Talk:The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds

Eiji Aonuma's Quote
I need some help with a citation. I'm trying to quote Eiji Aonuma in Vol. 270 (p. 20) of Nintendo Power. It's broken right now. Linebeck IV 23:56, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Doesn't seem broken to me. You did it just fine! 03:10, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Unfortunately, though, it doesn't credit Aonuma with the quote. HEY GUYS, OVER HERE! YOU KNOW THAT QUOTE ON THE CONTENT PAGE? EIJI AONUMA SAID IT! Now everyone will know. :P Linebeck IV 03:25, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Predecessor?
How do we know its predecessor is SS undefined? The new game hasn't even been revealed yet.  h fc 2 X  07:17, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * That's precisely why Skyward Sword is the predecessor. It's not speaking through an in-universe chronological perspective, but rather a real-world perspective. It will be the next new addition to the series (barring The Wind Waker HD, but that doesn't count, as it's a remake), so it's safe to say that Skyward Sword is the predecessor. Unless, of course, the new Wii U title comes out first, but the developers recently stated that they will require more time on that. 10:05, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Game announced, it IS The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 2
New top-down 2D Zelda with multi floored dungeons and set in the same world as A Link to the Past. Known as Kamigami no Triforce 2 in Japan, referred to simply as "The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past" on the Europe Nintendo Direct. Suggest we move the page to The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 2 until they settle on an inevitably different title for the final game. 15:21, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't forget to change the games template to reflect this. Linebeck IV 19:53, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be better to rename the page The Legend of Zelda: Kamigami no Triforce 2 since that was the name stated in the Japanese Nintendo Direct? There's no name for the American version yet, so ALTTP2 isn't all that accurate, right? - Erebus 00:27, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Most likely it will be changed, like Luigi's Mansion 2 later became Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon. (Though I understand that only happened in the US.) Change it if you want to but be prepared to change it again when the game comes out. Mahboi 02:06, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


 * While not the actual name, it's listed as The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past on the UK Nintendo Direct, so, placing a 2 on the end isn't too crazy for the moment, especially as Kamigami no Triforce 2 basically means the same thing. However, it sounds nicer, and A Link to the Past 2 almost certainly WON'T be what it's called... but then I doubt it'll be called Kamigami no Triforce 2 in Japan either. I don't mind if we use the Kamigami no Triforce 2 name for the moment, whatever people think sounds nice, this name is only placeholder. 03:03, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * "especially as Kamigami no Triforce 2 basically means the same thing" <-- YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER. Requesting move to Kamigami no Triforce 2 simply because this phrase was uttered (and because yes, adding a 2 really is stretching things). Sorry for the rudeness. ZeldaDoritos 10:20, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * That comment was not constructive in the least. Assuming good faith applies to talk pages as well, so please think twice before posting stuff like that. Acknowledging that it's rude doesn't excuse the fact. 11:26, 23 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Kamigami no Triforce (THE GAME) = A Link to the Past (THE GAME) in English. You know exactly what I meant. And I'm against moving it to that title simply because this title is already widely used and easy to search for and much more understandable to a western audience, which is what this wiki is for. I am one of the biggest proponents of Japanese information on this wiki, but in this instance there's simply no advantage to moving the page, as the game has NO official title in English OR Japanese (contrary to belief, it wasn't really used as part of the actual title in the Japanese Nintendo Direct, and certainly didn't appear as a logo, it was just described as Kamigami no Triforce 2). 14:10, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm baaaack~


 * No comment is going to be constructive when you completely ignore it.


 * Whether or not the two are "the same" is irrelevant. Further, all this "understandable" talk is nonsense, and always will be. This has nothing to do with Japanese diddly-squat, but with what's fact. We're supposed to deal in facts above all else; making up anything that's meant to be a fact is wrong, period. What's important: the game was properly announced and described as "Kamigami no Triforce 2". Until "The Legend of Zelda" becomes more than a tentative title, we should use what is the closest thing to a correct title.


