User talk:Bakeneko

Adding shadows to images
Hello, Bakeneko! First of all, thank you for your contributions to the wiki! They are very much appreciated. The recent images you uploaded are all fine, however, could you remove the drop shadow? (specifically, these two images: Zeldatmc.png and Link-MM.png) We like to keep the image as it was originally released by Nintendo, so I'm afraid the shadows don't quite just fit! Thank you, and we hope you stick around! :) --Dany36 13:05, 30 January 2012 (EST)

Images
Hey there,

Just wanted to congratulate you on all your awesome image contributions lately. Can't want to see more from you :) 08:41, 12 February 2012 (EST)


 * Thanks. Glad, I can help out and make some contributions to this awesome site. However, since I mostly deal in images I probalby won't be able to make that much contributions like before. I've already checked all the Character and Enemy sections of the games and most images are already fine. Those left which are in need of background removal have either low quality or are inappropriate for effective background removal. Unfortunately, I do not own a capturing device otherwise I could get new images myself. Bakeneko 15:19, 13 February 2012 (EST)


 * I'll have to join in HK on this one here... All I can say is, WOW!! Those transparency removals on the SSB trophies are incredible, and pretty much all the other images you've uploaded with background transparency are awesome as well. Keep up the awesome work!! --Dany36 00:57, 22 February 2012 (EST)


 * Thanks. Glad you like it. Bakeneko 03:38, 22 February 2012 (EST)

Zelda II Dungeon names added!
I took them from the Futashiba guide, which can be found on Zelda Legends, if you're curious. The names seem to match up almost identically with the English ones so I gave them priority. Do you know where the names already there were from? I'm assuming they're from the game text due to them being in katakana and being a bit shorter. Interesting that the Island Palace is on "Island of Gods" or "God Island" (I wasn't sure which is most accurate). Obviously they left that out when translating...

I'm starting to see why people don't like kanji since the translations of them varies, but I think having both is the best way to go.

If there is anything else you're curious about just feel free to ask. 13:03, 14 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Awesome, Thanks! I was looking for that guide but was unable to find it. The katakana names are from the game. I can only assume that they probably made the in-game names shorter due to technical restrictions. The text window had no option to scroll through text, maybe that is the reason. The name for the third temple is completely off, however. Another thing I find interesting is that the guide lists the correct spelling for Mittsume Iwa while the game uses Mitsume Iwa. I initially wondered about that while I was playing it. I have to make some corrections to the stuff you've added, though.


 * As for the varying names in-game, in the manuals and in the guides, I think this is mostly a problem of the older games. I'm still unsure on how to deal with that. Listing both in-game and manual/guides texts works on the Translation pages but on the regular pages in the Names template this will look overloaded. Anyways, thanks for the help. :) Bakeneko 08:47, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

I have to say...
I rather like the romanji and I think it's a vital tool in understanding Japanese if you don't already, so I undid your edit. I know it must of been a pain in the ass to do, but I really think that it looks better the other way. The translations we put are NOT official and are in some cases guesswork and can be highly variable due to the nature of the Japanese language, thus we give them lower priority than the romanji, which is fixed. That's the logic behind it.

Also, the thought of editing all the other pages to fit that style makes my head hurt. 15:19, 17 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I don't really see why. The Romaji is useless to everyone but people who want to learn Japanese as a foreign language. People who know Japanese don't need it to read kanjis and kana. People who don't care about Japanese won't care about Romaji, however, they may be interested in the translations to see how it differs from the official NoA ones. I think it goes without saying that the translations we provide are not official as the NoA translations are listed right next to them. Furthermore, most of our Japanese translations are spot on from what I've seen and pretty much every translation from one language to another takes a bit of guesswork, although I know what you are trying to say. The Romaji isn't fixed either. It can vary on many occasions. Here's a quick example out of my head: 　 and I could list more. Here's another one since Hylian King asked for it on another page and I will edit this page next. Check the different readings for that. There are kanjis out there with more than 20 different readings - One and the same character but more than 20 ways to spell it.


 * And don't worry. It wasn't that much work. Just around 5 minutes of copy & paste work on that page and I'm willing to do that for the other pages if necessary. The other pages would take a bit longer of course. As time goes by, I intend to work through those pages anyways depending on which Zelda games I will be able to play in Japanese. I think there are many good reasons to go for this change since the Romaji is less important to most people. Bakeneko 06:56, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I personally like the Romaji because it's an understandable form of the language for people such as myself who are not familiar with kana and especially kanji. But yeah, I guess most people probably don't care. If we were going to change the standard, I'd say we should go for format 3 if anything. First of all, it saves on space, which is good for Template:Names, and second of all, it would make our translations pages more uniform; right now, the way we display the Japanese names and their translations is inconsistent with how we handle the other languages. 12:32, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't think we should assume that "most people probably don't care". That's just nonsense, I'm not sure where this idea is from, it's a bizarre and it's just not true for any fandom I've ever come across. Romanji, for most people, is the only understandable form of the language they EVER see. The Japanese text itself means nothing to them, but romanji is at least READABLE and pronounceable. I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to really argue this point. Virtually every fandom that cares about the Japanese side of their franchise is knowledgeable about romanji more than anything else. Terms like "kaitengiri" (Spin Attack) are virtually only understandable as romanji because it can be translated in a number of ways. The Street Fighter fanbase for example knows half of the moves in the game by their Japanese names, and uses romanji to discuss them (Hadouken, anyone?).
 * Romanji shows a non-native speaker how to pronounce the Japanese. It's VITAL for a layman to understand it. Bakaneko, you are more knowledgeable than most people and I feel like this might be clouding your judgement. Romanji should NOT be dismissed and I think it's crazy to be acting like it's unimportant. 13:20, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, let's not assume that most people don't care about Romaji. I suppose most die-hard Zelda fans who have been around in the theory forums, probably know what a Daimaō is or what Kaitengiri means, but isn't it just as wrong to assume that every reader who is visiting this Wiki knows those Japanese terms?


 * I can understand that some terms are more common and known by people, but what about all the regular Japanese terms that have no special meaning and which clearly represent the bigger part of the translations?


 * When a non-Japanese speaker sees something like then the Romaji will mean nothing to them. The only thing they will probably recognize is Gōma. It definitely makes it readable and pronounceable for them, but in no way understandable unless they know the Japanese pronunciation which is highly unlikely the more generic the term is, but at the same time makes it more likely that the reader can actually read Japanese. Not to mention that Kōkaku for example, can mean different things. Only the Kanji and thus the Japanese characters make the meaning clear. The reason why the non-Japanese fanbase uses those terms on some occasions is because they are short and have a clear meaning because there are no words for it in the English language. To be honest, I think, sometimes it's just out of nerdiness or to show how much immersed someone is into the universe. However,only people who already know the translation for this term will profit of this and the reason why they write it in Romaji is simply because most of those people can't read Japanese or don't bother typing it in Japanese because it requires you to install a Japanese IME. And I never said we should dismiss the Romaji. It is still there and people can hover over the Japanese text to read it. I'm just trying to point out that the Romaji is less important and thus the translations should be more accessible by not having to hover over the Romaji.


 * @Hylian King. I agree that the '|3' format would make the pages look more clean but it also makes information less accessible for people.


 * @Fizzle: It's . Bakaneko could mean 'stupid cat'. I'm gonna assume that is a typo, which I find pretty amusing ;) Bakeneko 06:31, 19 December 2012 (UTC)