Talk:Main Page/Archive 4

Game Acronyms
What's the general consensus for using acronyms within the Wiki pages themselves? Personally, it looks more professional to give the full title of the game (i.e. Phantom Hourglass rather than PH, etc.), but that's just my thoughts. Anyone else? Ando 20:12, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * That's basically the general consensus :) The accepted "standard" is to italicise titles, and use a piped link to the full title like so:   This looks the most professional, links to the correct game article avoiding use of redirects or disambiguations, and is the clearest to read. --Adam 20:49, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Illegal Content
Another question about the wiki's standards: what are the wiki's restrictions on illegal content (ROM's, scanslations, etc.). I, for one, would like to see any and all links to such content removed, but you know. This can be a very... divided issue, so what do you think? Ando 20:49, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Rom's aren't illegal if you have the game, correct? --Seablue254 16:55, 31 May 2008 (UTC)


 * But the distribution (and technically the download) of ROM's, scanslations, etc. IS illegal. --Ando 17:11, 31 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes. And all the ROM sites conveniently neglect to mention this "minor detail." But it is an unenforceable law. It just one more restriction placed on the internet that just isn't possible. Making computer viruses or email spam is illegal (or at least is so by common law), but people still do it. The common law on ROMs is that a copy can be downloaded only if the person downloading owns a physical copy of the game. Remember that common law is what is generally considered to be acceptable by society. Speeding is illegal. But, you would be hard-pressed to find a city in America where speed limits are thoroughly enforced. On some highways, going the speed limit will likely get you killed -ever been to Indianapolis, Indiana? - as nearly every car is speeding by about about 20 miles per hour (32.2 kilometers per hour). Even the police cars - without sirens on! So the ban on the distribution, and download, of ROMs is a "dummy law". It only makes the gaming companies happy with the government, but in reality does absolutely nothing. --Matt 06:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * This is true; the downloading is more-or-less unenforceable, but the distribution is enforceable. I've heard of several ROM-dealing sites being shut down and owners fined and / or jailed severely for having the sites; ditto for scanslation / fansubbers, etc. Regardless of whether or not it's enforceable, though, do we really want to encourage illegal activity? I like how you followed that sentence up with "'Common law' is what's considered acceptable by society." I was about to say "um NO it's illegal" but then I read that. :P --Ando 02:17, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * We definitely don't want to encourage illegal activity. In fact we should clearly state that we do not.--Matt 04:18, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Just to follow up. Manga translated without the author's consent is illegal. Check out this for more info.--Matt 17:46, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Page Creation
I've been needing to add a page for the mini-boss of the Ancient Tomb of Oracle of Ages. Its name is Blue Stalfos but I've never seen a link or a page about him. If any one know how to add a page please let me know. Oh and no he is not a regular Blue Stalfos if thats what your thinking.


 * Search and make sure that the page you want to create does NOT exist in any form (search misspelled titles, etc.). If nothing, search for the correct title. If no results are found, then at the top of the screen you'll see something along the lines of "No results were found. You can create this page." Click on "create this page" to, well, create the page. :P Then just edit it as normal and save it. Ando 14:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm sure there's another way, but the way I do it is I type up something like, Grand Fairy. Then it will say that there is no page under that name and it asks me if I would like to "create it". I click on "create it" and it takes me to a blank editing page and I can start typing. But because there is already a page called "Blue Stalfos" create the page with this name "Blue Stalfos (Mini-boss). Make sure you create a disambiguation page, to do this search for "Blue Stalfos" and you'll be redirected to "Stalfos". At the top of the page you'll see this: Redirected from Blue stalfos, click on it and change the page it takes you to into a disambiguation page.--Link hero of light 15:07, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Featured Picture Formatting Error
Hey. The "Have you voted for -?" boxes are showing up above the picture and text in their respective boxes, at least on my monitor. I looked at the code and I'm not exactly sure what causes it. Perhaps adding   right before that "have you" box? Ando 20:02, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I hadn't noticed amy problem with the positioning, but to be fair it was just something quick that I botched together :S Anyone else seeing this? You could try copying the mainpage source code and tinkering with it in the sandbox to see if there's a fix - I doubt I can do much since I can't "see" the problem! 08:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Second Instance
Sometimes on the featured picture page, the bar for "have you voted yet" goes through the picture, obscuring the image. Does this happen on other peoples computers, or just mine because it has a wider screen? And is there anything that can be done to fix it? Thanks--Magnus orion 21:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not just you, I've brought this up before. Unfortunately, I have no idea what causes it or how to fix it. Right now it's not doing it for me, on several widescreen monitors; I'm assuming it is for you? Once this happens to me again I'll try messing with the code to see what's up, but until then... You'll have to do it yourself (viewing the source for the Main Page and messing with the code for it in the Sandbox would be the best way to go about it). --Ando (T : C) 21:55, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that was mentioned a while ago by Ando (above), but nothing ever got done because he was apparently the only one who experienced it. If you could take a screenshot and post it here to show the issue, perhaps we can devise a solution? The code's just something I bodged together, and I'm far from an expert, so I'm sure it could stand to be improved :) —Adam (talk) 22:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * thanks for your help (So thats what sandbox is for!). Is what I have in there now work? I found it on your talk page, Ando :D. But I don't know how it will affect it in the scrunched up space of the main page... Yeah I'll Take a screen shot and post it here--Magnus orion 22:09, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Here it is--Magnus orion 22:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)




