User talk:Xizor1429@legacy41958224

Hello
And yes, I (Read: Everyone) would probably like to add to add you to the ZW.org Callaboration :D 12:12, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi there, and welcome! I was just wondering, whether you guys might be interested in Becoming a Part of Zelda Wiki.org? --Adam (talk) 02:37, 15 January 2008 (EST)

Welcome
I never gave any welcome, so thought I'd just welcome you and LegendOfZelda.com to Zelda Wiki. I made an announcement on the Main Page and Castle Town of that too. Enjoy editing, and LoZ.com should be a great help to this project. Cheers. 09:05, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

A Task
This should be simple enough for you, since you made a lot of the LoZ.com pages. Two wanted pages "Webmaster (LoZ.com)" and "Administrator (LoZ.com)" have not been made yet. I know nothing about LoZ.com, so could you made these pages for me? I am trying to keep the Wanted Pages page atleast (semi) clean. Thanks, 18:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I should be able to do that. I was hoping someone else on my site would do it, but at this point it seems fairly obvious they will not. I will try to take care of it by the end of the week. =] Thanks! --Xizor 04:33, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Both are done, and I can't find any other red links on any LoZ.com pages. Let me know if any show up that remain untended for a while. -- Xizor 07:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Zelda Temple
I respect you for making changes on pages, but there is a reason that I want Zelda Temple's page protected. Please in the future, do not change the page unless you tell me so. I don't want to see a ton of different edits by the other Wiki Staff without permission from me. 14:10, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * No offense intended, but LoZ.com's page was once the subject of intense scrutiny, a page I put my own heart and soul into making, because certain lines and passages were not up to the standards of the Wiki. That was before we were a part of the project, but especially now, I would welcome anybody making that page better. If I don't like a change, I can simply reverse it. This is a public Wiki, and as such and as an Administrator of that Wiki, if I view something in need of improvement, I will improve it. If you disagree with said improvement, you are of course welcome to reverse it; I won't engage in any kind of edit war. However, I do not appreciate the attitude of "It's my page and if you want to touch it, ask me first" because that's not how the wiki works. I'm sorry if that's a problem for you. -- Xizor 21:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Sacred Realm
Hey Xizor, I have an issue I'd like to ask you about: Adam has recently locked the Sacred Realm page citing an edit war, only there was no edit war at all. He also reverted all the work that I'd been doing to rewrite the page and improve it, and I was not yet done with it either. He has locked the page and there's no way for us to continue work on it, and all the work that I'd done thus far was reverted by him to its previous, insufficient form. Can you please unlock the page so we can continue work on it or give us an explanation of why a page block is necessary? I see no reason for one, nor did anyone else obviously. Dany and I in reality were in agreement that some of what I'd written could be pared down to be more specific, and I even had plans to do so today. Adam has refused to be reasonable about it though, despite my attempts to talk to him about it and explain it. I just didn't have the time to finish up work on it yesterday and had to stop for the evening, so I didn't get to see Dany's comments. And Adam gave me no chance to respond to them to state that I was in agreement and had planned to do just that today. So can you please help remove the lock from the page so Dany, me, and whoever else would like to help with the article can actually do so? Link87 12:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll look at the page, as well as talk to Adam, and figure out what's going and I'll get back to you. I have to go to school right now though so it'll be much later today. -- Xizor 14:35, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * That's fine man, I really appreciate it too. I have tried to talk to Adam, but he seems unwilling to listen to reason. I am glad that you can be of help here, and once again appreciate it very much. Have a good day at school and enjoy it while you can, it goes by fast. ;) Link87 14:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Administor help needed
Hello. I am currently working on a page about the BMB movie, Hero of Time, and I need to know how to find the contents template (or is it even a template?). I may have already found out what it is before you respond, but it still is important for me to know. If you could tell me what it is dear fellow Zelda Wikiest, I'd be extremly thankful. smashbrother101 15:00, 25 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The way that it works is that once you have a certain amount of headings, it will show up. I think it usually happens after three. For instance, if all I had on my page was "Administor help needed" I would not have a contents section. However, as I have six headings, it forms the "Contents" section for me. =] There is no way to automatically do it, as far as I'm aware. -- Xizor 21:23, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I hate butting in to other people's talk page but, yes you can force it with . It'll place it on the right hand side, but it'll be there. 04:20, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, no worries. I learned something new today. =P -- Xizor 07:03, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Now I actually have another question on my mind. It's about designing my user page. How do you get that box around your personal templates. Generally, I'd just go to a page with that on it (in this case, a user's page) and just copy what I think it could be. However, I could not do that because I believe that that's generally not tollerated or that it might make me look like I'm doing something bad. Either way, I'd end up with a banning. So yeah what is it anyway? smashbrother101 12:44, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Re:Hyrule page
First, you're goofy if you think this can all be done in just a short amount of time. This is a long process that has to be done carefully to meet standards, and you cannot rush us in this effort, it's a lot of work for just a couple of people to do. Do you even have any idea what article we're talking about??? It's HYRULE! The place where over 80% of the series takes place, of course it's going to be long, and if you think for one second it's going to be short you're kidding yourself. Zeldapedia's got a long one themselves, but by nature it's going to be one of the longest articles on the wiki, I would hope someone in your position would have realized that long ago. We will be working to make things detailed and yet concise, but you've got to be reasonable here, and everything you just said is not even close to that.

