Talk:Main Page/Archive 7

Merge Voting
Anytime there was an article to be merged, it would be decided with discussion which was an effective method considering the pros and cons of merging was considered. Now, it seems like we've taken over a new system of merging in which case the merge is decided by yes/no votes. This system is convenient, sure, but it's not exactly the best option. For one, there is no discussion. Which, discussion is necessary :P I'm thinking we need to go back to the old way of doing merges (discussing the merge first as opposed to voting). Discuss! 22:56, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree, discussing is a more effective way of deciding things, and lets people debate with one another on important facts than simply voting. 22:59, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * It should be quality over quantity. It's nice to separate the pros and cons, and discussion is always important. I'm repeating myself, but opinions shouldn't be counted. They should be weighed for their worth. Noble Wrot 23:16, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * While discussion does follow the voting system sometimes, I'm definitely for old system that looks at the actual articles as opposed to a thin yes/no vote. It would give a more in-depth look as to why an article was chosen to merge, and if it is legitimate enough for such. 23:32, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree. I'm not really sure how it started, but it seems as though whenever anything is proposed, a vote is set up immediately. There is no time to debate the changes before a decision is hastily made. Back to the old system it is, I say. 01:04, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, so the general consensus is to go back to the original system/discussion system? Sounds good to me. The voting wasn't an actual written decision to begin with; people just got into the habit. So, any more comments? :) 02:45, January 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * I can't really say much that hasn't already been brought up here. The comments here basically echo my thoughts. But I'll say it anyway so I can make my view clear. I can say that more often than not, the quick and easy path is usually the wrong one that tends to lead to very poor decisions being made in haste. It would be better to discuss these merge and splitting actions over a protracted period of time rather than rushed. It's not like the wiki is going anywhere. For such decisions I believe people can afford to wait for a more proper decision to be made after all the implications of the proposed action have been laid out. In a voting situation, people tend to ignore the input of the other side even more so than they do in a standard discussion situation, which we well know was already rather solid to begin with. In a related note, I am almost thinking that formal voting situations like this should be strongly discouraged outside of the officially sanctioned Featured Content voting. Largely because it tends to be counterproductive, and also because it would be a practical impossibility to rigidly regulate it. A case in point is that many seem to believe that a couple people agreeing with an action is enough to move forward with it, often less than a day from its proposal. Lacking the rigid regulation such as that with featured images. People forget that wiki editing is for the large part just a hobby and it's often hard for enough people to know what is going on at once. And everyone can't be on it all the time. A substantial amount of time should be given to such major actions. I have seen very bad things happen to this place because people get impatient. Some actions involve consequences that people often ignore. A simple example is naming of pages. Often people just go trying to aim for accuracy while completely disregards things such as spoilers. We're editors of course we don't feel spoiled by the things we edit (for example Majora's Mask being the boss of that respective game, simple to us yet to someone new the game that would spoil a great deal). We take these things for granted because it feels so familiar to us. We forget that the readers are often young and new to the series. Being introduced to it with games like Twilight Princess, Phantom Hourglass, or Spirit Tracks. A great many are not as familiar with the older games as we are. This is but one small consequence of these quickly ruled actions. There are many more. But still it shows how we careless we get in our haste to get things done. 22:16, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Ancient Docs from the 85
Dunno if you have seen this, or if this is the place, but in an interview, some ancient documents of the TLOZ series were revealed. Interview --Tucayo 21:59, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Pssh. Yeah, that's old news to us :/
 * We're always on top of stuff like that :P 02:08, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool :) --Tucayo 22:24, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

