Zelda Wiki:Hyrule Castle/Archive 2

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Zelda Music Links
Did anyone else notice that nearly all of our links to Zelda music files are dead? This must be do to the recent changes to the Zelda Universe.net interface. We'll have to go through all the music links and replace them with good versions. 00:33, August 5, 2008 (UTC)


 * FRIGGIN' ZELDA UNIVERSE NEEDS TO GET A MAKEOVER AND JASON DECIDES NOT TO TELL US OUR LINKS ARE DEAD ARGHLARGHGAH!


 * Well, if most of the links go to the same place, Jason should be able to help us. I hope. 00:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I've already had to do this a number of times in the past. It'll be quite tricky to find all the affected pages. It may be an idea to create a template for "play this song" links - not only would this standardize the formatting, but it would allow pages containing such file links to be categorized if required, making this process easier in future. Matt? 18:08, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a plan. 22:37, August 12, 2008 (UTC)

Wait a minute. We don't need to put it in a category. All we need is the proposed template's "What links here" page. Simple· 22:58, August 12, 2008 (UTC)

Fav Icon
Has anyone else noticed that, on subpages, the site's favicon doesn't show up? Why does it do this? I'll tell you why. On the pages that it does show up, the software looks for this file:  http://zeldawiki.org/skins/monobook/favicon.ico . But, on a subpage, it looks for a file like this:  http://zeldawiki.org/ Base_Page_Name  /skins/monobook/favicon.ico . So every subpage it looks in a unique place for the favicon file and it just isn't going to find it. I'm not exactly sure how to fix this. But... ...The favicon will show up on subpages when editing them. This means that the problem has to be in the coding for our site's short URLs. So that is the place to start. 04:17, August 27, 2008 (UTC)


 * I've done some research. This seems to be an issue of our choice to have the article name follow the domain name. I think I have a solution. We need to make a rewrite rule. Here is the guide to making a rewrite rule: Apache Rewrite rules . That will hopefully solve the problem. 04:36, August 27, 2008 (UTC)


 * ...which is also a part of the & problem, which Jason is (supposedly?) getting around to fixing. 12:13, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Just because I said "short URL" and "rewrite rule" doesn't mean that they are the same problem. They are two different problems caused by the same thing. We'll need a different rewrite rule for each one. 14:38, August 27, 2008 (UTC)

It's been long enough. How about we make some rewrite rules. The favicon issue and the ampersand issue are both closely related. But they will each require a different rewrite rule. Since the fixing the ampersand issue will redirect several pages and the favicon issue fix will just change the icon location, I suggest we practice first by trying to fix the favicon issue. Once we have managed to fix that, we should be ready to fix the ampersand issue. Let's not put this off for much longer. Otherwise we'll start to forget what we've already learned. 02:51, October 10, 2008 (UTC)


 * Wait, I see the favicon. Good gosh, dude, how are you having so many technical problems with the site that I can't replicate?? The ampersand issue still stands, yeah, but favicon seems to be a problem for you alone (unless anyone else isn't seeing it as well?). But yeah, I'd fix this but it requires root access, which Jason alone has. We believe in you, Jason! 04:38, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Go to a subpage. Try User:Matt/Gallery. It doesn't show on subpages. I believe I said that above. I explained why it was doing it too. 04:41, October 10, 2008 (UTC)

Jeez, Ando. What is it? Twelve times (I don't know, but it feels like it!) or so that I caught you "missing" vital info that lays a mere paragraph or two above? You have got to shake this habit. It is getting to be rather embarrassing. :P Oh, and you might want to hang around for a few minutes after you edit. You always seem to "make an edit or two then run". You can't really be sick or that busy all the time. You have being doing it every time you edit for months now. If you can't stay and wait after an edit then just add "got to go!" to your last edit to a talk page. I'm just saying. I tend to catch your edits right after you make them and then respond, but you "run" and I have to wait a long time for response. I always have ZW.org recent changes reloading constantly in the background whenever my PC is on. So I'll probably catch your talk page edits right away, within a few minutes during the afternoon for sure. So try to stay for five or ten minutes if possible! Now! To business! We should definitely try out fixing the favicon issue first. If we mess up the first time then the consequences are minimal. But messing up with the ampersand issue will really mess things up for anyone trying to get to those pages. If we can successfully fix the favicon issue, the ampersand issue will be easy. We're going to ask Jason to try to make some time to do this. I'm not sure how long it'll take, but I'm guessing that it'll take somewhere around twenty minutes to an hour (depending on our luck). 06:44, October 10, 2008 (UTC)