 * Alright, man, I need details. For instance! What are your operating system, resolution, and browser? The differences here could be causing this (some kind of browser incompatibility or something). For the record, I'm running Firefox on Vista, on a 1440 x 900 resolution. --Ando (T : C) 22:28, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Uh-oh... I'm no good with computers at all (esp. with "lingo"). I'm running vista, too and basic Inernet explorer, But I don't know what resolution is... ARRGH! This is probably something I should know too, now I feel stupid.Is it screen size perhaps? --Magnus orion 22:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, it's okay, man. :P Yes, "resolution" is "screen size". In Vista, just pull up the Start Menu in the bottom left, click "Control Panel", then select "Personalize", then finally "Display Settings". The resolution is displayed there. --Ando (T : C) 22:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry 'bout that... It says 1280 X 800... --Magnus orion 22:50, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Um, guys, I fixed the problem... My solution is in the sandbox right now--Magnus orion 21:10, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Third Instance
This is still a problem, as you can see in this image. Solutions? 01:16, July 6, 2008 (UTC)


 * Two solutions: Lengthen the FA template and also apply the fix used for the Featured Picture (I had added it before but I guess Adam thought it unnecessary). I've applied the same fix, but I don't think that I'll be lengthening the template given the way its nomination on the Featured Content Disqualification page is going. 01:22, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm going to poke around and try a solution that would make this problem an impossibility. I'm going to try it on the template . 01:45, July 6, 2008 (UTC)


 * Um, it's already impossible? Did it fix the problem for you, as it did so for me? If so, then I'd say that we have a fix -- the same problem hasn't been reported regarding the Featured Picture box overlapping since that fix was implemented. 01:47, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Ahh crap. That was easy. See how the minor change I made affected this. The change is better to have in the template. So you might want to undo the revision to the Main Page. It isn't necessary. Also, you need to put the template up on there. We need to cycle our featured pictures. I'll go make the same fix to that template. 01:57, July 6, 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm honestly not sure what the different between having it on the main page and having it in the template is, but whatever. Ah, I wasn't aware that you had completed the FP template. I'll go stick that sucker up there now. 02:11, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I finished the FP template at the same time as the FA template. It is better to have the fixes in the templates so that they they can't be accidentally be deleted when an admin goes to set the template to new featured content. 02:19, July 6, 2008 (UTC)

Image Sources
How come it dosent say thanks to Whoever for controbuting this picture--Zanramon 21:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I was wondering the same thing. I don't blame you for asking, you're the one who uploaded the image and you should be credited for that. --Link hero of light 08:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The simple answer is, I took it off a while back, because I was sick of writing my own name there! I didn't particularly like the wording, and since most of the images featured previously had been uploaded by me (or I'd re-uploaded a "better quality" version) I felt forced to put my name against it, which I didn't like. Even this picture was originally quite a low-res version, so I had to get the full size and re-upload (I notice you then re-re-uploaded the same version), so technically I'd have to put both our names (which again I've had to do in the past and didn't like). However, all my (self obsessed?) griping aside, if the general consensus is that you'd all like to see the images credited again, let me know and I'll put it back up :) 08:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I would like to see users credited for uploading the picture.--Link hero of light 01:12, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The truth is, you are not allowed to be given credit for the picture. You gave the picture up to an open website. The picture is now attributed to nobody (except its true copyright holder, Nintendo) under the GNU Free Document License. Even if we gave you credit, you wouldn't be entitled to it, because it would inherently contradict the founding principles of the wiki system - free, open content that belongs to everyone. And that is the better reason why uploaders won't be credited. --Jase 02:30, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Bosses Strategies
Sparda vs. Nevan

with permission from author for use on wiki Instead of having a confusing text discussion just replicating a gamefaqs guide, and as a compromise with the visual guides earlier here, how about we have embedded youtube videos? We'd have to get permission from the author's first, of course, but it would work something like this:


