User talk:Yuka2015

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-- TheStoneWatcher (talk) 17:36, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Hyrule Historia
Hyrule Historia is an *Official Nintendo* release and features *FACTS* on the LOZ Series, it was co-written by Miyamoto and Aonuma themselves. Any further opposition by revert will result in a ban. --Vaati The Wind Demon (talk) 23:58, 11 March 2015 (UTC)


 * That's fine.
 * You can ban me if you want.
 * The Historia is indeed official. But, it is also optional. Unless Miyamoto says that that is the way you MUST see it and any other way is wrong, then no one else has a right to do that.
 * I think some fans are being a little too hardcore and try to force others to see it THEIR way.
 * Ban me if you want. But, my mind isn't going to change. And yes, I am a Single Link believer. Link is not one or many though, he is a bunch of pixels basically. And we interpret how we see him. The Historia is beautiful, but doesn't have to be accepted along with the games. A lot of the fan base has a hard time accepting that, but it's true.
 * I won't argue anymore. All you will say is the same thing repeatedly.


 * It is not optional, the creators shape the game and the story, not the fanbase. Just because you don't like it, does not contradict it as "optional" and "redundant".  The only one who seems to be forcing is you.


 * Um, forgive Vaati on the ban part. We don't do bans over something like disagreements, not unless it raises to flaming or bigger offenses, and even then there would be warnings. Yuka you won't be banned over this, but please also be a little more considerate. I'd also appreciate it if you could respond a little more civilly.


 * Moving on. While Hyrule Historia can be considered an optional piece of writing, it was written by both Shigeru Miyamoto and Eiji Aonuma. There have also been plenty of in-game evidence that suggests there are more then one Link, of which Hyrule Historia elaborated on. Examples such as, the Hero's Shade which is supposed to be the Hero of Time from OoT, as well as Demise's curse which confirms that the Hero's Spirit is reborn anew every time. Then you also have TWW Link, which is quite clearly not the same as the Hero of Time. While I do tell you these things, you're free to personally interpret the games yourself. However, we as a wiki consider Miyamoto's, Aonuma's, and Hyrule Historia's word to be canon, and as such they will be considered here. Link may in reality just be pixels and textured models, but this wiki considers the story portion of the games as well. No one here is being forceful. We're just upholding what the wiki considers to be canon. 00:24, 12 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry for the discourse that happened here; the behavior of the staff has been handled privately. However, I would appreciate it if you understood that your behavior was also inappropriate. If you're unaware, you participated in an edit war, which is when multiple users repeatedly revert edits after a reasoning has been given. The proper course of action to take after your edit has been reversed is to initiate a discussion with the other user in question either via their talk page or on the talk page regarding the article so you can defend your point of view. Edit warring is unacceptable behavior, so please refrain from doing this again.
 * Now regarding your views on a single Link. To reiterate what The Goron Moron said, as a wiki, we stick strictly to what is established within the official canon media. We even have a page for this to explain what we consider canon, and these are (without " word of god " confirming otherwise) immutable. This is simply how it is.
 * So to explain: if your viewpoint contradicts the canon, it is considered fanon, and therefore non-canonical (and consequently invalid for the wiki). The "single Link" notion falls within this range (due to conflicting evidence within the games and Hyrule Historia), so all it can amount to is a theory. Theories aren't allowed within articles on the wiki, but they're absolutely welcome on a forum, such as Zelda Universe 's. You're welcome to discuss it there, but please don't add it to articles anymore. And if you have a disagreement, I recommend that you handle it through talk pages rather than by perpetrating a silly fight via edit warring. 01:19, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Ah, thank you very much. I'm gonna say some things, but I will try to clear it up as you read on. And, none of what I say means that I got that feeling from surfing this particular wiki unless I state otherwise. (I don't want you guys to think that when I say "I don't like when people say [insert something]" that I'm specifically talking about you guys. It's not how I mean it.) I actually had no idea there was such thing a "post war" or whatever it is it's called, so I apologize. Also, I don't recall responding in a non-civil manner(I never responded angrily though text on the internet can't carry correct emotion). I did however disagree with the use of the edit comments but I assumed it was okay since it was a moderator doing it and I figured a moderator wouldn't be doing that if it wasn't okay. So I apologize. I just remember changing something and then kind of getting attacked because of it(at first I didn't have a reference, but then I put one(two actually) and they were ignored). But, I don't feel that way now so I know that's not what's happening. As for the "Single Link Theory": I, as well as many people (more people than most think) believe in this, not as a "theory" but truly believe in it. Except in Wind Waker (which is the only time I see Link as different because Link and Toon Link have very different lives) I don't see evidence that shows that Link is ALWAYS AND ONLY more than one person. I only see that in the Historia, and yes the Historia was created by the creators, but it is still optional, and no one is required to see Link as more than one person and can live on just as happily seeing Link as just one person(again, this is just me talking on the talk page. This isn't to try and change the wiki anymore). The only problem I have personally with the Historia is when some people kind of attack you because you don't believe it the way it's written in there. Also, my cousin, who believes the same as me, made a webpage where she explains why she sees Link this way(it's very deep and usually people tend to be completely okay with one Link after reading it; she needs to see him this way to survive) and because of both of those things I kind of why I thought, "Hey, I can go ahead and add the fact that Link can be both one and many" but I didn't know you already had it set on here that that was a "head canon". I don't believe that, but that's what you guys state here per this wiki. So that's okay. As for this particular wiki, I didn't realize you have this rule about what you guys consider cannon and what isn't, so when thinking of it that way I can see why you wouldn't put that Link can also be seen as one person. And, I don't see Link as "a bunch of pixels" at all. He means a lot to me, my cousin, and many other people. I was just trying to get Vaati to understand something. I was trying to remove both of our views from the argument to make it "naked" and show something. Wait, I am just typing and typing...is this even allowed here? (the stuff that I am saying) or is this supposed to be in a forum too? I don't want to debate or anything. I was just trying to explain myself for why I was doing what I was doing is all.


 * It's alright to debate in here as long as it's a Wiki matter (and in an appropriate tone). Now, for the "single Link" theory, it is just that, a theory, and the Wiki is composed of proven facts. Hyrule Historia just further elaborates what it is seen in-game. As stated before, the games themselfs prove that there are more than one Link, as they are reincarnations of the hero's spirit, as said in Skyward Sword. This is proven by games such as Twilight Princess, where Link from Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask appears as the Hero's Shade, or by Spirit Tracks, where Niko states that he met the hero from The Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass. Good to see that you added sources to your edit, but sadly they cannot be considered canon as it is just promotional information for a non-canon game (SSB4 in the case of the amiibo description).


 * And by the way, don't forget to sign your posts by adding ~ at the end of them. 05:52, 12 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay, thank you.
 * Again, the way I see things, I don't see Toon Link being the same for me. And though I nor my cousin need no "proof" to help support what we believe, because in all honesty we just merely believe it, we have our things that we see as well that further prove what we believe. I won't get into it because, like you said, you or anyone else who believes in the Historia won't get it because that's not what you believe, but we have ours too(the only one I'll say is that we don't see Toon Link and Link as connected in any way, not even through reincarnation,). That proof you are talking about, I think it's good that you can connect it to what the Historia says (or actually I think it's the other way around) but for me I don't believe those things as proof. Because when I see them, I see both ways to see Link still. I just don't believe that what is shown in game is proof of it. I believe that when they made the Historia the information just happened to fit together perfectly like that. I still believe I still firmly believe that he can be either or still. I don't believe it is a "theory". When I see Link, in all the games, I just see Link from when I was little.Yuka2015 (talk) 06:05, 12 March 2015 (UTC)