Gallery
Are the new galleries going to be changed? The new ones don't look as good as the original, and the text on the current ones are too light anyway. 11:34, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Nope. I'm afraid the consensus among the staff is that the new style galleries are preferred. Also, I can't see any problem with the text? Were you talking about before they were changed to blue from the default white/grey? 09:38, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Categories and Sub-Categories
They're a mess. More to the point: What determines if an article is categorized in a category in addition to that category's parent category? There are things like Category:2D games and Category:Enemies in The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, which are, but then Category:Forests, which aren't, and even ones like Category:Mario and Category:Villages which are sometimes. So, is there standard, or have people just been shoving these randomly together? (The latter seems more likely, honestly.) --Douken 04:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Good question, and yeah, it's just been up to the discretion of the editor. We should decide what to do, though. In my opinion, adding something to a category and its parent category... kind of defeats the purpose of having the sub-category to begin with. I vote that all offending articles have the sub-category's parent category removed. All in favor? 17:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * That sounds better than any alternatives I see, but this would mean... quite a bit of work. If this goes through, we should probably conform most of the category descriptions, as many of them are either vague or unspecific. Whenever reasonably possible, I believe "This should list all  found  ." or something like it should be used; it seems to be the most professional and specific phrasing currently used. --Douken 19:42, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd actually be inclined to suggest that we do the opposite. Let me explain why I think it's important that (in most cases) articles have both the parent and sub-category. Using only sub-categories greatly restricts the ability of less-knowledgeable users to browse content. For example, I want to find a Person, but can't quite remember the name - now I also need to know what game(s) they appear in. Or even more simply - I want to be able to see all Places in one list, rather than being restricted by what type/classification of place they are. To me, it's just making things less user-friendly for no discernible benefit (I haven't seen anything above that justifies why it needs to be done). Also, most articles currently have both categories - this would be a LOT of work... 21:07, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * If someone can't identify the name or game of a Person, they'd still have to scroll through 377+ articles in Category:People in hopes of finding a specific one? I can't reasonably imagine anyone that casual about this series would be that patient/desperate to find the associated article. Ando's way should be done because it's much more efficient and reliable to have it set either one way or the other, and because categorizing everything in Zelda into Nintendo, and everything in Nintendo into Video Game Companies doesn't sound practical.  It's also less confusing Ando's way, if you ask me.  --Douken 21:42, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Loading Times
What is up with the site? Things have been getting slower and slower to load for months. I just had to wait three hours for one page to load. No it is not my connection any other website loads normally. Are we reaching are maximum bandwidth? We have to fix this now. If we just keep shrugging it off, people are going to get angry and frustrated and we'll lose members and many thousands of viewers. Are reputation will also be hurt, bad. We need to find out why the loading times for all our pages are so slow and fix it. 21:47, September 21, 2008 (UTC)


 * You speak as if we haven't discussed this.
 * Believe me, something like this will be talked about on the staff boards, and has been. Jason hasn't actually commented on what he thinks might be the problem, though, so I can't say I have any news for you. Still, though, three hours? I've had some slow loading times but... dang. At what time was that (might be good to get an idea of the average speed at various points throughout the day). 00:10, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It might just be me. But it seems that many of us regulars most likely will be unable to donate. I guess Adam could, I don't know. I'm fairly sure no one here under 21 has a credit card, or at least they shouldn't!! Let alone PayPal. So, this $3000 will get us a year? At this rate, I'm not sure how many years we can maintain it. When I think of it, $3000 seems a little too much for a year of a server that would suit our needs. That's $250 per month. That is a very expensive sever. I think some of us should go server hunting, find a cheaper one that will give us what we want. And someone get Jason to give us the specs of the new server he is planning to get. That way we can find a better one. $3000 a year just isn't realistic. There is just no way we could possibly maintain that. We need something better. 07:01, October 10, 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, we didn't really have a choice but to go off a get this server. Those crashes were getting bad. It was almost to the point where I feared that people wouldn't be able to donate at all. But in my current run of redirect fixing I've notice that loading times have not improved much, if at all. Un-cached or newly edited pages take ten to twelve seconds to load at minimum, up to a minute at most. I've got a fast connection and a fast PC. Some other people should report their speeds as well so we can get a better idea of how speeds have changed. 21:39, October 14, 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, it took me about a minute just to get on this page, and another page I recently visited said there was a missing parserfunction and that the "mysql server had gone away" (seriously). 22:16, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Ditto what Markol said. I got the very same error moments ago. --Felicia&#39;s Champion 22:18, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Hm, well I haven't gotten the errors -- I've actually noticed a marked increase in loading times. :/ Took me 4 seconds to load this page, and I'm averaging about 6 seconds per page, 10 if it's particularly slow, as opposed to the 45+ seconds I was getting before. I did notice a small period during the day (lasted maybe five minutes) wherein the loading times seemed to revert to their slower selves, but it resolved itself. I would like to know if we have caching enabled on the Wiki, though. It's DEFINITELY off on the main page (the RSS extension forces that), but what about on other pages? 22:59, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Japanese Names
Thanks to the work of Js06, we now have a vast number of pages with the Japanese name for the subject on the page. But I think that is looks too weird. Earlier on, I proposed putting the Japanese name for the games in the page's infobox. At the time very few character pages had the Japanese name. No that is different. I now propose that we move all the Japanese names on the site to the each respective infobox. It would not be hard to edit the templates to allow this. But it would take time to move everything. Everyone else okay with this? 20:52, October 2, 2008 (UTC)


