User talk:Emma/Archive 4

User Diamond
The changes you did...care to explain how it works? you know, like what does what?--Seablue254 20:16, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I'm not quite sure how those ones worked. But, as I'm sure you have noticed. I've found a much better way to accomplish the same thing. Here is what you type:

 

In place of object you put what you the variable that you will use. So if it is on a userbox like  , then you would put    in place of object. Don't forget the vertical line. or "pipe". In the condition you put what you want the object to equal. Here is an example of the code that would have worked for the diamond userbox. I bolded the edges for clarity.



With that code, if the field is empty it would put nothing down at all. But if there is something in the field then it would put down that sentence and whatever was in the field.

I'm putting these dividing lines in just to clarify that this is one post. Any other questions? --Mjr162006 20:42, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

What does the #ifeq do? --Seablue254 21:15, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It is the name of the function. The function is one of the parser functions from the extension we have. Putting that there tells that what followings it is a conditional statement. If you don't put that in it won't work.--Mjr162006 21:21, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I see. Also, what happens to the text; what would be its output? --Seablue254 21:30, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * That wasn't worded right I'll change it. In a template, there can be those options after the name. When you want the value of the option your just the number of it with three brackets on each side. Putting the pipe in will make sure your talking about the option and not the value. If you don't put in the pipe, it could still work, but it is better to be safe than sorry. MediaWiki says to put the pipe in. It doesn't have to be an option either. It can be one of those variable functions on the editing help page. But you don't use a pipe when you use a function. The best example of this is the Day template I made. That is what changes those pictures on my userpage everday and the quotes in the blueish userbox of mine. It is also what makes those Feature Content templates I made work. So don't mess with the day template. You can look at it though. Any more questions. If so then I might give my fingers a rest. Seriously! I think I have typed over ten-thousand characters all together here, at Deviant Art(asking the image creator something), and at Zeldapedia (discussions with the admins over there) since I woke up this morning. --Mjr162006 21:50, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * May I have an example, Mr. Matt? --Seablue254 21:52, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Sure, just give me a few minutes. I'll type a nice one up.--Mjr162006 21:59, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

OK --Seablue254 22:00, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Here's one.
 * When the current hour (UTC) is 22, like now, this will say the number of current articles. Anyother time it will day the number of current edits. So check back when the hour changes and it will change. This the most complex conditional statement I can make without nesting another statement within it.--Mjr162006 22:10, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * When the current hour (UTC) is 22, like now, this will say the number of current articles. Anyother time it will day the number of current edits. So check back when the hour changes and it will change. This the most complex conditional statement I can make without nesting another statement within it.--Mjr162006 22:10, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I see. However, whats the |22| for? --Seablue254 22:13, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

That is your condition, or what you want to equal for it to show. If isn't 22 then it will show  .--Mjr162006 22:16, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Got it. nao to stop this troll. I'm trying to get EA's attention as we speak. --Seablue254 22:17, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, it seems that out of the 3 bureaucrats i could find, non will ban him. EA and Yami are unresponsive and Scott refuses to ban him for doing it once, even with the possibilty to ban him for 3 days. --Seablue254 22:54, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Ando blocked one today for doing it once. That one wasn't nearly as bad as this one. We'll just have to wait for Ando. Don't edit this for a few minutes. It's archive time!--Mjr162006 22:57, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Blocking Time Guidelines
I was thinking of making a table for blocking users. It would show the recommended time to block a user for doing something. I expect it to be expanded or corrected by you guys. This will show the range of times. The greater the severity the longer the time.

I'm not say these should rules or anything it is just an idea I had. This way we'll have more reason to block people if they only vandalized once. I'm not sure on the block times here. It is just a guess.--Mjr162006 01:49, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

