Talk:Link/Archive 1

Changed 'linx' of the name explanation to 'links' and added dutch to the languages, I'm dutch, and understand some good german, and I was somewhat astonished at finding this strange word as told to be in our language....

Link actually has many Indo-European roots, but no one single root should be mentioned, because there is not one single root.

FATAL ERROR!
when I went to the article, it just gave me a page: Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 31457280 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 9600 bytes) in /home/zeldaw/public_html/includes/media/Bitmap.php on line 165

is the article destroyed?


 * No, the article is fine, it's just an error with one of the images. Quite simply, this image File:Linkbrawl.jpg (now File:SSBB Link Model.png) is extremely large, and thus has been resized within the page to 400 pixels width. It seems that the current image software on the new server we have moved to is unable to render this correctly, hence generating the error you see. The same thing is happening on Jason's page, where he has a high res photo. This image software is causing a number of other problems, such as being unable to render transparent PNG (again related to resize). Jason is aware and is working on a fix. In the meantime, I've reverted the page to Revision as of 23:55, 29 March 2007, before that image was added. Unfortunately this is the only way I can get the page to display, as any attempt to edit a later revision to remove the offending image simply gives another error! I've also protected the page, since there is no point in editing a 6 month old version, but at least it can be viewed now! --Adam 02:22, 12 September 2007 (EDT)

"Merged with Hero of Winds"?
Why would you merg Hero of Winds with Link? The Hero of the Winds isn't a real Link.


 * While I agree with people who say he isn't a descendant of Link, I have to agree with the article Hero Of Winds being merged with Link. Even if he isn't related to him, he's still a Link. He's the main protagonist of The Wind Waker, and his name is Link. Therefore, he's a Link, just not related to The Hero Of Time. (Hero Of Winds and Hero Of Time are two different heroes, two different Links, but they are still Link. Not the same Link, not related, but still, their default names are LINK. Get it?)

That is true -- he had to discover the triforce -- the symbol wasn't on his hand, so he isn't a descendant of Link. Whereas the Link in Twilight Princess starts of the game with the triforce symbol.

True that it is not a real decendet of Link that we know of but it is said that in the end of Ocarina of Time Ganondof says " I will reak revenge on your decendents" so I think that it is right for it to be put in with link


 * Yes but that doesn't mean it could be another Link. Yusei 20:12, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Went through and corrected some grammar mistakes.

NO. Do not merge it.

In wind waker when Kind of red lions is talking to jabun he say, "no he is not connected to that hero, yet i sense great courage in him". Calibure 17:50, 20 December 2008 (UTC)Calibure

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i think that they are differnt the hero of winds is the title bestowed on the person who controles the winds etc in that game and not like so i think the hero of winds subject is differnt to links just my view


 * Yes, but "Hero of Time" redirects to Link. Why shouldn't Hero of Winds do the same? --Jase 13:43, 20 April 2007 (PDT)


 * Absolutely true, this page should be incorporated as a section within Link. Adam 13:59, 20 April 2007 (PDT)


 * I'll do the merger sometime today, then. --Jase 04:21, 21 April 2007 (PDT)

I think in the wind waker that zelda was his desendant while link just happened to be on an island probly with a group of fans that made every kid dress in green at the ceramony.

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Yeah, in the Wind waker it states before the game " it beacme customary to garb boys in green"

the Link in the wind waker has no connection whatever to the previos Link(s) or Zelda(s)

and if he didnt already have the triforce on his hand then he's not gonna be link's descendant is he? cos that wuda been passed down too. Think about it.


