Talk:Twili

Is it possible the Twili are the Gerudo, transformed after OoT, when Ganon is banished to the Sacred Realm? Is there any place that says this, or confirms it?

The Twili are most likely from long before ocarina of Time. Also Midna is the only female Twili we ever see. It is totally impossible. Just because the Gerudos are absent in Twilight princess doesnt mean they are not still around. This article really needs pictures of actual TWILI.

Pleaaaaaasseee someone find a pictureeee of some twili!!! Ive looked all over, i just cant find one.


 * Okay I like how you point out that Minda is the only female Twili we see. This could mean that Twili are based off a opposite system of the Geurodoes where in only one female is born every blah blah years. This is total theory. Cloakblade 02:03, 14 July 2007 (PDT)

I think that google image search would be you're best bet, but I could give you some of my screenshots that i found. I'm not exactly sure why, but the website won't let me put in on an article. --Claire 01:58, 29 December 2007 (EST)

Personally, I think that the Gerudo ARE the Twili. Why do you think that the Twili were banished before Ocarina? it's already been stated and more-so proven that games such as The Minish Cap, Fourswords & Fourswords Adventures came before Ocarina, when Ganon wasn't even an enemy or mentioned at all. In games when Hyrule was complete, as we all know after Ocarina of Time, things get a little messy and evolved in terms of character and also plot. The Gerudo aren't in Twilight Princess, the mirror of the Twight is in their own land, at least Midna herself has Gingery/Orange hair, as do the Gerudo, and she also states

"You want to know why none would call you king? It was your eyes, Zant. All saw it, a lust for power burning in your pupils... Did you think we'd forget our ancestors who lost their king to such greed?"

Her ancestors, the Gerudo, lost their King; Ganon (King of the Gerudo) to greed. Because of the events of Ocarina, and the fact that even though he was given a second chance due to the reset timeline, he still tried to gain power, and was lost or "trapped" in the Twilight realm; along with the Twilight, his own lost race of people. However, that still means there are some mess-ups. Why are the Twilight reffered to as Magic users? They are aren't they? And were the Gerudo? I'm not too sure, from all the reading, getting mixed up with Tribes and characters is pretty easy. Anyway, I still personally think they are. Twilight Princess is mirrored to The Wind Waker, which happened "hundreds of years" after Ocarina of Time, therefore, lots of changes could have occured. A lot can happen in over 100+ years, let alone hundreds. Tquinnathome1 18:07, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

When was it confirmed?
In this article it says that Ocarina of Time was "offically" put in the first slot of the timeline. I have nothing against this theory but ZeldaWiki must remain neurtal on Subjects like Timelines; so unless there is offical information that confirms this i would like that part to be deleted. Cloakblade 02:05, 14 July 2007 (PDT)

I think that we should set up a theory talk page. We can simply argue about theories all on one page!--Claire 01:59, 29 December 2007 (EST)

Twili clothes
We've all seen the twili in their normal forms. It occurred to me a little while ago that the dark patches on their skin aren't actually any pigmentation, but what the Twili wear for clothing: shadows. As fabric would be scarce (and immensily expensive) at best in the Twilight Realm, the twili must have used their shadow magic to weave them a "second skin" of shadows. Go and take a look at some of the twili. You can see some hair on their head, covered by that "shadow colth" almost like by a hood. And the reason why we've only seen Midna and Zant wearing Twili clothes? They're royalty. Midna has a simple robe (and a very sexy one at that), while Zant, true to his presumably vain nature, has a full outfit complete with armor.

I have this crazy theory. I think that somehow the twili are cross breeds of Hylians and Some type of spirit, meaning they're half spiritual beings. That a group of Hylians found the twilight realm but couldn't find there way back, and that they mated with some kind of shadow spirits native to the realm. if this theory is so crazy that you want to strangle me, tell me on my talk page.--Claire 01:53, 29 December 2007 (EST)


 * Well it's been confirmed by the story themselves that they were a species that were banished and they were deformed or whatever. So whatever species they were they never crossbreeded, just adapted to their new environment.--Green 03:34, 29 December 2007 (EST)

That can slightly relate to what I meant, but I guess i'd rather be proved wrong by you than some know-it-all-jerk. Thanx.--Claire 10:33, 30 December 2007 (EST)

I agree with the person who said the Twili used shadows as their clothing. If they didn't, wouldn't Twilight Princess have been rated M or worse? After all, if the dark patches were skin, Midna didn't wear anything throughout the game. I think this theory should be added to the article. If other people agree with the theory, I'll add it.--Link hero of light 16:01, 16 February 2008 (EST)

Images
Could someone find a bigger, better version of the Zant image on this page (Unmasked zant.jpg), in about the same aspect ratio, but bigger and better quality? Also, we should switch the Minda and Zant images places on this page. The Midna image is too big a spoiler to have at the top of the page. Right now it is like: "Spoiler warning! Oops... Too late. You've just seen the biggest spoiler on the page. Oh ,well." That is not a good thing. 17:10, August 13, 2008 (UTC) I am so glad that the first time I saw Minda's true form was in the end of the game itself! I was determined not to look up anything on Twilight Princess on the internet, or in a strategy guide, until I beat the game, and I succeeded. The first time I opened my prima guide for the game was three days after I beat it.


