Talk:Hero's Spirit


 * March-August 09

Stalfos?
Is it realy a Stalfos? He isn't a skeleton like the other stalfos, just his face (which can be a mask or something)... maybe he is a ghost or something, but not a real stalfos. Is there any source, that say he is one ore is it just an idea of someone--Soran 07:41, 1 January 2012 (EST)


 * Despite what kind of species people consider him, I'm still pretty sure that he's a Stalfos.--Prince Ludwig 22:52, 21 February 2012 (EST)

Merge
I'm not clear on what the policy is on covering "forms of a character", but if you guys usually cover all the forms on the one page, it would probably be best to merge this guy in.

Then again, I've always been a bit confused by covering all the Links in one article, so I don't really have an opinion either way on this.KrytenKoro 09:38, 3 January 2012 (EST)


 * I disagree. Although it IS Link, just like how Young Link and Toon Link get their page, I think this character also deserves its own page. Plus, that Link page is already way too big as is... Dany36 16:29, 3 January 2012 (EST)


 * I say keep it separate, unless when we want to split all the Links into their own articles, then merge it with the Hero of Time's article.


 * I also am in favor of keeping them separate. 21:34, 13 January 2012 (EST)

Ancestor/Descendant
Since we know this is Link from the Hero of Time, and that he is Link from TP's ancestor...can we posit from that that OoT Link absolutely did not end up marrying Zelda? Since TP Link is some farmboy not even from Hyrule proper...so not only did OoT Zelda rip the universe into three separate timelines, dooming two of them and cursing Link to become an undead horror in the third, but she didn't even date him.

Ha.KrytenKoro 00:14, 7 February 2012 (EST)
 * Ha, that's an interesting point. Considering how much she screws up, she's probably doing him a favour. :P Ekim 22:50, 19 February 2012 (EST)

Common counters - Stalfos
Some common counters to the theory that the Hero's Spirit is a Stalfos are that the Hero's Spirit is physically a Golden Wolf and only exists in skeletal form in a strange white realm. All other Stalfos are reanimated skeletons but the Hero's Spirit is, as the name implies, a spirit. Furthermore, the Hero of Time could not have become a Stalfos directly after his adventure in Termina because he was a child at the time and children turn into Skull Kids, not Stalfos. Furthermore, Twilight Princess Link is his descendant so the Hero of Time must have started a family somewhere, most likely in Hyrule as that's where Twilight Princess takes place, before dying. Lastly, there is no good canonical source that states Majora's Mask's intro was even in the Lost Woods; all canonical sources just name it "a mysterious forest". Dekler (talk) 23:32, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Basically, what I'm trying to say here is that the theory is faced with fierce opposition and should either be edited or removed entirely. Dekler (talk) 04:33, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree that the theory can be removed. The fact that OoT Link must have started a family after MM is a major problem with the theory and it's not the only one, so.. Zeldafan1982 (talk) 15:59, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Link's regret, not Link's soul
I have had to change this page a couple of times because people keep changing it back (all in the same day). The Hero's Spirit is not actually Link from Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask. The reason for this is that all Links (except from the adult timeline as the only person with the Spirit of the Hero in this timeline left it) have the same soul. They are reincarnations of each other. If we look at it logically then the Hero's Shade would have to be the personification and manifestation of the regret of Link from Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, not his actual soul. The other option is that the child timeline no longer has any Link with the Spirit of the Hero, but since Ganon/Ganondorf keeps comes back in Four Swords Adventure, after he was killed, as well as Twilight Princess, which makes sense as he did not actually die in the child timeline, then that means Demise's curse on Link is still there, meaning that they do have the Spirit of the Hero. From this information we can see that the Hero's Spirit is not Link's soul, it is his regret. We should not be saying that he is actually Link's soul and instead saying he is the manifestation of Link's regret.
 * The Hyrule Historia outright says its the same Link, soooo...no.KrytenKoro (talk) 21:58, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, as an owner of the Hyrule Historia, I can say it does NOT say they are the same person. It says that "The spirit of Link's ancestor, the Hero of Time, teaches him his secrets." Now, even though most people do not know this, spirit and soul are NOT the same thing.. In some cases they are interchangeable, but when the soul of Link is supposed to be in all the Links (with the exception of the adult timeline) then we must look at the other things spirit could mean. We then look into more than just current day uses and the uses in the area we live and we see that soul is usually in reference of life while spirit is in mention of the immaterial part of people. When we look at that we can see that the lamentation and regret are part of the spirit of the Hero of Time and not part of his soul. Then, when we consider that the soul is supposed to be in Link from Twilight Princess, and that Demise's curse is in effect on that Link, we can see that the immaterial part of the Hero of Time cannot be his soul, but something that the new Link does not have. What the new Link does not have that the Hero of Time did is the experiences, the memories, and the emotions. Those then must be the spirit referred to in the Hyrule Historia. When we see that, then we see that the Hero's Spirit is not the soul of the Hero of Time as many believe it to be, but is the emotions, the memories, and the experiences of the Hero of Time in physical form. Is it still the Hero of Time? In a sense, yes. Is it the soul of the Hero of Time? No. Soul and spirit are not always interchangeable, and that is where the misunderstanding comes in.