Talk:Princess Hilda

Sabrina Trivia
Unsure if it's worth noting as Trivia here - given that Hilda seems to be presented as the other world's equivalent of Princess Zelda, that gives us Zelda and Hilda, the two aunts of Sabrina the Teenage Witch. Drake Clawfang (talk) 18:30, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * No, that trivia is not worth noting. The most likely reason is that Hilda and Zelda are phonetically similar, exotic sounding names. The Legend of Zelda and Sabina the Teenage Witch likely chose the names for that same reason.
 * Also, name the section in the future. Pages looking messy without one. Champion of Nayru (talk) 19:58, 25 October 2013 (UTC) Champion of Nayru
 * Why exactly is the Sabrina trivia irrelevant? Not mentioning it would be like if two NPCs were named Archie and Jughead and we banned trivia referencing that because it could have just been a coincidence. Nintendo have inserted easter-egg names into Zelda games before. The carpenters in the German version of Ocarina of Time were named after the Beatles, Dr. Left is an obvious reference to Mr. Wright from Sim City, and Telma and her cat Louise are a pretty blatant reference to the movie Thelma and Louise. This isn't useless trivia. It's a fairly obvious easter egg that the article needs to mention. Ganondorfdude11 (talk) 08:40, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The reason it's irrelevant is because it's not a reference to Sabrina the Teenage Witch. The reason why Nintendo chose the name Hilda is because it shares the same etymological root as the name Zelda ("hild"), which is entirely based on the fact that they are counterparts. I acknowledge the fact that you've provided examples where other series have been referenced, but given the etymology, it's safe to say that this one simply is a coincidence. 12:30, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I think an extremely obvious reference to a popular comic book and television series is more noteworthy than a relatively obscure linguistic association. I know the community has been seeking out low-quality trivia to delete, but this is a legitimate item of trivia than the one which is currently on the page. The names I listed before are obvious references and mentioned in the trivia sections of their articles. Why is it not in this case? The only other franchise to have counterpart characters named Hilda and Zelda is Sabrina. "Zelda" is not a true Germanic name, but a shortened form of "Griselda," which originally came from the Canterbury Tales. Would it be more logical that Nintendo would look up the obscure and roundabout etymological origins for a name when deciding her counterpart, or simply select a name already well-known in popular culture? It would be like arguing that "Lorule" isn't a pun. Ganondorfdude11 (talk) 02:52, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I would guess it a reference to the etymology or at least because the names sound alike. Not many names sound similar to Zelda. Honestly, why would Nintendo reference Sabrina the Teenage Witch? There is literally no similaries between that show and Hilda/Zelda. The people at Nintendo are inteligent, I'm sure they know about etymology. Don't assume people are ignorant of etymology (or Google). Champion of Nayru (talk) 07:18, 28 November 2013 (UTC)Champion of Nayru
 * Since you're arguing about popular culture, what relevance does Sabrina the Teenage Witch have in Japanese culture? The name was surely initially chosen by the Japanese developers, not some avid American fan.
 * As stated in interviews (regarding the Pokémon series), Nintendo employees take great care in naming their characters, so the idea that they would settle for a cheap and culturally obscure reference is frankly delusional. They do, however, consider the etymology of words, so it is far more reasonable that they should retroactively decide Hilda's name to match Zelda's based on the common root and phonetic similarity. 16:52, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I might as well ask what relevance Thelma and Louise had on Japanese popular culture. Sabrina the Teenage Witch is hardly obscure, considering she has been in Archie comics for around 50 years and had a hugely successful TV show in the 1990s. If I recall correctly, it was even spun off into a popular manga in Japan. I don't get the resistance to a simple piece of trivia. I know the community is dealing with removing low-quality trivia, but this is nothing of the sort. Ganondorfdude11 (talk) 17:18, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Princess Hilda
Shouln't be change the name of the article from Hilda to Princess Hilda, since she's the equivalent of Princess Zelda, no?so, she's a princess --Isamisa (talk) 00:52, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
 * We really shouldn't be editing these pages until the game comes out. Do we know for sure she's a princess? For all we know there will be a plot twist where it's revealed that Hilda is Link's Uncle in disguise or something. When the game comes out all will be revealed and these articles will be filled in. Champion of Nayru (talk) 01:41, 9 November 2013 (UTC)Champion of Nayru