SMW Interlinks
HI! I wanna ask, how did you make it so that when you go to "SMW:something" it redirects you to the SMW? I think it would be good to do the same in the SMW :) --Tucayo 23:03, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * What? Do you mean interwiki redirects? Because those are just normal redirects with interwiki prefixes, like "#REDIRECT smw:Mario" 03:37, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm.... but that wont work in the SMW, or so it looks... --Tucayo 20:39, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh. Must be some sort of setting chosen in the interwiki table. Try changing the entries and checking the "is local" box. 20:42, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reminding me, I'm gonna set something up at our Kirby Wiki (WiKirby) and see about getting it done here. It'll be a lot like the infobox field we have for Strategy wiki here. 20:28, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Other Media
Could we add links to separate media, such as 'How to Draw' pages, Important Articles, Wallpaper pages, etc, that are directly related to the article we place them in? An example would be like in the Spirit Tracks or Legend of Zelda pages, (For the Individual Games themselves), we could post links into a Separate Media section leading to the fan-art galleries in Zelda Dungeon. Could we do this? Nicktheslayer 14:41, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Although it may be a long read, all questions concerning our take on fan-art, other media and the like can be found here. Good question, and I do believe it has been answered at that location. 19:59, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, i understand the point of that 'debate', but thats not what im asking. Im asking if we should add a new type of section to each article, (If Possible), labeled "Other Media", for things like drawing tutiorials, videos (Such as game trailers, video walkthroughs, etc), craft tutorials, music downloads, etc... It wouldnt add to much to the info on the site, but it would make it less boring, and ge people more involved with the series as a whole. Nicktheslayer 02:42, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good enough for the Community Namespace. I'm thinking that might be just what we need to give the Community space a jolt of life. I suppose a few dedicated to the task and a strong organization plan would be the first step. Also this might help to get more affiliates, which we always want. 03:39, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I Personally dont know how to get this project going, and if there is a team, i wouldnt be a very reliable member, (At least i wouldnt be until tomorrow, that is, if my internet works then.) If youd like though, i can make a list of examples of Other Media, (Not links, but what we could link to), that we could use to add to the sections. Ill start on that now. Nicktheslayer 15:48, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Update, here are some ideas i had:
 * Examples of Other Media.
 * FanArt Galleries
 * How to Draw Tutorials (Video, or Illustrated)
 * CraftMaking Tutorials (Video, or Illustrated)
 * Recipes (Video, or Illustrated)
 * Music Downloads (Such as ZREO)
 * Im also thinking about Fanart galleries. I know the Midna picture that was fan-art was removed from the gallery for that reason, but im talking about a separate gallery just for fanart. Each picture would have the Title, Creator, and the site it came from in the caption. Like this: (Awesome Fanart by nicktheslayer of ZeldaWiki), or something along those lines. That way people can find what they are looking for, while staying on the site, and the creator would still be credited. Any comments on this?? Nicktheslayer 19:09, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Need to Update More
Hey guys. I think that you should update ZeldaWiki.org more often since I saw that Zelda.Wikia.com is updating. I also heard that Zelda.Wikia.com is better than ZeldaWiki.org from some YouTube users. Please put this suggestion into consederation. Thanks for your consederation! :D ZeldaHearts2010 8:04, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not quite sure what you mean about updating more often. If by that you mean making more edits, then I think that won't be a problem soon enough now that summer vacation is here for must of us. :D As for which wiki is better, that is pretty silly to argue since people are full of bias. ;) So don't worry too much about what other folk are saying. We'd really appreciate your help in making this wiki better, though! :) Thank you for your thoughts! Dany36 18:33, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Here is something interesting on the Gamespot forum. Jeangabin 18:52, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Just a comment: I like the addition of the "Did you know?" section to the main page. It makes it seem that yes, we are updating and making good articles. Rdnckj258 14:17, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Is it just me...
...Or has the Mastermind Dashboard suddenly stopped working? 02:09, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It does go off and on sometimes, I've noticed as well. Since Zelda Universe and Zelda Wiki share a server, it may occur as a product of their nightly backup, or it may be an unrelated issue, such as the recent Skyward Sword information influx, which has more than clogged the RSS feed for the past few days. It is back up and working on my computer, though. 16:57, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

So guys
How does it feel to have Nintendo popping out a remake of the "golden center" of all things Zelda as well as a new "revolutionary" Zelda game on the same console as the last main one? Sounds pretty familiar to me. TTEchidna 21:24, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No joke! I can't believe that the OoT remake is finally happening. Can't wait for more news! Dany36 01:17, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I nearly fainted when I saw the 3DS OOT screens! I'm pretty sure I'm looking forward to this more than Skyward Sword... I mean I have been waiting for it for 12 years... I'm so esctatic they finally decided to do it! 02:54, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think OoT remake is enough reason to get a 3DS :P --Tucayo 17:20, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

