Talk:Imprisoning War

Just wondering, what's the reason that the references I'd added were removed? —Adam (talk) 16:38, 13 February 2008 (EST)

Usefulness
Does anyone else think it's odd that nearly this entire article is devoted to the plot of Ocarina of Time? Wouldn't it be prudent to just refer to Ocarina of Time instead? This article is written in-universe, does not cite sources, we don't even know if the Imprisoning War mentioned in the ALttP manual is the same as the fight against Ganon in OoT, and seems altogether wasteful. I propose an overhaul, one stating the facts about the War how it pertains to gamers, and the games. Saibh 16:20, 21 March 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree completely, especially since I am one of the ones who disagree that Ocarina of Time is the imprisoning war, since I am one of the people who think that ALttP is on the child story line and therefore Ocarina of Time has no imprisoning war. I believe that the only other possible choice fitting the description is FSA--Magnus orion 21:40, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

but that can't be right....you hear about the imprisoning war in ALttP....its manual talks about it...and FSA doesnt match the bill either since Ganon already transformed and the imprisoning war states ganon was human then touched the triforce.....although one thing bugs me about the manuals description it never mentions the master sword being used against ganon it just says they tried to find a hero to give it to....also it says the knights held off ganon until the sages could imprison him.....so now I finally see where you think FSA fits in because of the knights but maybe if ALttP is i nthe child timeline...what game had the imprisoning war....Twilight Princess?


 * Well, In my timeline (see my user page), FSA is in the child timeline, since the foursword cant be found and vatti can't escape after the flood. Also, I can't tell if you're arguing or not, but if you are, I would like to ask you how. You appear to making the claim that FSA isn't the game and then stating that OoT is, even though it also has problems fitting the bill, or that another game (with even less relation to the imprisinoning war) might be it. Btw I never played FSA. I'm just trying to make everything fit. The biggest problem is taking Ganondorf and putting him in the dark world, and then reconciling with TWW.--Magnus orion 22:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * ...This isn't a timeline debate. Saibh 13:51, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks saibh but it kinda has to be since its part of the storyline and the storyline spans across more than one century --Remo 14:01, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

so whats the deal here....this page is about the sealing war...not theories on the sealing war.....unless I hear someone responding to this with an objection I will be very tempted to erase almost all the content on this page...im sorry but I already talked to the one who wrote it and they never answered back...so I just think its time to fix it. and if I dont here..anything..im just gonna change it.....then when people complain they can change it back I don't care --Remo 09:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * This article is a good theory. But it is just that, a theory. It should be stated that the content on the article is only one possible explanation of many.--Matt 11:55, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, this guy posted another extensive (and quite inaccurate) theory here, which provoked a monumental row here. In an attempt to avoid a recurrence here, I avoided objecting in principle, and instead suggested citation of sources. This was rejected/ignored. Do what you will to improve it however you see fit! --Adam 17:39, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Following the recent edits, I'm still concerned that the article is quite theory-heavy. Although the link to the ZeldaLegends translation is great, it seems to me that what the article is in desperate need of is some serious citation of sources, particularly for the first (descriptive) section. See Hyrulean Civil War for an example. --Adam 12:49, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I was just thinking as a theory this DID happen after Oot. Perhaps when Linkwas sent back in time Zelda and Link told the story to the King. so, the King sent the Sages to seal Ganon-while Young Link was currently looking for Navi in Majora's Mask. Just a thought though...ZeldaGirl96 13:41, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Realization
Obviously I wasn't clear before but what I realize now is that the only way for ALttP's manual about the seal war to work is if Ganon has the triforce of Power. But if ALttP is supposed to be in the child timeline then he could only have gotten the triforce of power in Twilight Princess and he didn't do it the same way the manual tells us. the manual tells us about how he did it in the Adult timeline while Link slept ( went to the sacred realm and touched it before returning to wreak havoc on Hyrule) but it could just be one of those unchangeable things cuz ALttP is one of the older games so they had no idea the series would have taken this turn...if I am right and the seal war was then supposed to happen in Twilight Princess then I'm sure the seal war story would sound different although again it would be completely different seeing how the sages didn't seal Ganon it was Link using the sages sword...and also did Ganon die in the end (still haven't beaten it sorry) or was he sent to the dark realm? so then ALttP would fit better, if not then the WW would have to somehow be changed to the child timeline and Twilight Princess to the Adult one...which again makes no sense but you know where I'm going with this I hope. --Remo 15:12, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Saria
In the article it mentions that only FOUR Sages are humanoid: Rauru (unknown species), Nabooru (Gerudo), Impa (Shiekah), and Zelda (Hylian). But wasn't Saria, a Kokiri, also humanoid. And, considering that, shouldn't that part be changed? --Sk8torchic


 * Technically, all the sages in Ocarina of Time are humanoid. By the definition of the term, all seven are humanoid. They are all shaped like humans. But the four that were singled out are the ones that are "most human". We can only assume that all seven were able to blend in with the humans and/or Hylians. Nintendo never explained how Saria was able to do that, but hey, this is a magical world. Anything can happen. 20:01, August 5, 2008 (UTC)

Inaccuracies
This article devotes a lot of polot summary to OoT, when Nintendo apparently does not consider OoT to be the Imprisoning War anymore, since neither TWW nor TP have any direct connections to ALttP. Because the Imprisoning War is the backstory for ALttP, the plot summary should be just the events described in ALttP. The OoT story and the ALttP story do not correspond entirely. For one, Link isn't in the ALttP story.


