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Native Residents of Termina = Hylian?
I do not understand why the residents of Termina are listed as the race Hylian. Can anyone native of Termina truly be considered a Hylian? Hylians are from Hyrule, but Termina is a different world (canon). Though the term might not be official, Termanian seems to be a better race than Hylian for the native residents of Termina. What do you think? Dark Mirror&#39;s Link (talk) 05:40, 31 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Hylian refers to the race, so it's entirely possible that the race exists outside of Hyrule. Hylians from Hyrule are also known as Hyruleans (but Hylians are not necessarily from Hyrule), but Terminans are not. As far as we know, Terminans are biologically identical to Hylians, so I would say they're effectively indistinguishable. It's also been shown that travel between the worlds is possible as two Hylians were shown to enter it with no apparent effort, so there is zero evidence that Terminans could not be Hylian. It would really be more of a personal distinction (like "Skyloftian").
 * In any case, Hylians are humans with pointed ears. Terminan residents have pointed ears. As there is no canon species for Terminan residents, the closest accurate species name is Hylian. I would rather not have us deal with non-canon titles; it's a sloppy ordeal altogether. 19:11, 31 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Think of it like this, if I go to a different world, where humans rule,(like our world) but still called human, like plant of the apps, the old ones. Mttplaysvg (talk) 17:00, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Italian Translation Problem
Hello everyone, I'm itaLink and I registered to post some translations into Italian of The Legend of Zelda. I apologize for my bad English but, in fact, are Italian. Sometimes I find problems in saving the changes because it says that I use inappropriate words, but because they are not native speaker I do not know what words it refers. How can I do?


 * This problem should have gone away by now, as you've probably realized.


 * The wiki was probably blocking you from adding certain Italian names because they looked like English swear words. It's an unfortunate but necessary feature to fight vandalism. It only blocks accounts that are totally new, so it won't block you anymore.


 * We apologize for the inconvenience. 17:12, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

