Talk:Fierce Deity Link

Speculation VS Fact
Fairly decent article, but I advise you to only include fact in your submissions. There is no fact concerning the Fierce Deity. All that is known of his background is that he is evil and has some relation to Majora. Do not include speculation in your articles in the form of fact. If you want to include speculation, make perfectly clear that what you are saying is only guesswork.

Your Loyal Zelda Fan,

Wielder of the Sword

Article Composition
This article is almost completely composed of the glitches to become Fierce Deity. Very little is mentioned about anything in his background, even theories. --Yuvorias 23:33, March 2008 (EST) as

New Editions
The new section to this page 'Who is the Feirce Deity?', in my opinion contains too much speculation for a wiki... such as saying the Interlopers of TP worshiped him, which has little clause considering they're in different parallel worlds. Though it has a theory warning, there isn't evidence in support of it... so I think this section should be worked on, removing the said stuff and more... 22:06, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Some of it is interesting, but the Dark Interlopers thing, yeah, definitely doesn't work, for a number of reasons. As for the rest of it, I'm afraid I'm not yet really familiar with how much speculation this wiki tolerates on its articles.... Jimbo Jambo 08:38, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Generally just sticking to facts is best... however popular and significant theories can be added to the page with the theory warning template. Ideas that are solely personal and carry little evidence to support it are probably best not to be added. 21:34, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Also the only basis they use is the Dark Link Model in TP which makes no sense as The FD Mask likely just gets part of Link's appearance just like the others(Green cap, OoT gautlents, part of the tunic). PureLocke 22:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Theory
I have compiled a theory of Majora's Origins, and it concerns Fierce Deity Link too. If you want to read it it's on my talk page. I think that Fierce Deity is the spirit of The Hero of Time that keeps getting re-incarnated. I also believe that the traveler in the MM manga was Fierce Deity. Is that worth mentioning in the article? --The Keeper of Majora's Mask 22:42, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Because this is an encyclopaedia we attempt to stick to the known facts. When it comes to theories, they can be added to the page if they are well known and are quite a widely believed theory. It isn't appropriate to add every theory each individual has. If you've posted your theory on a forum or like place and it has become known through there, it may be acceptable. Lastly, theories that are added have to be factually strong ones with in game evidence to support them. So, at the moment I would say your idea is not up to mentioning in the article. 19:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I see... --The Keeper of Majora's Mask 19:46, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * For clarification purposes there is currently a ZW Theory Policy being constructed. 22:02, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Transformation
Can we get a picture of link in the middle of the cutscene where he puts the mask on, screaming? There are already pictures like that on both the Deku, Goron and Zora link pages.

Thx GFlame (Talk) - Its good to be back! 03:14, 16 July 2011 (EDT)

Japanese culture reference
At the end of Majora's Mask, if you get the Fierce Deity Mask, Majora wants you to play a game of tag with him (in the localized version, Good Guy Bad Guy). In Japan, when you play tag, the person that's 'it' is called the 'oni,' which basically just means ogre. (It can mean demon, but ogre is more specific.) So essentially to Japanese players, becoming the Oni made sense, even though it seemed to come out of nowhere in English. I think a note of this should be made in the article, perhaps in the Trivia section. ~Hirohiigo


 * This is more than just a theory, this is pretty much all the basis to Fierce Deity Link that exists. The whole finale of Majora's Mask is a play on how Majora plays with people's lives like a child playing with a toy. The children in the field, the wearing of masks, the behavior of Majora's Incarnation, it's all just games to Majora. The final game Majora wants to play is this Japanese version of tag where one person is the Oni. Link's mask turns him into the demon, and they play. That's also why Majora's Incarnation runs around like it does. It could also be argued that by 'tagging' (defeating) Majora's Incarnation, Majora becomes 'it' and turns into Majora's Wrath. Japanese players would understand the reference, so the manga follows this line of thinking also. Violet 21:05, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

could feirce deity of been playable everywhere
i used a hack to plat as feircy deity anywhere and tingle comments like this "huh a fairy and the way you look magic could you sir be a fairy" should this be added to the page--Ruchq 09:27, 20 August 2011 (EDT)

Relation to the warrior in the manga
So, I've seen this one floating around the internet for awhile, and was just wondering what Zelda wiki's stance on it was. A lot of people seem to think that the mysterious warrior in the side story at the end of the Majora's Mask manga, the one who defeats Majora and makes his mask, is meant to be the Fierce Diety. There's a certain amount of resemblance, visually, but I'm not entirely convinced.