MAJOR ALERT!: OoT is back on top!
Guys! The Legend of Zelda: Ocarnia of Time is back on top! The 2 latest reviews got them back to 3rd place! Post it on the Master Dashboard. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarnia of Time is still the best video game in the world! (Scource: www.gamerankings.com) --AnymousPerson 18:33, 21 June 2010 (UTC) (I'm new!)
 * Thanks for the heads up! It really isn't up to ZW to post this on the dashboard, though, since the dashboard news come directly from the mastermind websites. Also, to link to the Ocarina of Time page, all you have to do is type this:, or just  , which will show up as Ocarina of Time. Simple, eh? ;) Dany36 18:41, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

OK, thanks! I was trying to say Ocarnina of Time and to appear as OoT. And I think it's like this: OoT Well, thanks! --AnymousPerson 20:36, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Reguarding Some Glitch & Hack Pages
I made these vile pages a [long] while ago, and pretty much forgot about them. I have some things to request and to talk about. Some of these could go on the talk page of each individual article, but it could very easily get confusing.
 * 1) Disproved Glitches: found here -the page is highly empty, only containing one so called "disproved glitch", and I doubt anyone ever saw it before. ...Let alone know it exists.  The whole thing is pointless, as it depends on how one determines if a glitch is "disproved", which is actually quite stupid in itself for everyone really just care about the glitches which work.  I think it should be deleted, and erased from the Glitches Template.
 * 2) The Glitches Project Page: found Glitches/Project_Page|here- This page is actually in the deletion category, but has been ignored. It features, in the most horrid way possible, a list of glitches which have yet to been categorized as "proven"/"disprove" in the form of a page filled with yellow links which leads to who knows where.  Oh, I almost forgot, it also has an empty section which is supposed to list "possible phony" glitches, and a list of how many glitches each glitch page has.  Really… I don't know what I was thinking when I set this up, but you guys have let this sit in the wiki for several months without a single thought.  The entire system is dead, as the last edit was by me on Jan 18 2010.  This should also be deleted and removed from the Glitches Template.
 * 3) The Hacks Pages-The entire system was modeled after the Glitches system, so the Hacks Project Page should also be deleted for the same reasons why the Glitch Project Page should be. Another flaw is the system of how we post hacks and reference them to other websites.  So far, all the hacks are under a single reference by one website, who is named in a section with the front as the page title itself.  It looks sloppy, as there is no way to reference them in such a way which actually looks good.  Also, as explained by Matt/Steve/one of the staff, since we are dealing with hacks/hacking in general, there is really an endless amount of possibilities.  With this, there is no way we can possibly list each one.  One last thing is similar to the Glitches Project Page, I doubt anyone has looked at them recently.  With all of that in mind, I think the pages I requested to be deleted should be deleted, and the Hacks page deleted or reorganized.  Your Energetic Wiki Editor,  03:54, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You make quite a few good points. I pretty support everything you said, as it all makes sense. Empty pages, unneeded stuff, impossible pages, etc. 04:22, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I've been trying to avoid this conversation as much as possible, but I guess now is the time to talk about it. It's pretty obvious that the wiki's Glitch/Hack section is the most lacking part of the wiki in all aspects. I agree with you, Austin. I think it needs a real overhaul and remodification of EVERYTHING. But the thing is, who is knowledgeable enough in glitches and hacks to actually look into every hack/glitch and legitimize each one, etc. It's a tough call - we definitely need these pages though, I mean look at the guys over at Zelda Chaos (look for their link in the Affiliates section of the wiki) - they specialize in glitch work and seem to be coming along just fine. Perhaps we can borrow ideas from them... 04:27, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm glad it came back to light. ...I just don't know why some of you were apparently ingoring it until I came back from my ZW hibernation.  04:37, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * We were worrying about other projects :P 04:43, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Zelda Universe Online Game?
(Sorry if this isn't the proper place to post this, but I'm new here and every wiki I've been to seems to have their own rules for what you can and can't put on the main talk page) I'm not sure, but I think the ESRB may have leaked an upcoming Zelda Online Game. When searching the ESRB website for Zelda game ratings, one of the games listed was called "Zelda Universe". The website claims that it's published by Nintendo, so it's unlikely that it is 3rd party or an unrelated game with a similar title. For proof, just search "zelda" at. It's near the bottom of the resulting list, between Majora's Mask and Oracle of Seasons. If anyone has more info on this game, that would also be appreciated, as I've never heard of this before.--Kirbychu HR&#39;D 13:10, 9 August 2010 (EDT)
 * Hate to break it to you, but Zelda Universe is also the name of Nintendo of America's official Zelda site: http://www.zelda.com/universe 16:57, 9 August 2010 (EDT)
 * Huh. Why is it rated by the ESRB, then? I thought they stopped their website rating system back in like 2006.--Kirbychu HR&#39;D 17:22, 9 August 2010 (EDT)
 * They probably rated it before 2006. According to web.archive.com, the site went online in 2003. 17:28, 9 August 2010 (EDT)
 * The closest you'll probably get to a Zelda MMO at this time is the Hyrule sim that's open in Second Life. NoREM 17:38, 9 August 2010 (EDT)

