Talk:Young Link

Uh, about the Melee info- Young Link has the Deku Shield and the OoT-style Kokiri Sword, so I'm editing out mentions that he wields the Hylian (Hero's in Majora's Mask) Shield. Dinosaur bob 14:14, 12 November 2007 (EST)

In fact, since OoT Link and MM Link are the same person, perhaps I should edit out that whole passage arguing that it's any specific game's Link. What do the rest of you think? Dinosaur bob 14:20, 12 November 2007 (EST)

I'm not entirely sure. It would seem that SSMB's YL indeed, qua powers and looks (official artwork of OOT/MM-Link = YL in SSMB), is OOT/MM Link, but on the other hand, his trophy states that YL is (considered) "the true Link" (or something along those lines). Anyway, that would mean he is far more based on TLOZ Link. I think info on what Link he is based, is fine to stay, but the section has to be rewritten (like, The Great Bay/Lake Hylia-part; that's not an argument).IfIHaveTo 06:41, 13 November 2007 (EST)

"Young" Link
I think some clarity's needed with regard to the name. To me, Young Link describes the opposite of Adult Link, and as such only exists in OoT (and by extension MM and SSBM). The only reason for describing him as "young" is to distinguish him from the adult form. While it's true that Link in other games is also of around the same age, surely it's redundant to term these incarnations as Young Link, as he appears only at one age in these games and is, by default, young? In my view, if this article is not treated strictly in this sense, then it would need to be merged with and integrated into Link. —Adam (talk) 14:42, 27 March 2008 (EDT)
 * I think it falls under the same line as Toon Link. They are not their own character, but a notable derivation from the original. I do think it should be merged with Link. Saibh 19:04, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

I too think it should be merged with Link.--Link hero of light 19:10, 27 March 2008 (EDT)
 * I made a few (read: quite a few) changes to the article, and would like to know if my edits cleared any of this up so we can remove the tag at the top. Oh, and this article is too important to merge with Link, by the way :p. Anthony 09:09, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * This article really seems like it would be better off as a subsection of Link. This is, after all, just the child form of the OoT/MM Link, and none of the other Links get their own article.Ganondorfdude11 18:18, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Deletion