Quote
Where's the quote "He's a ferocious god!" from? In the manga, Anju calls him a wild deity. 22:52, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
 * If no one comments, then I'll change it. I have the manga right in front of me and those are the exact words. 01:13, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * If you're sure the current wording is wrong, then go right on ahead. :) 01:23, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The exact sequence of events in the manga goes something like this:

"Link transforms into Fierce Deity
 * Kafei: A- a fierce deity?!
 * Anju: A wild deity?"

- Manga

I feel those quotes don't help the theory, so I've removed them. Feel free to add them back. 01:37, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Hylia?
This would need a retcon, obviously, but might the "Fierce Deity" be referring to Hylia? She was obviously a very powerful deity and skilled in combat. Moreover, the mask looking like Link could be because it was modeled after her hero (SS Link). The Double Helix sword's beams and its ability to create them also seem like a primitive version of the Skyward Strike. Thoughts? Setras 19:50, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * She was active in that she led her side, but as for being "fierce" and combatitive, I'm not seeing what you're seeing--she seemed to be just as much a "barrier maiden" as any other Zelda (except Tetra). Given that she began her reincarnation cycle just as Demise and Link I did, it might just be Link I (who seems to have been the darkest out of all of them), or possibly a conflation of Link with that red Loftwing, who was depicted as semi-divine.
 * More likely though, given that the mask is depicted as somewhat evil and what is translated as "Fierce" actually means "Oni" (Japanese Ogre), which often refers to characters that are not quite demons but still on that side of humanity, the origin of the mask would probably be something closer to Ghirahim, or perhaps even a humanized manifestation of Majora itself.
 * Honestly, I'd be more interested in a sequel to Majora's Mask than an LttP2 or Twilight Princess, because that ending (and the fact that Link allied himself with something the main villain saw as a bad guy) seems like it had a much more open ending. LttP, we already have three games as immediate sequels, and TP was just...so retready.KrytenKoro 21:51, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

I know I'm re-opening a really old topic, but I think I can expand on this idea a little bit now. Hylia was depicted as originally wielding the Goddess Sword and fought Demise for a prolonged period before she ultimately sealed him, which implies a fair bit of power and skill in combat, both traits one would expect from a "fierce" deity. The mask also looks strongly like Link, and so may have been modeled in the likeness of the Link of SS, who was Hylia's chosen hero and carried out her plan by ultimately defeating Demise. The ability to fire out blue disks of energy that the FD's mask gives its wearer also strongly resembles the Skyward Strike. The mask is also said to be filled with "dark power," yet it doesn't seem inherently malevolent or evil. This would again be explained if the mask was dedicated to Hylia, as her protectors- the Sheikah- are the Shadow Folk, and may have crafted the mask. I know this is pretty speculative overall, but much of the page is speculative, so might this idea be worth mentioning? Setras 19:11, 28 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I really don't agree with your view of Hylia as "fierce." By the same vein, the sages that sealed Ganondorf in all three timelines would constitute as fierce, which doesn't really fit. Hylia didn't necessarily have to engage Demise physically, she just had to be in the right place to seal him. If I recall, it was the various races at the time that fought against the demon army, not Hylia herself, so I feel that your personification of Hylia as being a warrior is...wrong.
 * It's true that she wielded a sword, but it's implied that the Goddess Sword went up alongside the humans above the clouds, which happened before the war and before she sealed Demise. 19:57, 28 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I thought the Goddess Sword being placed in the Statue of the Goddess happened after the war, when Hylia created Fi and formulated her plan. Plus, according to the opening cutscene and what Zelda later said, Hylia rallied the other races to fight the demons, but she was the one who actually fought him, and her resulting wounds were what drove her to formulate her plan in the first place. Setras 20:34, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Fierce Deity in Austria
Fierce Deity has an austrian name, I would like to add them, but i can´t.--Red Wizzrobe! 16:51, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't it be German? And what is the name?KrytenKoro (talk) 18:34, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