 * This is such a basic principle that it makes me feel awful that I ever have to remind people of it. ZeldaDoritos 05:48, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The name A Link to the Past 2, while perhaps not 100% official, has caught on throughout the Internet and is the most commonly used name for the game, even on major websites like IGN. That's why it warrants status as a tentative title. Linebeck IV 09:59, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

ZeldaDoritos, you need to check your attitude. It's perfectly fine to disagree, but there's absolutely no reason to be so blatantly rude. Please put more thought into what you post instead of insulting other editors. 22:10, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The point is, if something has been officially translated (even in part), then we should be using the official translation. In this case, "Kamigami no Triforce" has been officially translated as "A Link to the Past". Until we get the English title of the game, we should use the official translation of the Japanese title, which is "The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 2". -- Snorlax Monster  14:15, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * To call "A Link to the Past" a translation of "Kamigami no Toraifoosu" is...just terribly disengenuous, although I guess "maintain the earlier localizations" is a reasonable guideline. That being said, the franchise has been correcting some of the earlier super-bad localizations as time goes on.KrytenKoro 20:22, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Timeline confused?
Is this Link the same from A Link to the Past/Oracle series/Link's Awakening? I'm confused :/--Isamisa 15:32, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think it is clear yet, whether he is the same Link or not. We'll have to wait for more information to come out :) Zeldafan1982 17:05, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Release Date
When is the game set to be released in European Countries??? &lt;i&gt;Xanthium&lt;/i&gt; 14:10, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Late 2013, around the same time as North America, most likely. As far as I know the actual release dates are yet to be announced. 20:28, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Title
The subtitle is announced, A Link Between Worlds


 * Someone please comfort me by saying the games icon on this wiki (http://zeldawiki.org/images/1/16/Zelda_3DS.png) is going to be replaced with this (http://zeldawiki.org/images/c/cc/Link-ALBW.png) or something similar. Sikora 11:07, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * WOW I agreed with you before I even saw this, man. Egypto-link is mega creepy. I uploaded a haphazardly cropped icon of his face for that very purpose. 11:40, 12 June 2013 (UTC) WHY DOESEN'T MY SIGNATURE KEEP ITS FONT?!!?!?


 * I'm planning on taking care of it, but it's exam week for me at school so free time has been hard to come by. Rest assured I'll get around to it as soon as I am able. (Unless another staff member beats me to the punch.) 18:25, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Capitalization
This page was recently moved so that the "between" is no longer capitalized. While I might normally agree, all the instances of the title on the official website for the game and its E3 details have the "between" capitalized. I suggest a move back to the original based on these findings. 03:52, 14 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I would argue that that's simply because the people writing the website don't pay any more attention to this than most people do (for what it's worth, The Price Is Right frequently capitalizes its own name incorrectly, too, so it's hardly an isolated incident), but I'm not going to make a federal case of it if it gets changed back. -TPIRFanSteve 03:55, 14 June 2013 (UTC)


 * That's all true. I guess we need to decide whether we want to be grammatically correct at the expense of "officialness" or if we want to stick to the information provided by Nintendo. Based on my observations of operations here in the past, I'm guessing the latter will take precedence. It's my personal preference, too. But I'll also defer to the majority. 05:41, 14 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't think I've ever seen the "B" lowercase in any of Nintendo's official materials. It's also capitalized in the official YouTube video, on the Nintendo's Facebook, and even on the logo File:A_Link_Between_Worlds_logo.png. I think the official spelling capitalizes the "B". There are no hard rules when it come to capitalizing prepositions, but many manuals of style do allow capitalization of prepositions if they are four or five characters or longer. (http://www.dailywritingtips.com/rules-for-capitalization-in-titles/) Password 08:17, 14 June 2013 (UTC)


 * If Nintendo capitalizes the "B," then I think we should do the same. Compare it to why people don't correct the title of The Pursuit of Happyness when referring to Chris Gardner's memior (or the movie). 10:16, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we should not be taking a title and applying our own capitalization standards to it, we should be using Nintendo's. It is permissible to capitalize "between" in titles in some standards, and rather than picking our own we should follow Nintendo's. -- Snorlax Monster  11:25, 14 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Technically both are correct. The title was formatted using the Chicago Manual of Style, which leaves the preposition "between" without capitalization. However, major sites such as the official Nintendo site, Wikipedia, Gamespot & IGN capitalize it, using the Associated Press style of formatting. The AP style is equally correct, so it is more appropriate to follow suit. -Knight of Hyrule  13:39, 14 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I'd rather we follow Nintendo's style. It's what we always do. 14:10, 14 June 2013 (UTC)


 * If Nintendo themselves have capitalized the "B" multiple times, I think that we should follow suit. If anybody really wants to make a note of the error, however, then maybe they could find a way to implement this template. Personally, I feel that this would be unnecessary, but it's one way of solving things. 16:55, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