1200 Pixel Picture Breaking the Formatting
Why is the picture of the golden controller on the front page 1200 pixels across instead of being a thumbnail? --Nosh 07:33, 11 August 2010 (EDT)
 * It's being pulled in from http://zrss.stonewatchers.org/newsfeeds/?f=rss&zflist=Zelda+Wiki.org+Feed - not sure how to go about getting this fixed, but you're right, it's damn ugly. 07:45, 11 August 2010 (EDT)
 * Oh. I hadn't quite rationalised the fact that it was an RSS feed. Is there no provision for limiting/setting the size of images supplied by feeds? --Nosh 08:35, 11 August 2010 (EDT)

Er... {twiddles thumbs}
At the risk of sounding very inexperienced and noobish, I recall reading somewhere that anyone was allowed to make a WikiExclusive Article. So would I end up busted if I made one? Lord of the Stalfos Creatures - Stalfos Meeting Chamber 01:03, 5 September 2010 (EDT)


 * Yup, anyone can submit a wiki exclusive. Just give it to one of our active staff like Steve, Dany or myself. 05:10, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

'Give it' meaning...? Lord of the Stalfos Creatures - Stalfos Meeting Chamber 10:54, 5 September 2010 (EDT)
 * Email it by using the "Email this user" function found at the user's page in the toolbox to the left. :D Dany36 11:28, 5 September 2010 (EDT)

So basically make it out, email it, and wait? Lord of the Stalfos Creatures - Stalfos Meeting Chamber 11:35, 5 September 2010 (EDT)


 * Yep, if it gets accepted by the majority of the ZW staff, then you'll be notified and it will be posted as the new Wiki Exclusive on the main page. Dany36 11:43, 5 September 2010 (EDT)

so uh
Why so blue, and not, you know, GREEN? Also on Vector it's annoying to see the super blue templates.  --Co vah  '48  14:23, 18 December 2010 (EST)
 * Err...yeah... We don't really encourage people to use Vector while browsing ZW since the site is not customized to be used with that skin, only Monobook. Sorry! Dany36 15:12, 18 December 2010 (EST)
 * The blue looks very streamlined and unique as compared to many wikis on the net. Sure, green would make sense, but since we've been blue for almost 6 years now, it's become our style! 13:58, 2 January 2011 (EST)
 * I don't like arguments, but I don't agree with Cip. Sure, we've had it for a long time, but the same could be said about my brother's bad sense of fashion. Just because he wore the same style shirt for 10 years, it doesn't mean it's good. Anyway, it sounds like someone should do something about that vector skin. Maybe do a bit of experimentation with the skin color. Sounds like a challenge, eh? ;P 08:10, 3 January 2011 (EST)
 * For what my opinion's worth, I kinda like what we have right now, but I guess I'd have to see what you guys can put together... And if anyone can do it, it's you, Minion :P
 * While we're on the subject, I have to say I like the new main page. Lookin' good! 09:09, 3 January 2011 (EST)
 * Going green for a skin color would be... expected and predictable. If anything, this wiki is full of innovation, fresh ideas, and anything but conformity. Going with the blue is not only calming to the eyes, but unexpected for a Zelda Wiki. It's hot. 22:15, 21 February 2011 (EST)