A Question
Hello. My name's PhantomHeartless5. I just got on this wiki and wanted to ask. Is it all right if I add a characteristics section to character articles showcasing Appearance, Personality, and Abilities? I thought I'd ask before making big changes. PhantomHeartless5 (talk) 18:13, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That is more than welcomed! As you might have already seen, we already have those section for characters such as Ghirahim or Princess Zelda, but it'd be perfect if we could get those sections out for as many characters as possible. :) Go ahead! --Dany36 (talk) 01:32, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * As Dany said, there are characteristics sections for characters who play a major role in the game, but the section isn't as common on minor character articles. I say go on right ahread. XXSuperXXNintendoXx (talk) 01:41, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Changing my username
Osteoderm Jacket is a nick I reused from another website, but at this point it doesn't really feel thematically appropriate to this place and it contains a somewhat obscure technical term. I'd like to change it; I was thinking of changing it to "Ice Medallion" if that isn't already taken. How do I go about changing my username? --Osteoderm Jacket (talk) 01:45, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * An administrator has to do it for you. I can go ahead if you're settled on "Ice Medallion." Keep in mind that we'd rather not have to rename people several times over, so when someone picks a new name we expect them to stick with it for a good while. Just saying :P 02:09, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Go ahead and change it. I'm pretty sure I want this name and not OJ at this point. Should I put up a note on my user page saying what my previous nickname was? --Osteoderm Jacket (talk) 05:16, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * You don't have to. I used to go by "Neo," but now I just use my name. I don't mention it on my userpage. Anyway, I'll take care of that for you if HK hasn't. Just be sure to change your sig to match your new name. 12:58, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Regarding Super Smash Bros.
I was recently going through some pages in order to update them with new information pertaining to, which eventually led me to having a look at a few of the pages relating to some of the older Super Smash Bros. games. As I was browsing, however, I couldn't help but notice that many of them were untidy, inconsistent, and outdated, and I even thought that some were completely unnecessary. The Super Smash Bros. series is non-canon, many aspects of it don't really fall under what I feel a Zelda-based wiki should cover, and I think that the way we handle information associated with it could definitely be improved. Originally, there were a few specific articles that I was going to edit, but I eventually ended up wanting to make quite a lot of major edits to many different pages, so I thought that it would be best if I listed them all here. Basically, what I want to do is this:
 * Do something with the pages for trophies and stickers. Either merge them with the game articles themselves or move them to something along the lines of "List of Trophies/Stickers in Super Smash Bros. X". That way, the trophy page won't become oversized with the release of future games.
 * On a related note, decide whether or not items, music, stages, and enemies from the Super Smash Bros. games deserve similar treatment.
 * Split all of the Zelda-related stages from the Super Smash Bros. series into their own articles. While some are virtually identical to their original appearances (e.g. Skyloft), others are completely different (e.g. Hyrule Castle), and some are somewhere in between (e.g. Great Bay). I think that treating them all the same way and giving them separate pages would allow for slightly more detailed descriptions and make pages less cluttered. They can have either "(Super Smash Bros.)" or "(Stage)" at the end of their titles to disambiguate.
 * Move Template:SSB Stages to "Template:Stage", which is a much simpler name, and add a "Game(s)" field to it. Possibly include a "Theme Music" field, too.
 * Create a category titled "Super Smash Bros. Stages" and incorporate it into the template.
 * Delete either Template:Smashwiki or Template:Exitstub-nintendo, and only use the other to link to more in-depth articles on SmashWiki. There's no real need to have two templates that serve the exact same purpose.
 * Delete the hack and glitch pages for all of the Super Smash Bros. games; they don't fall under our scope.
 * Move Hyrule: Temple to either "Temple (Super Smash Bros.)" or "Temple (Stage)". That's the most recently used and more accurate name. Leave the original page as a redirect.
 * Delete Characters in Super Smash Bros. (Series), for the same reason as the hack and glitch pages. Have a list of all Zelda-related characters on the individual pages for each game, or perhaps create a separate gallery page for each game like we do for canon titles. I personally prefer the former idea.
 * Once again, decide whether or not trophies, stickers, items, music, and enemies deserve similar treatment. I believe that the latter three should simply be listed on the individual game articles.
 * Decide whether Super Smash Bros. games (and non-canon games in general) belong in the "Game(s)" or "Other media" field of infoboxes. It's currently pretty inconsistent.
 * Merge Super Smash Bros./Link's Moves with either Link/Other Appearances, Hero of Time, or Adult Link. This ties in with the already slightly messy situation we have with the Young Link/Adult Link/Hero of Time pages.
 * Make this template a real template and place it on all relevant pages. Find a better name for it, if possible.

So yeah, that's just about everything. I'd like to hear what everybody else has to say about this. I know that it would take quite a lot of work if we were to put all of these changes into action, but I feel that there's a pretty large need for improvement. If you want me to elaborate on any of these points, feel free to ask. 14:19, 19 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I could get behind all that, with a few exceptions.


 * Some points in response:


 * I think the Trophy and Sticker articles are fine as they are, but I suppose it would be better to split lists by game. I'm against merging them with the game articles because there's too many of them. It would bloat the articles.


 * As for everything else (characters, items, music, etc.), those could all be merged as long as we keep their descriptions brief and there's not so much information that it bloats the pages. We could even scale back our coverage on stages to just small, merged summaries on the game articles. If we did that, we could just delete Template:SSB Stages. Let SmashWiki go into detail about the stages; for obvious reasons they do a better job of it anyway. (On this point you kind of contradict yourself. You mention merging the stages with the game articles but earlier on you also advocate splitting them all.)


 * If we were to keep using Template:Exitstub-nintendo, the wording would have to be changed. Many of our SSB articles are not just "short summaries."


 * I'd say non-canon games should be considered "other media." But maybe we should consider renaming those two fields entirely for the sake of clarity.


 * Why do we need to cover movesets at all? That's another thing we can leave to SmashWiki.