 * Good idea. I fixed up the video link you inserted so that it works. Don't think there's really any need to seek permission to embed a youtube video though? They're public domain, and the links given with each video on youtube.com, and after it finishes playing, actively encourage the videos to be freely distributed? Tell me if i'm wrong. —Adam (talk) 07:15, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I was pretty sure videos on youtube were still copyrighted, since they had that big huff about not ripping videos from youtube, and any videos we were looking for would definitely reside in that gray area, since they might legally belong to Nintendo. Though, since we would be using them as the subject of discussion, it should count as fair use. However, whether it was public domain or not, its always polite to ask for permission, and it would only cost us at most an hour of our time to ask somebody with many boss videos for permission to use them all. If we can't get in contact with the person, I guess, like if they had stopped going to youtube, I guess it would be okay to just link the video, but it never hurts to ask.KrytenKoro 21:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I see what you mean, and I guess you're right. It's my personal view that, once an individual (not organisation) chooses to place material on the internet, it becomes entirely public domain. But even this wiki's disclaimer claims copyright on all information to it's respective writers, so I guess I'm wrong :) And yes, it is polite to ask/be asked (as I was here, or didn't do here...). I guess we can leave the legal/copyright issues aside, as those would be between Nintendo and Youtube and it's users. But anyway, back to the actual suggestion, yes I like the idea of including video guides, and if others agree I'll create a template version of the format above. —Adam (talk) 07:17, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, I've templated the above code so it should be easier to use in articles. —Adam (talk) 03:16, 28 February 2008 (EST)


 * Superseded by the Caption functionality of Template:Youtube 21:43, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * How do I view the source for the #ev template? I'd like to use it on the DMC wiki.KrytenKoro 02:51, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, it's not a template. It's a parser hook function, added by the EmbedVideo MediaWiki extension. More info can be had here, let me know if you need any help or clarification. —Adam (talk) 21:06, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Duplicate Featured Pictures
How come a picture that has already been featured is being featured again?--Link hero of light 16:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Check here & here —Adam (talk) 16:55, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Userboxes
Are we allowed to make userboxes? If we are, how do we go about "legalizing" them, and make them suitable for the wiki? Saibh 21:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * "Legalizing" them? :P Yeah, userboxes are made all the time. Just make them. No special treatment needs to be done to have it "accepted" into the Wiki proper. Just make and use. --Ando (Talk) 21:34, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Can you make Non-related Zelda userboxes-like ones on other games...etc.? ZeldaGirl96 12:53, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * To an extent. Obviously we don't want you making 20 userboxes having nothing to do with Zelda, but a few should be fine -- after all, we do already have ! 13:02, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Extensions
There are some extensions I think this wiki should get. I don't know when Jason will be able to put them in but here we go. According to the version page, none of these extensions are present. These extensions would be a nice addition. Bye the way, are we getting the nickname box on the preferences page back soon? --Matt 23:06, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * WikiLogic This will let us preform conditional statements. Who knows? It might come in handy.
 * Deleted Contributions This will let us see contributions on deleted articles.
 * Username Blacklist Allows wiki administrators to block the creation of user accounts where the username matches one or more regular expressions.


 * I like these. Not sure when the WikiLogic extension will come in handy, but you never know. :P I like the Deleted Contributions one, though. Doesn't seem necessary but it would be a nice addition. And the blacklist could certainly come in handy. Also, regarding the nickname box: it's a known issue, yeah, and it's being worked on. --Ando 06:04, 31 May 2008 (UTC)