 * Sorry, I don't know why but I didn't thought that TWW and TP didn't let my information fit. However you didn't have to delete all my work as it was sourced, I have experince with wikis, and most of the time this lead to a war edit; you should have taken the references that could serve you and delete the rest of it. Also I can see you support the Four Sword Adventures-Imprisioning War theroy but that isn't justification to throw to trash the work of someone else. It hurted me that you deleted my work of 7 hours :(.


 * Leaving that aside, I have moved the speculation of Ocarina of Time to it's own page: Imprisoning War/Ocarina of Time but this time marked as fan theory, because it got too big with the things I added, let's see what you think. BenitoPerezGaldos 21:11, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe a separate section can be added to discuss the theory that the Imprisioning War is Ocarina of Time. I'm of the opinion that it is not, but only undisputed information should go under the main section. You'll notice that there's a section for Ocarina under the theories section, maybe most of the old info can be moved there?Ganondorfdude11 23:16, 22 May 2009 (UTC)Ganondorfdude11

I expanded the OoT and TP sections with the plot summary material you had under the main section. I'll work on similarly expanding the FSA section so that the article will be balanced. I'm sorry I wholeslae deleted your hard work instead of just moving it.Ganondorfdude11 23:45, 22 May 2009 (UTC)Ganondorfdude11


 * Oh, the subarticle that I made was deleted...; You are making a great job Ganondorfdude11, the only section that needs more work is the FSA. I took some screenshots of the ALttP introductions and will add them to the article, but maybe tomorrow, I am not in the computer with the screens right now. And I will also remove the noncannonical information of the manga if you want, I just added it to made it more interesting and that's why I added the word uncannonical in the sentence; still in the section where it says the king is presumed death we can add that in the manga is stated death although it is uncannonical (obviously adding that is uncannonical information). BenitoPerezGaldos 00:20, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe you can leave it in if you specify that it's non-canon, something like "The king's fate is never specified in-game, but the manga says he died" or something. I'll get to work on the FSA section.Ganondorfdude11 02:48, 23 May 2009 (UTC)Ganondorfdude11


 * Very well them, I'll add something like that to the article. BenitoPerezGaldos 02:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

All right, I expanded the FSA section. Now the TP section looks like it needs a little work done to it.Ganondorfdude11 03:46, 23 May 2009 (UTC)Ganondorfdude11

Project Status
I'm curious as to what the project status is here. That and I'd like to keep a close watch on the two of you. Keep the edit tensions low and swap info among one another to fight off the wiki if you must. 04:06, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I think this was a straight text merge. We're basically copying out of the manuals. Ganondorfdude11 17:22, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Theory section alot of text could go as it hints to being a theory. Also the intro should be neutral and what Nintendo developers say would be best placed in the Support/Oppose section as a line of reasoning. 05:42, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Many of the expansions taking place here are serving to state points not really necessary to present the theories. I'm not normally this bad about parsing points, but I thought your goal was to reduce the theory section to something manageable. First off, assume the reader has played the games from the theory, present the basic points of it, and if you need help, I'll be glad to provide. 21:06, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok Ax, you're right we do want to try to reduce things, but can you give an example of what you mean though? So far, I think we've cut down a good sum and organized it better. But what would you like us to do further exactly? Link87 21:15, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

What exactly is going on with the size of this page? I mean is it going to stay this large or are we planning to put it Zelda Wiki Weight Watchers? --Xizor 05:32, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Basically what we've done is gone through and edited out all the opinions and arguments to state only the facts and reorganize the article in a way that is easier to read and comprehend. Now what we need to know is what you would like to keep as far as the theory section goes. Before we had two or three sections per game, which was ridiculous. Now we have it down to one picture a piece with a brief plot description and the stated facts supporting or disputing the game's candidacy. Do you have any suggestions on what you'd like to keep or remove Xizor? I'd like to make it less overbearing myself, but I was told to try to salvage as much of the original piece as possible, so I could use some guidance here, lol. Link87 05:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

New theory
"The Shrine Maidens seal Ganon within the Four Sword, which is then seen in the Dark World in pieces in the Palace of the Four Sword. This could mean that after Ganon was sealed, the Four Sword was moved into the Palace of the Four Sword, and then Ganon broke out and found the Triforce."
 * I like this theory!! Which could explain why the Four Sword is in pieces, why each shard are guarded by a boss, why the palace of the Four Sword is where Ganon is, and why Link try to retrieve the Four Sword at the end of A Link to the Past. Jeangabin 13:25, 10 August 2010 (EDT)