Basically, I wouldn't mind if all our SSB articles looked like does. There's no need to go more in-depth than that when we have SmashWiki as a partner. 15:40, 19 June 2014 (UTC)


 * The Trophies page is good as it is, for now, has I kinda agree that eventually it will become oversized, so maybe in a near future it would be a good idea to split the article per game.
 * I don't really see the point in having an article for every stage, as almost all the relevant info on them can be easily added to its main article (ex. Great Bay) and its respective SBB game article. Besides, like HK said, theres the SmashWiki to go in-depth.
 * I also agree that the SSB glitches and characters pages (and other pages alike) are unnecessary. The game's pages already link to the characters in SSBX articles in the SmashWiki, so there's no really point in having an article about characters outside the Zelda series. When I started updating the SSB articles, I tried to leave only the Zelda-related stuff, as the SmashWiki articles (which are linked at the top of each page anyway) have all the info about everything else.
 * The SSB games, as every other spin-off game, should appear in the other games section, although indeed some pages are still outdated in that matter.
 * I edited all the SSB games articles to look the same, just including the Zelda-related stuff, so I guess that other SSB-related articles would be better like that too. Chuck (talk) 04:50, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

You both raise fair points. Just to clarify, I didn't mean to list stages as something that should be merged with the game pages; that was a mistake. Seeing as there's quite a lot to talk about here, I'm going to split this into separate discussions.

Please post any new comments under the headings below. 18:28, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Splitting the trophy article
The problem with the current trophy page is that while there are a few ways to deal with it, they all pose some issues. I don't feel that leaving it as it is would be wise. As I've already mentioned, it could eventually become oversized. Also, the "Collecting Trophies" section of the page really needn't exist, as it contains some information that is entirely unnecessary, and all of the useful information in it can easily be incorporated into the page's introduction.

Simply deleting the page and placing a list of trophies on the individual Super Smash Bros. game articles could be possible if we didn't include images or descriptions of each trophy, but I can already tell that many people would be against that. Splitting the page into separate pages titled "List of Trophies in X" would definitely solve the size issue, but the name implies that all trophies would be included regardless of whether or not they're related to the Zelda series.

I've come up with two solutions that I think could work: I personally prefer the second option. 18:28, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Turn Trophy (Super Smash Bros.) into a disambiguation page that contains a very brief description of what a trophy is, as well as a link to the relevant page on SmashWiki. It would link to four pages: "Trophies in Super Smash Bros. Melee", "Trophies in Super Smash Bros. Brawl", "Trophies in Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS", and "Trophies in Super Smash Bros. for Wii U". If anybody feels that it's necessary, we could place "Zelda-related" at the beginning of each title for greater clarity.
 * Delete Trophy (Super Smash Bros.) altogether. Have a notice at the top of this page linking to all four trophy lists and the trophy article on SmashWiki.

Moving the sticker article
Stickers are a slightly different case to trophies. So far, they've only appeared in Brawl, and there's been nothing to suggest that they'll reappear in future games. However, having a page titled "Sticker" just seems odd, especially when the page should ideally be more about what Zelda-related stickers can be found in the game, rather than stickers themselves. The introduction could definitely be condensed, and I don't feel as if the "Sticker Effects" section is even required.

I feel that the best solution here would be to simply move the page to "Stickers in Super Smash Bros. Brawl", and make the introduction briefer. Like with trophies, "Zelda-related" could be placed at the beginning of the title for clarity. "Sticker" could be left as either a redirect or a soft redirect. 18:28, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Making individual articles for each stage
Currently, with the exception of Hyrule: Temple, none of the Zelda-related stages from the Super Smash Bros, series have their own articles here. I feel that having separate pages for all of the stages would allow us to go into much greater detail, but whether or not we actually need to do that when we have SmashWiki to do it for us is something that I'm still not quite decided on. After all, it still is Zelda-related information, and having as much Zelda-related information on this wiki as possible is our goal. We don't have to go into too much detail about tournament legality, unlock criteria, and strategies, but there is quite a lot to be said about theme music, origin, and differences from canon incarnations. However, a lot of that stuff is already covered by SmashWiki anyway, so I'm just not sure.