 * For WikiLogic, I was thinking templates. Once we get use to it we could find other applications. I've seen some people complain about deleted contributions before. So it might be nice for those that want to to able to look back and see. But I have no clue how far back it goes. Most likely only as long as it has been in place. Jason was just here. Did he notice at all? I'm not sure.--Matt 15:57, 31 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, we can already perform certain conditional statements in templates; such as various fields being optional (best example, the Boss template), or including categories only if certain fields are active (again, the boss template). Unless there are other applications I'm not realizing here? :P Also, if anyone's planning on editing this page within the next couple of minutes, hold up; I'm archiving the page. --Ando 16:22, 31 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I knew an archive here wasn't that far off. So I made another archive template. This one is for article talk pages — and this page fits the bill. The extension will let us preform more complex conditional statements. And they will be closed in logic tags.—Matt 16:38, 31 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh! I just saw that template; sorry, I haven't gotten around to patrolling all of yesterday's edits yet. :P --Ando 16:42, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Extensions Round 2
I've got a few more extensions we might want to have. Do any of those sound cool? PS: Why won't interwiki links to MediaWiki.org work? I tried every variation. None worked. 17:04, July 4, 2008 (UTC) (edited 13:18, July 6, 2008 UTC)
 * Newuserlog
 * When a new user account is created, it is added to a log in Special:Logs.
 * CharInsert
 * Adds a javascript for the insertion of non-standard characters.
 * Renameuser
 * Gives a bureaucrat the ability to rename a user.
 * EasyTimeline
 * Allows us to make good looking timelines.
 * AntiSpoof
 * Blocks the creation of accounts with mixed-script, confusing and similar usernames.
 * Inputbox
 * This can do quite a few neat things. See the page for examples.
 * CentralAuth
 * Allows the merging of several user accounts(on different Wikis) into a single account.
 * CheckUser
 * Grants users with the appropriate permission the ability to check user's IP addresses and other information.


 * Newuserlog sounds cool. Not overly useful but kind of cool. CharInsert good Lord YES. I hate having to pull up OpenOffice, find the character I need in the "Insert Special Character" box, and copy-paste. Renameuser would be awesome if it didn't force us to rely on having a Bureaucrat around when we need it. :/ EasyTimeline... perhaps could be pretty awesome. It would at least look nice. AntiSpoof... might need to be combined with BlockTitles to be doubly effective. Inputbox I can't see much use for. I've always hated the "just click a button to make a page!" that just screams "yo. easy vandalization right here." The other options don't strike me as particularly useful. MergeAccount. Another one of those options that you can't really think of any use for it. Why would anyone have more than one account anyway outside of ban-evasion? CheckUser could be useful in certain situations (confirming sockpuppets, etc.), so I say YES PLZ. Too bad there's no one around to implement these! Oh how I wish an FTP'er was more active. D:< 21:27, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Renameuser can be for a sysop I think. A Bureaucrat would have to give you the "renameuser" right that this extension adds. Merge account is probably more useful on Wikipedia. See Sock puppetry for legit reasons. If Mases has access to the FTP, could he do it? His site doesn't seem to take up as much time, at the moment anyway, as Jason's. 21:42, July 5, 2008 (UTC)


 * Hm, I dunno. The page for Renameuser said that a "bureaucrat" could do it, saying nothing about a sysop also having or could-be-given the power. Regarding Mases, well, possibly. I can try contacting him and see if he's not too busy. 22:19, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


 * O believe me, my site takes up just as much time as probably anybody else on the Wiki. Probably more actually because of what ZD provides. I've been working on a full blown Twilight Princess Walkthrough nearly non-stop for the last month or so, putting in a good 4-5 hours a day in it. Then anything else I do at my site or posting at the forums or surfing other Zelda sites or the Wiki is just extra... Nevertheless, I think I just have more time in general on the internet than most others. I can help add the extensions but I'm just technologically retarded so somebody would have to guide me step by step in order to do it. A better solution is to simply allow Ando or Adam access so that they can do it themselves. I will bring this up at the super secretive ZW admin chat area. Mases 22:36, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I thought that I might point out that anyone can at least look at the FTP. You still need access to edit anything there. I admit that I've got no clue of how that is actually done. ZW admin chat area? I've heard rumors about this. Are there any details that you can shed some light on? I suppose there isn't, but it is always better to ask. 12:43, July 6, 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that. It is CentralAuth, not MergeAccount. I'm not sure if this will be useful for us yet. But if we make another wiki, Zeldapedia just did, then we can merge the accounts by creating a global account, see Unified login . Wikimedia uses this. So does Wikia. Anyone have anything to say about that? 13:18, July 6, 2008 (UTC)


