Zelda Wiki talk:Featured Picture Nomination

Votes
Can I vote for the same picture twice or more? --Link hero of light 13:50, 18 December 2007 (EST)


 * I don't really think that would be fair :) --Adam 14:12, 18 December 2007 (EST)

Too many pictures
I'd just like to point out that this page has too many Currently Nominated images...--Bigrageous 00:53, 28 December 2007 (EST)


 * Well it used to be six. Adam, left six when there were like seven or eight, I think.  So I think were over and he allowed it this one time, but after one more picture becomes featured the rule will be enforced.  So were free from the rule in that there are five pictures, but we can't nominate anymore.  Sorry I'm tired so I'm not as clear in my words.--Green 01:03, 28 December 2007 (EST)

I'm still kinda new here, but who is Adam?--Claire 00:48, 29 December 2007 (EST)

Adamcox82 is a sysop. He is probably the most active member of the wiki.--Link hero of light 00:52, 29 December 2007 (EST)

Inconsistent Featured Time
It seems a little bizarre to have one image/article featured for less than five days, and then another featured for a month. Perhaps instead of putting up the next one as soon as its voted on, just add it to a list that's rotated weekly (or something along those lines)? --Douken 19:57, 15 February 2008 (EST)


 * I've been thinking the same thing for a while now; to be honest I'm still trying to decide whether the rotation should be weekly, hourly or daily! I'll work on the coding, if you guys could let me know what you'd prefer. To be honest, this has become such a popular feature that each picture will inevitably become featured at some stage (except if the original nominator removes or replaces it), so this would be a more reasonable than what we currently have (where, by rights, I should now be replacing the picture featured only 36 hours ago with a new one!) --—Adam (talk) 02:13, 16 February 2008 (EST)


 * OK, so made a decision and I've set up a schedule which will allow the pictures to be automatically rotated every 48 hours. When a new picture reaches 10 votes, I'll override the auto-rotation and leave it up on the main page for about 7-10 days, than switch back to auto-rotation. At the moment we have Sheik, which will stay up until of next week, then I'll replace it with the pigs until the end of the month, then on to automatic rotation until another pic gets 10 votes (of course, that may change if we get more votes sooner...)
 * As a side thought, we may have to add a subsection for voting AGAINST a picture being featured, since otherwise a picture which some may have legitimate objections to will eventually get featured anyway; thoughts? —Adam (talk) 10:29, 16 February 2008 (EST)


 * The schedule definitely sounds like a good addition. As for voting against a picture being featured, it sounds genius.  I suppose there would be a page listing all featured articles with vote listings underneath it, and ten or twelve votes would be able to disqualify from being featured? --Douken 10:48, 16 February 2008 (EST)


 * I was thinking more like this for adding opposition to nominations. I'd say three votes against should be enough to disqualify an article (after all, if there is justifiable criticism against it, this should carry more weight than votes in favour). —Adam (talk) 13:21, 23 February 2008 (EST)

So after looking at the featured material rotation schedule, I have to ask... what happens after there are over 15 featured articles / pictures? --Ando (T : C) 13:40, 26 March 2008 (EDT)


 * Good question. Short answer; I don't know! This was the only solution I could come up with for automatic rotation, and I realised at the time that it could only work temporarily. Suggestions would be most welcome! —Adam (talk) 15:21, 26 March 2008 (EDT)


 * Ok, so the hour is nigh, and the schedules are full:
 * Zelda Wiki.org:Featured Article schedule
 * Zelda Wiki.org:Featured Picture schedule
 * The only immediate solution I can see is to remove the current duplication in these lists, and have each article featured for only 24 hours. My problem with this is that it seems an awfully short time, and also that the rotation would then only work for the first 2 weeks of each month. This was only my interim solution to the rising activity in this area. Maybe we need to change to something like a simple chronological list, whereby the article is manually changed to the next in sequence each week (or whatever period is deemed appropriate)? Thoughts? —Adam (talk) 05:21, 6 April 2008 (EDT)

Hold on...
I've read the rules of voting, and although they're almost entirely what I need to know, one thing eludes me.

Let's say I vote on, say, April 20. Does this mean I have to wait until May 20 to vote again, or can I vote by May 1? —Yuvorias 22:31, 22 March 2008 (EST)


 * Well Adam made a vote on the 23rd of February, and then the next less than a whole month after, on the 20th of March. So I'd say that if a sysop can do it, so can you. As long as the calendar month has changed, go for it. --Ando (Talk) 17:40, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Righto, thanks. --Yuvorias, 12:36 23 March, 2008 (EST)


 * Yeah, that's the intention; 1 vote per calendar month. So you could vote on the 31st of March and again on the 1st of April, then leave your next vote until the 27th of May, for example. 3 calendar months, 3 votes; the spacing of those votes is immaterial (also, I don't think I could manage to count 28 days between everyone's votes AND retain my sanity!) —Adam (talk) 06:34, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