Either way, Hyrule: Temple should remain a separate article due to not being directly based on anywhere in the Zelda series and not really being able to be merged with anything. Also, if we do decide to give stages separate articles, Template:SSB Stages should be moved to "Template:Stage" and given a "Game(s)" field. 18:28, 20 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't think the infobox template should be moved (unless it's to drop the extra "S" at the end – almost all of our infoboxes are singular). The current name is a more accurate description of the template's usage. Further, "Template:Stage" should be saved for an actual Zelda series infobox. We'll need it in the future should Nintendo release a Zelda with an elaborate multiplayer mode. We could even use one now for articles on the multiplayer stages in ST (Ancient Earth, Frozen Plains, Fire Arena, etc.), which Zelda Wiki currently doesn't mention at all. 19:47, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Making lists or galleries for characters, items, stages, music, and enemies
Like trophies and stickers, we could give characters, items, music, and enemies pages titled "Zelda-related X in Super Smash Bros. X". Unlike trophies and stickers, however, I don't feel that there are nearly enough of them to warrant this. There are two possible solutions that I can see here: I'd prefer it if we went with the first option. 18:28, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Leave things as they are. Characters, items, stages, music, and enemies can all be listed on each game's page. If stages have separate pages, they can be linked to.
 * Have lists/galleries for the entire Super Smash Bros. series rather than each game. For example, "Zelda-related Items in the Super Smash Bros. Series"

Linking to SmashWiki
At the moment, we have two templates that are used to link to articles on SmashWiki: Template:Smashwiki and Template:Exitstub-nintendo. I don't feel that having both of these templates is necessary, as they do the exact same thing, and one of them should probably be deleted. Personally, I'd prefer to keep the former. While the latter is more colorful, it more closely resembles our maintenance notices than our 'see also' templates (compare Template:Update to Template:RelatedPage). It also doesn't look as good when placed in sections (compare Pirate Ship to Bridge of Eldin). Alternatively, we could use Exitstub at the top of pages and Smashwiki in sections, but I'm not really for this. I'd rather just keep one. 18:28, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Other changes
The majority of the things in this section are changes that I believe most people will agree on without much discussion. First of all, the existing hack and glitch pages pertaining to the Super Smash Bros. games should be deleted. As I've already said, they're simply not relevant here. For the same reasons, Characters in Super Smash Bros. (Series) should also be deleted. I also believe that Super Smash Bros./Link's Moves is unnecessary and should be deleted. As HK has already said, SmashWiki can take care of detailing character's movesets, and as long as we mention all of the Zelda-related items/spells/attacks that are used in each one (which we already do), everything relevant is covered. Finally, as I mentioned earlier, Hyrule: Temple should be moved to "Temple (Super Smash Bros.)" or "Temple (Stage)", as it's a more accurate name. 18:28, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

'Non-canon Appearances' vs. 'Other Media'
This is something that came up in the above discussion and I felt needed a separate topic. Currently, many of our infobox templates are inconsistent in what they use to list non- or ambiguously-canon appearances. Template:Animal, Template:Boss, Template:Character, Template:Deity, and Template:Enemy all use "Non-canon Appearances", with some linking to our canon policy, and others not, while Template:Ability, Template:Dungeons, Template:Group, Template:Item, Template:Monarchy, Template:Object, Template:Place, and Template:Species all use "Other Media", with some having "media" capitalized and others not. Furthermore, Template:Event and Template:Song don't use anything, so it's not actually possible to list non- or ambiguously-canon appearances in them.