 * I've installed a bunch of these - ones that don't require me to make new database tables or use the command line to install absurd programs. CentralAuth wants me to install it through the command line, which gets a big "eh, no" from me, even though I love the idea of a centralized account. I'd much rather implement OpenID, though, if we're gonna go in that direction. At any rate, I'm looking at Wikipedia's extensions and seeing if anything else is useful to ZW. I wish I could figure out which one gave Wikipedia that awesome search bar. --Jase 15:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Move the Search Box
I suggest that we move the search box up between "community" and "the masterminds". It would just be better if the search box was immediately visible without having to scroll down on any resolution. I'll put an image up so you guys can see what I'm talking about. No one panic. The image is just clever photo editing. Doesn't that look so much better?--Matt 06:48, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I've always thought that it was a little low. I personally don't need to scroll down so I really don't think about it, but I agree wholeheartedly. The problem is that I haven't quite figured out where to go to edit the sidebar. :/ I believe that Adam does, though... --Ando 13:11, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The page is MediaWiki:Sidebar. I'm not sure how that will help us move it though. I'm looking on the MediaWiki website right now.--Matt 13:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I found how to do it, I think. Look here. I think that the page means to edit . There isn't even a view source button for me. I looked through the context menu. It shouldn't be too difficult.--Matt 14:04, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Ahhh. I looked through the page you provided, and only the static navigation can be modified by me. "Monobook.php" is not something under the MediaWiki heading -- it's an actual .php file which only the Jason has access to be able to edit. So... sounds like someone needs to ask him. --Ando 15:44, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * That's just great. We'll never see it done. We've been waiting for him to fix the nickname box for nearly two months. That stinks.--Matt 16:06, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I have access to the ftp and can edit Monobook.php but it is not as simple as one would think. It's quite simple to edit the stuff in 'navigation', 'community', and 'the masterminds' but with 'search' and 'toolbox' it seems a hell of a lot more complicated. I tried this at one point at another Wiki that I worked on and I had no success. If anybody knows exactly how to do it, just let me know and I can take care of it. Mases 02:19, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, this page says exactly how to do it. I hope that will help.--Matt 02:34, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Wait, what the f**k? Mases has access to ftp? That's only supposed to be Jason! 17:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Umm... don't really know how to respond to this one. Jason is the founder and it seems obvious that Zelda Universe will always be the closest in ties with the Wiki, but technically speaking, everybody that is a webmaster of the supporting sites is considered a Zelda Wiki owner. Sure we don't pay the bills, deal with the advertisements, or mess with the hosting, but everything else is fair game. The goal of this is that on the outside it is to appear that nobody should really tell the difference of who 'owns' the Wiki. We all do... sorta. Mases 05:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * YEAH!! Who managed to do it? Actually, it might look better under the navigation box instead. 20:12, July 7, 2008 (UTC)


 * Jasonman found some time to make a few fixes (you may notice that the Nickname box is back and rarin' for action). Apparently the search box can only be moved either over the Navigation box or under the Masterminds box. No in-between. :/ But oh well, at least searching is easier now, right? :P 20:29, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Signature Preference
Our signatures that we made on subpages aren't working on the nickname box. It keeps trying to substitute it. I think it have an idea. I'll try it now. 20:52, July 7, 2008 (UTC)

I have solved this issue. The answer is on the page User Signatures. 23:01, July 7, 2008 (UTC)

Search Bar Help
whatis the difference beetween go & search--AndrewSutty 22:37, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


 * "Go" sends you directly to the article if it exists. "Search" will bypass this and send you to the same page you'd get if you tried looking up "balkfjiosfg". 23:06, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Languages
I was thinking we could extend this wiki by having diffrent languages. This of course, would be a huge project and would take a very long time. People who are fluent in other languages would have to take all 2000 someting articles and translate them into the other language. I know this would be a mega project, but would it be possible?--Link hero of light 00:51, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think that is an option. Too many people are not fluent in any language but their own. Doing this would too many other languages showing up where they are not supposed to. This wiki is about a game series. When the games were translated from Japanese to English a whole bunch of the meaning was lost and it takes expert translators quite some time to get it to be acceptable. We just can't do that here. we're too small. Wikipedia is huge so it is not a problem for it. Besides, from my understanding, we do not have the server space or the bandwidth for such a project. The wikis out there that have multiple languages are all backed by huge corporations that can afford really big servers. We don't have that option and we don't want it. So no more extra languages. 01:17, July 20, 2008 (UTC)


 * This was also attempted once. Some German guy made a copy of the Iron Knuckle page. Don't know what happened to it, think it got deleted. --Felicia's Champion 01:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Pretty much what's been said here. Anyone who COULD write a different-language Wiki article is probably the only one on the site who could read it anyway. Most languages have at least a small Zelda-related Wiki in their language anyway (unless it's a really small language). I mean, if there were a LARGE, LARGE demand for such a thing, perhaps, but there's really not. 01:35, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * That was not that long ago. I remember it. That German guy talked about it on the Hyrule Castle page that's on our sidebar. The discussion was since moved to here. 01:41, July 20, 2008 (UTC)


 * There may be a program for it but i donot know if words like "Moblin" translate into different languages . But i do know you can have the main stuff in different languages(like the things below about the license)--Rapido 14:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC) (edited 12:42, 22 July 2008 UTC)


