Zelda Wiki:Milk Bar

Merging pages
First of all, this is a really great idea. I've been in this community barely a month and I already felt there was a need for a talk page about problems of the whole wiki.

Ok, so now, the problem: there are many different pages that should be really the same page. I'm in the process of merging them (Bombs so far, and halfway through Potions), but I haven't had much time since I came back to school, and plus, my keyboard doesn't always cooperate, making it a lot more difficult. So while I probably will end up doing some of those, I put them here so people an find out and fix them too, since problems like these are hard to find (I've found most through moments of boredom, while I click on 'Random Page' endlessly, lol.)

So, here are some of the multiple pages to be merged I've found:
 * Picto Box - Pictograph box, Pictobox, Deluxe Picto Box, and Pictograph.
 * Outset Island - Aryll's Lookout and arguably Fairy Forest (there's not much to talk about it on its own, although it technically is a separate area in the game).
 * Dragon Roost Island - Dragon Roost Pond, and arguably the Wind Shrine (not much to talk about either).
 * Triangle Isles - Technically different places, but similar in function, and they all have almost nothing to talk about: Eastern Triangle Island, Southern Triangle Island, and Northern Triangle Island.
 * Ordon Village and Ordon Ranch
 * Korok, Korok Ceremony and all other non-important Koroks (everyone but Makar and arguably Hollo): Irch, Olivio, Oakin, etc.

Phew, that was a lot, though there are probably more. Anyway, IMO you can't make a good page without much to talk about, so merging these multiple empty pages will end up in fewer good pages. Quality vs. quantity, basically. -Memo326 20:30, 20 January 2008 (EST)
 * I don't know if Ordon Village and Ordon Ranch should be merged. From what I can remember, the Ranch is never actually said to actually be a part of Ordon Village. --Hisak 22:24, 20 January 2008 (EST)


 * I think for the islands, like Outset and Dragon Roost, there should be a section for landmarks. And then they should just simply state them.  The Triangle Isles should be merged into one page as well.--Green 12:34, 21 January 2008 (EST)


 * I don't think the Triangle Isles should be merged due to the fact that they are three seperate islandsand aren't even anywher close to each other. They all take different pearls, and I believe there's a Korok and a wilted Deku Sprout on one of them. I don't think Fairy Forest or Aryll's Lookout should be merged because they're different places that actually have a purpose in the game and are part of the storyline. Green's idea is pretty good though. Ordon Ranch and Ordon Village definitely should not merged. I think Pictobox and Pictograph box should should be merged.--Icytriforc 21:03, 22 January 2008 (EST)


 * I agree, Green's suggestion is a good one. With that in mind, I'd agree with the Outset and Dragon Roost merges. Also definitely yes to Picto___ (I was gonna do that myself, but not sure under what title?) Less sure about the rest, but if done properly it could work. Maybe a discussion is needed at Talk:Picto Box about format/structure? --Adam (talk) 15:56, 23 January 2008 (EST)

Huge Galleries
Articles such as Midna have giant galleries. I'm always wary of these types of things getting big because there are (although not many) users who still have slower connections, plus the galleries take up a lot of space. I think something for pages with galleries like these should be given the treatment that Link got, and have their galleries moved to a separate page. --Jase 21:35, 23 January 2008 (EST)

I did it for Midna.--Link hero of light 23:46, 23 January 2008 (EST)

Reference Desk
We have Hyrule Castle for wiki-related questions, can a place for zelda related questions be created? The two biggest wikis, Wikipedia and Wikitionary both have one. It would be neat if it could be called: Zora's Domain.--Link hero of light 20:15, 29 January 2008 (EST)


 * Wouldn't questions of that nature just go in their respective talk pages? --Ando 20:41, 29 January 2008 (EST)


 * It's a nice idea, and I can see why the Reference Desk would be useful at wikipedia, with the sheer amount of content. However, we're a small wiki and it's quite easy to find whatever content you may be looking for (and if it's not, then that should be identified and worked on). As such, I think Ando is right; any zelda-related questions should be dealt with via article/user talk pages. --Adam (talk) 07:39, 30 January 2008 (EST)

Well I was thinking more like "how do I get into the sacred grove" questions. Would a question like that belong on a talk page?--Link hero of light 20:40, 30 January 2008 (EST)


 * No, it would belong on a messageboard at Gamefaqs! Just kidding (sort of) - first and foremost, this is and will always be an encyclopedia, not a walkthrough or a forum. For example, if I wanted a list of the location and method for obtaining every piece of heart in Majora's Mask, for example, I'd go here. I wouldn't ask that question on a talk page here; it's a class of information which (as I see it) doesn't belong here. Nor would I expect it to be the kind of information found at Wikipedia's Reference Desk (one specific statement stands out to me: "The reference desk will not give you answers for your homework, although we will try to help you out if there is a specific part of your homework you do not understand.") The distinction between help and information, although slight, is important. If anyone else disagrees with me, please do say so, as I'm under no illusions that my opinion is the only correct one! But for me, adding something of this nature would dilute the true purpose of the wiki, and give a false impression of what we are trying to achieve. --Adam (talk) 13:45, 31 January 2008 (EST)


 * I agree with Adam here to an extent. While I think that a certain amount of "game help" on a page isn't out of the question, it shouldn't go too overboard with it. I think that stuff such as a listing of Pieces of Heart in an area's page (such as North Clock Town, an article to which I'm not biased towards at all) is totally fine, because that information is short, sweet, and within the realm of info of the wiki; but to me the information on the Piece of Heart page itself (in which there's a whole listing of the locations for Pieces of Heart in Twilight Princess) is a little overboard. --Ando 14:15, 31 January 2008 (EST)