 * Holy crap, how'd I not notice this until just now? ...
 * Uh, anyway, it could work, I guess. I honestly don't think that the Japanese looks too weird at all, but maybe I'm alone on that belief? What are everyone else's thoughts (considering that it will be a transition that will take a bit of time, we shouldn't do it too lightly). 04:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Sidebar Changes
I've got a few idea for moving/changing things in the sidebar. I'll list them out.
 * 1) Remove the Main Page link. The logo is sufficient for that.
 * 2) Replace the All Pages link with Categories.
 * 3) Remove the Pieces of Heart link altogether.
 * 4) *The links on the "Hyrule Castle" and "The Heart Container" pages are sufficient for this purpose.
 * 5) Add links to the Featured Article and Picture pages under the "community" heading.
 * 6) Move the toolbox above the "the masterminds"
 * 7) *This is mainly for making page maintenance easier. I'm not sure if this one would be practical though, due to its changing size depending on which page your at.

Everyone okay with at least some of these. That last one I really don't know about. It'll have to be based on the community opinion. Bye the way, when the logo was gone for me (Yes, Ando. IT WAS GONE! REALLY GONE!), the link behind it remained. So that would always work as a link to the main page. I don't know if we'd do all of these. But they are all just ideas I had. Let's decide. 01:08, October 16, 2008 (UTC)


 * 1) Sure, I could deal with that
 * 2) Ditto
 * 3) Mmmm, not so much. After all, if I want to get straight to Pieces of Heart, I have to take that extra step. Perhaps not "wiki-destroyingly bad" or anything, but I'd be mildly annoyed
 * 4) YES. VERY YES.
 * Eh, it kind of removes the focus on the actual owners, doesn't it? They help keep us going, and so we shove them to the bottom? Plus, what you say about its size change is pretty crazy. Sometimes it shows two links, sometimes ten. Could be fairly disorienting. I like the idea of having those links closer to home, but I think that the negatives sort of outweigh the positives. 14:47, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * 2 and 4 done. 05:38, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Database Error
Sometimes when I load up the recent changes, I get a database error. It has been happening about once or twice a day for the last week or so. Here is what the message is:

Database error -- From Zelda Wiki Jump to: navigation, search A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:

(SQL query hidden)

from within function "LinkCache::addLinkObj". MySQL returned error "2006: MySQL server has gone away (192.168.0.2)". Anyone got a clue what this is? 20:51, October 26, 2008 (UTC)


 * Bye the way, I have the recent changes set to auto-reload every minute at all times. If I'm at my computer, I'll catch it. I haven't heard of anyone else doing this so that is why I caught this. But to confirm all this, all you have to do it do like I do and keep an eye on it. 20:56, October 26, 2008 (UTC)


 * Every minute? Really? I've got it going every five... Hm, whatever. But okay, to test this out I've set it to constant one-minute reloads, so we'll see what happens. 21:03, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I have proof!. It just happened again. This time I took a screenshot. Just give me a second to upload it. 21:10, October 26, 2008 (UTC)

Here it is. See? 21:14, October 26, 2008 (UTC)


 * You... speak as if I don't believe you. :P I think I might test this out later as the site's running a little too slowly for me to really be able to effectively patrol running on one-minute reloads. (Sure enough this error will be dependent on site traffic.) 21:28, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, to be perfectly honest, you did not believe me when I reported the last few problems, besides loading times. (LOGO!!! It really was gone! Favicon, but that was just a misread on your part.) 21:35, October 26, 2008 (UTC)


 * Er, I never said I didn't believe you regarding the logo, only that I couldn't replicate it and found it odd that you and everyone you knew were having the same problem that I couldn't see. :P The Favicon, eh, I got confused and forgot what "subpage" meant; but I certainly never thought you were lying. 21:47, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Regardless of the intention of your remarks to those issues, there was a distinct tone of disbelief. My theory is that this is due to your tendency to rush edits and then leave. Just a theory. 22:28, October 26, 2008 (UTC) Yes, this entire post was sarcasm. Intended to let everyone blow off some steam.