 * Why is it necessary for a descendant to have the triforce on his hand? If the triforce pieces were scattered, wouldn't it have been impossible for it to be on his hand at the same time? And when the pieces were collected, did it not appear on his hand? Therefore whether or not the triforce is on his hand does not make a descendant - blood lineage does. If any fool can up and find the triforce and have the mark appear on their hand, then every single Link could well be unrelated. However, we know that's not the case, and thus should be inclined to say that the Link in TWW is a direct descendant of the OoT Link. --Jase 18:00, 14 May 2007 (PDT)

Actually the King of red lions talks about how as the hero of time left on another adventure he had to be removed from what made him a hero (aka master sword and triforce, NO not his hat) so that could be why Link, hero of winds, never had the triforce in him, also zelda had a shard of the triforce as a necklace, and in the royal family so definatally zelda, oot's cecendant, so does it really matter? Calibure 17:50, 20 December 2008 (UTC)Calibure

In Wind Waker, Ganondorf mentions something about the Hero of Winds being the Hero of Time reborn. (cutscene right after Puppet Ganon was killed.)


 * I think I remember that too. I'll go find the exact words now.--Matt 00:05, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yep. He says something about a hero right before he summons Puppet Ganon. It is: "I have been waiting for you, boy. For one like you... Yes... For the hero." After beating Puppet Ganon he says: "Yes, surely you are the Hero of Time, reborn...". He could just mean that he is a lot like the Hero of Time and not actual the Hero of Time reborn.--Matt 00:16, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Reply to previous comment
But in the game & the book if you flick through and look around AND on the internet or on any trusted zelda info source, It CLEARLY states that The hero of winds isn't a descendant of Link from OoT!!!

aaaand if you play the game I beleive he is the main character...his name is link...he uses the master sword and has the triforce of courage.....he is link..no arguments besides later didnt king hyrule say he has the bloodline of link since he got the triforce on his hand or something

Link is mute?
Who went through the article and change it by putting Link is mute? That semmed wuite pointless to me.

Not to mention the fact that Link isn't mute. He has a large number of things that he says, from "Hyah!" to "Huh!" And everything in between

and in the TV series he is always saying excuse me princess.

Maybe the word they're searching for is...something like unsocial or shy or something. I think they mean that he just can't speak english...or whatever language the world speaks.

Reply: I don't think Link is mute-in some games it is clear he is replying-you just can't HEAR it. He makes sounds in Oot and TP. I think they don't allow him to speak because the player can feel "closer" to Link-ever argue with something a person says on a game? I think that's why. ZeldaGirl96 22:06, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

actually in WW link says: come here. in OoT Link says: Link. in PH link says: hey over there. in TP: link tells the story to Bo even though the speech is skipped and just before Ilia takes links horse the second time, ilia runs up and talks to link and link talks back even though you can't hear the words you see both there mouths move. Calibure 17:59, 20 December 2008 (UTC)Calibure

What the...
May I ask why the Link article is under User:Dachi? Dinosaur bob 08:13, 4 October 2007 (EDT)

Another error about hammerspace.
I doubt any of you have seen the old Legend of Zelda cartoons, but if you have, you would see in the first episode that Link has a pouch in his utility belt that he can put things in. A LOT of things. A bottomless magic pouch, basically. So the comment about the hammerspace should be removed.
 * Ah, but the old cartoons are not canon to the games. ;) Dinosaur bob 19:43, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
 * I've watched most of The Legend of Zelda (TV Series), and it was me who added the hammerspace info. And as Dinobob says, it can be said with a great degree of certainty that the cartoons are not canon; I mean come on, the TRIforce only had two pieces!! Bonus points go to anyone who can point out Link's "bottomless magic pouch" in either of these images... --Adam 02:37, 6 October 2007 (EDT)



I'm not sure...maybe his tunic? Just kidding. (-:

Smash Bros. Info
Does anyone think they can get info up on Link's (both Link and Young Link) moves from the Smash Bros. series like in the Zelda article? Or perhaps get the info into the Adult Link and young Link articles? I thought that was a nice touch for Princess Zelda's article. Dinosaur bob 20:01, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
 * Erm, just noticed this stuff was in the Young Link article, but we could still get the stuff for the Adult Link or just plain Link articles.Dinosaur bob 20:48, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

vandalism
someone messed the page up it should be fixed by a more expirienced memberGanon228 14:17, 26 October 2007 (EDT) I corrected it mostly. -paron dante

