Talk:Poe Collector

Soldier
I found it interesting that this article said this guy didn't appear in both times, but further down the page it does mention the soldier in the house. However, the article says it isn't sure whether or not they're the same person, but I have no doubts whatsoever. The guard says he's interested in ghosts, and also complains about how boring the peaceful state of the world is, which goes along with how the salesman in the future says how much he enjoys the current state of the world. As for the kid in the graveyard: come on. That kid's got to be younger than Link, and suddenly in just seven years he's a rickety old man? Not likely. He was probably eaten by a Poe or something. Jimbo Jambo 22:48, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Both of those theories are popular and have their pros and cons, so I think both should be left on the page. The Poe salesman isn't really tall, he could be a young teen, just mutalated. 22:53, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Exactly what are these pros and cons you speak of? The only evidence I can think of to suggest that the kid of the Poe guy is the fact that he's absent from the future, and I honestly can't think of any reasons why the soldier couldn't be him.


 * Oh, also, you think this should maybe be moved to "Poe Collector" or something? I don't believe he ever actually offered to sell a Poe to Link. Jimbo Jambo 23:00, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah. I like Poe Collector a lot better. 23:15, January 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * The argument of kid/ guard is here. Seen as he isn't referred to as anything in game, I would agree that collector or trader would make more sense... 23:21, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I just read that entire thread, and by the end, most of the people who could speak in full sentences agreed that evidence pointed to the guard. Look, I realize every fan theory deserves a fair chance here on a wiki which must be unbiased, but if someone claimed that Zelda was Ganondorf's daughter, and had a small group of followers who supported the idea, I know it would not be added to the wiki, even under a Theory header, since the idea is ridiculous and has no backing, regardless of how many supporters it has.
 * If anybody here actually disagrees that the guard is the Poe guy, then I'd like to open up a debate, if not here on this talk page then on the wiki's community forum. I have no desire to go around crushing ever idea which is in opposition to my own beliefs, but the way I see it, these two ideas are not on equal ground and should not be treated as such. The idea that the kid in the graveyard is the Poe guy has nothing but plausibilities and speculation to back it up, whereas the the idea about the guard is strongly supported by in-game quotes. Jimbo Jambo 00:54, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Regardless with what you believe, both ideas are widely supported, and because of that deserve a mention on the page. I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to create a new section on the page, something like "Who is he?", have the theory warning template and write about both ideas, showing evidence, and from that state which one has more game support. Ultimately, each theory still deserves a mention at the least. Feel free to reword the section so that the guard theory shows more evidence and is more likely over the child, but give both a mention.


 * Anyway... enough talk. Give it your best edits and we'll see what it comes out like.


 * I think you missed the point of what I just said. My belief is irrelevant, the fact is that both ideas are not equally supported. Read the thread. Points in support of the kid were things like "They both carry a stick" and "He isn't around in the future," and the rest was nothing but speculation about what could be true and what could have happened to him to turn him from an energetic young boy who doesn't want to cause trouble to a shriveled old man who gets off on death and destruction in a mere seven years. There's a word to describe that kind of conjecture, but unfortunately it's not coming to mind right now...
 * I'll revise the article, but what I really want to do is lay out the facts for the community to see and decide whether or not both ideas even deserve the chance to be represented. Like I said, all plausible ideas in the absence of evidence should get a fair chance on the article (like on the Fierce Deity article), but outrageous or far-fetched ideas which seem to fly in the face of the actual facts need not even be mentioned. To quote Ceallach, a guy from that thread: "I'm sure that if I really wanted to argue, I could come up with a plausible theory about how Malon is the Poe Salesman." Now if someone really did that, you wouldn't actually accept it, would you? Jimbo Jambo 02:44, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Done. Theories have been rewritten and cited, and as expected, with all facts laid out as fairly as I could manage, the soldier seems overwhelmingly more likely. In an unrelated note, the collector actually mentions that he runs a "Ghost Shop," and refers to what he does several times as a business. Your guess is as good as mine as to whom he sells Poes, but he says he sells them nonetheless.... Should the article stay where it is, or should we move it back? Jimbo Jambo 04:05, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow. Claps. Great job all around. Your additions to the page are very well done, and yeah, this is better at Poe Collector. I commend you for your editing skills


