Talk:Gustaf

Gustaf....king? Well He's not the first king unless he's the Ocarina's Zelda's fathe considering the civil war was unified by the Ocarina's king. reference by the hero of time's origin told by the new deku tree --Legend 03:12, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

Hrm... Maybe we should make a category for characters like Gustaf, Spookter, and Spekter, kind of like "Spirits" or "Ghosts", as a subcategory of "People". Would that be overdoing it? Just a suggestion. Dinosaur bob 09:58, 6 November 2007 (EST)
 * No that's a pretty good idea since many characters are spirits or ghosts.--Green 10:05, 6 November 2007 (EST)
 * So how would one go about creating a category? I don't think I've ever gone over how to do that yet... Dinosaur bob 10:24, 6 November 2007 (EST)
 * Just decide on a name for it, and add that category tag to all the pages you wanna include. --Adam 13:42, 6 November 2007 (EST)


 * Just wondering, would such a category only cover ghosts, or also be used for just anything that's dead (like stalfos indivuals).IfIHaveTo 14:46, 6

November 2007 (EST)
 * If it were titled Undead, that should be broad enough to include all possible entities. --Adam 15:53, 6 November 2007 (EST)
 * All righty, I'll get 'er up! Dinosaur bob 15:56, 6 November 2007 (EST)
 * Now I could use some help making sure I don't miss any. Getting Captain Keeta or Skull Keeta or whatever we're calling him these days next.Dinosaur bob 15:59, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Timeline Significance
Christopher, it is speculative because it assumes that Hyrule was created just before OoT. I removed it because it relies on a theory which you made based on this quote. "Some time ago, before the King of Hyrule unified this country". However, as you would notice, no were does it state Hyrule was actually created just decades ago. The King of Hyrule unified Hyrule,

yes. But that does not imply the creation of Hyrule. Its equally likely that the King already was king of Hyrule when he unified Hyrule, bringing an end to war, which this quote seem to imply. Also, as told by Lanaryu in Twilight Princess, Hyrule existed long before there ever was any wars in Hyrule. "The lands where the goddesses descended came to be known as the Sacred Realm. For ages, the people lived at ease, content in mind and body… But soon, word of the Sacred Realm spread through Hyrule, and a great battle ensued" As you see, Hyrule was not created after a long war. It existed way before then.

I suggest that we either put this 'Timeline Significance' under a Theory Warning or just remove it seeing how insufficient it is.

Sorry that it does not agree with your theory, but the facts are the facts. It's very very sufficient as it has quotes to prove it. Link87 17:11, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

I never once said "creation", I said "as a kingdom", so that argument you make is invalid.Link87 17:17, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

The King of Hyrule could equally likely have been King before he unified Hyrule, as the quote seem to imply. No were does it that 'Hyrule then became a kingdom' either so it is still speculation at best. Unification does not mean becoming a kingdom. That you refer your own theory as a fact is staggering. Nerushi 17:40, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry once again, but you are trying to protect your own theory against actual facts. Let's put two and two together:


 * Hyrule is unified into the kingdom it would become around the time of Link's birth in Ocarina of Time. (This is a fact)
 * In The Minish Cap, King Gustaf states that he "ruled" Hyrule "countless ages ago". (Again, this is a fact)


 * Therefore, you cannot have Hyrule being established as a kingdom just shortly before Ocarina of Time and having existed for generations in The Minish Cap without The Minish Cap occurring LONG after the foundation of Hyrule as a kingdom. Sorry, but there's just a major contradiction in your theory. This is not a theory, these are facts, and never once do I say they are official, I say they "cast doubt". So sorry, but I just don't see your view here. I find it "staggering" that you continue to defend a point of view that has clear evidence against it and that makes no claim to official status. Link87 17:52, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

But it is not a fact that Hyrule was established as a kingdom just 'decades' before OoT. That is something you completely made up based on a single quote refering mentioning unified This has absolutely nothing to do with me defending any theory, as much as it is making you realize that you are just forcing your own interpretation on everyone by falsely labeling them as facts. Nerushi 18:01, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually it is, it's stated by the Deku Tree Sprout, and Link was born shortly before that time. The quote is there, and to say that I "made it up" is a blatant and heinous lie. He was around 10 years old in Ocarina of Time, therefore it can be generalized that Hyrule has only been an established kingdom for about the same length of time. I am "forcing" nothing, I am casting doubt upon your preferred theory and rightfully so apparently. It is you that is trying to bolster a theory here, not I. I am merely pointing out some valid discrepancies in your theory. Please understand that I respect everyone's theories and understand that not all people are going to agree, even when faced with valid evidence to the contrary apparently. Sorry that these facts do not agree with your theory, but you cannot say that I am "making things up" or that I am "forcing" anything upon everyone else. I'm merely pointing out the fallacies in the idea that TMC precedes OoT. I have stated that these facts "cast doubt" upon your theory, not that they dictate that it is false. For you to try to depict otherwise only discredits your cause. Link87 18:40, 14 April 2010 (UTC)