Talk:Stallord

King Dodongo?
Is it possible that Stallord is the skeleton of King Dodongo? They were both big dinosaurs, and you fought Dodongo in an area almost identical to where you fought stallord. Plus, when you beat King Dodongo in Oot, he rolls in the lava in the middle, which cools, and leaves just his head and front legs exposed, just like when you first go in Stallords room. If you doubt me, just watch one of the youtube videos of this Oot fight to refresh your memory. If you can't see how it got from Dodongo Cavern to Arbiter's Grounds, here is another speculation. Zant likely knew that Link was in Arbiter's Grounds. So he found King Dodongo's skeleton, and warped it to Arbiter's Grounds. He then waited for Link to come to the boss, then brought it back to life as Stallord.

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Now that you mention it... probably --195.93.21.4 22:47, 19 June 2007 (PDT)

And also, if you put the two maps from each game together, the cavern and desert are roughly in the same place...

You could be right, though it could also be the remains of Volvagia. Also, when Volvagia dies, look at his skeleton after the flames have been put out. It looks like Stallord. --Icytriforc


 * Well, when you look at it that way...


 * But think of it this way: Stallord's skull alone is at least twice as big as Volvagia's skull! Volvagia is like one of those Chinese dragons that are oh-so-common. Looks like a snake, but has a dragon-like head, it can fly and it breathes fire.


 * So please, tell me how when Volvagia died, its skeleton became about four times bigger than before. I just can't see how. I think it's far more likely to be King Dodongo, but even that has flaws. I don't think any part of that guy would have the ability to fly. However, with the Twilight Sword...I suppose it could have given him that ability. However, that's mere speculation. --Yuvorias, 17:16, 21 April 2008 (EST)

Stallord may even well be a mere creature that had attacked them or another part of Hyrule, was captured by the Gerudo, and imprisoned in the Arbiter's Ground. Stallords Skull seems to have some spears on its head, so being captured is a possibility. Its death is unclear, but most likely when the Gerudo race disappeared, it had no source of food, and therefore died of starvation. It has the ability to fly (with out its body) and breath fire. Whether or not this is caused by the "Twilight Sword" is unknown, it is safe to say these abilities were granted by it. If these powers are not given as such, it is possible that Stallord was a descendant of King Dodongo or Volvagia. I doubt the remains the original King Dodongo or Volvagia would be locked up in PRISON., 22:14, 26 July 2008 (EST)


 * All of the above comments make sense to me. Any objections to the removal of the entire "Volvagia or King Dodongo" section of the article? 02:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Not really, but since it is still a common assumption of many people, someone's going to put it back up if you delete it. Just put maybe a little trivia point saying how it's theorized by some to be one of the two. --Felicia's Champion 02:25, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, Project Deluge's factuality was believed to be true by SO many people (one of my friends is still convinced that it's real, and he's telling others! WHAT THE HECK), and yet no one complained when I removed that from Zelda Wii. Death Sword's supposed "hanging" is also a widely-assumed theory, and yet it has been removed from that page - a couple of times, sure, but I believe that the discussion there is enough to dissuade anyone from hereon (and if not, we'll just refer them to it), as hopefully this will be. 03:03, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

While I do not believe in the "Valley of the Flood"/"Deluge", its know there will be a new Wii and DS Zelda game. I'm a little questionable about Miyamoto's thoughts though, making Zelda casual. Lets think, many, if not all fans of the Smash Bros. series were disappointed with Brawl because it was made for casual players. The fact that this many people would upset about SSB's new direction, means there are very few casual players who play this game. The point is, most people who play games like LoZ are not casual and are hardcore, it is what Zelda has always been about. Making Zelda casual will basically take away from the action and storyline, and instead replacing it with more and more dialogue. In the supposed interview about Project Deluge, elements such as a musket firing Deku Nuts were given. C'mon, if you're going to have a gun, make it fire real bullets, or don't have them at all. I'm not saying they need to go crazy with blood, but it ruins the fact of even having them in the game. Example: Slingshots can fire Deku Nuts, but they can't fire bullets, which is why the gun would be invented. If weapons like slingshots or bows could fire ammunition, we would not be using guns at this time. Technical evolution is supposed to improve the performance and speed of the older model, not because it looks cooler.

Now it seems I have become off topic, but the point is you can't assume anything without having given evidence of the matter. Just as we may never know what Stallord really was or how Death Sword was killed, if he even was, we can't guess that Deluge is real or not. However, while its bad to remove a topic that someone worked hard on, it isn't any better to give information that isn't 100% true. I think the best thing we can do is just post Project Deluge as a theory article unless proven fact., 20:27, 27 July 2008 (EST)


 * Hey, cool that you should mention that final sentence, since it was an idea of mine anyway. Although, with E3 having passed, I'm not so sure that it's truly that important anymore. I suppose that if anyone else tries to put the information up, then we could create the Project Deluge article, but the talk seems to have died down significantly. So perhaps it doesn't really matter right now? (And honestly, I'm not so sure what made this rumor any more plausible or notable than all of the other rumored new Zelda game ideas in the first place.) 00:37, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I absolutely agree, but I was just using Deluge as an example, I just meant applying this for these kinds of topics in the future., 20:55, 27 July 2008 (EST)