Second, I'm even more amazed at the lack of thought in your first statements: how can we cut down anything when you take it upon yourself to just wipe it?? That's an oxymoron and makes no sense whatsoever, so I'd be more careful about what you say if I were you.

Third, we're doing a heck of a much better job here than you or anyone else that's been complaining about has, you haven't done anything period. And if you don't like the way we're doing it, then as I told the other complainers, do it yourself. If you're not doing anything to help in the construction however, I must contest your "right" to criticize anything about what we do in the development of the article. We'd greatly welcome your assistance in actually building the article, not tearing it down though. :

Actually Xizor, it's you admins and bureaucrats that should step aside and let us that are actually doing work do just that, work. You've been happy up to this point to just kick back and not do a thing with this article at all for over a year, and you say to fix it up "as we see fit", yet you criticize and are picky about what you want. And let me tell you, what you want and what some of the other admins want are two different things. I've been getting requests that they actually be more detailed. I understand what you're saying, and it's an excellent idea to focus solely on how the plots of the games affect Hyrule itself, but for God's sake don't get in our way until we're done and we can all discuss what we want to edit out together. You act as if you've actually been doing something to help with it when you haven't, just like some of the others I'm sure you're talking about, they're the same open-mouth-insert-footers that tried to criticize me but backed off when I told them that if they didn't like it to do it themselves. I don't see any of you doing anything to help those of us that are actually working on it but complain and get in the way, so if that's all you're going to do rather than actually help us with it, then get out of our way and let us do our job. You've let this article sit for over a year, and you're just now showing interest in it when someone is actually doing something with it. It will be quality, so I will thank you not to criticize its quality before it's complete. And just because you're an admin doesn't give you the right to abuse those powers either, nor does it to the others that have been all-talk-no-do. I respect all of you and have nothing against any of you, but for you to criticize us for actually working on this when it's been sitting for over a year with no work on you guys' part smacks of hypocrisy. Link87 13:24, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * This has completely gotten out of hand. First and foremost, I can tell with your attitude that you are all happy and go lucky when you are complimented and defended (mostly by Dany), yet when others come around to give you constructive criticism, you shove it back in their faces. We, or at least I, appreciate that you are helping this page, however, Xizor is correct in saying that the information given in the appearance section have nothing to do with the page, rather just give synopsis of each game. It seems to me you only listen to those who share the same opinion with you, such as Axiomist, but you need to understand is that he is not the only administrator here. I'll also tell you that calling the admins and bureaucrats is only going to make things worse for yourself, the other admins are already discussing temporarily banning you, because you refuse to cooperate. As for editing the pages our selves, we'd be more than happy to, except it appears that you undo any edits to the page anytime it's edited with something you disagree with. What you fail to realize is that this is not your wiki, it belongs to everyone, and insulting people like Xizor for not having edited the page is redundant. Him and his website haven't be a part of the collaboration since the beginning of the wiki's creation, you know? Infact, he's only been around for a few months. Like I said, I appreciate that you are helping this page, but filling it with longs strands of irrelevant info that you believe to be beneficial, defeats the purpose. 18:02, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually Steven, you have no right to ban someone if they have done nothing wrong, and there have been no rules broken, so you have no right to ban me for anything. I could turn you in to the proper wiki authorities for doing so too, for abuse of powers. I do not wish it to come to that however. I have been more than willing to "cooperate", you guys are the ones that have shown no willingness to negtotiate and have been very rude in turn. I respond positively to those who remain civil. Secondly, again, if you are not helping to write the thing, then you have no right to criticize or destruct the article if you have done nothing with it in over a year. I never once said it's "my" wiki, it's everyone's, but you on the other hand, along with the other open-mouth-insert-footers fail to realize that you have had nobody editing this article in over a year, and given what you just said, if you've been here "since the beginning" or even for just the past year, why then have you not done anything with it in all this time????? We are working on condensing things, but you have given us no chance to do so without spouting off prematurely and complaining like a bunch of crybabies, and yes I will say what I feel in that regard. This is a free country, and I do have freedom of speech. Ganondorfdude11 and I are both trying our best to rewrite a MAMMOTH article that you have done nothing to help us with but complain. I only revert things that are irrelevant or add nothing to the article as far as style or substance go, so don't even start with me about that. And if there are two