Hero Of etc.
May I ask why, if the Hero of Time, Hero of Winds, and Hero of Light articles redirect right back here, why they are in this article's See Also section? Dinosaur bob 22:12, 30 October 2007 (EDT)


 * They used to all be individual articles, which have since been merged into Link. I've removed them from the See Also. --Adam 15:57, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

From my time studying the unique storylines of Zelda and constantly referring to this wiki, it has come to my attention that one listing in the title section for Link reads Hero of Light. It goes even further to explain in the article that he isn't formerly called this in the game and to say that Link used the power of light to defeat the evil in the world although he uses the power of twilight even more so. I believe the proper title used for the hero in Twilight Princess would be Hero of Twilight.

Also, the hero from BS The Legend of Zelda: The Ancient Stone Tablets was named Hero of Light since he/she appeared and departed in a column of light. --Crow

I disagree that "Hero chosen by the Gods" is a title- to me, especially in-game, it sounds more like an explanation of his role in life. As in, he is told that he is the Hero, which is elaborated upon by explaining that he is "chosen by the Gods" to act as such. Dinosaur bob 12:29, 15 November 2007 (EST)

link, link and link
It seems that it is a lot of talking about link "hero of time", link " hero of winds" and link "hero of light". Some want to have separate pages for these characters and others like it as it is. Can't we have it as it is, the link page stays as it is, but we can still have separate pages for the three main links. That is how I would like it. Anybody agree with me?

What does three "main" Links mean? How are the other Links inferior those three? Oh yeah, because they didn't appear in 3D games. I'm not fond of 3D fanboyism, so I have to disagree. Link is Link, no matter what incarnation. It doesn't make sense to make specific articles for a few of his incarnations, but keep the rest in one article. And it makes no sense either to give each Link his own page, because that would then also be required for all other multiple-appearance characters (to keep unity in zeldawiki). IfIHaveTo 03:55, 9 December 2007 (EST)

I think having a single main Link article is the best idea, but i also think and article for young link and toon link is a good idea because of their roles in Smash bros.


 * Surely much of this comes down to a discussion about the contents of Category:Link? Personally I think that "Toon Link" should be a section within Link, not it's own article. This form of Link has no notable differences from previous incarnations other than cosmetic changes, and as such can't be given the same level of focus as other individuals such as Young Link/Adult Link, or the four Links. —Adam (talk) 05:13, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

true--Zanramon :) 10:28, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

I think when someone says three main links its because its the main three to base most timelines off of...because miyamoto stated that tp and ww are parallel and both happen after ocarina...also because the are the only three with a human form of ganon...they just seem needed for the rest of the links to fit together at least easier

Twilight Princess Information
Why did you delete all that information about Link in twilight princess? What was the matter with it? --Link hero of light 19:55, 16 December 2007 (EST)


 * Ok, well the first paragraph had very little relevance to the character of Link. It was just a summary of the storyline, and as such I don't think it belongs in Link's article. It's already written (more eloquently I'm afraid) the Story section of the page. The second paragraph is just a cut-and-paste from the Midna article, and I don't particularly like it there either. It needs to be written in a more neutral manner, and shortened, since it is just speculation. I know that there are a number of hints, but they're just that. Also, without trying to be critical, it was a bit "all over the place" with regards to spelling and grammar (not something we want to see in the current Featured Article). If you'd like to rework the Midna-Link bit in Midna's article a bit, maybe that could be incorporated here too. Also, if anyone else thinks i'm out of line, please say so :) --Adam 20:26, 16 December 2007 (EST)

Okay, I understand. --Link hero of light 20:45, 16 December 2007 (EST)

Sections Merged
I took it upon myself to merge the sections.