 * Slightly off-topic, but I've added some links to content at StrategyWiki (I forget where exactly, but basically anywhere you see this icon, other than game pages, which include it by default). In short, I think we can all agree that any extensive/comprehensive walkthrough-style lists don't really belong here, and this way our articles are more in keeping with the style of the wiki, while all the info is just a click away and still in wiki format. Neat, huh? --Adam (talk) 02:59, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Oracle of Ages/Seasons
Something I've been thinking about for a while. If someone clicks on Oracle of Ages or Oracle of Seasons, they're taken to that game's page. I was thinking that maybe the two pages should be a disambiguation page linking to the game and game's respective Oracle. That way, anyone looking for the oracle as opposed to the game could find her. I would have just done it, but this would require any link to "Oracle of Ages/Seasons" to be rewritten to the full "The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of X", so I figure it's too big a decision to just do it. Thoughts? --Ando 16:42, 8 February 2008 (EST)


 * You mean it doesn't already do that? I was already "correcting" that in all the Oracle pages I've edited because I assumed it was a disamb page already...  So of course, I agree. --Douken 16:56, 8 February 2008 (EST)


 * Absolutely. The two lists of articles to target when rewriting links are here:
 * Special:Whatlinkshere/Oracle of Seasons
 * Special:Whatlinkshere/Oracle of Ages
 * Once the number of pages that link to these has been reduced somewhat, the disambiguation pages can be put in place. --Adam (talk) 01:45, 9 February 2008 (EST)


 * A large part of the list is composed of Magic Rings, so I'll continue work on those. --Douken 08:06, 9 February 2008 (EST)

Awesome. I've started work on that, as anyone who's looked at the Recent Changes page knows. :P Just remember: anyone doing this, mark the edits as minor so that anyone who doesn't want to see three pages full of link fixes can "Hide minor edits". --Ando 17:54, 10 February 2008 (EST)

While we're editing a bunch of OoA/OoS articles anyway, add the "Placed in The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons (or Ages)" category to any uncategorized locations. --Douken 18:14, 10 February 2008 (EST)

Hey, yeah. And I guess any other categories necessary ("characters in oox", "enemies in oox", etc.). --Ando 18:35, 10 February 2008 (EST)


 * Nice job guys! I guess at some point something similar will need to be done for the other games (i.e. creating properly formatted piped links). But for now, I'd say that you deserve a rest! --Adam (talk) 02:59, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Soul Calibur II and the CD-i games
I know that they aren't "technically" Zelda games, but I think that we should be giving Soul Calibur II and the CD-i games the same amount attention we've (I've) been giving the Smash Bros. games. If there's anyone with extensive knowledge of any of these games, could you create/improve pages for the characters and locations of these games? --Hisak 00:23, 10 February 2008 (EST)


 * I agree. I don't really focus on the non-canon Zelda info myself, plus I highly doubt anyone here actually has any of the CD-i games... The main reason I don't mess with the non-Zelda pages is because I don't necessarily agree with the Wiki's policies on non-Zelda content (full pages on Mario, Lucario, etc.? seriously?), so I probably wouldn't be good for that. Anyone else could, though. :P --Ando 16:56, 10 February 2008 (EST)


 * Did you know that, other than a site in french, were one of the only sources of information on the internet for the CD-i games (outside of wikipedia)? Yes, they're horrendously badly made, and the information in them isn't canon, and they're not part of the series... but surely denying their existence is censorship? A lot of the stuff we have didn't even exist a year ago, but I did some research (during which I laughed a lot. And died inside a little...) and created some basic info. Others have added information on the key characters, but it certainly needs to be improved. I may create a small template to link all the pages. (P.S. I know zero about Soul Calibur, so I can't comment). --Adam (talk) 02:59, 11 February 2008 (EST)


 * Maybe I should re-phrase my statement. I really only don't focus on non-canon content because I don't own any of the games. If I owned the games I'd be editing up a storm, believe me, but those things are expensive and I just don't have the funds.


 * May... maybe if anyone is willing to donate to the "Ando Wants the CD-i Games" fund? :D I'd buy 'em in a heartbeat. I've been wanting to play them anyway. :P--Ando 12:49, 11 February 2008 (EST)


 * Understood. Word of warning though; heed the advice of the french guy I mentioned, given here in the conclusion. The games and consoles are horrendously expensive, and looking at the videos on youtube I don't think anyone could honestly enjoy playing these games? --Adam (talk) 14:00, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Reference Standardizing
I think we need to standardize the format in which references appear. Some of them appear as such:
 * "My name is Ando. For reals." -Andoman (Zelda Wiki)

Others like this:
 * No, seriously, you guys. Ando. S'true. -Andoman (The Legend of Zelda: Zelda Wiki)

Amongst many other variations with varying amounts of italics and piped links and quotation marks. My personal favorite method of doing it is
 * "IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME I WILL PUNCH YOU." - Andoman (Zelda Wiki)

But we need a standardized method of doing this so that the wiki doesn't actually look like 100 different people wrote it. Ideas? --Ando 17:08, 11 February 2008 (EST)


 * Yeah, you have a point... Personally, I think it should be:
 * "Hadouken." -Ryu (Zelda Wiki)
 * That seems to be the format most official sources I've read use, and it provides more of a barrier between the quote itself and whoever said it. --Douken 17:25, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Hm... I approve of that particular format. Well then, I suppose that as we come across quotes from now on we should modify them to fit this format? --Ando 21:00, 11 February 2008 (EST)