 * Well, We have those kinds of articles already, sort of. They are the ones with the Theory Template right at the top of the page. We can adapt this template for rumor pages. Whether or not Project Deluge is real or not, it is part of the history of the The Legend of Zelda Community. That will never change. So perhaps we should make a article on it. I don't really know for sure, because I don't really care about Project Deluge. I'll let others decide. 01:00, July 28, 2008 (UTC)

I could easily prove both of the discredits for volvagia are incorrect:
 * 1) Ganondorf's magic may have disfigured Volvagia when it was revived by him
 * 2) You never fought Volvagia as a child (which TP comes from), thus, it's body would not have been destroyed.


 * Alright, we really need to figure out what to do here. Now a third possibility has been added regarding Stallord's "possible alternate ego". Honestly, I think that these prove only that many Zelda bosses contain various similarities, not that they may be one or the other (not to mention that if Stallord could be any of these three, then it stands to reason that any of them could be any of the others). I think that it's getting a little ridiculous here, and I'm going to remove the entire section here pretty soon if no one can provide a solid reason as to why it should stay. 03:32, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

The Sword...
I was just wondering... Is the sword used to revive stallord the same sword that Death Sword uses, or if not, is it a sword that appears in any of the games at any other point. In other words, might it be a sword we recognize?--Magnus orion 20:47, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

This proves more to the possibility that Stallord and Volviga are one in the same.
I don't know if someone else already noticed this but it says that Stallord cannot be volviga because volviga's body was destroyed in ocarina of time. I just want to point out that this fact is completly irrelavent due to the fact that volviga was defeated by adult link, and that the zelda series has two seperate timelines, both starting with child link in the ocarina of time, in the first timeline, Gannondorf gets his hands on the triforce and conquers Hyrule, than link defeats him as an adult, this timeline is the one where volviga is revived by gannondorf and than destroyed by link. In the second timeline however Gannondorf is arrested before he could get his hands on the triforce thus leading to the events of twilight princess, in this reality, volviga is never revived by gannondorf nor is his body destroyed by link.

The other reason that Stallord cannot be volviga stated that stallord larger and more dinosour while volviga was smaller and more serpent like, I believe that this proves nothing, My theory is that Volviga was smaller than stallord because of the way he was revived, If you notice, stallard was basically a reanimated skeleton, and volviga was fully reborn with flesh and everything, meaning that in the ocarina of time, Volviga was reborn as his youth form, and probably needed to consume some gorons in order to gain size and power, while in twilight princess, Stallord was simply reanimated by the power of the twilight as a skelleton, thus he kept his origional size and lost some of his power. Gannon probably wanted the dragon to become his minion, while Zant simply wanted the dragon to put an end to link. As to the different types of bodies, both volviga and stallard had arms and a head, and it can't be proven what stallard looked like under the sand, he was probably more serpent like.

My point is that I believe that volviga and Stallard are likely one in the same, in that both the facts that prove otherwise can easily be countered.


 * While that first part is a valid point, they cannot be the same because they are shaped completely differently. Just because something looks similar to something else, that doesn't automatically make the the same thing. Nintendo just likes to reuse themes. Trying to make a connection where none exists is pointless. 00:30, December 8, 2008 (UTC)

Fourth Possibility: Onox
Just to throw one more bucket of gasoline over the fire, I don't think Stallord looks very much like Volvagia, King Dodongo, or Gleeok at all. He's much larger and has longer arms than Volvagia, more humanoid than King Dodongo, and Gleeock lacked arms altogether, not to mention the extra heads.

Stallord does, however, look almost identical to Onox's Dark Dragon form. Note also that Onox has some connection to the Gerudo, judging by the symbol on his armor, and Stallord is found in the Gerudo Desert. --Rootbeer277 15:10, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Similarities:
 * snake-like lower body
 * long, human-like arms
 * breath weapon
 * Differences (all superficial):
 * fangs on top of jaw instead of bottom
 * two extra horns
 * lack of wings


 * Well, as Matt already pointed out to someone else, the fact that something looks the same, doesn't mean it is the same. So this is most likely coincidence. 15:45, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

OoT manga
Is there some reason why we don't want to mention the Stalfos from the manga? Jimbo Jambo 18:33, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Because that was just a typo. The OoT manga was translated a few years after TP came out, so the translator just accidentally put Stallord instead of Stalfos.
 * It could probably be said in the Trivia if anything, but...Reign 22:40, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

A dark dragon
Gleerok, King Dodongo, and Volvagia all have the wrong shape and are far too small. However, Dark Dragon is a lot closer physicly. It can't be onox because be died after tp (most likely) but in his speach before his second form he says" the wrathe of a dark dragon. " He also metions he came from the dark realm. It is possible that another dark dragon attacked hyulebut was exucted in arbiters grounds. This would make stallord be a dark dragon.