Talk:Princess Zelda

Name
Zelda's name is Princess Zelda (or possibly more formally Princess Zelda Hyrule). Not Zelda Harkinian (after King Harkinian), in the same way that it is not Zelda Daltus (after King Daltus, or Zelda Daphnes Nohansen (after Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule)!! --Adam 13:48, 8 August 2007 (PDT)

Age
Someone changed her age from about 17 to about 20; is there an official source for this? Or if we are just guessing, would it not be better to suggest her age as "late teens"? Adam

17 - 19

That's what Link is in tp? so zelda's almost certainly the same age!


 * OK, if we're saying 17-19, isn't that the same thing as "late teens" as I said above? Adam 12:54, 24 April 2007 (PDT)


 * Yeah, true. Sorry. :)

im pretty sure somewhere in a nitnedo magazine i read 17 - 19 so lates teens is correct.

"Princess Zelda is about 20 years old, and is the Queen-in-waiting of Hyrule." <--- this statment comes from the official players guide to Twilight Princess.


 * Do you mean this one?

No, this one This is where I found the info on Zelda. She's on the right side, third person down. I found the page at The Hylia. In their toolbar, there is word "Media" with an Ocarina. -->


 * Thank you very much, I've now cited this as a source in the article. --Adam 13:09, 21 June 2007 (PDT)

You're Welcome.


 * Is a strategy guide really a good source for information like this? Strategy guides have been known to screw things up, Prima included (you can't get the Honey & Darling heart piece in Majora's Mask before Woodfall, Prima). Ando 21:24, 19 January 2008 (EST)
 * Addendum: After re-going through the game, I've deemed it IS possible to do that, so, uh... They still made some mistakes in the Majora's Mask guide, though. D:< --Ando 23:04, 1 February 2008 (EST)
 * Since you apparently agree that strategy guides can get it wrong, isn't it wiser to generalize and say "late teens", so nothing is explicitly wrong? Saibh 16:14, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

I have the Prima guide in my lap right now. It says Premiere Edition, not Collector's Edition. The words for Princess Zelda are "Princess Zelda is about 20 years old, and is the queen-in-waiting of Hyrule." While I'm reluctant to take a third-party guide's word for it, even if it has the official Nintendo seal, the information seems accurate. Zelda does seem to be a few years older than Link. We should use the technical terms. Someone twelve to eighteen years of age is called an adolescent. Eighteen to forty is young adult. A middle aged adult is forty to sixty-five. The sixty-five and up is old age. Oh, and about one-and-a-half to eleven is a child. Below one-and-a-half is an infant. Source: "Table of development periods" I would say that Link is an adolescent, I know it makes him sound young but it is the correct term. Zelda would be a young adult. That fits best.--Matt 19:35, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Don't understand
although she does not become a spirit like her people under the influence of the Twilight King's magic. The reason may be from Zelda's Triforce of Wisdom. What does this line mean?


 * I thought the same first time I read that sentence. I've rewritten it; does that make more sense? --Adam 17:56, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

This is a good article, but i am disappointed that it became the featured article. I'm not sure why, but I have a deep down hatred for Zelda (link does all the work and she reaps all the rewards?) Anyway, I guess this means i shouldn't be here.--Claire 20:46, 31 January 2008 (EST)


 * Wait, she reaps all the rewards? What? She gets just as much as Link. :/ --Ando 14:11, 1 February 2008 (EST)

I put it in the parentheses because i didn't mean it literally, possibly a reason somebody else would understand. I hate Zelda; but at the same time I feel bad for her, because i hate her. Whats the word?...--Claire 20:53, 1 February 2008 (EST)

The word is. . . uh. . .oh. . .nevermind. --Claire 19:19, 17 February 2008 (EST)

Just a thought
"Link transformed into a wolf by the Twilight's power." <--found in the explanation of Zelda's role in TP.

I thought Link was transformed because he was also protected from the twilight (because he holds the triforce of courage), like Zelda, (holds the triforce of wisdom).

When he enterted twilight, the triforce started to glow on his hand, and transformed/protected him. Isn't that something of what one light spirit said?


 * Correct. The quote form Faron is:

"In the land covered in twilight, where people roam as spirits, you were transformed into a blue-eyed beast... That was a sign... It was a sign that the powers of the chosen one rest within you...and that they are awakening."

- Faron upon the return of light to Faron province


 * And the triforce emblem is shown on Link's hand as he transforms into a wolf. The implication of this is that the power of the triforce offers partial protection from the effect of twilight, by enabling Link to maintain a corporeal (if altered) form. --Adam 02:54, 28 September 2007 (EDT)

Zelda is kinda creepy as a kid in oot.

I Wanna Know If She Remembers??
I was wondering after the Legend Of Zelda : OOT, does anyone know if Zelda remembers Link at the end of the game when Link goes to her as children?