cliques of admins with differing wishes for the article, take it up with them and not we that are actually doing the gruntwork here. And you had your chance to do something with this article for over a year, all of you did, and yet you have the audacity to say that you'd "love to work on it if not for you (me)", HA!! We'd just love to have help with this monster of an article, you've offered no help at all and never had any intention of doing anything with this article at all, otherwise you would have done so LONG AGO! Link87 18:20, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * See? I knew exactly that it was going to come to this. First of all, I said the other admins, I do agree that you haven't done anything that bad to deserve it. This is your attitude getting the best of you, and you flame against anyone who stands in your way. At this point, I'm starting to doubt that you are as old as you claim to be, you mean to tell me that you're 21 and you are acting this immature? Have you ever gotten a job? Because if you have, you mean to tell me you act this way towards your manager? You tell them to "F*** off, I'll do what I want!"? I sure wouldn't think so. I am well aware that you never said that it is your wiki, but you have implied it numerous times. This is a free country? This is the internet buddy, which as far as I remember, is not a country. At this point, you're immaturity is becoming quite annoying, even to me. 18:37, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, I'm 22 years old thank you very much, and my managers at my job dearly love me. I've been to college and know what the working world is really like. They are polite to me and I am to them in turn. You, the 17-year-olds, have a lot to learn about that it seems. If you would just show some respect and appreciation once in a while, you'd get better results out of those of us that are regular users. And you have still failed to answer any of the things I have said above, and why?? Because you know I'm right. I want to befriend all of you and to work with all of you, but you have to be willing to work with all of us too, and remember your own words: the wiki doesn't solely belong to the admins either. At least Axiomist and Dany realize that and are very nice and pleasant to work with. And if you paid attention, I even took what Xizor said into account and reduced the amount of info on some of the sections in the article because I agreed that would be a good idea to do it, but obviously you're talking before looking. I am open to all kinds of suggestions and welcome them, provided they are polite and constructive, not a bunch of whining, complaining and threatening. Link87 18:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * If you don't act this way at your job, then don't act like this here. We have a lot to learn? We've been here less time than you, and know more about the wiki's policy than you. Also I don't recall you saying anything but sophisticated synonyms from your previous statements, and you've also failed to keep this on a single page, as well. I also fail to see how you're willing to work with us and be friends us, we've tried that and you've insulted us for not having the same visions that you've had, so excuse us. We're also aware that this isn't our wiki either, but in case you haven't noticed, you're the only member that we've had to have this argument with.18:49, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * If you want respect, THEN SHOW IT!!! That's the lesson you need to learn, and if it's from me, that's just fine. You obviously don't know enough about policy to know when you're overstepping your bounds, b/c it's not in your power to abuse your powers merely for personal retribution, which is strictly prohibited for any wiki admin or bureaucrat. And I'm the only one having this conversation with you guys, maybe because I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT'S BEEN EDITING IT!! You haven't had anyone else editing these ones I've worked on, yet you act like you've had thousands. And actually, I signed up for this wiki some time ago but didn't get on much b/c I had college to go to, you know that thing we all go to after high school??? Afterward, when my schedule was a little more free, I came back to help get things moving on updating and improving things. It's not wise on your part of the part of your colleagues to insult and threaten the few users you have actually willing to do the gruntwork for these articles when you yourselves (who have been on the wiki for a while yourselves) have not done anything and have not offered it either. Bottom line: You all want respect, then learn to show it in return. You might surprise yourselves. Link87 18:54, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Interesting, since I was thinking the same thing about you, that you need to show respect to people like Xizor, and other members. You're the only one editing it? I beg to differ, you've even said Ganondorfdude11 has been helping, yet again you imply that the article is yours. I'll also inform you Hyrule is not the only article here, we've helped out many other articles, how dare you accuse ANYONE of doing nothing, that is rude and disrespectful. 