 * It is getting worse. I'm getting it about five times a day now. The site was down for about an hour this morning. Perhaps it is time to inform Jason. If no one hasn't already. 20:55, October 28, 2008 (UTC)


 * Nobody has informed me, but I'm informed now and will fix it up today. I haven't gotten the error myself, but I'm sure a repair will fix things up. If not, something else. --Jason 13:11, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

um, oh. You always know these things before I tell you so I figured it'd be redundant to tell you. >_> Sorry 'bout that. 17:13, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmmm..... What the hell is going on with the site? Everything is messed up. The backgrounds are white. The frames are gone. Everything is all screwy. 19:19, November 1, 2008 (UTC)


 * Here is a picture showing the problem is case it goes away before you guys get back. 19:28, November 1, 2008 (UTC)

Yep it stopped. See the pic for information on what happened. This is the second time this has happened. The pic is from the first time. This time lasted fifteen minutes. The last time lasted about three minutes. It affected every single page on the site from what I can tell. 19:33, November 1, 2008 (UTC)


 * dude it's like zelda wiki circa 1990
 * Sounds to me like just a regular PHP loading error. Was the site running particularly slowly at that time? I've noticed that when some sites load slowly they will just load the plain text instead of all the images. 23:36, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Well I know it isn't just me. The Internet Archive Wayback Machine archived the site when it was doing his once. The site was very slow right before it happened. Then while it was happening the site was really fast. 23:46, November 1, 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm getting the database error still. But now I'm getting it when saving pages. It is happening more often. It is getting to be a real problem. 17:52, November 4, 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure it's just you. I never get them, on any computer, on any connection. The wiki is nice and smooth running for me at all times. --Jason 20:42, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I can see how the white out, no css thing can be on my end. But how about the database error? That can't be a loading error on my end. Can it? I'm still getting it. 20:46, November 7, 2008 (UTC)

CSS fixes
I've noticed that seem to have gone wrong one way or another with the CSS here. Here's the ones I've seen so far, with suggested fixes: - SanityOrMadness 17:37, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Right-floated image thumbnails have the text touch their border, while left-floated images have a proper margin.
 * 2) *Fix: div.tright, in main.css, should have margin-left: .5em; added to its' attributes (div.tleft has the margin-right it should have).
 * 3) Various stuff, mostly to do with diffs and history, have light text on a light background.
 * 4) *Fix for highlighted revisions on the history page: li.selected{background:#0A2139; color:white}
 * 5) *Fixes for the diffs themselves (to make them light-on-dark like the rest of the wiki) in diff.css:
 * 6) *# table.diff, td.diff-otitle, td.diff-ntitle {background:none}
 * 7) *# td.diff-context{background:#555555}
 * 8) *# td.diff-deletedline{background:#4F5A00; color:white}
 * 9) *# td.diff-addedline{background:#005A00; color:white}
 * 10) *Fix for the "we don't have a page like this" message: .noarticletext{background:#0A2139;border:#59697A 1px solid;color:#59697A}


 * So these are the fixes for the new MediaWiki version? We've been looking for these, actually. :P Excellent, I'll toss them to Jason and see what happens. 17:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Jason had some trouble fixing these. Perhaps he just didn't get it quite right. This might help. 17:45, October 29, 2008 (UTC)


 * *just edited the above to better reflect how the stuff that needs changed looks in diff.css and to remove the "!important"s, since I've been using these changes in Stylish/Firefox for a while and that needs the !important to override the defaults. That obviously wouldn't apply if the defaults themselves are changed* - SanityOrMadness 17:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Making the changes now. They should appear shortly. Thanks! =D --Jason 13:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

User Talk Page Links in Signatures
Over at Wikipedia, they have it now so that a link to your user talk page is automatically added to your signature when using  ~  if the "raw signatures" is unchecked. Could (or should) we implement this here too? 20:04, October 30, 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably one of the MediaWiki pages that isn't created codes for that; you should ask someone from Wikipedia. 09:22, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Image Posting?
How do I post an image onto a page? Do I take it off Google or take one that was saved on my computer? Please help, I want to fix some articles that lack pictures.Derfying 22:14, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Have a look here. That should tell you what you need to know. 04:34, December 12, 2008 (UTC)

Thanks man. I can't believe I was stupid enough not to notice that.▀Derfying▀ 22:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Names
I want to make my username a different color and font like other users. How do i do this? This should be in the help section...