SECONDED. --Seablue254 01:54, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, I just saw this. Hm.
 * Interesting idea. My thought is, if it's obvious that their intentions are, dare I say, evil, then I infinite block. And if it turns out that they thought that they were doing good for whatever reason (remember the Ice Temple and Sand Temple incident? ...anyone?), then there's always the option on my user page to email me if they so desire. They can contest the blocking that way, and who knows, I might give them a second chance. Still, though, other offenses by established users that still need punishing (such as the past case of assumed harassment by a... former member a while back, you may not have been here for that) will get timed bans, depending on the severity. --Ando 02:51, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Anyone want to explain this Ice Temple/Sand Temple and harassment by the former member? --Seablue254 13:50, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't know. Was I here for that? Clarify either way. We love a good story.:P--Mjr162006 13:52, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Alright, children, gather 'round, and listen to the tales of, uh... stuff.
 * The temple issue was... weird. I log in one day and see about six edits to Arbiter's Grounds that had just happened. "What the heck?" I think to myself, and check these edits. Turns out someone was trying to replace various fields in the dungeon infobox with "Sand Temple" or trying to add a new field called "Theme = sand". Needless to say, this didn't really work out. The problem was, they were making edits just as quickly as I could undo them. I left them, like, three messages saying "Yo, stop, don't do this no more." "Seriously, stop, that's not going to work." "I WILL BLOCK YOU, SIR, IF YOU DON'T STOP."
 * I was hesitant to block, though, as this situation had happened before, and it took the person a good 10 or 15 minutes to notice my messages and say "oh, crap, sorry". So maybe the same thing was happening now? Wait, no time to think about it, they've moved on to Snowpeak Ruins and are trying to perform the same failed experiment, only with "Ice Temple" this time. They only tried editing City in the Sky once with "Wind Temple" before they just edited the pages with "This temple is also known as the [x] Temple." Nobody calls them that. D:
 * They eventually stopped editing (I guess the fact that I used the oh-so-MAGICAL rollback button about a million times finally hit them) and haven't come back since. :/ I think that I ended up blocking them for... something. I don't really remember.


 * Not sure if I should talk about the member harassment, as I'm not sure what he'd think about that (granted, he's not around anymore), and some might consider it gossip. I'd rather not be the dude who talks about people behind their backs. --Ando 14:13, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * @Temple themes: I see.
 * @Harassment: Who else was there that could tell the story? --Seablue254 14:16, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Adam was the one who did the actual blocking (I don't think that I was a sysop then or I might've done it myself). I never actually participated in the discussion, only watched from the sidelines. --Ando 14:18, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * So why can't you tell us? If it happened, it's not gossip, it's fact. --Seablue254 14:20, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Fine, I'll tell you. With code names. "User X" made user page with some self-derisive content on it. "User Y" posts on their talk page agreeing with the self-derisive content in an attempt to be "humorous", but it was taken as quite serious and as offensive harassment, and so User Y was blocked for three days to think about what he'd done. No one found it very amusing at all, and quite a few apologies were made. --Ando 14:25, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

May I have the first 3 letters of User X and User Y? --Seablue254 14:28, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, they're "HEC" and "KNO". --Ando 14:34, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Nao to type those in and find the users. --Seablue254 14:36, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Can;t find them. CAN I PLEASE JUST KNOW WHAT HAPPENED? CMON! --Seablue254 14:39, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I've... already said what happened. :/ I mean, that's really about it. There's not much more explanation that can be given without being redundant. --Ando 14:43, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

You can give what was on the page, like instead of "self-derisitive comment", you can tell what was actually said. --Seablue254 14:46, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Gettin' Thems Headings
Sorry, I wasn't aware that that particular heading needed fixing. :P I was just going for the spelling of Zelda Wiki. Can't be having people going around calling this place ZeldeWiki. "Zehl-deh-wee-kee". That sounds weird. XD --Ando 02:36, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I know that. It was a joke. Just like Master Yoda might say "Forget you did, that laughs I like to make."--Mjr162006 02:43, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Righto. Just... mentioning that I only edit others' user pages when it's absolutely necessary (like when someone puts their user page in the People category!). Fixing the spelling of our own Wiki seemed necessary. :P
 * Sometimes it's really hard to tell when you're joking, though, especially since sarcasm is hard to detect over the internet. That's why I like to pepper my potentially-taken-as-offensive-or-just-rude comments with something like :P or :D or ;) or even FSDGJIKL if the moment calls for it. --Ando 02:47, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It'll get old if I warn people every time. But I have to warn if I'm going to squeeze in a "grammer" otherwise people complain on the next edit. "If misspell I do, complain they will." :P--Mjr162006 02:55, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Triple-Boot
Is easy. You can do it too. however, to answer your question: 1) I am asking people to suggest 1, and 2) You dont need to have 1 seperate drive to stor seperate operating systems. Try to comprehend this, my computer believes I have 3 HD's, but I only have 1 in my compy. --Seablue254 16:19, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I know how to make multiple-boot PC too. I took a class on it. My PC has three drives on only one hard drive too. I set it up that way. One drive for general use, one for backup files, and another for misc storage (which is currently empty). I'd still say XP would be good choice.