Young Link with the Master Sword
Hey, since the picture has 10 signed votes, isn't it ready to have be a featured picture now? Or does the fact that some of the votes aren't "signed correctly" (i.e. they just typed --theirname instead of -- ~ )? --Ando (T : C) 15:24, 24 March 2008 (EDT)


 * Yup, my vote was the clincher, just didn't have time to do the business. Done now :) —Adam (talk) 17:14, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Supporting and Opposing Votes
You can normally only vote once a month, if I'm not mistaken. Does this limitation apply uniformly to both supporting and opposing votes (so one could simultaneously support one image and oppose another)? --Douken 20:14, 4 April 2008 (EDT)


 * WE HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS, SIR --Ando (T : C) 21:28, 4 April 2008 (EDT)


 * Ah, sorry, you're right, I should have checked both nomination pages first. (Still, was the hatred really necessary?) --Douken 14:12, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe not hatred, but surely uncalled-for annoyance. Really, block caps? Harsh ;) —Adam (talk) 17:41, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Aw, poop. I didn't mean to pass myself off as annoyed. Sorry about that. It was more so just trying to be humorous? Bah, it's hard to explain. Just know that I wasn't annoyed with you or anything! :D --Ando (T : C) 18:10, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Adding a picture
Can just anyone add a picture to be nominated? I had some ideas and wasn't sure how. ZeldaGirl96 20:09, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Go right ahead, just follow the guidelines at the top of the page :) 20:23, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Replacing Old Pictures with New Versions.
How are we going to do this? When a old featured image has a new and better replacement created, how are we going to get that featured. I've thought this through and I have a few ideas.
 * Option A
 * Nominate the new image, make a note in the summary that it is intended as a replacement for an existing one.
 * When voted in, the new image replaces the old one in the gallery at the bottom and on the featured image template.
 * Option B
 * Nominate the new image, make a note in the summary that it is intended as a replacement for an existing one.
 * When voted in, the new image replaces the old one in the featured image template. But the old image is automatically disqualified and is marked as such.

I would prefer option B as it is better for records. So let's decide. I know that we need to do this with the Faron image and Death Sword image. I think this could work. 17:30, August 29, 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'd go with B too. I'd also suggest that maybe these substitute/improved images should be excluded from the normal limit of four nominees at a time, otherwise the process of upgrading existing images may begin to interfere with choosing new ones. 20:20, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps in another section of the page? 20:36, August 29, 2008 (UTC)

what?!
somebody deleted my nomination before anyone voted.Dragonstetraforce 19:48, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Um, you haven't made a featured picture nomination at all. 20:25, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

i JUST SAID it was DELETED. *breaks keyboard*Dragonstetraforce 20:35, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Grow up and cut out the attitude. What Ando (correctly) pointed out was that you've never made an edit to the Featured Picture Nomination page . So neither of your above comments make any sense. 21:38, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

yes i did. but just to be sure is the featured picture format differnt than featurd article?Dragonstetraforce 22:32, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

oh wait i forgot. server crash. ignore my last 3 comments.Dragonstetraforce 22:35, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Like... a Zelda Wiki server crash? Am I the, uh, only person on staff who doesn't know anything about this at all? 12:02, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

i wouldent exactly say it was a server crash. more of a error that was on this page a few days ago. it said something like "cannot edit#{ – } login error" or something. im not sure if im the only one who saw it.Dragonstetraforce 21:42, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

links piggy pals
already featured.Dragonstetraforce 20:09, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No one put it on the nomination page, or did they? 20:17, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Nah, I think DTF is confused because it's back on the main page. The featured articles and featured pictures are on a rotating schedule, so you'll see the same ones pop up every now and then. They change every 2 days. 21:01, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

i get it. Dragonstetraforce 18:58, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

More nominations
I think that more nominations should be alowed. The only reason four was made the maximum was because once there was about 10 nominations. I think the maximum nomination should be moved up to six at a time. Lately, the pictures have been getting very few votes and we haven't had a new picture in awhile. If Six picture were allowed, we could have a new picture more often.--Link hero of light 02:32, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That is okay by me. Sound great. 02:50, November 4, 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we should take a vote?--Link hero of light 03:34, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Well I'm not sure we'll have new featured pictures more often, but I don't see the harm in bumping it up by one or two. 03:38, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... when the one or two more opposition votes didn't have any harm and you rejected it? You, sir, are terribly inconsistent with your standards. This could let in "average content" just like it was claimed for the opposition votes. And I'm all for it! 03:42, November 4, 2008 (UTC)


 * ...How did you get that? I saw harm in doing that. I don't see harm in this, meaning I don't see how it could let in any average content. I mean, we've got unlimited featured article nominations, and that hasn't proven to allow average content. If you could enlighten me, though, please do so. I'd like to know any risks this will carry. 04:20, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Exactly!!! I could not see how you could think that there was harm in the opposition votes. You cannot see what harm is in this. It doesn't make sense. Either of them! Why? There is no harm in either. It was a test. 04:33, November 4, 2008 (UTC)