I've also seen non- or ambiguously-canon games such as games in the Super Smash Bros. series being placed in the "Game(s)" row of infoboxes rather than other rows (compare Horse Call to ), and this quite understandably tends to happen in infoboxes that use "Other Media" as a row. I think we can all agree that the "Game(s)" row should only be used for canon games. We should probably come up with a standard system for all infoboxes to use, so that things are more consistent and less confusing for newer editors. I personally think that the "Non-canon Appearances" style (with a link to the canon policy) works the best, as it makes it clear that the appearances aren't canon, links to a page that explains what actually falls under "non-canon", and doesn't mislead the reader/editor into thinking that it only includes media besides games. It's not as ambiguous as "Other Media", which different people can take to mean different things. We could also change "Game(s)" to "Canon Appearances", but I don't feel that's really necessary. 20:22, 20 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the "Other Media" thing is my fault. When I was working on adding information about The Crystal Trap and The Shadow Prince, it used to be that infoboxes only had a "Game(s)" section, so I mindlessly added a "Books" section (which later became Other Media) for dumb reasons. :P I say we should just change them to "Non-canon Appearances" and have a link to the policy like you mentioned. --Dany36 (talk) 01:46, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Userbox question
Hello, I was just wondering if somebody who knew how should make a new userbox template for people who have The Minish Cap on Virtual Console. I personally don't have this, but if there are userboxes for all the other Virtual Console games I think there should be one for The Minish Cap. Infernap (talk) 13:07, 23 June 2014 (UTC)


 * It already exists. You can find a list of all Userbox templates here. 00:10, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Hyrule Warriors Images
I've been noticing that every single image released so far have been uploaded to the Wiki, which makes me wonder what's the point in it. The gallery section of the page is already oversized, and it looks that is growing even more every day. Similar, the Power Bracelet gallery also have like every single image where Link is using the Gloves, when only one is more than enough. Not even the main canon games have so many images uploaded, so I don't see why a spin-off should, specially since most of them are completely unnecessary.

I hope something can be done with this, because I'm pretty sure the problem will only grow over time, specially since there are still a lot more characters, items, and stages to come...

Background
To the editors: Would you consider changing the background picture for the wiki? Possibly it could be something more Zelda related? Maybe the 25th anniversary picture? With the multiple incarnations of Link on it? Its Zelda related and it looks cool. Thank you for taking the time to read this request. Respond as soon as needed. Thanks.InvisibleGanon (talk) 00:44, 31 July 2014 (UTC) I mean for the main page. The image may be copyrighted though.InvisibleGanon (talk) 17:57, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Signature help
Hi, I'm looking into making a custom signature, but have very little experience in HTML. I have the font that I want but I need help. Any one? Thanks The DJ (talk) 03:48, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Try our signatures help guide. It should be able to help you put one together. 10:30, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
 * My question is with the HTML. I have almost no experience with HTML, and I'd like help with that. The DJ (talk) 22:28, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Terminians ≠ Hylians = Loruleans
I'm really confused here; if Terminians are not considered Hylians even though they're exactly the same anatomically, why are Loruleans Hylians? I don't understand.

Terminians are NOT called Hylians here on the wiki due to the fact that they're not Hyrulean, but with that logic, wouldn't Loruleans be Loruleans? And, I understand the "Terminian Hylian" thing we do, but it still bugs me how in the 'Race' section of every character page, Terminians are never called Hylians, but Loruleans are. —ℕʘℬʘⅅㄚℕʘ1 (ㄒaʟҡ) 00:27, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * As stated here, "Terminan" is merely a demonym, not the name for the species. The articles in which it lists characters as "Terminan" race are simply an oversight. They should all be changed to Hylian. Some of the major relevant articles (Anju, Kafei, etc.) reflect this.
 * Terminan and Lorulian (correlating with "Hylian") are improper species names and should be avoided. Terminan and Lorulean, however, are perfectly fine as demonyms. As shown within the games, Hylians do not need to hail from Hyrule, so "Terminan Hylian" is an acceptable designation (although just "Hylian" should be used in the race section).
 * It would be great if you could help by going around and changing these errors, though. Thanks for pointing this out. 04:28, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * So, to summarize, we need to change all the "Terminian" designations into "Hylian" when it comes to the 'Race/Species' category. Aye aye Captain, I'll get to work :P
 * This kind of an off-topic question, but is the correct term "Terminian" or "Terminan"? I've heard people use both, and I just prefer "Terminian." —ℕʘℬʘⅅㄚℕʘ1 (ㄒaʟҡ) 12:26, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I believe "Terminan" is the most accurate because it does not corrupt "Termina" the way that "Terminian" does. 21:50, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

