Talk:Princess Ruto

Changes
Deleted the second statement about Ruto Town because it was pointless.

Also the Rito thing because in order to assure such thing we would require to know the etymology of "Rito" which we absolutely can't (and whether it is a Hylian word or a Zora word). Saying it may come from Ruto just because they differ only on a single letter it's like saying "raw" comes from "row".

And all that stuff about the Sages of "Twilight Princess" is plainly stupid. Apart from the facts they all look like decrepit geezers and that we don't know when is the story placed on the timeline, they all talked about how surprised they were when they found out that not only they couldn't kill Ganondorf but that he possessed the Triforce of Power. Excuse me the sheet? Are you telling me the "Ocarina of Time" Sages didn't know that Ganondorf had the Triforce of Power and therefore was immortal? --The CronoLink 18 Feb 2007


 * Yuo guys are bieng jerks for no reason.--Eponasowner 29 December 2007

Agreed. Calibure 16:28, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Question
Since link gets older, and I'm just guessing that this is before Twilight Princess, how much time passes from his latest adventure when hes an adult and TP? One would only figure that they would have gotten married eventually. How old is Link in TP anyway? --Swords4life44


 * You're forgetting about the whole issue of Link being in Termina. It's just been guessed (politely, that is) that he eventually returned to Hyrule but this is never stated decisively so we don't really know.


 * Also it's never stated when is TP placed on the chronology. We vaguely know that is between OoT and TWW but not exactly. It was said that TP was decades after OoT so I'm guessing the maximum for this is a 100 years after OoT. --The CronoLink


 * I'm pretty sure that he comes back from termina. At the ending scene of MM, it snows wat looks like link back in the lost woods. --Eponasowner 29 December 2007


 * "it snows wat looks like link back" - Forgiving me for having a good laugh about that typo. :) The point is, even if he indeed returned to the Lost Woods, that does not mean he returned to Hyrule. He still didn't find that "friend" of his and for all we know, he continued on to other lands.IfIHaveTo 02:30, 29 December 2007 (EST)

As a kid, Ruto's really a big snot.

Princess or not?
Kay, I know she's a princess, but...isn't it more appropriate for the article to be simply "Ruto", the same way that most encyclopedias list the name first, title second...but is the title at all necessary? She's rarely referred to as "Princess Ruto", unlike "Princess Zelda". Or is it simply for clarification between Ruto Town and the Zora? Saibh 21:45, 20 March 2008 (EDT)


 * Actually, if you take a look at a text dump I think you might be surprised... A quick count gave me 18 instances of Princess (e.g "Princess Ruto", "Ruto, Princess of..." etc) and only 4 instances of Ruto alone. Also, I'd say the differentiation between the Princess and Ruto Town. The other alternative would be a disambig at Ruto, and renaming this to Ruto (Princess), which doesn't sound too great to me. —Adam (talk) 06:48, 21 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Really? Wow, I need to go play that game again. Alright then. Saibh 15:17, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

Ruto is Inappropriate
I think ruto should have had some kind of shirt her father does and her fan art is sometimes a little sickening it really insults the game. --ZeldaGirl101 19:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It would be better not to place such comments on the site. But that is a known issue. It was addressed by the developers eight years ago. For Majora's Mask, Ruto's alternate, Lulu, has clothes. Right now the art on the article is the official art.--Matt 23:40, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Ruto Queen
Does anyone have any info on what Ruto did after link left the future?(Robeluke 22:27, 22 July 2008 (UTC)).


 * The only thing anyone knows about that is what we're told in later games like Twilight Princess: That Ganondorf was found out and executed. None of the other characters' fates have been talked about. There might be something in Ocarina of Time's credits sequence, but it's been I while since I've seen it. 23:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Move
This has already been suggested once. It is time we do it. The reason that the article about Zelda is Princess Zelda is obvious. It is to differentiate her from the series. But Ruto does not have that problem. Therefore, the her title is, as my English teacher would always put things like this, extra-added-info that is not necessary to identify the person. So we can shorten up this article's title. Do we add the titles to the page names of all the boss pages, or to Ganon's, or Link's? No, that would just be silly. Ruto's title is not required for her identification, so by the style of the other pages, this page must be moved. 22:50, July 30, 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I don't like the idea of that.


 * Whenever I think of this girl, it's PRINCESS Ruto that comes to mind, never just Ruto by itself. Besides, as far as I can remember, the only character to not call her Princess Ruto is King Zora, which is understandable.


 * Now, if, say, Bongo Bongo was constantly called Phantom Shadow Beast Bongo Bongo, then that may just be what title he/it would go under on the Wiki. But, no, he/it isn't, and so it's left as Bongo Bongo.