18:59, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually HOW DARE YOU threaten and belittle the one person that's shown ANY interest in these articles that I've been working on, when records show none of you have done anything with them in months or even years???? That is truly rude and disrespectful. And if you want people to come here and help you guys work on them, you yourselves need to actually EARN that respect, it's not to be taken for granted. That's something you'll learn as you go through life, but then again you're not out of high school yet so you have yet to learn that. I know, I was the same way once, but college actually changes all that as does the real world. And tell me, if you've done so much with the articles actually writing them, then why are there HUNDREDS of them that have the improvement label on them and some have been sitting here for months or years. If you want respect, then you EARN it. I'm more than willing to be polite and gracious to those who show it to me, and I will tolerate no disrespect toward me in turn. Link87 19:31, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * How have I threatened you? Honestly, this is becoming very repetitive.I also never said we worked on the Hyrule articles, we didn't, I'm refering to other articles. Just as we need to earn your respect, you need to earn ours, and insulting others is not going to get you very far at all. And you insulting people about there age is just plain stupid, age does not equal knowledge, because you have yet to learn anything of respect, or common decency. You only care about the positive compliments you get, and not the constructive criticism. That is something you should have learned far beyond graduating high school. Why are there hundred labeled that? Maybe because there are FAR more articles than just a few hundred, how about you stop accusing people about having done nothing, and actually look at our contributions. I am certainly not being disrespectful to you, but I'm trying to get this into some sort of agreement, and you insistingly bring up that you are the only one that does anything around here, and that we all fail at life. Also, most of us actually aren't in high school. Axiomist, Matt, and Adam are past that, so don't go around assuming things either. 19:41, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't care how old you are, whether you're 10 or 100, you still have to earn respect. I am more than willing to listen to your suggestions, if you would only stop presenting them in a disrespectful manner and just be like "Hey man, I just thought I'd ask you if you could do such and such please" or "Hey man, I have a suggestion that could work out better and this is why, yatta yatta yatta". But no, it's "We've all talked about banning you" when you have no power to do so without just cause. All of you should stop threatening those of us that are doing work on these articles and actually start getting into it and working with us to make them better. Just because you become an admin doesn't mean your duties to help improve the articles end there. And if you want your contributions recognized, then stop demonizing those that belong to others. I have seen no efforts from any of you on the articles I've worked on, regardless of what ones you actually have. Those are the ones I'm talking about. I am willing to agree there should be mutual respect, and I want there to be that balance between us, but you have to be willing to meet me halfway. Link87 19:48, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to ignore what you've just said, and not even read it, because I don't like to argue, and I'd like to see positive progression from this. We need to stop debating over topics like age, and actually accomplish something here. We have decided (including Axiomist), that all we want for the appearance sections are brief descriptions of Hyrule's appearance and how it changes between each game, not a synopsis. 19:52, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Well what you want and what you get are two different things. If you actually read the article thus far, you'd see that those I've been rewriting have been just that, but once again you seem to be talking before looking or thinking. They have been shortened with one paragraph telling about the changes of Hyrule and one paragraph telling about how the story affects Hyrule, and that is as far as I have been planning to shorten them. I cut them in half size-wise, so you can't expect much more than that. And if you refuse to show respect by reading what I said (I even agreed we should have mutual respect), then you forfeit any and all relevance with me. Now if you will actually present your suggestions in a respectful way and remain civil, you'll find me much more agreeable and willing to work with you. If not, then as I said, then you are responsible for the consequences. I am very close to quitting the whole thing as it is and letting it sit for another year, and let you see where that gets you. But I am willing to listen to you and take your suggestions into consideration if you will refrain from approaching me disrespectfully. If you ignore me, then I am going to ignore any and all you say as well. But if you will compromise and actually work with those of us doing the work to the article rather than against us, we could get a lot accomplished. Link87 20:02, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry, that was my bad wording, I mean what the policy calls for. Yes that's fine, if you cut them down later that's quite alright. The problem here is not the length, though, it's the information itself. Also I didn't read what you said, not out of disrespect, but because it's only going to spark my emotions further, and it would have continued that argument further. Honestly, if you feel that way about leaving, so be it, that's your decision. I'm all open to hear what you have to say about the article, but nothing referring to that previous argument, I don't want to see that happen again. Sorry, though, I am confused here, "us"? 20:09, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Chill. That's quite enough of this. This is not a forum or your IM client. The recent changes should not be half filled with edits on this talk page. Take a break. Xizor, I'm protecting this page temporarily to avoid further issues. Please unprotect it whenever you like. --Yumil 20:15, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Yumil. I'll be brief.