 * 1) This is Link, and just as Toon Link doesn't have an article or that Ganon and Ganondorf don't have separate articles, there really is no reason that this should. Young Link is also a fanon name given in a spin-off title, so the name can't even be considered canon. 00:22, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) Food for though: Just because Billy wants Ganon and Ganondorf to be separate articles doesn't mean that they should be. If we start letting the fans' thoughts and feeling organize the wiki, everything will be out of place. 02:28, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) I've thought about this for quite awhile. This page is rather highly viewed, just barely out of the top 400 pages out of 2815. I think some fans just identify with Young Link. In skype, I'll mention something I thought of, to compensate for the fact that we will be keeping the Link page sectioned by game. 12:58, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) First, it would keep the Link page from getting messy and uneccesarily long, and there is enough legitimate info on this page to warrant one. Second, as Ax said, even I identify with the character having played and cherished OoT when I was younger. We don't have to merge or delete everything, guys - it would just get weird to not have a Young Link page, canon or not. We can even just put the conjectural title up!And honestly, when writing for a wiki that has a lot of fan support, sometimes you have to consider the thoughts of the fans, esp. since we are too! =) 02:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Zelda related article. Begrudgingly, I must defend it as such. 03:03, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Merging
Could someone please merge this page with Hero of Time to remove confusion. Also it can be tedious when clicking between pages to get information on one character. 00:35, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with the merge entirely, so long as nobody has any objections. Now that we have the Hero of Time article, there's no real reason for this page to exist. It refers to the exact same incarnation of Link, and a lot of information is repeated. The only problem is what to do with this page afterwards. Should it redirect to the Hero of Time article, redirect to the Link article like Adult Link does, or should it just be deleted altogether? Personally, I believe the former would be the most logical form of action, seeing as is the only game in which there is a distinction between Adult Link and Child Link. Naturally, this would also mean that the Adult Link redirect would also have to be changed, for the sake of consistency.  15:07, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't really support the idea of a Hero of Time article, but if we're going to keep that, then there's no point in keeping the OoT/MM information from this page here.
 * However, I say that this page should remain to detail the character from Super Smash Bros. Melee, much like we have the Toon Link article focusing solely on the eponymous character from Super Smash Bros. Brawl instead of all the incarnations of Link that resemble him. 15:28, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, I've never particularly liked the idea of the Young Link and Toon Link articles. The thing is, based on Young Link and Adult Link's movesets and appearance in Melee, it's made pretty clear that they're based on the Hero of Time, so why not keep their information under "Non-canon Appearances" on the Hero of Time article? This also goes for Toon Link, who is based on the Hero of Winds (at least in Brawl, anyway). This also brings into question the Link from Brawl, who is shown to be based on Link's incarnation. If we were to keep a separate article for Young Link and Toon Link, then surely we would also have to make separate articles for the Link from Brawl, and possibly the upcoming SSB game as well? And where does that leave the Link from the original SSB, who is also based on the Hero of Time? I believe that Young Link and Toon Link shouldn't be allowed to have their own articles simply because they have unique names, when they are clearly based on existing characters.  16:22, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I know this is a year later, but I agree that it should be merged with the Hero of Time article, and that this should remain to detail the Super Smash Bros Melee character MHNinja478 (talk) 13:40, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Considering Young Link now appears in Hyrule Warriors and is very likely not the same character, I think we should keep the page. Peanutjon (talk) 18:48, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The idea is to keep the page with only the SSBM and HW appearances and move the canon information to the Hero of Time page. You can contribute to the current conversation down below. 19:31, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Article Reorganization
Since there was a discussion previously about merging the content on this page, and there was a good consensus that content had to be removed from this page, I want to discuss a few things: Because of these, this article should be treated the same way as we do with the Toon Link article and we should instead put a clear focus on the Young Links that appear in non-canon media to distinguish them from the normal "Link" (those being Melee and Hyrule Warriors). 14:24, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Young Link is not present in OoT or MM. They are not Young Link. A young Link appears in those games, but Young Link is a name for a character based on the child Link from those games, in the same way that Toon Link is based on the Link from The Wind Waker and related titles, but isn't necessarily him either.
 * 2) There is no canon basis for "Young Link" as a title in relation to the child form of the Hero of Time, so the canon and non-canon aspects of this page need to split. I'm fine with the notion of merging the OoT/MM information with the Hero of Time article (as much as I don't like that we have said article).
 * I agree. Now that we have at least 2 non-canon appearances, we can make a decent article out of it. 19:10, 15 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Also agreed, this article is currently layed out in a confusing manner, and really should be treated like Toon Links article. -- 16:34, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with that to, and that the canon information should be put on the Hero of Time article MHNinja478 needs a life (talk) 14:03, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Small Edit
Sorry if this doesn't warrant an entry on the talk page, but I wanted to explain why I am changing part of the Young Link article, mostly so that it doesn't get changed back. I'm a stickler for attention to detail and I noticed an error. The article states that Young Link wears Hover Boots when performing his Triforce Slash combo in Hyrule Warriors when he actually doesn't. While the Hover Boots were something the Hero of Time could equip (at least as an adult), what Young Link actually dons for this attack is something the Hero of Time never got in OoT or MM, the Pegasus Boots. If you look closely, you'll see the boots have the Feathered Wing that the Pegasus Boots have been depicted with in Link's Awakening artwork and the in-game 'Item' sprite in Four Swords and Minish Cap and not the Golden Metal design that the Hover Boots sport. Young Link using the Pegasus Boots could be a reference to how other 'young' Links, such as those in the Four Swords games, Minish Cap, Phantom Hourglass, Link Between Worlds, and, arguably, Link to the Past and Link's Awakening, used the boots while other 'adult' Links have not, arguable though since LttP and LA are somewhat hard to place between 'young' and 'adult', appearing more 'teen' then anything. User:DevaAshera 5:20, 8 February 2015


 * I agree with the notion that these boots are more likely the Pegasus Boots than the Hover Boots. They don't resemble the Hover Boots, and while wearing them, Young Link moves rapidly. It makes sense for them to be the Pegasus Boots.
 * Also aside from Young Link "appearing" in OoT/MM (he does not, as I've explained already on this page), the Link from OoT never uses the Hover Boots as a child. It's equally unlikely, so given the objective abilities expressed by the boots (greatly increased speed), I would confidently venture that it's the Pegasus Boots. 11:58, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