I support all-or-nothing when it comes to title capitalization. I realize between is a pretty long preposition and may look somewhat awkward when lower-cased, but that's English for you. Love it or hate it; but bending the rules on subjective whims isn't really a good idea. Our language is already riddled with exceptions. Why add more? That not only confuses readers with inconsistencies, but partly makes us look like incompetent editors. (sorry, no offense guys)

It should be noted that people debate similar usage when it comes to titles like "Somewhere over the Rainbow" or "From out of Nowhere." I imagine the original artist / developer capitalizing the prepositional elements was (at least partly) unaware of standards for title capitalization in English. We can assume as much about Nintendo. After all, I strongly doubt it's capitalized with intent. (which would be what, exactly?) Bear in mind, this game is still in development overseas. Their Japanese offices aren't terribly familiar with the finer points of English grammar, and that often shines through when we see obvious cases of Engrish making their way into localizations.

Anyway, my vote goes for "A Link between Worlds." Granz (talk) 05:34, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Uh, I should elaborate on that first sentence. By "all-or-nothing," I mean adhere to the rules with total consistency, or just don't bother trying to render a grammatical title in the first place. If need be, get advice from someone who is more familiar with these standards, or have them create the title for you. Granz (talk) 05:41, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * ...If I may ask, what's with the near-racism? (let me guess, someone's going to faux-PC me into oblivion for calling out someone else's rudeness) Why even guess something that's not at all obvious? English grammar is an inconsistent mess to the point where native English speakers don't really get most of it. "A Link between Worlds" isn't wrong because of anything to do (or not do) with English grammar, it's wrong because titles are divorced from any language and must be upheld as much as is physically possible; attempting to force a system of ever-changing rules on a static and eternal title is the real "subjectiveness". ZeldaDoritos (talk) 17:15, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Although I agree that the title should be as is published, it's not "near-racism" to admit that NoJ sometimes has trouble with the finer points of English grammar and spelling...just like it's not near-racism to admit that the reverse is also true for NoA. It's called honesty, not near-racism.KrytenKoro (talk) 19:26, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Look here, new info!
Please look at the video in this site: http://www.factornews.com/news-38334-A_Link_Between_Worlds_Iwata_nous_parle_d.html. It tells us about the way to warp between worlds. The site is in French, but the vid is in English. &#60;i&#62;Xanthium&#60;/i&#62; (talk) 16:14, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Items (SPOILERS)
Just for reference, please remove as the pages are updated:


 * Notes:
 * Dungeon Treasures are all optional, except for the Lamp
 * All of Ravio's items originally come in "Rented" versions with his symbol crafted into them, then can be bought permanently for exorbitant prices
 * All "Nice" versions of Ravio's items are obtained by talking to Mama Maiamai for each 10 Maiamai's rescued


 * Items
 * Heart: Various
 * Energy Potion: Various
 * Rupee (Green, Blue, Red, Purple, Silver, Gold): Various
 * Piece of Heart: Various, collectible
 * Heart Container: After each dungeon boss, every four Pieces of Heart
 * Maiamai Map: Speak with Mother Maiamai
 * Maiamai: Various after obtaining Maiamai Map, collectible


