Talk:Hero's Spirit

Wolf theory
It should be noted that the Shade appears in the form of a golden wolf. In the story, it states that Link turns into a strange beast while in the twilight realm because he has the blood of the hero. The fact that the Shade is also a "strange beast" shows that he does indeed have the hero's blood. Would this be plausible to add? --The Game Master 17:03, 29 March 2009 (UTC)--The Game Master

Non-Mirrored Images?
These images are of Wii version Twilight Princess...shouldn't we get some from the GameCube version considering that Link is not actually right-handed, but left-handed?67.160.13.15 03:01, 20 April 2007 (PDT)

I kind of have to agree with this statement. --PrincessZelda TP 20:50, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

Well, I believe it should at least be noted that the images were taken from the Wii game. --Mockingbird 21:11, 27 September 2007 (EDT)


 * I've flipped the images horizontally for the sake of accuracy :) (Except now they don't display because of the thumbnail error...) --Adam 13:43, 28 September 2007 (EDT)

Reason for undoing recent edit
So a new edit changed the phrase "some believe the Hero's Spirit to be Link from OoT" to "some believe the Hero's Spirit to be a Great Darknut". Now, I've never heard that theory, ever. But I HAVE heard of (and subscribe to) the Hero of Time theory. Maybe the phrase would be better changed to "some believe him to be the Hero of Time, or even a Great Darknut"? --Ando 02:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think that will be necessary. That "Great Darknut" thing seemed to come out of the blue from nowhere, and besides, that was the only edit on this wiki by the user who added this.  I say we ignore it. Pel&#39;marn Dakari 11:44, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Another Theory
It could also be links uncle from the The Legend of Zelda: A Link To The Past because he is the only knnown relation to link who wore armour and there for would keep in with the fact that he says "My Child" to Link although A Link To The Past possibly happened after Twighlight Princess.Garadex 19:37, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

It's kind of obvious that he was a Link. The Hero's Spirit might as well said, "I am the Link of Ocarina of Time's Spirit, quote me on this." Besides, look at him, he's wearing a tunic and white tights. :P -The Keeper of Majora's Mask

Hey WAIT!
I remember Miyamoto saying that Twilight Princess is more than anything a spiritual sequel to Ocarina ... What other way to show it then having Link in TP be so similar to OoT right.

Both of them are shown as wolves....see what I'm gettin' at here. Could that be a Spiritual connection between the two?--Remo 21:38, August 11, 2008 (UTC)


 * Are you saying that the Link in OoT is the Hero's Spirit of TP? I'd like to believe that. 21:47, August 11, 2008 (UTC)


 * I thought that it was fairly obvious, actually. Too many things say "this is the Hero of Time" or at least "this is also a Link". What makes you say nay, Matt? 21:59, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Nay? I said I do believe it. The signs are obvious. 22:04, August 11, 2008 (UTC)

Well... "I'd like to believe that" typically means "Well, that'd be nice, but it's just not possible". Hence my confusion. 22:06, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd like to believe it, but it isn't possible to prove it . 22:19, August 11, 2008 (UTC)

Hence the I "Think" ...but im just saying its widley accepted like everything else in zelda is (since almost nothin can be proved thanks to Miyamoto) so I just would like to point that fact out.....no need to get defensive on an un-winnable argument...either of u.

Anyways my main point was that it was just one of the connections.(that I see)--Remo 05:01, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Master Sword
I'm looking at the image on the page right now, and the blade guard of the Hero's Spirit's sword looks absolutely nothing like that of the Master Sword, and the Master Sword's guard is one of its most distinguishing and recognizable features. I also find it interesting that the Magical Sword article says that sword looks similar to the Hero's Spirit's, which, although it definitely isn't a perfect match (so little so that I would disagree they look like the same sword), it does seem like a better match than the Master Sword, although I really think the Hero's Spirit's sword is its own sword. Jimbo Jambo 23:18, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

look at the blade they both have the "widening slimming" type bladeMedzel 18:59, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Another theory that makes a lot of sense
A member posted this in a topic in TP and it actually makes sense. He basically says this:

''Also, about the songs. Okay, OoT/MM-Link knew all of them, or at least most of them, that much is true. But so what? Note that the Hero's shade does NOT teach Link the songs. On the contrary. Link as a wolf howls them first, and the golden wolf responds to these howles. Quite the other way around, isn't it? I look at it more like a wolf-kinda conversation. Link calls for someone to help him, and the Hero's shade responds. ''And even if the shade knew all those songs, that doesn't prove anything. Because then, there must be other people out there knowing them as well - unless you are claiming that it was the Hero's shade who ran through Hyrule and drilled holes into the gossip stones to make them play the right tunes. I don't think so.

''Another thing. The Hero's shade seems to have failed with his mission, whatever it was. The Hero of Time did not, if I reckon correctly. Didn't Link in Ocarina of Time defeat Ganon? And save Termina in Majora's Mask? I don't see how he would have failed his mission then. And I also can't imagine what must have happened to Link to change his old tunics for some heavy armory and lose an eye, after fighting Ganondorf and the moon. It must have been something even more terrible...

''The Hero's shade was the one who should have stopped Ganondorf before he was banished to the Twilight Realm. If he had succeeded and banned/killed Ganondorf or whatever, the Sages would not have had to interfere and risk the life of one of them. But for some strange reason, that Hero did not accomplish his mission - he failed and died.''