 * Nope, she doesn't. During Majora's Mask, when you reclaim the Ocarina of Time, a memory of Zelda comes back to Link and she says that, although she hasn't known him for a long time, she feels as if she has forever. Saibh 18:17, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok....but your missing the fact that she say "I'll never forget the time we spent in hyrule." So i think she remembers!And she wouldn't entrust someone she just met with the ocarina,and to top it all they hardly knew each other to began with seeing that he was in the temple of time for seven years!


 * Well, we know for a fact he comes back to meet Zelda from the end of OoT. There's no saying a certain amount of time hadn't passed. Besides, if Zelda had remembered, than she wouldn't of said that she hadn't known him for that long. If you already had an opinion, why'd you ask? O.o Saibh 20:37, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I didn't know it's just an opinion i thought there was a fact......

Triforces
Does anyone know why Zelda was still normal...but Link turned into a wolf??? Does that mean the triforce of wisdom is stronger or something ..why didn't she change or why DID Link change if she didn't? --Remo 04:07, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I've been wondering that too. Perhaps it was because she was the person who chose Hyrule's fate. Therefore, her remaining normal would be part of her punishment. It could be that Zelda is aware of the Triforce of Wisdom and knows how to use it. Link, however is not aware right away. It is just a guess. I'm not sure.--Matt 04:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

that makes more sense..the part about knowing she had the triforce..I think since Midna turned into an imp being human wouldn't be a punishment for her. --Remo 18:37, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I heard a while ago during the game's development that the cloak protected her or something. I think I read it in Nintendo Power, so really, could be true, could be a load of crap. :/ --Ando 04:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * See, Link would have been protected... however, he is the chosen hero of the light world and the twilight realm (lucky guy). And Midna says, after the sages reveal her identity, that the hero of the twilight realm would appear as a blue-eyed beast, so that's why link changed.  At least I think that's why...  --Zelda45 21:42, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That made me think. How does she end up in the castle in the end? What exactly happened to her when she saved Midna? Any ideas?--Matt 04:36, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Questions I've been pondering for a while now. They didn't do a very good job of explaining these things. I'd say that Zelda lent Minda some Triforce magics, but why would that make Zelda disappear? And I highly doubt that Zelda would just... give Midna the Triforce (if that's even possible). As for her being in the castle... uh... Ganondorf's a pretty powerful dude. Okay, in case anyone didn't know, Twilight Princess is full of gross inconsistencies and poorly-explained plot points. It's The Subspace Emissary all over again~ --Ando 04:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, let's blame it all on Ganondorf! With all the inconsistencies, it is the only thing that remotely makes sense.--Matt 04:46, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Here's sort of an answer. Zelda gives some of her power to Midna. Let's say that this power isn't related to the Triforce -- remember that the Hylians are supposed to have magical abilities. This power was keeping Zelda from turning into a spirit in the twilight. Zant causes Midna to exist in a physical form in the light world. Zelda gives Midna her power and it works in reverse for Midna. But at the same time Ganondorf has entered the castle and had magically summoned Zelda as she was giving her power. Does any of this make sense?--Matt 23:55, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

to me...nope the thing that makes most sense is that link didn't know what his mark was so it acted on impulse. Although now that I think about it...Midna said in the prophecy the Divine Beast with Blue eyes would save them....does that mean Wolves are like gods to the twili or did they only know it was a beast?--Remo 16:59, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

it could reference one of three things: 1. wolves are divine because they, like the twilight, represent both light and shadow at the same time; 2. link's wolf form is especially divine because it has form no other non-twili has; 3. the "divine beast" line means that link's wolf form is divine because of the triforce. hopes this helps --Sk8torchic

I thought Zelda was some sort of projection - her body was kept in the throne room all along, but she could use the Triforce of Wisdom to project herself as the illusion of a person (to a nearby tower if no further, where she could talk with Midna). When she saved Midna, she lost that power and reverted to being a comatose "statue" under Zant & Ganon's magic (or went into Midna? Considering the effect when she woke up, and that Ganondorf could puppeteer her body...) - SanityOrMadness 02:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Interesting theory. We cannot be sure either way. So we will very likely never know. It is the Triforce of Wisdom. Wisdom would mean knowledge of magic. So that very well could include astro-projection, that is what that is called. But like all theories here, it still holes. It doesn't explain what she did to Midna. It is a mystery. 02:29, October 11, 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, we know what she did to Midna - she made her able to exist in the Light without injury, and healed the (mortal) injuries she'd already suffered thanks to Zant pulling her out of the shadow and exposing her directly to the Light Spirit's intense light - even if the mechanics of it are (probably deliberately) unclear, that's explicit in the game's text:
 * Before that point, Midna is always an insubstantial shadow in the Light - regardless of whether you're a wolf or a human, and whether it's a cut scene or gameplay - but afterward she is always on your back in wolf mode, and appears solid beside humanoid Link in cut scenes (claiming that the reason she's a shadow at other times with human Link is that she wants to keep a "low profile", even when you enter the Palace of Twilight)
 * And, of course, Zant explicitly says she can't survive in the Light just before he pulls her out of the shadows and shoves her into the Light Spirit (he, of course, is backed by the Triforce of Power, thanks to Ganon, and that's why he can take the Light in that scene - which makes me think that Zelda *does* give Midna the Triforce of Wisdom. Interestingly, Midna's Light-tolerance persists even after Zelda's power [and spirit?] reverts to her - perhaps Midna keeps a link to Zelda, similar to the Zant-Ganondorf link that's only broken when Ganondorf dies? And that's how she survives losing to Ganondorf after she warps Link & Zelda to Hyrule Field?)
 * (The last part's speculation, of course; like speculating over Zelda astrally projecting as a way of explaining why she fades out yet her body is around later; but that's what makes it fun :)) - SanityOrMadness 23:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