 * There is one big hole in your argument though, They cant be the Pegasus Boots, as Young Link never used the Pegasus Boots. All of the personal items Young Link has access too in Hyrule Warriors, as far as items involved in his move set, are items he used in OoT/MM. Yes the boots may appear more based off the Pegasus Boots, but you have to remember Young Link Never had access to them. In Ocarina of Time he got access to the Hover Boots, which makes them the more logical item for this Young Link to use. And while the appearance of the boots may not be 100% Identical to the Hover boots in OoT, you have to take into consideration that neither does the Kokiri Sword, which has been turned into a double handed long sword. The Hover boots, in OoT, yes they let you hover over gaps, but they also allowed Link to slide across the ground when worn, as well as move faster when sliding. Thats exactly what Young Link does when he performs his C6 in Hyrule Warriors: he slides around at high speeds, then hovers in place while the explosion happens. They cant be the Pegasus Boots because Young Link never had access to them in OoT or MM, but he did have access to the Hover Boots. And while yes they were limited to just his adult self, you have to remember that HW doesn't always play by those kind of rules. Technically Young Link couldn't wield a bow in OoT, but he can in MM and HW. Also another fact that, when using Young Links C1, to use the Ocarina to trade his special bar to fill his Magic bar, you can use the move even as Fierce Deity Link in HW. Yet FD Link could never use items in MM, so again, item limitations from OoT/MM not relevant in Hyrule Warriors.  I just don't see the point in having them be the Pegasus Boots, an item Link never had access too in OoT or MM, when they could be the Hover boots, an item he did have, and would make the most sense to have them be as an allusion to the games this Link has been in. After all the young Link in Hyrule Warriors is the same Link who starred in OoT and MM, and it would make more sense for his abilities to reference those games. Ixbran (talk) 12:11, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Young Link is based on the Link in Ocarina of Time, but he isn't a direct representation as you've said. He doesn't have access to the Pegasus Boots in OoT, but neither does he have access to the Hover Boots. Just because he partially derives from one of the two games doesn't mean he has to use an object from that game purely based on appearance.
 * Also, I can assure you it's probably not the supposed "Hover Boots" that makes Young Link float in the air, as the Fierce Deity does this as well. There's more evidence for it being the Pegasus Boots instead. It doesn't resemble the Hover Boots apart from having wings, yet it doesn't have the gold color scheme. And I don't think that Link actually gains a speed boost from wearing the Hover Boots. He gets a boost in total distance he can travel, but that's no faster than normal/icy physics. Here, it is clearly a significant boost in speed. 14:24, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Young Links in-game description in the games tutorial menu clearly states it is the same Young Link that starred in Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask. "The land of Termina faced imminent destruction from a magical masked figure and a furious moon, but a young hero named Link appeared just in time to summon the four giants and set things right.  Link originally found him self in search of someone dear to him. The Skull Kid stole the Ocarina of Time from him and set the events of Majora's Mask in motion.  Despite his youth, Link is a formidable warrior, possessing master of a sword. He also comes equipped with the fierce Deity Mask, an object that allows him to turn into a powerful spirit." -In Game Description  So no he is not based off the Young Link from OoT/MM, he is the exact same Young Link, as if he were pulled into the era of HW via time distortion, like Darunia, Midna, and Fi. So claiming hes not the same Link, when the game clearly states he is, is a moot point.  So again, I reiterate, it wouldn't make sense for them to be the Pegasus Boots because, as the game clearly states hes the Hero of Time, that incarnation of Young Link never had access to them. The Hover Boots however, he did indeed have access to. And while yes, how he uses them isnt exactly how they were used in OoT, that doesn't mean they cant be the Hover Boots. I mean, last time I checked, the Zora Scale wasn't capable of granting the user the ability to perform Hydrokinesis, Epona has never been shown to be able to jump on a monsters face while impaling monsters with her hooves, and the Wind Waker has never, until Hyrule Warriors, been able to generate electric pink musical notes and summoning lightning. And as for its appearance, again, the Zora scale being in a bubble attached to a bracelet, the Megaton Hammer, when used by Darunia, being molten red rather than silver in OoT, and the Wind Waker baton having those pink gem stones in HW when in WW it didnt. The developers at KoeiTecmo obviously took liberties when putting all of them in the game.  And so what if Fierce Deity Link is capable of performing the same animation without the boots? That would make as much of a difference to the Hover Boots, as they would the Pegasus Boots, so again you're bringing up a moot point.  Again, I reiterate, it simply doesn't make sense for them to be the Pegasus Boots when Link never got them in either OoT, or MM. When he actually did have the Hover Boots in at least one of those games. It makes more sense for Young Links personal items and abilities to reference attacks and items from the games he is directly from, and not an item he never used from a game he was never in. Ixbran (talk) 14:47, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Even if Young Link is taken from OoT and MM, it doesn't mean he can't use items he didn't have on those games. Take into account that HW is non-canon, meaning that developers have freedom to do whatever they want. Take for example Zelda, which uses the Wind Waker and the Dominion Rod, items that she didn't use in any canon game. Maybe developers wanted to merge the two boots into one, as they can make Link go faster and float. Besides, it's still not official which boots are they, although they are indeed made to resemble the Pegasus Boots more than the Hover ones. 21:23, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