I think this makes a lot of sense, so I was thinking of adding it to the theory section, but I wanted to get you guys' input first. The Hero's Shade DOES say that he took on the role of the hero long ago. Also, the techniques that he teaches to Link were NOT known by a previous Link, which means that these techniques were "made" by another warrior. Other thoughts on this? Dany36 21:14, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * By all means add the facts out of this, They are excellent counterpoints to a common theory found on forums. If it isn't too much trouble for you, I have a format that on the Rito page that would bring clarity to the entire theory section. 03:43, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Hero of Time Shade?
Ah, somewhat perfect...I think I have an answer to the idea that it means he died/failed. Just my theory, but to me it seems to make sense as a possibility. When he said he could not convey those life lessons to those who came after he may not have meant he died before he could pass on his knowledge. If it's assumed he is the Hero of Time, Link, from Ocarina, it may refer to Zelda sending him back to his childhood. Perhaps he became aware then, or after his death, that this action created two time lines and he regrets that he was unable to teach the lessons he learned to those who have to suffer through Ganon's aftermath. They are, in that sense, on their own, as there's no Hero of Time to help them now that he was sent back to his childhood. He didn't die or fail. He did defeat Ganon. But there was precious little time, mere minutes, I'll wager, between that event, and returning to his childhood. No chance to pass on his lessons to that time line.

And another thought that came to me while working on the above is in regards to the songs played. While perhaps wolf Link howls them first and then the spirit responds, that doesn't necessarily mean that the spirit was unfamiliar with the songs. After all, if someone starts singing Twinkle Twinkle Little Star to me and I repeat it after them, it doesn't mean I don't know the song because I was second to sing it. That doesn't prove that he DOES know the songs, but that fact in and of itself is insufficient to prove ignorance in my opinion.

Also thought that perhaps in response to the fact that the shade knows moves Link in Ocarina of Time was unfamiliar with, I may have a possible solution. It might be that Link created, or learned these techniques after he returned to a child. I find it hard to believe that after going through all that turmoil, chaos, and evil and having to defeat it, that after going back and informing Zelda of what was coming, that he'd sit back and become a farmer or something the rest of his life. I'd find it hard to let go of the memories at least. I'd imagine he would, as well, and probably want to keep honing his skills as he got older, perhaps after he enjoyed the childhood he sacrificed. Perhaps. He may pass on his skills to his offspring in the child time line, but still regret his inability to pass them on to those in the 'adult time line', assuming he was at some point made aware of this fact. Which is not impossible, as it seems that post Majora's Mask, there's not much said on the Hero of Time Link and what befell him. Perhaps a Light Spirit informed him? I can't say. Just speculate. But as for the unknown moves, they could have been learned or invented in that lapse of time, or maybe even created since his death. What else does the spirit of a great warrior do with that much time on his hands, after all?

And a final note, the fact that they both have a wolf form as it seems might be a hint that they are related. As stated, the spirit uses 'my child' and 'our bloodline' (especially the later) when talking to Link, which suggests strongly a line of descent. Perhaps the form of a wolf was meant to further draw links between the two of them.

This is just my theory, of course, but I think it's worth considering. That's all. Ragnarok 03:28, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Alternative to above?
Perhaps I'm going a bit overboard here but I did have another thought about whom this individual might be, and this time it's not Link. Any of 'em. I still think my above theory is probably more likely, but one thing that bugs me is the armor, or specifically the helmet, which Link, the Hero of Time, did not wear. Then I remembered a bit of Link's history that is revealed in the game, or I know I remember hearing that Link's father was one of the Knights of Hyrule, suffice to say they would most likely wear armor similar to that, and as a Knight of Hyrule during the Hyrulean Civil War it's likely that with the unification of the kingdom, those who fought (and died) were considered heroes for their part in bringing resolution to the conflict. It makes a looser connection to the term hero than does the theory of the shade being the Hero of Time, but it's not an impossible stretch. As such, perhaps the shade is really the FATHER of the Hero of Time, who was a Knight of Hyrule and fought in the war and perhaps did heroic deeds to earn such a title or recognition. And if, further, the Link of Twilight Princess is a direct descendant of the Hero of Time, then of course he is related to the father of the Hero of Time as well. It might account for the wardrobe differences presented. Though there are likely other explanations for that as well. I believe that Link's father is stated to have died in the war, or at least it's definitely implied by the fact that the Deku Tree Sprout only mentions the mother and not the father, then it'd also clear up what was meant about not being able to pass on the lessons learned, perhaps more specifically to his son, Link, who would become the Hero of Time. Just another theory, of course, but I think it's a rather interesting one. Thanks for hearing me out...twice. Ragnarok 05:28, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Not a Stalfos/Darknut
I've noticed someone keeps putting up "resembles a cross between a Stalfos and a Darknut". The Hero's Shade looks nothing like a Darknut, and he doesn't even look like a Stalfos. Stalfos are all bone, and during Twilight Princess, have horn like protrusions. The Hero's Shade is mostly flesh and bone, except for his face, bearing resemblance closer to the soldier's spirits in Hyrule's graveyard. Unrelated, stop putting up the comparison between the Hero's Shade's sword and the Master Sword. They look nothing alike. --Death Sword 22:42, 16 August 2009 (UTC)