 * Hooray, partitions.
 * Also, there's a whole class on multi-booting? Seriously? :O --Ando 17:05, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Excuse me, I ment 4. 1 for Vista, 1 for Recovery, 1 for Ubuntu, and 1 for Linux Swap. Anyways, it would be nice to go to a class learning about Vista.... --Seablue254 17:23, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I was lucky. The class was called IT Computers. I our IT guy taught the class. But because we started having all High School student get Tablet PCs last school year, it is no longer offered. We learned about the hardware, software, OS, stuff like that. I put this PC together from other ones because of that class. Fresh hard drive. 120 GB. Pretty good for a 2005 hard drive. Most new PCs I see in the stores are still coming with the 40 GB or 60 GB drives. It took the class in the second semester of the 2005-2006 school year. I'm talking too much. I bought the hard drive in spring of 2005. My PC has a ZIP drive. That's because the tower used to be my dad's school PC and he used it there. But my Dad signed a grant to buy thirty laptops for his classroom in the summer of 2006. He had a computer lab just for his classroom, yes that is very rare for a small town school it there it was. The computers were sold off and my dad made sure I got the best one. After we switched to the Tablets the laptops went down to the Middle school. The last semester of the 2007-2008 school year I was one of the technical assistant. I worked at help desk one period a day. If people had a problem with their tablet they came to me. I'm talking too much. Problems I fixed were, tightening screens, fixing the active desktop thing, replacing screens, replacing keyboards, re-imaging the hard drives, replacing the hard drives, repairing/replacing a stylus, fixing misc errors that they had, and similar things. I started typing this at 12:42PM central time (1:42PM eastern). I was looking for add-ons when I checked here. I'm still looking. I've found some good ones.--Mjr162006 18:05, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I see. Right now im helping people at The Vista Forums as i watch 4 tabs. --Seablue254 18:11, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Guys, go get the Toolbar Buttons add-on now!!! It is awesome!!!!!. It has a button for about:config, undo closed tab, open add-on manager, toolbar change, link to Firefox extension site, all of the major email buttons, show/hide status bar, Wikipedia link, install add-on from file, restart Firefox, view source, customize toolbar, close tab, go to top and bottom, and more. It's great! Well worth removing the integrated search box!--Mjr162006 20:47, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

--Seablue254 20:52, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Userbox Help
Is there a way to change a picture for different values? --Seablue254 23:06, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * What exactly are you trying to do?--Mjr162006 23:10, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I want to know if it's possible to make a certain picture come up for a certain value. For example, i want my Linux userbox to change to an Ubuntu icon if they put in Ubuntu, and if there's one that i don't know of, for example, they write Red-Hat Linux, it'll just come up with the default Tux Penguin. --Seablue254 23:12, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that can be done. Since it is more than one thing you use switch.


 *  

You can add as many values as you want. Just put the image link in the result spots.--Mjr162006 23:28, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * dude, you so need to write down a ton of tricks like this and e-mail them to me. --Seablue254 23:34, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * That's about it for the major tricks I know. But these two conditional statement functions can do a ton of stuff, don't ask what I just know that it could. So they'll do. It's better here because other members can benefit from it.--Mjr162006 23:40, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * There is a chance I'll put a lot of these "tricks" in our improved help articles. We just have to wait for Ando to finish with his part then we can see what else needs to be put up.--Mjr162006 23:42, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Matt, could you make the modifications to the Template:User Linux right now? I can't seem to get it. After you do it, i'll fix up my Windows and Mac templates based on what you did. Anyways, just use the 4 images i uploaded. Their names are pretty self explanatory, but dont misspell Mandriva like i did, it's logo image was named Mandrica. Anyway, make all the sizes of the images 45 px, also. Thanks!! P.S. Don't worry about the other templates, i would like to do them. --Seablue254 23:59, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, It could take a few minutes.--Mjr162006 00:03, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * np --Seablue254 00:05, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Just a minute. I've got to go somewhere. I'll be back in ten minutes to work on it at the latest.--Mjr162006 00:12, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay I'm back. Almost done.--Mjr162006 00:20, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * "I'm about to save it. All of them look good except the Fedora image. It'll look better transparent.--Mjr162006 00:26, 22 June 2008 (UTC) PS: I hope you agree with me that the png format is about a billion times better than the jpg format.


