Talk:Human

Okay, in the recent games what was classically referred to humans and the race Hylians were universally described as "Human". So it's clear this shouldn't be considered a fanon name anymore. It's clearly official. However this includes all Human races, not just the ones with round ears. So we will have to sort this out on this page. 21:36, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

Why aren't humans in the list of races of the Zelda Universe? Kdman64 23:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Is there any real lore to support a distinction between humans and what this wiki considers hylians? Or was this just a creative distinction made by some user(s) of this wiki? Seems like creative speculation misleadingly presented as factual canon. In Twilight Princess, members of Hyrule's predominant race, pointed and round eared, are all referred to as "humans", even Link. While the term "Hylian" comes up as well, it appears the two terms are used interchangeably. --Goomboy 02:19, 15 December 2011 (EST)
 * "Human" has also been used to refer to Sheikah and Gerudo. I believe there are other trives that it includes, but I can't remember them at the moment. However, the Wind Tribe is talked about as distinct from humans.
 * In any case, this article is not only fanon, but it contradicts canon. That's pretty unacceptable; we shouldn't be documenting and giving playtime to fanon ideas that are explicitly wrong. Does the Zelda encyclopedia give a name to the non-pointy tribe? For all we know, they are simply something like "Low Hylians".KrytenKoro 09:57, 15 December 2011 (EST)


 * Or that the non-pointy ears are simply Hylians that have a different-shaped ears, just in the same way people of the same ethnicity or tribe can and do still have different features. The round-eared people, unlike other tribes that you mentioned like Gerudo and Sheikah, don't seem to have any very specific differences from Hylians (eg. Gerudo are mostly female and are darker skinned, Sheikah are a special guardian race with a connection to the Goddesses.) Howeverm that is only my speculation, we don't have conclusive proof one way or the other that the round-eared are Hylians or not, and I agree that fanon, especially if it contradicts the lore, isn't really kosher for wiki content.  If it doesn't contradict, and is at least under a speculation tab, that is different.


 * What you said about humans makes sense. Ultimately, I think "Human" page should really just list and point to the various tribe articles of canon tribes that we actually know, Hylian, Gerudo and so fourth, perhaps in a trivia section of the human page, it can be listed that there are some round-eared humans in the games, and it is unknown what tribe they belong to or if they are their own tribe, as opposed to trying to categorize or name them, without the proper lore to back it up.--Goomboy 11:25, 15 December 2011 (EST)


 * It seems at least a few pages on this wiki follow the contradicted "humans are the round-eared ones" dogma, if I want to go about changing this by editing the various pages, do I need to run it by anyone on some main discussion page? If not, but I still need to provide my argument, do I need to post the same thing in the discussion page of every article I edit?--Goomboy 12:52, 15 December 2011 (EST)


 * Just because they're unclassified doesn't mean they should be discarded. They're still humans. I agree with everything else, though. And yeah, all you have to do is bring it up at Hyrule Castle... which you've already done. 18:25, 17 December 2011 (EST)


 * Updated the article so that it now covers the term "human" as it is presented in canon as opposed to fanon. Round-eared humans haven't been forgotten and get full description on this page, just appropriately haven't been classified as they have received no official designation in canon.  I know this is a rather drastic change, and I am sure there will be subsequent edits and discussion, but I hope this is a step in the right direction for this wiki page.--Goomboy 03:53, 22 December 2011 (EST)


 * I think it's more than just that. You did a fantastic job. Really, one could not have asked for much better. :)
 * The only gripe I had with it is the lack of references. As you may have noticed, we're pretty anal about that here. I went ahead and added some. Also, where is it mentioned that the Wind Tribe is specifically not human? 20:35, 22 December 2011 (EST)


 * Apologies about the citations, I will be sure to be more careful about that in the future, and thank you for adding some. I'm glad you approve of the changes though. :)  I hope my changes aren't too controversial, but I do think that this is a more logical treatment of the subject of "humans", based on what we do and don't know about them.
 * As for the Wind Tribe, I do remember dialog of a Wind Tribe member implying humans as being a separate and distinct party from themselves, but perhaps I shouldn't have been so quick to write that section just from memory. I'll try my best to find it, but in the meantime if you think it doesn't belong there, we can change it, and then change it back later when I find said dialog. Cheers.--Goomboy 22:05, 22 December 2011 (EST)