Talk:Sacred Realm

This is a sad, sad article. This is a very important thing in the The Legend of Zelda universe. We can do better than this. I'll make a few starting points. We'll go from there. 22:23, July 27, 2008 (UTC)


 * I think this article is in a good enough condition now to merit the removal of the "In need of attention" marker on it. -- Xizor 21:41, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed several errors in grammar, awkward syntax, and also confused references between the Temple of Time and the Temple of Light. Any other improvements that can be made are, of course, most welcome. -- Xizor 21:55, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well what games was this discussed in? ALTTP, OOT, and TP come to mind for a moment, then the Dark World of FSA. 21:59, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Nearly a year later and it is finally starting to improve. It could use quite a bit more depth though. And expand on the fact that it is the Dark World. That is hardly a spoiler as it is clearly stated many times in the game usually before it is even called the Dark World. I would actually prefer that the two articles be merged as they are the same thing and it would not be a spoiler to merge. 22:04, June 8, 2009 (UTC)

ALttP Section
Is it just me, or is the ALttP section just purely a summary of the plot? I mean, I know it has a lot to do with the Sacred Realm, but this following paragraph is merely just fluff. We don't need a summary of the game, we need only things that are related to the Sacred Realm, whether it's references, appearances, or whatever. The section might need some clean-up, but that's just me. Thoughts on this?

This is the paragraph I'm talking about:

"Many centuries later, Ganon discovered a way to send part of his soul across the barrier between the two worlds to inhabit the body of a wizard named Agahnim, whom he then used to enact a scheme to break the seal of the Seven Sages. Under the guise of Agahnim, he came to Hyrule as though from nowhere and quelled many disasters that were besetting the kingdom using his magic. As a reward, Agahnim was allowed to take up residence in Hyrule Castle and became one of the King of Hyrule's closest advisers. Once his position was secure, Agahnim betrayed the King of Hyrule, spiriting him away and placing all of his soldiers under a magic spell that made them answerable only to him. He then ordered them to scour Hyrule for the descendants of the Seven Sages, the Seven Maidens, one of which was the King's daughter, Princess Zelda. Soon all of the girls were captured and Agahnim used his dark magic to send each of them across the barrier and into the Dark World, weakening the seal each time until only Princess Zelda remained. Although Zelda was able to escape with the help of a descendant of the Knights of Hyrule, Link, she was later recaptured by the castle soldiers and taken back to Hyrule Castle while Link was away seeking the Blade of Evil's Bane, the Master Sword. Link arrived only moments too late to stop Agahnim from sacrificing Zelda to the Dark World, and with this, the seal of the Seven Sages was at last broken, meaning it was only a matter of time before the gateway between the worlds opened completely and allowed Ganon to come forth once more at his full strength. Link did battle with Agahnim and upon defeating him was pulled into the Dark World himself along with Agahnim, who escaped to Ganon's stronghold, Ganon's Tower."

Dany36 20:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * You've hit the nail on the head here. I'll be honest, at first I only skim read these edits, because there's just far too much text on this page now. This section is now over 800 words, and most of it does equates to little more than a summary of the game's plot. One purpose of any encyclopedia is to break down broad groups of information into specific subjects and areas. The subject of this article is very narrow and clearly defined; the locale referred to as the Sacred Realm, and events and references relating to it. It seems that the article has now become somewhat rambling and essay-like. Simply making an article longer doesn't automatically improve its quality, unless the information added is directly relevant to the subject in question. One consequence is that other editors who want to improve the article are obliged to sift through this cruft, to attempt to pare the article back down to solely relevant content while maintaining the overall sense. The only other real option is to revert such edits entirely. 21:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, I've skimmed through the history of the page, and it seems we can rollback to this edit: link Link87 has been doing a pretty good job at fixing most of the page (I especially liked what he did with the intro paragraph of the article), but most of the stuff added afterwards is just a summary of the games' plot, mainly the ALttP and OoT section. The Twilight Princess section is perfectly fine, though, since it only talks about Lanayru's story of the Sacred Realm. We could add that afterwards. For now, I'll just add an improve tag at the top of the page until we can agree on something. Dany36 21:57, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I've reverted back to that edit and locked the page for a day. Discussion and agreement on what positive changes should be made to the article needs to take place here. 12:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I wasn't exactly done paring down information for OOT or ALttP, I had to find a stopping point yesterday til I could return to work on it more. But I don't think reverting absolutely everything is necessary nor fair, given how much time it took to put some of that together. And a lock on the page is entirely unnecessary as well, nor do I see a purpose for it. Nobody was in an edit war over this, it was just rewriting the article to meet higher standards. I will agree some of the two sections in question could have been pared down, and I was going to, until Adam stepped in and removed everything for apparently no real reason. If you'd have given me the chance to do it, I wasn't entirely done with everything. If the page can be unlocked, we can continue work on it. What I was intending to do was to make smaller subsections for legends of the Sacred Realm spoken of in OOT and ALttP and to perhaps make one for the TP section as well and to weed out anything that did seem to be filler. But I was not given the opportunity to do so. If someone would kindly remove the lock on the page and let me return to what I was doing yesterday, I could complete work on it as I wanted to originally, I just needed more time to do it. Link87 12:46, 10 June 2009 (UTC)