 * Yeah, this could never happen for the reasons stated above. Also, as Matt pointed out, our pool of contributors is too small. I speak fluent Italian and Spanish, but I certainly don't have the time or inclination to translate the whole wiki. Plus I would likely be the only one working on those languages, so it would be like a full time (unpaid) job (and I already have one of those, not the unpaid bit thankfully!) Also, if it were ever possible to "finish" the translation, it would then need to be updated every day with all new edits to the relevant articles, i.e one small change to the Ganon article would require dozens of translators to spring into action. The alternative would be to translate everything and then leave it static and unchanged, which kind of defeats the purpose of a wiki... Basically, without trying to sound like a spoilsport, I have to agree that the premise is unworkable and a little naïve. For these reasons, the only language of the wiki remains American English, and I will continue to delete any translations which appear (for the record there have been previous attempts in French and Portuguese, among others. None were even of acceptable quality.) 05:46, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Some where just to big to translate?--Rapido 12:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The German guy is here again ;) I had problems with my computer, I'm sorry. Sure I can help to translate, but over 2600 articles are a little bit to much for one translator. Maybe I can find some help. But of course such a project won't be finished in a week or two. P.S.: The 'german Iron Knuckle' is on my discussion-page Sirius 01:07, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It was decided that we are not going to do this. Every time we edit a page, the same edit would have to be made to the translated page. Typically we have fifty to one-hundred articles edited every day. That is a lot of translated versions to make the same edits on. This is not something we are capable of doing. If only one person is able to make the changes to a vast amount of pages that change on daily, it becomes a liability and we cannot hope to ever keep up. So thanks for the offer. But we must accept that we have limits of what we are capable of doing. 06:20, August 10, 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, no problem. Maybe we'll find a way one day. Sirius 07:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually that's not completely true. If you look at Wikipedia in different languages you'll see that the pages differ quite, moreover not all pages are available in every language. So it would be more of a separate Wiki than a direct translation. Still if bandwith is a problem than sticking with just an English wiki would be for the best. Nictel 13:06, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That is how Wikipedia does it. But not all multilingual wikis do. MediaWiki has other languages on subpages. But we've already had enough server problems. So multiple languages is just never going to happen. 16:12, November 12, 2008 (UTC)


 * Hm ... what would you think about having interwiki links between articles in different languages at different wikis? Would look like Wikipedia's links to other languages with the only difference that the wikis are not located at the same domain. We have a German wiki called Zeldapendium, so it would be possible to link ZeldaWiki.org's articles with Zeldapendium's. I made an example of the interwiki links at the article about the Triforce (see "Andere Sprachen" [= other languages] at the end of the sidebar; could be linked using  if a sysop activates this feature). This would not cause any server problems here because the wiki is not located at this server. Btw, I also wrote Jason about this but have not received an answer yet - and sorry for any mistakes in this text, I'm from Germany (near Stuttgart, like Sirius^^) ;-) --Pascal 21:31, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, we've been talking about that. It seems like that staff thinks it is a good idea. 21:36, December 2, 2008 (UTC)


 * Seems good to me as well, though if it's like Pascal said, then we'll need to find other Zelda themed wikis of other languages. Also good to see someone else from Germany (even though I don't live there anymore =P). 22:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I set up the interwiki link. To prevent confusion, I put the site name as the key. So it works like this: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. 03:27, December 3, 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, I'm really pleased to see that you like our suggestion, thanks^^ But before we start linking anything: How would you propose to link the articles? Using "normal" interwiki links (= no interlanguage links) means that we have to put a link into the text. Shall we create a template with a text like "This article is also available in German at Zeldapendium:Article .", or a section like "==Other Languages==" per article? Or shall we use interlanguage links (but this requires the interwiki prefix to be "de:")? Pascal 20:41, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * We have the interwiki links set up. Adam has just started putting a template at the top of articles. But I like this "Other Languages" section better. 20:45, December 3, 2008 (UTC)

Advertisements
im a user so why is there still green text?Dragonstetraforce 22:33, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Do you mean the green text that shows advertisements when you move your mouse over them? Yes, that appears for everybody. However, if you click on the "?" in the box that shows up and choose "Disable ads", they will not appear for you anymore. 01:38, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * ive noticed something else. as you scroll down text gets bigger.Dragonstetraforce 16:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm on a new PC and I noticed it too. It is an artifact of Internet Explorer. Just get Firefox. There is another issue though. Why are the page diff and page histories all highlighted in white now? Did someone change something? 16:43, September 20, 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the diff / hist issue is just due to a lot of the graphical settings getting reset during the upgrade. Jason fixed most of them, but missed these two things. It's been brought up with him... a while ago (please have more time in your schedule to fix things, Jason D:). 21:06, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