A Question for HW
On the Bosses of Hyrule Warriors the picture of Gohma is a mess of jumbled text. I've tried with two different computers and my 3DS but it's always the same. I've seen people editing the page and it seems like no one either sees it or knows how to fix it. My question is, is it something on my end and literally no one else sees it cause I've had that happen before. And before anyone can ask I've tried using different internet browser and it's always the same. -- 09:50, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

11:54, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * You're welcome to take your pick from any of these explanations.
 * I'll just quote it for you, here, though:
 * "Due to recent server issues, any images or files uploaded within the last 2 or 3 weeks prior to the first of August are missing from the server. Justin is currently working on restoring these files. Until then, please refrain from re-uploading them until this issue has been resolved."


 * Okay so it's not just me. Thats good to know. Thanks Pakkun -- 12:00, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I believe the issue should be totally fixed. Please let us know if you spot any errors in the future, though. :) 21:23, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Permission Problems
I am currently unable to upload new images to the wiki, and come to a page that says "Forbidden You don't have permission to access /index.php on this server." I'll assume this is my fault. The last time I was uploading images I was having lag issues, and ended up uploading the same thing three times.

If I can be granted permissions again, I promise not to be so impatient next time. If this isn't the cause of the problem, I would like to know what happened so I can avoid future problems. Pixel 4:43, 10 August 2014 (ADT)


 * Pixel, you're a great contributor so I can say it would be highly unlikely that we would try to restrict you in any way over a mistake like uploading three times.
 * That said, we are currently having some server issues which occasionally mess with the permissions. At the moment, all we can do is ask you to be patient while we fix it. It shouldn't be long (a few days, maximum) before it's fixed, but let us know if this problem persists later. 21:23, 10 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm glad to hear that I am not a trouble maker. :) As for the server issues, I'll be patient. Pixel 11:10, 12 August 2014 (ADT)


 * Just to clarify, it's going to take longer than a few days. Despite our best efforts, the scale of the current operation is VERY large. It may take several weeks to fully sort out the new servers. My apologies for the inconveniences, Pixel. 14:43, 12 August 2014 (UTC)


 * It is unfortunate with all that has happened, and thank you for the details you published on the situation, Justin. It sounds like your working over time on the whole mess. As I already mentioned, I will be patient and do what I can in the meantime. I already have the next five Image Request Backgrounds dealt with. Since it maybe some time before they can be published, should I remove the ones I finish from the page or put a mark on them? Just to save peoples time. Pixel 1:46, 12 August 2014 (ADT)

Editor with a love for Zelda...
So I generally am well versed in format and referencing, but I've never worked on a wiki before...is there a place I can go to learn a general rule of thumb, before I started assisting with the wiki? Also, I know one issue with a wiki is finding a reference for each bit of information in the article, and so that's one of the areas I'd love to assist. However, with that, it seems citing that it happened in the actual game through observation isn't a reliable source, correct? What could be in its place? A lets play play through where the listed material occurs? Quotes of the dialogue? Basically, before I go digging around, I just want to make sure I know what I'm doing!


 * You can check the help page to start with, also the Citing Sources page to help you with citations and references. Also, don't forget to sign your posts with ~ . Chuck (talk) 18:07, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Tense
When I was editing the page on Mila from Wind Waker, Pakkun informed me not to use past-tense. This surprises me! If I'm not allowed to write in past-tense (was, said, did, etc.), than what?! My second guess would be future, like "Link must" instead of "Link had to". —ℕʘℬʘⅅㄚℕʘ1 (ㄒaʟҡ) 04:55, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Image Upload Help
I have a .png of Rauru facing forward that I screen captured from playing OoT. I've changed the background to a white background from the original screen captured one; I don't know how to remove the background completely. I'd like to upload the image but I know that we need to properly reference it and have the background removed. Can someone help me with that? Any help would be appreciated, thank you. Oniriku (talk) 01:23, 18 August 2014 (UTC)


 * You can upload the image with the background (preferably in .png) and add it to the Image Requests page so other user can remove the background for you. Or you can try it yourself using this tutorial. Chuck (talk) 02:48, 18 August 2014 (UTC)