Its at the very bottom of Link. Check and see for yourself

--Vaati Evil 19:10, 20 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Than isn't it more appropriate to put take off the suggestion at the top? Saibh 14:15, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

Relationships
I was wondering how that should be done. A character like Link has changes in his relationships with each character. Saria, who is likely his best friend in OoT, plays no important role in any of the other twelve games. Zelda is always important to Link--there's never been a Link without a Zelda, but they're almost always different Zeldas. Perhaps Ganondorf is the only character whose relationship does not change with Link. S

So I was wondering if relationships should be in their own section, or should be subdivided under each game section. If so, is that just for major characters in particular games, leaving characters like Zelda, Impa, Ganondorf in a bigger, more expansive Relationships section?

Hmm...I'm thinking it's wiser to have characters who transcend individual games have their own spot in each game section. Either that or, only the major characters like Midna, Navi, Marin, etc. are under the games, and the multiple characters among their own. Maybe it should be like this:

==(Game)== ====Relationships==== Character: ...  Character: ...

And so on...

If you chose to only compile major relationships in one section, it may look like this (using Zelda as an example):

==Relationships== ===Zelda=== (I'm not sure if there should be further sections here for games, or just bullets.) ====(game)==== OR * (game):

In the Sandbox I have those two versions.

I think any list of characters should be divided alphabetically, so no one gets silly about who goes first. Saibh 15:09, 21 March 2008 (EDT)


 * Relationships should be described all together in their own, self-contained section. Any other solution would be too chaotic and fragmentary. Alphabetical order would be a good idea. —Adam (talk) 18:13, 24 March 2008 (EDT)


 * Other ganondorfs? It had always been my experience that there was just one... Is this just a typo or is this assumption being thrown out the window for the wiki?--Magnus orion 21:50, 27 March 2008 (EDT)


 * Sorry, I don't get your meaning? —Adam (talk) 14:24, 28 March 2008 (EDT)


 * Somewhere in the article it's stated that there's more than one Ganondorf, despite the fact that (if I've noticed correctly) the general consensus is that there's one constant Ganondorf. --Ando (T : C) 14:46, 28 March 2008 (EDT)


 * Ok, I hadn't noticed that but if it's there it does need to be removed/rewritten. While both Link and Zelda can be argued to have had multiple separate incarnations, Ganon(dorf) is a single individual. —Adam (talk) 16:13, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

WW age
I was just wondering if we should put WW Link's approximate age in the article, like it was done with TP Link, because he does seem to be a lot younger in that game. What do you think he looks like? 12ish? Unbalanced 23:47, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree. I remember reading a while back during the early times of release that he was, in fact, 12. Whether this was official stuff or just someone on a message board I don't remember, but that's what I've always thought. --Ando 00:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Page 23 in the Official Guide from Nintendo Power specifically states that Link is twelve years old in The Wind Waker.--Matt 00:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

TP Age
In Twilight Princess, Link is sixteen, not seventeen. I'm not making it up. Our old buddy Eiji Aonuma said it here. Using that translation add-on I have, I can tell than he says that Link is sixteen. Here is the translated text:

when I opened a treasure chest, or the change in the face of it (laughs). By the way, this link is a set of 16-year-old too. 16-year-old adult, I have a feeling it a little short of that. Also, the disk system's links adventure, CM, "KI and 16" were told, 16 of the link and I knew I wonder KI (laughs). All (laughs) look like a kind of a 16-year-old, and the parents "do not CHAA" when you say, want to be enough to reverse it? So the link is to fight the enemy when the sword and turning them off.

What do you guys make of it? 09:12, June 23, 2008 (UTC) Huh, I need something bad. I can't remember what it is. I think it sounds like creep. Or was it keep. Seep perhaps? No, it must be leap. I've got to remember! °‿°

Soul Calibur 2
Can we really say that SC2 is non-canon? There isn't really anything to disprove it from canon (I suppose there isn't that much for it either.) While it does seem wierd, for Link to be in this world, it isn't that much differnt than his trip to Termina. It seems to me that the Soul Calibur Link is similar to Hero of Time(HoT lol!) Link, but isn't the same one. BanaBana 20:58, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