Link87, you fail to understand that this is a private website where we are in charge. We answer to nobody but ourselves, and if we want you banned from our website, that is much more than simply our ability, but our right and if we so choose you fail to fit in here, we can remove you at will and you can do nothing about it. I think that it would be a mistake, as for the most part you are an excellent editor, but let us have no misconceptions about our ability to ban you should we choose to.

Secondly, you are acting like, as Steve said, that the article is yours, and that you can simply compromise with us on its quality, and that is not the case. I will be honest: If the article contains too much synopsis, I will simply protect it and slash it down myself, because I have absolutely no problem doing it myself. However, instead of editing articles like you, when I browse the Wiki, I'm generally patrolling recent edits to make sure they are up to our Quality Standards and otherwise aren't vandalizing edits of pages that perhaps you have worked very hard on. What you think you know about our job and what you actually know are, quite obviously, two very different things. The reason we don't go around editing pages like you do is simple: look at your User Page. You have "project" pages, and out of 2,800 articles, 10 is not a lot. It's great, yes, but not a lot. We, however, have to worry about all 2,800 articles, and for the most part, we are making sure they all get marked correctly and perhaps even fixed if it's not a gargantuan problem, so that those of you with the time and passion to edit one article like it's your baby can come along and do so.

Do not dare criticize the work we do, because if we did not do it, this wiki would be utter garbage. I never once insulted the work you do or anything, but simply that you included completely irrelevant information on a page, and that is my JOB here. The amount of edits I've made is very little to do with my contributions to this Wiki, because I could work on one paragraph and turn it in to 50 edits if I wanted to, and if I did that on 5 pages, why, I could double my edit count in 10 minutes! ;-)

Please, get over yourself. In no way are you in charge here, so do not presume to tell anybody what to do. I don't like getting nasty, but cluttering up my talk page like this and showing such disrespect to Steve, myself, and almost every other Admin and Bureaucrat here is unacceptable, and I've gone from liking you to merely tolerating you because you're a good editor. Maybe someday that'll change. --Xizor 22:16, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I beg your pardon Xizor, I meant no true offense to you. However, realize that your powers have limits, and it is strictly prohibited to threaten retribution of blocking users simply for personal reasons, and could result in the loss of your status as admin. So no, you have no power to block anyone without just cause, so please keep that in mind. Doing so could result in you being reported to the proper wiki authorities for abuse of power. I have never once said this is my wiki, but realize that it's not solely yours either, and that your rights go only so far. As I told Steve, if you want respect, you earn it. I am more than willing to be agreeable and reasonable with those who are agreeable and reasonable in return. Asking us to have all that work done in a few days and threatening are neither of those. Also, we're both guilty of misunderstanding here, so I would suggest we forget this pointless arguing and move on. I would like to establish a mutual respect between us all where we can work together for the benefit of the wiki and include everyone in the development of the articles, whether that be Hyrule or any article for that matter.


 * On the other hand, I would like to extend my apologies to you for things getting blown way out of proportion. However, as Steve and I came to the conclusion together yesterday, we have resolved the issue and have finally developed a template for each appearance section that will satisfy everyone, with one paragraph detailing geographical changes/additions/subtractions to Hyrule in that particular game as well as new precedents set, and the second paragraph detailing the parts of the story that affect Hyrule and its development as a plot device. I am told that would be satisfactory to the admin council, so I am hoping you too will agree with the new format. It is designed to be to-the-point yet detailed and at the same time control the number of paragraphs or size of each section. Once each section is complete and each picture of Hyrule is inserted into each, we can get rid of the gallery section below. I hope this is satisfactory to you, as Steve said most others are in favor of it himself. Link87 16:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)