This picture...
I'm not sure, but could this picture be put somewhere about the site? I don't know why, it's not anything near canon, but... :P Krizzy 19:47, 21 February 2011 (EST)
 * You are welcome to put a picture like that on your userpage. However, as far as the wiki goes, the picture has no serious relevance to the series (haha!), and thus does not belong anywhere in the mainspace, let alone anywhere but a userpage. That cat sure is cute though. 22:12, 21 February 2011 (EST)

Zeld 3DS
Hi guys, is there a possibility that the Zelda remake will be added to the main wiki page? Unlike to skyward sword, you know the complete story and even have some pictures, so the page will be done in no time, won't it? hero of courage


 * I think for now, it could be just a section within the Ocarina of Time page. It's kind of redundant because it's pretty much the same game with 3D slapped on, with a few possible differences. All of this could be fitted within a single section. It's like having a whole page just for the GBA version of Zelda II. What's the point if it's just going to be a stud or a mass copy and paste of material.--Kayle Lang 18:53, 23 March 2011 (EDT)
 * Your logic there is airtight, the analogy is not. Zelda II for GBA was a virtually identical port, i.e. little to nothing was changed from the original, if anything, it was only changes in the way the game was physically played on the GBA as compared to the NES. With OoT3D, we have an entirely reworked graphical style, significant differences in the interface, item usage, and gameplay in general, and the game itself incorporates a fully integrated 3D experience, one that Ocarina of Time only partially accomplished. For a similar reason why we split the Link's Awakening and Link's Awakening DX (both have differences significant enough to warrant separate pages), these should remain separate as well. This will also help curb the likelihood of a lengthy, messy OOT article in the future (and will cut down on loading time). 10:27, 24 March 2011 (EDT) EDIT: as for the main page, I believe that since it is just going to be a remake, the Ocarina of Time button will remain alone (unless we decide to include all games at one point). This is consistent with all other remakes/ports, such as Link's Awakening DX and Master Quest, that also do not have buttons on the amin page.  10:29, 24 March 2011 (EDT)

Getting started
So I am kinda new and how do I make a user page I read the help guide on getting started but am still a little confused. sorry if this doesn't go here like I said I joined just last night

Errors
The wiki continues to be ridden with numerous errors, such as general failure in some of the templates, and many of the articles, including skyward sword and skeikiah stone, are often unavailable. Is this related to the server upgrade, or is it something new? 09:38, 20 June 2011 (EDT)
 * Yeah, we apologize for the inconvenience. We're having problems with the server and we're trying to fix everything as soon as possible. Try refreshing the page if the article seems to be unavailable or has weird coding on it. Once again, sorry! D: Thank you for your understanding. Dany36 15:32, 20 June 2011 (EDT)
 * I hope you guys are not having a hard time. If people get curious about SS they will be disappointed :( Kajaladorf 13:38, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

News
Is the news breaking the home page? It seems like every time there's a new news story, more and more of the main page disappears. Now pretty much everything has vanished except for the news. I can't search for anything and the navigation on the left side is completely missing. I only managed to get to the talk page by manually typing it out in the URL. Jo the Marten ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  04:10, 13 August 2011 (EDT)


 * Yes, the RSS feed broke the Main Page. It should be better now, since the newer posts pushed the broken post out. The source of the problem has been found, and steps are being taken to prevent it from happening again. We apologize for any inconvenience it may have caused. 06:52, 13 August 2011 (EDT)


 * Hm, doesn't seem any different to me yet. But good luck with getting the issue fixed. :) Jo the Marten  ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  09:38, 13 August 2011 (EDT)

european countdown
The most states in europe have the CET (central european time). The countdown here is for the WET (west european time), which is just use in 3 states in europe (britain, irland and portugal).

here is a map http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Time_zones_of_Europe.svg

I think we should change the countdown to cet.--Soran 19:19, 15 October 2011 (EDT)