 * Captain's Sword (quest item): Recieved for delivery by blacksmith
 * Forgotten Sword: Captain's Sword, usable after Seres is assaulted
 * Master Sword: In Lost Woods, after obtaining all three Pendants
 * Master Sword Lv2: Forge from Master Sword with Hyrule Blacksmith after obtaining two Master Ore
 * Master Sword Lv3: Forge from Master Sword Lv2 with Lorule Blacksmith after obtaining two more Master Ore
 * Master Ore: Lorule Sanctuary Treasure, Palace of Darkness Treasure, Thieves' Hideout Treasure, Skull Woods Treasure
 * Shield: Buy for 50 rupees from shops
 * Hylian Shield: Turtle Rock Treasure
 * Green Tunic: Default
 * Blue Mail: Swamp Palace Treasure
 * Red Mail: Lorule Castle Treasure (not sure whether you have to have Blue Mail first)
 * Power Glove: Talk to Rosso after receiving Bell
 * Titan's Mitt: Desert Palace Treasure
 * Ravio's Bracelet: Received from Ravio after being knocked out in Sanctuary; powers unlocked after defeating Yuga in Eastern Palace
 * Bee Badge: Sell Golden Bee to Bee Guy
 * Stamina Scroll: Ice Ruins Treasure
 * Smooth Gem (quest item): Buy from rug merchant for X rupees after speaking with Zora at Zora's Domain after receiving Bell, give to Oren for Zora's Flippers
 * Pegasus Boots: Sneak up on Shady Guy after speaking with Zora at Zora's Domain after receiving Bell
 * Zora's Flippers: Receive from Queen Oren after giving her the Smooth Gem
 * Charm/Pendant of Courage: Received from Zelda after first encounter
 * Pendant of Wisdom: House of Gales Relic
 * Pendant of Power: Tower of Hera Relic
 * Sage Oren: Swamp Palace Relic, kidnapped after clearing House of Gales
 * Sage Osfala: Thieves' Hideout Relic (necessary to unlock Sand Rod for rent/purchase), kidnapped at end of Eastern Palace
 * Sage Gulley: Palace of Darkness Relic, kidnapped after clearing Eastern Palace
 * Sage Rosso: Ice Ruins Relic, kidnapped after clearing Tower of Hera
 * Sage Irene: Desert Palace Relic, kidnapped after clearing Tower of Hera OR after clearing both Tower of Hera and House of Gales(?)
 * Sage Impa: Turtle Rock Relic, kidnapped....when?
 * Sage Seres: Skull Woods Relic, kidnapped at end of Sanctuary
 * Triforce of Courage: Receive after rescuing all seven Sages (does not appear in inventory)
 * Monster Tail: Various, sellable
 * Monster Horn: Various, sellable
 * Monster Guts: Various, sellable
 * Bell: Speak with Irene after completing Eastern Palace
 * Pouch: Receive at Gulley's grove after completing Eastern Palace
 * Hint Glasses: Talk to Hyrule Fortuneteller
 * Play Coins: xxx obtained with Hint Glasses, additional coin every 100 steps (max 10 per day, max 300 total), SYSTEM-WIDE (across savefiles)
 * Lamp: Sanctuary Treasure (mandatory)
 * Super Lamp: Clear the Treacherous Tower on Advanced, first time
 * Net: Talk to Bee Guy
 * Super Net: Clear the Treacherous Tower on Advanced, second time
 * Bottle: Donate 3000 rupees to Great Rupee Fairy, find in shallows near Zora's Domain and complete Hiker quest to empty, buy from rug vendor in Kakariko, speak with Bird Lover under bridge, chest in Vacant House
 * Heart: Various, random, consumable
 * Fairy: Fairy fountains, random, consumable
 * Bee: Randomly under grass or in trees, purchase in Lorule shops, consumable, sellable
 * Golden Bee: Randomly under grass or in trees, purchase in Lorule shops for 9999 Rupees, purchase from man in Skull Woods once for 888 Rupees, consumable, sellable
 * Apple: Dash into certain trees, consumable
 * Green Apple: ?, consumable
 * Letter in a Bottle: Found in bottle, part of Hiker sidequest, consumable
 * Premium Milk: Give letter to Milk Bartender, part of Hiker sidequest, consumable
 * Milk: Buy from Milk Bartender for 20/10 Rupees, consumable
 * Red Potion: Buy from Witch for 50 Rupees, consumable
 * Blue Potion: Buy from Witch for ? Rupees and 10 Monster Tails, consumable
 * Yellow Potion: Buy from Witch for ? Rupees and 10 Monster Horns, consumable
 * Purple Potion: Buy from Witch for ? Rupees and 10 Monster Guts, consumable
 * Foul Fruit: Buy for 30 rupees from shops, consumable
 * Scoot Fruit: Buy for ? rupees from shops, consumable
 * Bow of Light: Defeat Yuganon's first form
 * Bow: Receive from Ravio as free rental after reading his signs at Eastern Palace gate; rent/purchase from Ravio for ?/? rupees
 * Hammer: Rent/purchase from Ravio for ?/? rupees after receiving Bell
 * Bomb: Rent/purchase from Ravio for ?/? rupees after receiving Bell
 * Hookshot: Rent/purchase from Ravio for ?/? rupees after receiving Bell
 * Boomerang: Rent/purchase from Ravio for ?/? rupees after receiving Bell
 * Fire Rod: Rent/purchase from Ravio for ?/? rupees after receiving Bell
 * Ice Rod: Rent/purchase from Ravio for ?/? rupees after receiving Bell
 * Tornado Rod: Rent/purchase from Ravio for ?/? rupees after receiving Bell
 * Sand Rod: Rent/purchase from Ravio for ?/? rupees after rescuing Sage Osfala