We all knew what the effects of what Zelda did to Midna. Those were obvious. What we don't know is how Zelda did it. 00:01, October 12, 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure I read somwhere that Zelda shared her heart with Midna. I think she says in the game something like "Our hearts were one..." Anyway, if this is the case it would have made her too weak to resist the powerful magic of Zant/Ganondorf and she was probably snatched by Ganondorf or something.--NintenJoe231 05:51, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Merge
Okay, there are two merge proposals. One to merge with Zelda's Swords and one to merge with Sheik.

We should definitely merge with Zelda's Swords. But I'm against merging with Sheik. Mainly because that will completely spoil the game for anyone that has not finished it. We should not do it. 04:27, December 11, 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, on the Sheik talk page I said I'm against the Sheik merge for the exact reason as you. I am supportive of the swords merge. 08:16, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Featured Status
This article has been flagged for not citing enough. Doesn't that mean it loses it's FA status? I'm not sure how it works here, but that's the way it would work on some of the other wiki's I hang out at. 18:04, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Adding a gallery
I was thinking that maybe adding a gallery and putting all of Link's appearances throughout the series under said gallery. Mainly just artwork, because right now the page looks a bit messy and unprofessional with images all over the place. What do you guys think? I'll gladly do it if you guys agree, I'm just asking for opinions since this could be a pretty big change to the page. I wouldn't remove ALL the images, but just some of them to make the page look neat and clean. Dany36 19:00, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Never mind, someone just enlightened me. I'll just clean it up. Dany36 19:44, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Puppet Zelda
I was thinking that Puppet Zelda should have her own article. She's considered a boss (has her own introduction title and everything), and most bosses have their own page with their own boss template, so I figured why not have one for Puppet Zelda, too? Thoughts? Dany36 21:13, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Since Zelda is possessed in more than just one game now, I'd say an article regarding these possessions can be justified. Teamrocketspy621 17:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm yeah....the ST section is quite long, but it needs to be there. It'd be a good idea to split them off into their own articles now. Dany36 07:02, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd like to bring this up again. Does anyone else think it's a good idea to make Puppet Zelda (or Possessed Zelda) into her own page? Zelda has been possessed more than once now AND she's considered a boss anyway. Plus, Puppet Zelda and Possessed Zelda take up quite a lot of space in each of their respective game sections. Dany36 23:31, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Aw...come on, is no one going to say anything? I'd really like to know if anyone else thinks this is a good idea or not. :P Dany36 21:54, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Zelda, the Name
Before my thoughts, check this: "When the princess shown in The Adventure of Link was put to sleep, her brother, the Prince of Hyrule who was partly to blame for her comatose state, decided that in honor of his sister every princess born in to the Royal Family of Hyrule should be named Zelda. It is unclear if this explains the name of every Princess Zelda, since the order of the games is unknown" -Sice the time line is a big confusion in the series, can we consider that naming a princess "Zelda" was always a tradition,and that at some point was made into a law by her brother?

Alter egos
Should Zelda's Phantom form be added to the Alter egos section? I don't know if it quite counts, so I'll get some second opinions. Teamrocketspy621 01:04, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... The Alter-Egos listed in the page are based on appearances that Zelda uses to hide her identity (Sheik was made to hide from Ganondorf, and so was Tetra...in a sense, even though she wasn't aware that she was Zelda), and that doesn't really fit that description. But maybe I'm wrong, so we'll have to get some other opinions. Dany36 01:35, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Did someone say "Alter"? I think you're right. It probably could be made into its own page at this point. I'll support it. 22:31, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Zelda name
"Princess Zelda is one of the most important characters of The Legend of Zelda series, which is also why her name appears in the title of every game."

While her importance in the series is there, i'm not quite sure if her status as a character is why the games are named after her. Does anyone have information to support this?--LuigiBros64