 * So, if she is consistently called Princess Ruto, then that is how the page should stay. In my eyes, Ruto should redirect there, not the other way around. --Felicia's Champion 08:17, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You're forgetting that "Princess" is not a name. It is a title. We do not include titles in the page name unless there is no other choice. With Princess Zelda, there was no choice. Ruto herself calls herself "Ruto" (Princess_Ruto,Princess_Ruto). Remember that "Ruto, Princess of the Zora" is not the same as "Princess Ruto". The word "Princess" does not help at all with determining who she is. There is only one person named Ruto in the whole series. My old English teacher would knock down our grades on our papers if we would ever do something like that. It is completely unnecessary. 16:34, August 9, 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I'm not forgetting that. I'm very aware that few people have the word princess in their actual name.


 * The problem I have, is (apart from above), that Princess Ruto sounds better than just Ruto. Besides, Ruto is already a disambiguation page...


 * --Felicia's Champion 00:08, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Why are we discussing this again? Look above and you'll see definitive in-game support for the page title. Also, Yuvorias' points about the disambig page is another very compelling reason. Any move would have to be to Ruto (Princess) or Ruto (person), which just sounds dumb. 12:20, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Adam, I know full well about the above section. Look more closely at my first sentence in this section. That in-game support is not definitive. It is just the characters being polite. Look at Ruto's letter. She obviously thinks her name is just Ruto. How dare you try to tell us that her name is not what she says it is? You can try to call me Matthew, but I won't respond. Because I don't consider that to be my name. I still assert that it is more encyclopedic to have it be just Ruto. We don't need a disambig page to tell the difference between the princess and the town. It isn't that hard. Take a look at Rope. See the message at the top? Simple, easy, and efficient. We cannot discriminate between the titles of the characters. If we don't move this page. Then we'll have to move every single boss that has a title to include the title in the name. That will never happen. It is not that hard to have the title and name bolded at the beginning of the article. We need to keep our standards up. 21:48, November 15, 2008 (UTC)

Information??
Is there any information on what happened to Princess Ruto when you meet her in the Water Temple? Because she says to follow her, then you don't see her until after the Dungeon. Was she supposed to be a more important part of the Temple but the creators took her out? Anyone have information on this? Roccie 19:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * More likely she was abducted and brought to Morpha and/or imprisoned by Morpha since she was the Sage-to-be. She was abducted by the forces of Barinade in Jabu-Jabu's Belly, so the same thing likely happened here too. The other Sages were all captives of the bosses of the temples too when you think about it: Saria was a captive of Phantom Ganon, Darunia went into Volvagia's chamber and wasn't seen again until Link defeated it, Impa wasn't seen again until Bongo Bongo was defeated and it was noted she had gone there to seal it again, and Nabooru we know for a fact was a captive of Twinrova. So Ruto likely was captured and taken captive by the forces inhabiting the Water Temple and became a prisoner of Morpha until Link killed it. Link87 20:18, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

It just seems different to me. Like, you didn't see Saria at all as an Adult until after the temple, and same with Impa. Darunia went to fight it on his own, so it's a good chance he got captured. But Ruto... we actually saw her and the game told us to follow her. I think it's really fishy the game would tell us "Follow me!" and then she'd disappear into a dead end. Because Darunia went into the boss room. Ruto just went upwards, you go upwards, dead end. Roccie 21:15, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Original Japanese Dialogue
Is any information on the original Japanese version relevant to articles on this wiki? According to a fan-made Zelda blog, a theory states that, according to the Japanese dialogue, Ruto was already killed by the time the player meets her in the Water Temple, and that what the player encounters is her spirit or ghost. The blog mentioned that some lines said Ruto was "regretful", and that Sheik allegedly reminds the player that Hyrule must also be saved for the sake of Princess Ruto. Adding to this theory is that when the player follows her as instructed, she disappears at a dead end and is never seen again until after the battle with Morpha.

The dialogue sounds similar to what I remember reading when I played OoT here in the US... although, in the English version, she spoke as though she was very much alive and well, in a rather determined and resolute present-tense, whereas the Japanese version apparently has Ruto speaking in more solemn past-tense. BTDT 01:29, 30 January 2011 (EST)


 * First, remember to sign with four tildes on a talk page =P. Secondly, we base our information on the English versions of the game, but you can add the Japanese differences in a Trivia section. In any case, it's doubtful that any of the sages actually die, they appear alive and kicking around the top of Death Mountain, at the end of the game. It's indeed a belief that they die due to their unfortunate events (Nabooru's, for example), but they still live. --User:K2L (User talk:K2L) 01:31, 30 January 2011 (EST)


 * Good point. I do recall that scene. Though, in the Japanese version, to awaken as Sages, it may have been required that the Sage-to-be has to physically lose their body, or be killed. It's a bit of a leap of faith to say, but if Ruto spoke with such solemn words, as well as Sheik allegedly telling to keep trying for Hyrule for Ruto's sake, it may be a possibility. Same can be said for Darunia, who challenged Volvagia without the Megaton Hammer, the weapon needed to defeat the dragon, and Darunnia's absence during the battle. I'm about to make another speculative statement, but given that Japanese media can be darker compared to Western equivalents, it may be very possible that the Sages were to be killed/relieved of their physical bodies in order to be freed and awakened as Sages. As for standing over Death Mountain, away from the celebration... I believe that may depend on how one interprets their ascension. If taken from the perspective that they were captured or retained within their temples, they are simply watching over the land. If viewed from the idea that they were killed, they are away from the celebration as some spirits would choose to be away from the living and observe from.