How bout Yoda and Vader in SC4....its just a fighting game they always add special characters..spawn and the guy from tekken too. Although Link had his own background story it was only so it didn't seem like he was just thrown into the world (which he was) so it makes it more believable that hes there --Remo 21:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Way too much division. Too many sections.
Is it really necessary to have all these sections with one line of information in them? I mean, like the "Pikachu" sub-section in the "Relationships" section? It makes the Table of Contents way longer than it's supposed to be. If no one minds, I'm going to try to generalize those sub-sections and reduce the number of sections. --Farewell to Gibdos 01:17, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Just make those section heading bold instead of in heading format. 01:50, October 1, 2008 (UTC)


 * Done. 02:01, October 1, 2008 (UTC)

Spoiler Tags
Another thing is, why the Spoiler Tag at the top of the page? Maybe in gameplay related sections, but at the top of the page? If the reader doesn't want to know anything about Link for fear that they will ruin their gaming experience, why would they ever visit Zelda Wiki.org?--Farewell to Gibdos 01:42, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Splitting Link
Although this would be a huge project it makes sense for each Link to have his own page and not be one page. After all, there is more that one Link and they are all seperate characters. The same goes for Princess Zelda. There would need to be a disambiguation page asking which Link you would like to read so it could look some thing like this:

Link can refer to several people:


 * Link (The Legend of Zelda, Adventure of Link)
 * Link (A Link to the Past, Link's Awakening)
 * Link (Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask)
 * Link (Oracle of Seasons, Oracle of Ages
 * Link (Four Swords)
 * Link (Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass)
 * Link (Four Swords Adventures)
 * Link (The Minish Cap)
 * Link (Twilight Princess)
 * Link (Goron)

Then let's say you click on "Link (Twilight Princess)". You could see something like this:

Link is a teenager (around 16 or 17) who has been raised as a wrangler outside of Hyrule territory in Ordon Village. His friend, Rusl, requests that Link go in his place to deliver a sword he has made for the Hyrule Royal Family. Before Link can go on this journey, his village is attacked by King Bulblin. Link is knocked unconscious and all the children are kidnapped. When Link awakens he wanders into a darkness and gets pulled into the Twilight Realm. Once in the Twilight Realm, rather than becoming a spirit like everyone else, he transforms into a wolf. He is captured until a creature of the twilight, Midna, comes to his aid. She helps him escape and get back to the light realm, Midna however is only using Link to change the Twilight Realm (her home) back to normal; she could care less what happens to Link and the light world. Link must journey to save the children of Ordon Village and eventually save the entire Land of Hyrule from the mysterious Twilight. Link searching for the children saves the guardians of light, the light spirits, and he becomes the Hero Chosen by the Goddesses. He then sets off with Midna to find the Fused Shadows and stop the main antagonist, Zant. This Link is also called by some fans the Hero of Light due to him restoring light in the game.

Biograpy
I'm not going to right in entire biograpy unless we decide to split Link.

In Link's Crossbow Training, Link travels around the land of Hyrule shooting targets, enemies and more in order to perfect his crossbow skills. The game most likely takes place at different times during. In the game, Link has very little interaction with other characters.

Super Smash Bros. Brawl
I'm not going to write this either.

Relationships
Midna When Link first met Midna, she manipulated him into helping her find the Fused Shadows. While it is is quite obvious that the two dislike each other in the beginning, their bond begins to grow into a friendship. After Zelda sacrifices herself for Midna, who did nothing but mock her, Midna has a change of heart and helps Link for the rest of the game. Throughout their adventures they develop a strong friendship. Link is sad to see Midna return home at the end of the game.

It has been speculated by fans that Midna and Link loved each other; scenes like when Link hold Midna in his arms and Midna laid her hand on Link's cheek have been given as evidence for such

Ganondorf Link first hears about Ganondorf afte destroying Stallord. However, he does not meet Ganondorf untill the end of Hyrule Castle. Ganondorf first knocks-out Midna and then posses Princess Zelda. After he is beaten in that form, he turns into Dark Beast Ganon. After Link beats Ganon, Midna attempts to destroy Ganondorf using the Fused Shadows. However Ganondorf seemingly kills her and then attacks Link while riding his horse. With Zelda's help Link beats Ganondorf once again. Ganondorf the draws his Sword and attacks Link. After a duel Link stabs Ganondorf in the heart, killing him.

