User talk:Chuck

Order - Deku Sticks
Hey there! Good job on your Deku Sticks page update! But why did you removed the part about the upgrades that said that they can be get in any order? Right now, calling them "first upgrade" and "second upgrade" make it seem like they are ordered. Which they aren't, right? MannedTooth (talk) 04:36, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * They can be obtained in any order, but I placed them in the order they are most likely obtained, being the Business Scrub found first. 05:51, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Even though, as a neutral "encyclopedia" and not a walkthrough guide, shouldn't this be mentioned? The way I see things, it's giving false information to the reader. Let's take a speedrunner for example, adding a simple sentence saying that they can be obtained in any order may help them a lot. Right now, it's misleading. MannedTooth (talk) 06:06, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Phoeni
First off, my apologies for the time you had to take to revert my edits. I had my reasons for doing so (even though I was wrong). So, is there anything I can do to help you clean that mess before we elaborate on this? Again, sorry. MannedTooth (talk) 05:21, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Everything has been reverted now. Adding to what was said in the summary, there's no need to change the name of the characters in the other games when they're called ??? in-game in MM and Hand in the OoX guide. Phoebi only applies to the character in SS. 05:51, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, here's my principal train of thoughts for these edits: I thought that Phoeni (or ???, whatever you want to call it/her), was the same throughout all the games it appeared, kind of like Link, Zelda and Ganondorf. I thought that in the first game, ??? was called like that because they wanted to leave some mystery to the player, but then later revealed in later games her real name, a lot like Sheik's gender/true identity.


 * About what you said about leaving its name to ??? because it was the name in the latest game it appeared, that sounds fine to me, except for a re-make. For the visual aspect of the thing, I can get it, but for a character's name, that sounds weird. Let's say we have a secret character named "Unknown" in a game named "Game1", years later, in "Game2", it is clearly stated that its name is "Known". When the company re-makes "Game1" as "Game1 HD", the character is once again named "Unknown", and that's just fine, because it's a re-make of the game, nothing should change in the story, only the graphics. So, "Known" would "lose" its name and become "Unknown" once again? Anyway, I love to debate about these kind of things, don't take it as an harassment, it really isn't. :) MannedTooth (talk) 06:06, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The characters from MM and OoA are clearly not the same as the one from SS, especially since they're clearly based on a male rather than a female. This actually makes me think that maybe Phoebi should be split from the ??? page. About remakes, they are more than just the same game but with better graphics, they tend to fix mistakes and even add new characters and places, thus, they superseed the original version of the game.
 * And I also forgot to mention that, when doing such a big move or change, it's better to discuss it in a talk page before actually doing it. 07:12, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * What makes you think it's "clearly" a male in MM and OoA? And yeah, thinking about it, a change like this could definitely be considered. MannedTooth (talk) 08:17, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The fact that it uses the same voice clip as a male character (Mikau), but that shouldn't really matter anymore as it was confirmed to be neuter by the MM3D guide. 17:47, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Spaces and standardization
Concerning this edit, why is a change like this unneeded? This can save page's place which make the wiki and the page load faster. Also, we should have (maybe we do, I'm kind of new on the Zelda wiki) an official guideline for each kind of main pages (characters, items, etc.) saying the correct order of things etc, kind of like the skeleton of a page that we would need to fill out. Also, the infobox templates shouldn't have useless spaces for each arguments, that just adds extra weight to the wiki/page, so why? Why not change this? I've started to "standardize" all the characters, but seeing how you undid this edit, I'm not sure if I should continue anymore. MannedTooth (talk) 08:17, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Having everything cramped makes it harder to read when editing, and such a minor thing shouldn't significantly affect the loading time of the page. We do have a guideline for each type of page, found here . 17:47, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay! MannedTooth (talk) 20:02, 2 January 2017 (UTC)