 * I've increased the maximum amount to six nominees. IMO, this will not enable images to be featured more frequently; the opposite will happen, since the votes cast will be spread more thinly between the available candidates. But time, and not opinions, will tell.
 * Also, Matt (and, to a lesser extent, Ando), please stop arguing about every single word which the other writes. This is a completely different issue from those previously raised, and should be treated as such. I find it absurd that two people who share the same opinion on something should still use it as an opportunity to disagree with each other. P.S. this is just my opinion, and not a reason to start a secondary dispute ;) 18:48, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I wasn't really arguing. I intentionally made an absurd claim about this policy. Just to so you two how I felt when you unintentionally made the very same absurd claim about my policy. They are both ridiculous claims. I've clearly spelled out that the downsides that you two pointed out in it do not exist, yet you will not change your minds. Now who is being unreasonable? 20:25, November 4, 2008 (UTC) Are you biased here Adam? You approved and implemented something you liked without hesitation. But we had to vote on one you didn't like. That doesn't look quite right.


 * OK, I'll say it again. This and the voting policy issues are entirely different, so if you want to flog that dead horse please could you do it here? On the subject at hand, the limit of four was a purely arbitrary one set my myself, in order to combat a particular issue at the time. It has no bearing on general voting policy (which the other suggestions do, hence the difference) so I see no need for a vote when there is already a consensus of 4:0. (Also Matt, rest assured that, as frustrating as it may be for you that nobody else can see things from your point of view, it's just as frustrating for them that neither can you!) 21:23, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Nomination limit changed
'''As stated above, the limit for concurrent featured picture nominations has been increased from four to six. If you have any concerns, comments or suggestions relating to this change, please add these below for due consideration. Thank you. ''' 21:23, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Can Nominations be Placed in Advance?
I've got an image I hope to nominate the next go-round. I was wondering if it's possible to go ahead and put it up for the next month. Not really sure how it works. Also, when do they restart? 07:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi! Our nominations don't work on a time-limit basis. Once something is nominated, it remains there until either:
 * It gets enough Support votes to become Featured (10),
 * It gets enough Opposition votes to be disqualified (3), or
 * It is removed/withdrawn by the user who originally nominated it.
 * The only real restriction is the maximum of six nominations at any one time. At the moment, we have six so nothing new can be added until one has been removed by one of the three methods described above. A hint; Faron needs only one more vote to become Featured, making way for whatever you want to nominate ;) 17:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I just voted for faron. I went ahead and put up the image I wanted to nominate (I hope that's ok).

New header
This was discussed in Skype with some agreement, The negated comments make the page look sloppy, One suggestion was to remove them entirely, but I (and some others) think a better format would be to add a new header "Negated Comments" below "Neutral Comments" as needed only. Since it's a wiki at work here, the best thing to do is get some opinions. 07:15, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm all for this, a great idea Axiomist. This would of course also apply to Zelda Wiki.org: Featured Article Nomination if agreed upon. 08:06, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Death Sword Opposition
I for one was in support of the semi-transparent version, but I noticed there were three votes there were negated because they apparently went against the rule set for opposing images. My problem with this is that this featured picture nomination is supposed to be highly opinionated, and basically a popularity contest. I for one love that the new image is rendered and transparent, since I think it just looks a lot cleaner on the Wiki. Others like that it was originally placed on a black background because it added to the ghostly feel to it, which was likely the original intention of the image. Nevertheless, in both cases I think its just a clear opinion. Since its a direct comparison, and we are pretty much voting which we prefer, I think that those negated votes should actually count. Otherwise... I would say my vote shouldn't even count, right? Mases 18:44, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It is a necessary evil. And they go against the guidelines. They were voting on the subject. Not the picture itself. It clearly says not to do that. There is no debate. 19:01, May 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * How were they voting on the subject? They gave their opinion. Those votes are valid. 19:10, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Matt does a face palm. It says quite clearly at the top of the page "not liking the style or subject of a particular image is not why it can't be featured." They don't like the style of the image. Voting on the style or subject is against the guidelines. "It doesn't have that ghostly quality"- that's the style of the image. The votes are out. 19:22, May 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * If that is how you judge the validity of a vote. Then just negate mine as well. My vote was not any different than the ones you said to be invalid. 19:26, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

While I have no opinion on the images one way or the other, I will agree with Matt that the votes that have been negated are indeed invalid. All state basically the same thing: "it just doesn't look as good stylisticly", which, according to the opposition guideline Matt referenced, makes it invalid. A proper opposition might state that the new image has a much poorer resolution or something (which, clearly, it doesn't), but an opposition of "it doesn't look ghostly enough" is just invalid, as it references the style of the image, not the quality of it. You can vote FOR something based purely on "dude, that's a cool image", but oppositions are strictly for "whoa, that thing's waaaay too blurry for featured status". 19:38, 12 May 2009 (UTC)