 * I am not saying these are 100% true. Far from it, I bring this up here to see if anyone can shed light on this? I'm trying as well, searching for the dialogue spoken in the Japanese version... proving to be a little difficult, but I am searching. BTDT 19:21, 3 February 2011 (EST)
 * If you find dialogue differences between the versions, you can add them to the Trivia section of the article. It's not uncommon that the Japanese canon differs from that of the West. But again, it's doubtful that they die. I don't remember death happening to Medli or Makar in The Wind Waker, and yet they become Sages, and are seen alive at the end of that game. It's more likely that the OOT sages are simply imprisoned. -- 20:40, 3 February 2011 (EST)


 * Do any of you realise that, as a sage, Ruto may be able to alter her form from physical to spiritual and vice versa? GFlame (Talk) - Its good to be back! 01:33, 14 July 2011 (EDT)

Ruto's new image
We need an image of Ruto in OoT 3D. Most people agree that Ruto's current appearence is disgusting and "showy". A picture with a bit more censoring would be nice. Also: add captions. Dont forget to put the old picture in the Gallery! GFlame (Talk) - Its good to be back! 05:37, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
 * We really do. From the page; "Princess Ruto has been slightly redesigned to appear less naked - she wears either regal scales or a seamless dress." The wiki has no images showing either. If we only have (disgusting) official art, small in-game images, and fuzzy screenshots, we need more of the in-game images from . We have one, and that's of her child forme. I'll post this on the Image Request page if no one can find anything.  01:22, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not in favor of replacing all the OoT images with OoT3D ones, if that's what you mean. In fact, I don't really see the issue. There's nothing obscene showing in her images, so I don't see anything wrong with it. If you're just saying we need OoT3D images of her, then yes, I agree. 01:26, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm just saying we need images of her.  17:56, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


 * "Most agree that her current appearance is disgusting"? REALLY? Cite your sources. I think she looks great, and that's how she's always looked. She has boobs, get over it. For reference, official media that came with OoT3D in press material included that very image, she received no updated official art even thought they vaguely made an attempt to give her a weird "fishy bra" in the game, as if that makes any difference (she's still a naked fish girl, for heck's sake). Also, I don't see anyone complaining about Midna. Or Gorons. Or whatever.
 * All we need is a screenshot to throw in the gallery. That'll do. 19:46, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Hehe, Fizzle basically said what I was thinking without putting it as lightly as I did. Well done, Fizz. 19:58, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Umm... so should we update the page? If she's not seen wearing a "seamless dress" in that game?


 * PS: Midna is wearing clothing. Gorons are wearing clothing. My point was that Ruto isn't, and the official art is... anyway, I'm not insulting Ruto. I'm insulting her appearance.  23:16, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Midna does not wear much in the way of clothing, in fact her front is completely exposed, despite appearances (yes, the black area is part of her skin). And Rutela in Twilight Princess, like Ruto, is naked. All Zoras except for those in Majora's Mask are naked. Why must the females be clothed if none of the others are? There's nothing disgusting about it unless you think they're all disgusting for being a race that does not wear clothes in a fantasy setting. Or you find breasts disgusting. 23:39, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

I have nothing wrong with Ruto. I just find her official art a bit... exposing. But this conversation is getting... . I was asking about getting some images of her from, not complaining about Ruto's appearance. All I said was "If we only have (disgusting) official art, small in-game images, and fuzzy screenshots, we need more of the in-game images from ." I said one word... It's really not anything to fight about.

PS: Ruto is one of my favorite characters. Again, I was insulting the art, not her. 00:06, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I just get irritated when people use their personal opinions as a fact, that's all. Yes this is getting off topic, I'm well aware of that, perhaps people shouldn't of been throwing around obnoxious comments like that in the first place, whether you like the art or not is neither here nor there. Anyway, I wasn't trying to start an argument. My main beef was with GFlame anyway, not you.
 * That all over, unfortunately all the OoT 3D images of her I can find are of decidedly low quality. I mean, we could upload one but they are pretty poor at showing the difference. Perhaps I can take a decent photo, but that's difficult. 00:21, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The thing I said about the art was my opinion, and I realize that's really what I should have said.

That all over, I'm not saying this to anyone in particular, but PLEASE don't say "Ruto is inappropriate blah blah blah". We have THREE Off Topic templates on this page. Why? Talk pages are about the article. 00:42, 23 December 2012 (UTC)