 * Okies very good. Now, i really don't know about the difference between .gif, .jpg/.jprg, and .png. Care to fill me in? --Seablue254 00:38, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Here goes. The format .jprg closely related to .jpg but is never used. The formats .jpg and .png are compressed formats. With jpg the image quality intentionally made poor in order to make it smaller and repeated data is stored only once. The format .png does the same as .jpg only it does not effect the image quality. .png also supports transparency, but .jpg doesn't. The .gif format is like as evil version of the .jpg, it does the same only to reduce the quality it limits the amount of colors to a very low amount. The only plus with .gif is it supports transparency and animation. Also there is the format .bmp. It store its information as raw data. So it does not compress and the quality is maxed. It can't have transparency. Each format would make an image of a different size so here they are, smallest to biggest:
 * gif → jpg → png → bmp


 * Image quality worst to best:


 * gif → jpg → bmp → png


 * There you are.--Mjr162006 00:53, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The image quality of bmp and png is the same except png can have transparency. That's why transparency. So now you see, png rocks!:)--Mjr162006 01:00, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Can you tell me what i did wrong here? --Seablue254 01:01, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Nothing. It is a conflict. Something got canceled out. Delete the line that says this:


 *  | style="width: 45px; height: 45px; background: #008000; text-align: center;" 


 * It is the third one down. I've had the same problem. Removing the line fixes it.--Mjr162006 01:15, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * After the word Windows, put this instead:




 * Just copy it with out going to edit on this talk page.--Mjr162006 01:18, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Void is that blank template with nothing in it. So it means the same as empty but is easier to visualize.--Mjr162006 01:20, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * That does it. PLEASE just get a good email ready and sent it! I WANTS TO KNOW THIS STUFF NAO!!! --Seablue254 01:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * But not even I know what I know...... I'm serious!:P No really I am. If some comes up I'll remember it. But otherwise there is too much information "in the attic" to sort through.--Mjr162006 01:37, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Dang. Okay, i have an idea. Write down the #ifeq and other thing in an email. Save the email. Then, next time you think of something, anything, matt, just write it in the email. When the email is 6-7 things big, send it to me. Just email it with the ZW.org email function. Then, when you think of more stuff, just do that again. It doesn't have to be now, it can be later. Just help me here. I'm talking too much, as you would say. My 13 year old honor student brain is trying to comprehend this stuff and get better so it is as good as your 20(?) year old brain. Thanks. --Seablue254 01:42, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay. It's 19 on the 16th of July. Just 24 days! Yea!--Mjr162006 01:46, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Dang i was off by 2 years. However, you agree? --Seablue254 01:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure. The overestimate is taken as a compliment. :D--Mjr162006 01:53, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * That was a yes to agree.--Mjr162006 01:54, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * D Thanks alot!! --Seablue254 01:55, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Template Redirect
Did you know that if you type the code for a template that was moved, so it is a redirect, it will display the template that the redirect points to?

A case in point is this:

This is the original template: Template:Molgera bossfav It was moved to: Template:User Molgera bossfav

Pretty cool, huh?--Mjr162006 01:15, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Wow --Seablue254 01:31, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I found it out when I was trying things in the sandbox earlier today.--Mjr162006 01:47, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Firefox
Is version 3 out yet or are we still on 2.0.0.14? --Seablue254 14:51, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Matt. Firefox. 3. Is. Out. GET. IT. RIGHT. NAO. --Seablue254 17:30, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * OMG. This is so awesome. MATT, GET YER BUTT OVER THERE RIGHT NAO. --Seablue254 17:37, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * First of all, use OMC. OMG is too, well girly. Second of all, many add-ons I have won't work in 3. I've heard of the some of the new things in 3. It is too early to download it. Wait for them to work out more bugs and to upgrade the add-ons first. I've seen this kind of sig before. Is it better?—Matt(T C) 17:43, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No, no, no. This one!—Matt(T C H) 17:49, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

1) what the hell is OMC?

2)For some reason, your T isn't making a link in my Firefox 3. --Seablue254 17:54, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, Let me clear up some firefox stuff. 1. It came out on Wed., so just give the addon developers a little time :). Also, the new firefox is awesome enough to give the addresses to images on you're screen. Don't believe me? Click on this and look at your address bar. --Seablue254 17:59, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

For OMC, go to edit mode and look by it. This is my talk page, so it would link to the tape it is on now would it. Giving the add-on makers time is exactly what I said to do.—Matt(T C H) 18:06, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I have more complaints than praises for Firefox 3 right now. Which is to say, I have no praises, and one complaint: THE STUPID NAVIGATION DROP-DOWN MENU. It only holds 12 addresses! WHAT IF I WANT FIREFOX 2'S MENU? It's enough to get me to downgrade, which I think I shall do right after patrolling these edits. --Ando 18:12, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sea, regarding the image url in the address bar... have you never looked at an image with any web browser ever? They've always done that.