 * Old post, but still, I second the part about the Midna image. In fact, since that's already a part of Midna's gallery, I think it can be taken off this page completely and replaced by an image of one of those generic Twili people outside the Palace of Twilight (I'm actually amazed there are no images of them here). Jimbo Jambo 07:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Dang it, I thought we'd taken care of this (or maybe I'm thinking about the Midna article). I'll try to get a picture tomorrow. 03:01, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hope nobody minds, but honestly I think this article is better off with no image in the meantime.... I thought of replacing it with the one of the corrupted Twili, but I dunno, it's kind of low-quality and doesn't accurately represent the race. If someone else disagrees then they can use it instead, but...I just needed to get rid of the Midna image. It's been there waaay too long. Jimbo Jambo 19:21, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, the Midna image needed to go. No, the corrupted Twili shouldn't be the main image, as they aren't representative of true Twili appearance. Matt, yes in an ideal world a bigger image would be nice, but I don't see any specific issue with it. So I put it at the top. 20:22, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that one might also be kind of spoilery, though not nearly as much as Midna, so...eh. We still do need another image though. Jimbo Jambo 20:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Height
I've seen a lot of quotes like this around the site: "They also have oval, yellow eyes and are (usually) quite thin as well as much taller than Hylians. Midna stood no less than than a full head above Link"

Link's not exactly the tallest guy in the world. In most games he's not even fully grown yet. What is, he, 16, in Twilight Princess?

--Rootbeer277 14:46, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Interloper Conflict : Sacred Realm vs Hyrule
Just pointing out that Jumbie, from LA, translated Lanayru vision.

Bolded part = Japanese version and Jumbie's translation.

混沌とし何もない世界に神々は　降臨し生命と秩序を造られ

The goddesses descended to the world of chaos where there was nothing at all, and created life and order.

When all was chaos, the goddesses descended and gave order and life to the world.

そして、全ての者達に平等に力を与え　天へお戻りになられた

And after granting power equally to all people, they returned to the heavens.

They granted power equally to all who dwelt in the light, and then returned to the heavens.

神々が最初に降り立った地は聖地と呼ばれ

The place where the goddesses first landed is called the holy land.

The lands where the goddesses descended came to be known as the Sacred Realm.

世界は長きにわたり信心深い者達の心で平安であった…

For a long time, the world was at peace, with people's hearts being deeply faithful…

For ages, the people lived at ease, content in mind and body…

しかし、やがて聖地ハイラルを巡り争いが起こった

But at length, a rivalry ensued over Hyrule, the holy land.

But soon, word of the Sacred Realm spread through Hyrule, and a great battle ensued…

人々の中に、魔術に長けた者達が現れ

In the midst of the people, persons who excelled at magic appeared.

Among those living in the light, interlopers who excelled at magic appeared.

強力な魔力によって聖地を治めようとした

With powerful sorcery, they tried to rule the holy land.

Wielding powerful sorcery, they tried to establish dominion over the Sacred Realm.

しかし、神は我ら光の精霊を遣わし　その者達の巨大なる魔力を封じこませたのだ

But the goddesses sent us light spirits to seal away the gigantic magic of those people.

It was then that the goddesses ordered us three light spirits to intervene. We sealed away the great magic those individuals had mastered.

そして、その魔力こそが　黒き力・・・影の結晶石である

And that very sorcery is the black power… the Crystal Stone of Shadow.

You know this magic… It is the dark power you seek…the Fused Shadow.

"Jumbie- In a most tricky sentence, there is no "word of" the Sacred Realm spreading at all. Although 聖地 is also the Japanese name of the SR, it literally means "sacred/holy land", which here (and throughout TP) is given as a description of Hyrule instead. The great battle is specifically a rivalry, so accordingly, what NoA translated as "through Hyrule" should better be "over Hyrule". So it was a rivalry over the holy land that is Hyrule."

So while the Twili could have been fighting to gain the Triforce(as some would believe), it could have been that they have just been fighting to gain control of Hyrule itself.
 * Nice observation, there, however, one could make a similar argument about the discrepancies between "Fused" and "Crystal Stone" and the differences between them. The thing is that we are an English wiki, and we go by the English version of things, first and foremost. We still take the two cents of the Japanese translation, but don't analyze it for meaning as we do the English wording seen in the games. 17:57, 18 June 2010 (UTC)