Zant Zant is the one who orders the kidnapping of the children of Link's home-town. Link does not meet Zant untill he has collected all the Fused Shadows. Zant then appears and steal them but not before forcing Link into his wolf form. Link later meets Zant who attempts to kill him by reviving Stallord. Link also duels with Zant at the Palace of Twilight. Although he defeats Zant, he does not kill him, Midna is the one to do that.

Zelda Link first finds Zelda locked up in a tower on the top of Hyrule Castle. He also bring a dying Midna to her. During the final battle with Ganondorf Zelda helps Link defeat Ganondorf using her Light Arrows.

Ilia Link's childhood friend from Ordon in Twilight Princess. She berates him when he is careless with Epona, and urges him to be careful when venturing out beyond Ordon. She is kidnapped early in the game, and when Link finds her, she has lost her memory. Much of the latter half of the game is spent trying to recover Ilia's lost memories.

Some fans have interpreted a romantic bond between Link and Ilia.

Mario In Super Smash Bros. Brawl, if the the player has chosen to rescue Zelda at the beginning of The Subspace Emissary, Link and Yoshi find both Mario and Pit standing over a clone of Zelda who attacked them earlier. Zelda's body disperses and thinking she has been killed, Link attacks Mario. After Mario and Pit beat them, Link and Yoshi team up. If Peach is chosen to be saved, then it is Link and Yoshi who must first defeat a cloned Peach and then Mario and Pit. Later, Link, Mario, and Pit take on the Ancient Minister, but they fail both to kill him and to stop the detonation of the Subspace Bomb he had placed within the Desert region. Fortunately, the trio was saved from the following implosion by Yoshi and Kirby.

Yoshi After Link pulls his sword out of the Pedestal of Time, Primids drop from Battleship Halberd. Yoshi who had been enjoying a nap on a tree stump wakes up and helps Link fight off the Primids. Now friends, Link and Yoshi travel through the world until they meet Mario, Pit, and Kirby. They then join up with them.

Splitting Disscussion
So what do you think, should we split Link? Zelda would have to follow of course but we can start with Link. Neither of them could be a featured article anymore and the articles would probally be pretty small at first. However, just like all articles they would grow over time with the numerous contributions by users.--Link hero of light 01:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * One step at a time. I think that splitting it that much is going too far. It would make each one pretty pathetic and small. But we can split off the non-canon section. 01:45, November 7, 2008 (UTC)


 * If we split this like that, we'd have to split just about every single other article that has something from more than one game. Like Princess Zelda, Darknut, Fairy, Great Fairy, Heart Container, Zora, Goron, etc. It just isn't going to happen. Zeldapedia likes to split up everything into individual games. We don't. We don't want people to search all over the place for similar information when it should just be on one page. So this just isn't going to happen. 01:57, November 7, 2008 (UTC)

I already said we would have to split Zelda too. But everything else mentioned is a species or item, not individual characters--Link hero of light 02:09, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Not quite. The Great Fairies are each a unique individual. They are not generic. 02:15, November 7, 2008 (UTC)


 * As is Tingle and Postman. 02:16, November 7, 2008 (UTC)


 * And due to the timeline split, there are technically two Ganons. And the Dark Links are not all the same. 02:22, November 7, 2008 (UTC)

I'm gonna have to go ahead and say that this doesn't really sound like a good idea to me. :/ I mean, there's really a limit to how big something can get before becoming redundant, and I don't see why we'd have to destroy a perfectly good featured article and replace it with a bunch of tiny articles. If we're worried about article size, I'd say that really all we need to do is remove the "Relationships" section as I really don't see the point in that, but I'm not going to be the only one to make THAT decision. I thought about splitting off the non-canon section, too, but I'm not even sure what that would be called. >_> "Link in non-canon titles"? 06:05, 7 November 2008 (UTC)