 * As for me, I've always believed it was the Soldier over the kid, but just wanted to make sure both get a mention, because people subscribe to both ideas. What you've done is great... 07:48, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Look, like I said, it's great for all ideas to be equally represented if they're equally likely, but that's clearly not the case here. The guard says studying ghosts is a hobby of his, and the Poe guy is older than Link. If an idea is wrong, then it's wrong, no matter how many followers it has. That being said, the idea no longer has a large group of followers anyway: it was debated on the thread you posted, and most of the people left standing at the end believed without a doubt that the guard was the Poe guy and that the creators of the game intended that, and everyone else who tried to argue had absolutely no idea what they were talking about. I simply think the idea is too outlandish to be worth a serious mention. Jimbo Jambo 17:41, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I think what you've done to the page is fine, giving both enough of a mention. 21:20, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Fine for now I suppose, although I bet it wouldn't kill everybody else to submit their own opinions to this discussion.... Jimbo Jambo 23:05, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

ghostly powers theory
one thing that i noticed in this article is that some people think that he has powers to attract the ghosts but he has link go catch them for him what the heck i like it how he pays you but how did he get the poes he got the 7 years link wasnt there and why doesnt he get them himself is he like scared of sunlight?
 * What? No. It's like asking why a butcher doesn't hunt for animals himself; he could, but he doesn't. It's not his job. Furthermore, Big poes are very elusive and bows aren't exactly common in Hyrule. Why not let a strong young man with a keen eye and a fast horse take care of business? Dekler 17:19, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Poe Collector's gender
How is the Poe Collector's gender know to be male? When he says "If I looked as good as you, I could run a different kind of business...heh he heh..." it seems to suggest that he is female.

Jmf145 19:52, 17 August 2010 (EDT)
 * Depends on how you look at it. In another direction, the quote could most definitely lean towards the male side if you know what I mean... Personally, I see the Poe Collector as an "it", as it is never truly specified in-game as to it's gender. I believe this genderless labeling is the direction the article should go as well. But alas, this needs support. 01:00, 18 August 2010 (EDT)


 * I support a genderless rewrite. I've always thought of it as a him, but having rummaged through the text dumps and coming up empty handed, we should definately keep it genderless. Factuality over popular opinion! =) 12:21, 18 August 2010 (EDT)
 * I agree, Embyr spoke my words ;) Jeangabin 12:29, 18 August 2010 (EDT)
 * Apparently, a guide refers to the Poe Collector as male. Dekler 14:25, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Relation to Wizzro
Shouldn't there be a small Trivia portion mentioning how Wizzro from Hyrule Warriors had his appearance based on the Poe Collector, with the glowing red eye and purple clothing and such?
 * There's no proof that Wizzro is based on the Poe Collector. They're similar in a few characteristics, but that's about it. 21:53, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

What was wrong with mentioning the guard?
This didn't say the Guard was the poe collector, it just mentioned the previous owner of the Poe Collector's abode, letting the reader decide for themselves. Delsait (talk) 00:56, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The article is about the Poe Collector, the soldier is irrelevant to the matter. 07:09, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * But the Poe Collector resides in the same place where the guard resided earlier, and makes similar remarks about wishing the world would get worse. I think it's clear the game hinted at a connection between them. Drillzer (talk) 00:40, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * That's just speculation, there's no solid proof that they're the same being. Besides, in the character relationships section for OoT in Encyclopedia both the guard and the Poe Colletor are shown in the market section and they don't have any connection, like, for example, the Hero's Spirit and the White Wolf in TP, which are stated to be the same being. 03:34, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Garo?
How does that random throwaway line from the Prima guide prove he's a Garo? It's known that Prima guides have plenty of mistakes and non-canon information, so they're not a reliable source. Drillzer (talk) 00:41, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Prima guides were licensed by Nintendo and were the official guides for their games from PH to TPHD. And it's not only that line, in the characters chapter of the guide, the Poe Collector is shown beside a Garo Robe in the Garo section (p. 11). 03:34, 7 March 2019 (UTC)