The Austrian-German name is "Oni-Link"--Red Wizzrobe! 10:00, 22 March 2014 (UTC) Can I add them now?--Red Wizzrobe! 13:04, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Would you happen to know if there's a traditional code for this language, similar to the ISO639-2? Wikipedia doesn't list an official one.KrytenKoro (talk) 13:50, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

The code is de-AT, https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%C3%96sterreichisches_Deutsch&stable=0&shownotice=1. (The german Wikipedia)^. Tell me how I can add it --Red Wizzrobe! 16:23, 24 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Oni-Link ist not really an Austrian German name. As the article says: "Link's Fierce Deity form is popularly referred to as 'Oni Link' within the The Legend of Zelda community." - so, this is not Austrian-specific. In Standard German everybody says Oni-Link, too. But the only official source that contains his German name is Hyrule Historia (which is not localized to any dialects). It says "grimmige Gottheit" for Fierce Deity and "Link als grimmige Gottheit" (Link as ...) for FD Link. See also this discussion at Zeldapendium (de). Pascal (2903@legacy41959290||talk) 00:58, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Fierce Deity Sword created in Man at Arms YouTube video
Man at Arms is a YouTube series that is run by a family of Black Smiths. What they do is, essentially, they create weapons for movies, as well as weapons from various forms of media (movies, games, TV shows, comics) if their fan base demands it enough. They recently created the Fierce Deity Sword, and I figured it might be alright if the Wiki included this on the FD Article. They have also done a video about the Master Sword, so perhaps we could mention that as well? Ixbran (talk) 03:24, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


 * That's some pretty neat stuff. But I'm afraid that there wouldn't be much point in including it in the article. 04:45, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Agree, main pages are no place for fan made stuff. 05:03, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Aonuma answers question about the mask
http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/aonuma-answers-more-majoras-mask-questions-explains-whose-soul-is-inside-th#.VPjZ7i5XKKF Quite an interesting answer Kaihedgie (talk) 22:40, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Manga VS Actual Story
The Manga IS NOT CANON. It should not be represented as such. The "Majora Dragon" is not canon, Fierce Deity never danced, and the theories resounding around the subject are just as reasonable as the Manga. (Not to mention the Manga contradicts the actual Canon story, essentially proving it to be unrelated to the canon)
 * Correct. We have our canon policy that all information in the wiki is expected to operate within. Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes ( ~ ). 21:01, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I never mentioned the Majora Dragon. The canon itself gives an origin for Majora -- it was a mask used in spite-based rituals that absorbed the darkness of those rituals ("The salesman explains that the mask is an ancient artifact that was used by an Ancient Tribe for its bewitching rituals, but the mask's wicked power became so great that it was sealed away to prevent a great catastrophe. "). Termina is also very much not a "Bizarro" Hyrule -- Cremia is not evil, the Gorman brothers are not charitable. The Fierce Deity also has a canon origin given by Aonuma, as stated on its page -- essentially, it is the conglomeration of sadness and cursed beings that you claimed Majora was, and it hungers for revenge ("The best way to think about it is that the memories of all the people of Termina are inside of the Fierce Deity Mask." —Eiji Aonuma (Aonuma on the pain behind Link’s transformations in Majora’s Mask, Fierce Deity Mask soul)).KrytenKoro (talk) 03:00, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Remove the theory?
Doesn't the interview with Aonuma destroy the theory on this article? Shouldn't the theory be removed?

"Whose soul is inside the Fierce Deity Mask? Aonuma: The best I can give you is just a suggestion. The best way to think about it is that the memories of all the people of Termina are inside of the Fierce Deity Mask."

This means that the Fierce Deity ISN'T an evil entity, doesn't it? Dark Mirror's Link (talk) 21:12, 16 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I think it's fair to remove it if it contradicts canon/Word of God. 00:21, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Tri Force Heroes Appearance
I never got Tri Force Heroes so I can't confirm this, but does the Fierce Deity Armor have an icon in that game? -Mugen Kagemaru (talk) 16:15, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * His armor appears in the game, not the character himself. 18:45, 17 July 2017 (UTC)