 * I've heard about the menu thing for a while now. It was in the beta versions too. Like I said, let's not be too quick to jump into it.—Matt(T C H) 18:15, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Take it easy, Ando. If you're talking about the address menu, it hold the 12 latest bookmarks you have. Just modify your bookmarks accordingly. --Seablue254 18:18, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I you still don't like it there exists add-ons that make like in Firefox 2. There is eve n a Firefox 2 theme.—Matt(T C H) 18:22, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

WherewherewherewhereI NEED IT. I absolutely hate only having twelve addresses in here. :( --Ando 18:23, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Just go to the add-on site. Search for "Firefox 2 address bar" or something it should get you it.—Matt(T C H) 18:25, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I checked all over and all they had were extensions that made Firefox 3 look like Firefox 2 (even an extension that made just the navigation drop-down menu look like Firefox 2's menu). I want Firefox 2's function as well. So I have officially downgraded and it is sweet. --Ando 18:36, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Sometimes the classics are just better.—Matt(T C H) 18:38, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Macros
How does I make them? --Seablue254 14:51, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

...how? --Seablue254 17:55, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

You need that add-on from my hints page. abcTajpu (x). Then install it. Go to tools, abcTajpu (x), then options. Remove all the junk in the text box. Then type "p=" in it, no quotation marks. Then type your sig with wiki code. Remember put instead of a |. THis is mine:


 *  —User:Mjr162006Matt(User talk:Mjr162006T Special:Contributions/Mjr162006C User:Mjr162006/Firefox HintsH) 

Use it to make yours. Make sure to select the insert button as the key. Then save it. THen just go to any text bos and type p then Insert, and there you go.—Matt(T C H) 18:06, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Man you are good! --Seablue254 18:16, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Text box=done. Now what do i do? --Seablue254 18:29, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

If you've got everything typed in that should be it. Just make sure that the Insert key is selected and save it. then type the key for your sig and then Insert.—Matt(T C H) 18:31, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

p --Seablue254 18:33, 22 June 2008 (UTC)did it work

insert key? What? --Seablue254 18:54, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Does it say p= and then your sig? Is that what you put in? You only need one p.—Matt(T C H) 18:38, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I have: p=--User:Seablue254SeaUser talk:Seablue254blueSpecial:Contributions/Seablue254254 ~ After i put that in, i typed p, pressed the sig button above the Wiki text box and hit save page. --Seablue254 18:50, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

The sig button won't do it. In the add-on's options make sure that the insert button is selected. Then type p, then the press the insert key on your keyboard.—Matt(T C H) 18:53, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

--Seablue254

How do i get the time? --Seablue254 Seablue254 18:56, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You need one more ~ in it so it doesn't repeat your username.—Matt(T C H) 18:57, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

--Seablue254 18:59, 22 June 2008 (UTC) Nice.

That's it. Also, you can replace the dashes with a long one. In edit mode it does look much longer but when you save it is. You can copy and paste the longer line from my sig.—Matt(T C H) 19:02, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I see. Seablue254 19:03, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Now you just have to remember to do it this way. Maybe this will catch on.—Matt(T C H) 19:05, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

It just might Seablue254 19:07, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * This has been driving my nuts since I joined. The date and time format on the preferences screen doesn't work. I'm doing it myself. Replace the with one of these:


 * For UTC time
 * ,,  (UTC)
 * 19:42, June 22, 2008 (UTC)
 * For your time
 * ,,  (CDT)
 * 15:42, June 22, 2008 (CDT)

Adding subst: makes sure that it just saves the result and that the time won't change next time someone saves the page. Sea, I'll be right for your time, just change the CDT to EDT. But I suggest keeping with UTC, it'll make it easy to tell when the posts are. That will do it. Sorry Adam, but quite frankly putting the day of the month before the month is just wrong. It should only be done if the day has a "st", "nd" ,"rd", or "th" (I forgot what those are called) and the word "of" is placed before the month (i.e. 22nd of June). That is what I think. We can also add the day of the week. It is for local time and  for local time for UTC time.—Matt(T C H) 19:42, Sunday June 22, 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay so the day of the week makes it too long. Dang, I've got to archive this page already? I'll do it later today.—Matt(T C H) 19:49, June 22, 2008 (UTC)