Hilda, is in fact, a princess. Aounama called her princess several times: http://zeldawiki.org/images/b/b6/Princesshilda%2Cyup.png, source: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/12/nycc-zelda-producer-reveals-new-princess-lorule-kingdom-and-item-upgrades
 * No one's going to die by waiting six days for the game to come out, like CoN said.KrytenKoro (talk) 17:41, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
 * At this point, the game is now released and it is certainly clear everywhere that Hilda is in fact Princess Hilda.~.:NasiDe:.~ 06:28, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Realy just Princess in english? In german version she's queen--Soran (talk) 17:07, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Race
As with Ravio, Hilda is from Lorule rather than Hyrule, so it seems like her race wouldn't be Hylian. Maybe Lorulan (as an equivalent of Hylian) or Lorulean (as an equivalent of Hyrulean) would make sense? I dunno. That would go with all the other residents of Lorule as well.~.:NasiDe:.~ 06:25, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * As far as we know, they're Hylian. "Hyrulean" isn't a race anymore than "Canadian" is; they're nationalities.  Until something comes along to suggest otherwise, I think it's best not to mention their race, because until something concrete is mentioned it will only be theoretical.
 * Also, sign your posts. --KingStarscream (talk) 20:25, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * They're not Hylian - think of where that word even comes from. They're called Hylian because they're the descendents of Hylia and happen to live in Hyrule. Hilda and her people, on the other hand, live in Lorule and are most definitely not descended from Hylia. If you're gonna say the people of Lorule can be called Hylians, then we're basically saying that the whole reason why the name Hylian exists is wrong.


 * It's strange, but call them Lolulan or Lolians or something - just not Hylian. --James

And how different are Hylians and Lolians? The way you said they are not Hylians but Lolians -- Lolians would still be the same as Loruleans because the term still describes the Hylians who live in Lorule. The Lorulean Hylians are Hylians. We had the same problem with Skyloftians and Terminans from Skyward Sword and Majora's Mask, thinking they are different kind when they are actually of the same species. All of them, the humans with long ears, Hylians.--Prince Ludwig (talk) 21:00, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

On the Characters template
Wasn't sure where to put this, but I was wondering about Hilda's place on the characters template. Would it be more appropriate to put her with the minor antagonists, since she had good intentions even though she really orchestrated the whole scheme? I think it's safe to assume Yuga is the game's major antagonist since his intentions are more evil and he's the final boss of the game. Okoa (talk) 03:41, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It's an odd situation since she is the driving force behind the plot even though Yuga back-stabs her. She reforms in the end, but that doesn't make her less of a villain before she does. Ganondorfdude11 (talk) 05:19, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * By all definitions of the word, she is an antagonist. She opposes the protagonist, therefore she is an antagonist.i would probably day major, but apparently we only lost final bosses as major antagonists. Champion of Nayru (talk) 07:39, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, she does reform by the end. I'm thinking she might belong under minor antagonists because of that. She's kinda similar to Byrne in that regard. Okoa (talk) 22:25, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * She is totally a major antagonist. Darth Vader is no less of an antagonist just because he reforms in the end. Being an antagonist is irrelevant to whether or not the character is a villain. Champion of Nayru (talk) 22:54, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Calling Princess Hilda a *major antagonist* is like calling Shadow Kirby one, it's just not correct. She litarally had no intention to *Destroy Link/The Protagonist* but rather, *Claim his Triforce fragment*. Heck, she even provided assistance to him whether intentional or not. Anti-Villain or Minor Antagonist describes her more better, since she isn't pure evil, nor did she do things that would be considered *purely selfish*. A major antagonist is someone who does something out of sheer selfishness and pure evil and never does something that might benifit others. --Vaati The Wind Demon (talk) 23:49, 30 November 2013 (UTC)