's Inspiration
Hello, my name is Andrew and I currently live in Tokyo, Japan. I came across something rather interesting and I was wondering what everyone thought about it. As we all know, Shigeru Miyamoto is the creator behind Zelda, correct? but where did he get his motivation to build this game? I recently visited a place in Japan called "Onjuku", where a memorial museum exists that celebrates an event that happened many years ago (Something having to do with a spanish ship crashing onto the edge of chiba in the 1600s) Anyways, the first thing that occurred to me about this building is that it looks just like Hyrule castle. Now, this could simply be coinsidence, however when you cross the bridge over the "moat" or river that seperates the memorial from the beach and look at the statues of the two people in front of the building, one of them looks strikingly similar to zelda. The other one could perhaps be a modified Link. Now, after I saw that, I wondered what else might be around here of interest, and interestingly enough I found a forest opening next to the memorial. Walking through the forest leads nowhere. Last but not least, I walked up above the memorial to a tower labeled the "Mexico Memorial Tower". In Japanese the website (http://www.ebiotope.com/ti40spot03onjyuku05mexco.html) reads that in 1609 the phillipino spanish territory leader Don Rodrigo's ship hit a typhoon going to Mexico and crash landed there. Anyways, with all that aside, to me it looks a lot like the master sword was aquired here. The pictures belong to their respected Japanese sites (Guides for Onjuku and so forth)


 * First and foremost, allow me to say +1 awesomeness to you for being named Andrew. +2 awesomeness for being named Andrew and living in Japan. That out of the way, those are very interesting pictures, I must say. While I'm hesitant to say that these are where he got all of his ideas for the game, perhaps design ideas came from here? He's said that inspiration for Zelda (and sometimes Mario) came from when he explored the forests and caves near his home in Kyoto. But perhaps certain design elements came from Onjuku, assuming he ever visited. Perhaps it's also worth noting that the Triforce symbol is the same as a religious symbol in Japan... I don't really know what to say about this, honestly. On one hand, at the very least that building looks a LOT like it could have inspired Hyrule Castle, but at the same time... it just doesn't add up for me. Not sure why. :/ Very interesting info, though, thanks. 16:46, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Beta Content Articles
lets make articles on all the beta objects in the games! Dragonstetraforce 22:36, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, there are already a couple (such as Goron Golem). I'm not sure what else there could be that would justify its own article, though. 14:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * we could do the beta forest on twilight princess, if you look in the trailer for it or type in beta forest picture it comes up with pictures of a forest that isn't in the game, but is there really anything that we could write about it though? -Calibure


 * Actually, there's quite a bit of info, and I agree making a page for it. Most of it is theorizing though, so it should be treated as such. 15:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * i agree with it being theorized, so is it worth making it? -Calibure


 * Well, I could see a page like that being made much along the lines of Glitches in Ocarina of Time or something. And not the entire article would be theorization, either. A lot of it's factual - no one can deny that the beta items are there. 20:13, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I absolutely agree, but I was referring to beliefs about rumors of the beta forest is still in TP and etc. 22:11, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Er, right, sorry. I was rushing through reading that. :P But still! Yeah, a "Beta Items in [game]" page could work. None of the stuff really constitutes its own article, so might as well consolidate it all, right? 23:37, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah so lets make it!! But theres just one problem... I'm rubbish at writing yet alone making a whole page. so could one of you guys do it. heh heh sorry about that.. -Calibure


 * alright guys i'm gonna try and make a page about the beta forest, i'll tell you when i'm done, then you can see it and improve it. it should be up by tommorow. -Calibure


 * okay its done, i couldnt add any pictures because i dont know how. well could you guys look at it and improve it for.... it my first page ive created all by myself


 * Awesome, nice job. I added a few paragraphs and touched it up a bit to better follow the general Wiki format. You're free to add some pictures now (speaking of, there's a nifty little guide on just how to do that right here!), and maybe mention the cats because I totally forgot to do that. D: 07:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * thanks. I was able to add the picture but it may be a tad two big. -Calibure


 * So guys what else is there to make? Because i'm out of ideas (yes one is enough) actually we could do beta creatures (two ideas in one lifetime im on a roll) but do any of them have names and info? -Calibure