 * See the thing is though, the Wind Waker and Dominion Rod are both items that are said to be treasures of the Hyrulian Royal Family. The King of Red Lions specifically states that about the Wind Waker when giving it to Link, as well as the description of the Dominion Rod in TP. And another thing to take into account that the Zelda in HW is the Hyrule Warriors version of Zelda, the Mainstay characters who got complete re-designs in HW can borrow from multiple games since they are made for that game. So characters like Link, Impa, Zelda, Sheik, Lana, Ganondorf, Ect can borrow elements from other games in the time line since they are from the HW Era. But the Young Link in Hyrule Warriors isnt frmom the original HW era, hes the hero of time, so it makes little to no sense for him to be able to use items from games he was never in. So far every item hes used is from one of those games: The Kokiri Sowrd, the Keaton Mask, the Ocarina of Time, the Fierce Deity Mask; all items he had access too in the games hes appeared in. Then suddenly out of nowhere you want to claim he's using the Pegasus Boots, an item the Hero of Time never had access too, over the Hover Boots an item that the Hero of Time did indeed use? So what if the designs of the boots aren't 100% identical to the hover boots in OoT, don't forget the changes they made to other items appearance in HW. like the fact Young Links sword, the Kokiri Sword, was turned into a two handed sword, when it was originally only a one handed sword. Ixbran (talk) 23:31, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


 * How about this: we state on both the Pegasus Boots and Hover Boots pages that Young Link wears a pair of winged boots which share similarities between X and Y boots. After that, we just simply mention a winged boot on this page. This way we cannot go wrong with wild fan conjecture. 23:27, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


 * The Hero of Time never used the Pegasus Boots, so claiming that he has access to them in Hyrule Warriors makes no sense. Why try to make it ambiguous because ' we don't know ' ? All of his personal items and abilities borrow from his OoT/MM appearance, why should the boots be any different? Ixbran (talk) 23:31, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Because, hold up now, Hyrule Warriors is not canon. Let's even look at Tingle. This Tingle is obviously based on the one from MM, but his second weapon tier reminds me of Tingle's Balloon Trip of Love. Does it matter? No, because Hyrule Warriors is a non-canon mish-mash of several games into one. Young Link being in HW is not even explained in the game's story, because he is merely a DLC character included for the sake of fun. It should not even matter WHAT the boots are actually supposed to represent, and for all intents and purposes and to avoid an edit war, it should be preferable to call it winged boots that resemble BOTH the Hover Boots and Pegasus Boots. Young Link cannot even use the Hover Boots in OoT. This whole thing really shouldn't matter. 23:49, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


 * "Young Link cannot even use the Hover Boots in OoT." Fierce Deity Link isn't able to use any items outside of bottles in MM, yet in Hyrule Warriors he can still play the Ocarina of Time to transfer the energy from his Special Bar to his Magic Bar, so item limitations from base games don't matter here. On the subject of Tingle, yes of course hes supposed to be the MM Tingle, but considering the fact hes the star of his own spin off series, why wouldn't they bring in references from those titles into his HW Appearance? His character has more to borrow from those games than just from MM, so for him those references make sense.  But seeing as how none of you are able to see what the boots are meant to represent, then fine, we can simply call them the 'winged boots' and then mention the Hover Boots off hand. I still say we should avoid mentioning the Pegasus Boots, since they are an item the Hero of Time never had access too, so it wouldn't make any sense in the slightest to associate them to his character seeing as he never used them before. Ixbran (talk) 23:56, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


 * It seems like you're the only one gunning for calling them the Hover Boots here, and it's simply the best conclusion to leave them unnamed. Admitting that we don't know isn't a bad option, because we really don't. Your arguments simply aren't strong enough to claim as fact with certain confidence. 00:18, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Saying that Tingle is allowed have love-themed balloons despite being based on the one from MM is not a strong argument, since you can easily apply that to any incarnation of Link by saying they're allowed to use whatever items. If MM Tingle is allowed to have that balloon, then technically Young Link would be allowed to use Pegasus Boots. =P But that's not the point here, as I agree that the boots SHOULD be left unnamed. There's simply not enough cold, hard proof that indicates which one the boots may be, and the boots hardly resemble the Hover Boots. 01:14, 9 February 2015 (UTC)