 * I never knew one hour made that much difference, especially since most shops aren't open past midnight anyway. :P Still, you're right, and the timer will be changed. 06:17, 16 October 2011 (EDT)

Image Maps
This has been bugging me for a while. It seems like since the server move, all the image maps have suddenly stopped functioning. I tried to take a look and see if I could fix them but I'm not sure what the problem is. Have we updated to the new image map type? 08:56, 6 November 2011 (EST)


 * As I understand it, the problem with the imagemap extension is one that can only be solved from the server end. We've been trying to get a hold of Jason so we can get this fixed, but nothing has come of it yet. Rest assured the staff is just as frustrated as you are and we're doing everything we can to get this fixed. Unfortunately, without Jason, who currently owns ZW's server, we can't do much. 09:26, 6 November 2011 (EST)

The Masterminds...
The masterminds section on the first screen is kind of uh... out of the screen. I have to zoom out all the way to 25% to even see any of the headlines.... Which really sucks because it work just yesterday, not only that it`s how I get my Zelda news...Steahl 20:26, 6 November 2011 (EST)
 * Could you provide us a screenshot of how it looks for you? Also, what browser (and version) are you using? Dany36 23:10, 6 November 2011 (EST)
 * Oh I guess I got worried for nothing. It was probably my computer because it's working fine now. I will keep my eyes on it though. Steahl 15:47, 7 November 2011 (EST)

Count down?
The count down says its 8 days left to the realese of Skyward Sword in Europe, but its 9 days here in Europe. . . Its the 9th November, and 9+9=18. Can someone change it? Wolf Link95


 * No... Because it's perfectly correct. Unless where you are it's 0:00am than no. Here is how it works. Here is the math:

The games release date: 20th November. Date 12th. So some would say it's 8 days until the game is released right? But that's incorrect unless it is 0hours and the game is release at midnight. But in reality it's 9:52am. To end the day you need 14:08 hours. At that point it's the 13th. So the timer is set at 7 days 14:08 hours to go. Sorry if my phrase structure is terrible... I hope someone can fix this explaination. Steahl 09:51, 12 November 2011 (EST)


 * Thanks, now I understand! Wolf Link95 21:03, 12 November 2011 (CET)


 * I am glad you understood what I wrote xP. If you have any other questions feel free to ask. Steahl 15:03, 12 November 2011 (EST)

Countdown (not the same as above)
You're still counting down for the European release of Skyward Sword, and now the main page displays negative amounts of time … You should get rid of Europe's countdown. Elink42 21:05, 17 November 2011 (EST)
 * Thanks for the reminder. It's down now. 22:31, 17 November 2011 (EST)

Many Demon lords
I realize this is the wrong place to put this, but I can't think of a better place...

Prior to release, I recall seeing dialogue by Ghirahim such as "She is of no use to us" or "We" etc. There were plenty of other pieces of dialogue that strongly suggests that Ghirahim is merely A demon lord, not THE demon lord.

This is further evidenced by the title sequence where you can see Ghirahim's stylized silhouette among 5 others, with the imprisoned in the center.

Therfore, I feel that a page for "Demon Lords" as a group should be made Jabberwock xeno 20:37, 21 November 2011 (EST)
 * Given recent information, the only two "Demon Lords" in Skyward Sword are Ghirahim and Demise/the Imprisoned, so creating a "Demon Lord" page may end up as an unnecessary redundancy. We have no information on the other three "Demon Lords" referenced in the game's introduction, so we can't even speculate as to who/what they would be. What we can do is make a disambiguation for "Demon Lord" and link to both Ghirahim and Demise in it. 00:59, 25 November 2011 (EST)

Countdown should end now...
Okay guys, it's been two days since the release of Skyward Sword in Australia, and the main page still hasn't been updated. The countdown is now listing the days as -2. It needs updating. The Goron Moron 22:05, 24 November 2011 (EST)
 * Good catch, GM. I've turned the countdown into a statement-like announcement. The entire template will be removed come the 1st of the year - by that time, Skyward Sword will have had a month in stores and the hype will have died down. 00:55, 25 November 2011 (EST)