Main Page/Navigation Improvements
I feel that the Main Page and left side navigation could benefit from a bit of restyling. As it stands the Main Page feels crowded and confusing, the navigation currently isn't very inviting for someone who just wants to read something and isn't looking for something specific. For a comparison, I personally really like the navigation that Wookieepedia has. It is simple and through the drop-down menu still stores lots of links. Super-Experimental Masterminds' News Dashboard is nice but makes the page feel crowded and doesn't add much as all sites will most likely have the same news. The colour combination works unpleasant to me, perhaps (if possible) we could use the forest background that ZU has and change the colours accordingly. If not, at least have a few more colours than just different shades of blue. Nictel 21:07, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Reference Desk
I've brought this up before but let's see if it's better received this time. I think we should have a Reference Desk like Wikipedia's. Of course, it would be about Zelda. Users could ask questions such as: "Where is the shortcut when I'm racing Yeta?" Or maybe: "What is the name of those bat like creatures?" Then, a user who knows the answer would answer it. I would be willing to start this project out, but a person who knows more about Wiki technology could make it neater.--Link hero of light 01:15, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * 1) I obviously support this since I nominated this. Not only could users have their questions answered, we could add the answer to an article if not already there.--Link hero of light 01:15, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) (In response to opposition 1) If it was as easy as looking on Google for an answer, then would there even need to be a Zelda Wiki? The fact is, if someone searched what Link hero of light has said, wouldn't that bring you here? I support this knowing that it will help a lot of users, it wouldn't just help with Zelda content, but with templates as well. 12:40, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * 1) Users could easily go to Google, and try to find the answer. If there were to be one, it might have to be it's own page.  ...and be cleaned a lot, to stop annoying people when going down the page.  -Zien 02:13, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Er, well, the more articles and such that you have, the more server space you need which does cost money. Wikipedia's got tons of server space, and needs to be able to pay for it all, hence the $6,000,000 donation drive they're running right now. My personal thought is that most of the questions that could be posed could have answers found easily on Google (for instance, the first Google result for "bat creatures in zelda" gives me a web page about Keese), and any more specific questions that could be used to enhance an article ("where exactly is the location of [item], [place], etc.") could be posted on the specific article's talk page. Game help questions are what strategy guides on fan sites or GameFAQs are for. Basically, every question has its place already, and I don't see what extra benefit this plan could have. A nice idea on paper, but I can't see it being of any help. 23:24, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Ando, you've echoed many of the points I made the last time this suggestion was raised. As you'll guess, my opinion has changed very little. The only practical application of such an area here (that I can see) is to offer strategy guide-like assistance, and we're already being quite clear on the fact that ZW.org doesn't cover material of that type. Personally, I don't see how we could offer any advantage over GameFAQs in this area. Also, Ando makes a valid point regarding hosting. While there's clearly a question of scale, all webspace costs money, and we already have inline text ads here to mitigate that fact. We effectively ensure that the wiki remains viable by focusing on the task at hand and making ZW.org the best Zelda wiki there is, and not by diversifying into other realms such as this. 07:41, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Just a note to say that a conversation about this is being placed in the staff area for further discussion by, well, the staff. This voting session WILL be taken into considerable account, however, so please do continue to vote! 06:35, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * 1) while i belive we should do this, do we have enough people, time, and space on the webpage to do this? if so, is it a waste of space as already said people can just go to google where things like that are already up and running? -Calibure
 * There's plenty of people and time. Wiki's can hold as much space as anyone wants. Look at Wikipedia with 2,663,141 articles! Steven was right when he said that if people could just go to Google why have a Zelda wiki. There's lot's of thing's Google doesn't have. Also, if the person can't find something, and someone knows the answer, the answer could be added to the article. --Link hero of light 23:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I do not know if this is true, but don't you have to pay more if your site has more k's? If so, it would just take up room, which would be "a waste of space, and money." -Zien 23:09, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The help desk would be just a page, it would be no different than adding a full article 23:52, 19 December 2008 (UTC) (edited 23:53, 19 December 2008 UTC)
 * Lhol IS supporting this. He started the whole thing. :P 23:54, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Christmas Decorating
This is just an idea, but I would be neat if the main page was decorated for Christmas. Sure, not everbody celebrates Christmas, but it would be original and it would only be up for a day. It would just be fun to have something new like that. Is this a lousy idea or a good idea? --Link hero of light 23:46, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I think this is quite a good Idea, but it should be up for more than a day, it could be up for 20th to 31st, for example. --user:Calibure


 * That would be great, I was planning on making a holiday theme for my icon on my navbar anyway. I'm not sure what could be done though, decorating wise, since this isn't like ZU where the website is made of multiple images. 14:41, 19 December 2008 (UTC)