Talk:Guardian

Redirect
Uhh this is a crazy redirect, Why was Dangoro chosen as the target page? Well I was going to merely use it to redirect as a search term referring to the PH Big Plays, but if there's a good reason it should be a disambig page that would be much better. 00:28, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, this should be a disambig page. Jeangabin 06:59, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
 * According to IGN, these are specifically referred to as Silent Realm Guardians. http://uk.ign.com/wikis/the-legend-of-zelda-skyward-sword/Silent_Realm_Guardians Fyrisvellir 17:36, 6 November 2011 (EST)
 * You planning on moving it? Technickal 09:54, 13 November 2011 (EST)
 * Honestly I think we should do it to avoid confusion. Put all of the "Guardian" names on a disambiguation page, and tada a tidy wiki. :) Steahl 10:00, 13 November 2011 (EST)
 * Yeah, I agree! ;D Anyone else support this move? Technickal 18:30, 13 November 2011 (EST)
 * Obviously I do, but I'm not sure I can yet move pages. :P Fyrisvellir 18:40, 13 November 2011 (EST)
 * Yeah... I know I can't. Usually that's a sysop ability. Steahl 18:59, 13 November 2011 (EST)


 * I think it would be best if we waited until the game was released to move this page. There's no guarantee that IGN is using the canonical name. In fact, according to the text dump of the demo, they aren't called "Guardians" at all, rather "Earth Watchers" and "Sky Watchers". 08:38, 14 November 2011 (EST)

Then why was Zols in this game merged with ChuChu and Moblins with Big Blins? Technickal 17:01, 15 November 2011 (EST)


 * -_-, There are no Zol in Skyward Sword. The devs said they are ChuChus. Steahl 17:47, 15 November 2011 (EST)

Three types
Given that there appear to be three different type of Guardians, and each of them has its own behavior and appearance that seems to be very heavily based on other enemies in the series (Poes, Darknuts and um... Garos I suppose?) does each type have its own name? They're all pretty different. Does anyone have the guide yet who can check whether they are named in there? Or maybe they're named in the game somewhere. Fizzle 17:49, 25 November 2011 (EST)


 * There are two types: the ones that look like Minotaurs with giant maces, and the ones that fly around with two blades. The "third" type you're thinking of are Watchers. Unfortunately, the Guardian types aren't differentiated in the game. 05:05, 2 December 2011 (EST)
 * Fi's description says there are Earth Watches who hover in one spot, and others that fly around. Both of those look like Poes, and have lanterns (it's easiest to see both kinds in the Skyloft Silent Realm). The "Sage" guys are Guardians, as they don't react until your flower is depleted, and eject you if they touch you.KrytenKoro 03:20, 4 December 2011 (EST)
 * Seriously, the sage guys are Guardians, not Watchers. The two types of Watcher mentioned by Fi are the ones that follow a predetermined path, and the ones that stay still but chase after you if you enter the light of their lantern. Both of these look like Poes.KrytenKoro 04:37, 4 December 2011 (EST)
 * This is probably the wrong page to be discussing this, but where does Fi refer to the Watchers by name? Fizzle 18:40, 4 December 2011 (EST)

I'm not sure what you're arguing for. Let me clarify everything: Hopefully that clears things up. 04:56, 4 December 2011 (EST)
 * Guardians - Guys with weapons. Affected by Sacred Tears. There are 2 types:
 * Guys with the face of a bull. Run after you with a giant mace
 * Guys that hover with two blades
 * Watchers - Guys with lanterns. NOT affected by sacred tears. There are 2 types:
 * Guys that float and follow predetermined paths
 * Guys that stay in one place near the ground. If you approach them, they start chasing you until you get into their light.
 * ....ohhh. Looking at the render in the guide and seeing its face, I just realized the the "Sage" guys are the flying ones. Nevermind, I was accidentally interpreting the one guy as two.KrytenKoro 05:02, 4 December 2011 (EST)

Rename request in light of Breath of the Wind
The spider Beamos enemy was revealed to also be named Guardian, so someone with the privileges should rename this page accordingly. wwtoonlinkfan (talk) 03:37, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Breath of the Wild
If anyone bothered to read the cited interview, you'd see that Aonuma explains his concept behind creating a new enemy that was inspired by the Octorok, but with sci-fi elements, and how it ties in with the game. Lumping the two enemies together and calling the Guardian a "recurring enemy" is pretty misleading IMO, since it is clearly not meant to be the same as the Guardian seen in Skyward Sword. Plus the fact they look nothing alike, appear to have a completely different composition, behaviour, purpose, and hell, even exist in different dimensions. That they share a name seems to be little more than a coincidence. This isn't a case like Gohma, where the different variations are conceptually similar and the similarities are intentional.--Dorsal Axe (talk) 20:16, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

BotW Guardians and SS Guardians are clearly not the same
In the article it mentions the Guardians are diffrent enemies, they were decolped diffrently to I think. I know we're keeping the two articles together for siplicity, but let's say a new ghost enemy called a phantom showed up and it acted like Poes and Hyu, would we have in the same article as Phantom, I'd say no because they are clearly unrelated. So why do this here, all this will do is confuse people. Gopherdude12 (talk) 13:22, 16 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Because this is our intended format with the enemy pages. There have been plenty of enemies in the series who have had wholly difference appearances and behaviors, but still go under the same name. The best example I can think of right now are the Armos from Skyward Sword, who look nothing like the Armos of past games and have a completely different strategy, but are still otherwise Armos. This being no different.


 * I would also argue that it is in fact more confusing to have needless split pages, because it forces people to look harder to find the subject they want. When you do a Google search for "Zelda Wiki Guardian", this page shows up, and it's going to be the page that people will want to find. That is why it is better for the two to share the page, because it becomes easier for users to find either enemy.


 * Lastly, this was not wholly my decision. I have also asked the other wiki staff for their thoughts, and we all agreed that they should share the page. 16:41, 16 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I agree with Midoro on all these points. It may seem odd to have the two in the article at first, but it generally works out for the better. Also, it is best to keep an open mind about content that is unreleased, nothing is truly certain at this time. -- 16:54, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * If they are going to share a page, it should at least be clear in the lead section that they are different enemies. --Dorsal Axe (talk) 17:16, 16 June 2016 (UTC)


 * The BotW section already makes a clear distinction between the two, or at least my edit did until the section got edited. 17:32, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Going back to Armos, not really the best example since they conceptually similar in every appearance. Anyway it doesn't matter now, since "recurring" has been removed, and the distinction is much clearer than before. So I have no further objections. --Dorsal Axe (talk) 19:55, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Guardian Split Redux
The prior discussion for this took place six months ago (and two days after the enemy was revealed), so I would like for us to take another look at this situation. We now know more than we did at that point in time, and it remains that these are quite distinct enemies who happen to share the same name. Given that we have a precedence for this situation, two different enemies named "Snapper" who each have their own page, I would personally suggest we split this page in a similar manner to that. Thoughts? 19:38, 29 December 2016 (UTC)


 * If we have enough information at this time (since some time has passed) to validate the split, I can't see why not. Specially since this would not be the first time for reused names. As long as the starting of the articles acknowledge each other. And I guess the main article, Guardian, be a disambiguation page. -- 20:23, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Guardian disambiguation
I don't believe that the main Guardian page should be these Guardians. If anything it should be a disambiguation page with links to Guardian (Skyward Sword) and Guardian (Breath of the Wild), which is where the current page should be located. There's no reason to have these over the other Guardians as the 'main' article. Thoughts? &mdash; ZeroELEC (talk) 18:53, 22 March 2017 (UTC)