 * Actually, it is: Help:Custom Signatures ;) 02:14, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. couldn't find itDekuta 18:10, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

User.. Pages ?
I am a new user to Zeldawiki.org and I was wondering, since I am a user of this website, does every user get to create a "user page?" If so, how do I create one ?

--αmbeerℓynn : ‹//3з 02:18, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Any user can create a user page. To do it click on your red user name in your sig. It should take you to a new page with a large white box. Click on the box and you can begin typing. I hope you enjoy your time editing here!--Link hero of light 02:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks alot :) --αmbeerℓynn : ‹//3з 02:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I would also like to ask, how can I change the color of my signatures? It looks pretty cool !

--αmbeerℓynn : ‹//3з 02:28, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Here's a tutorial. 02:33, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Steve, you're a terrible person, giving people outdated information like that. OBVIOUSLY the real tutorial is here. ;D 18:57, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Pictures
Do the Image Templates have to say exactly where the uploaded the picture came from? Can I find a site that has the exact same image and say it came from that site? I'm sorry if I'm not making any sense, I don't know how else to put it.--Link hero of light 03:27, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

You mean, if you have an image, lets say one of Link, and you can find it not only in one place, but on another website, too. And you are wondering if you give the credit to that website... If you have two images, they are exactally the same, one is on XXXXXX.com and the other is on YYYYYY.com, and you take the one from XXXXXX.com, and wonder if you should give credit to YYYYYY.com. You should stick with the website you got it from (XXXXXX.com), and not the other website (YYYYYY.com). I'm sorry if that didn't help^^'~Bongo Bongo~ 22:10, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Better Bongo Bongo
Is there another bongo bongo fight image besides the official art and the one with the title? ~Bongo Bongo~ 21:57, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, there may be a chance to get the 3D model and get a better image that way. But that is not my area. 22:00, January 28, 2009 (UTC)

Signatures
Nother stupid question from a newbie. How exactly do you make a custom sig with colors and such? I've tried using the wiki code but that doesn't seem to work. Any help? —Alter 21:35, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * There is a guide for it. Help:Custom Signatures. There is also a template that can help: Template:Color. 21:42, January 28, 2009 (UTC)

Sweet! Thanks again! —Alter 22:44, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Database errors
On quite a few pages I get database errors, such as The_Odyssey_of_Hyrule. Is this just me or does anyone else get this? Dr.Cortex 17:34, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well now I'm not getting them anymore, eh. Problem solved I guess? Dr.Cortex 17:36, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * You didn't get a page specific one. You just got a random database error. We've been getting these for a while. We're still not sure what is causing it. 19:04, February 1, 2009 (UTC)

You want transparent images, right?
I noticed a character image or two that had a background, and I know where to find transparent versions of some of them. That's what you guys want, right? Oh, and you don't mind using images from other sites or made by other people as long as they're credited, or at least the site/person states they can be used freely, right? --Axle the Beast 05:05, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Can someone remove Parapatalk.png
I was using it to update a page, but figured removing the entire page would be more beneficial than adding a minuscule amount of information. 02:28, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Infoboxes?
Is there another template or command I don't know? Or are there no infoboxes?


 * Userboxes are available here, if that's what you mean? 08:51, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Articles on fanstuff?
I was thinking it would be a good idea to have articles on significant fanstuff, like flash movies, comics and games. Things like The Return of Ganondorf, Super Smash Flash (since we have articles on the Smash Bros. series,) and several others come to mind. Would articles like those be acceptable? Mind you, I don't mean every single Zelda themed thing that comes out, just the really significant stuff. --Axle the Beast 04:02, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, we used to have a page for Super Smash Flash but it was deleted, and I don't really see fan-made comics or flash games meeting the "notability standards" we tend to adhere to. Zelda fan games however are acceptable, and go here. Fan art is acceptable only as long as it meets the usage criteria here. 08:51, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Even really well known flash movies (or comics), such as The Return of Ganondorf, by Legendary Frog? I would think that would be as relevant as the Zelda song, IMO, which there is an article on. --Axle the Beast 05:37, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I dropped in here to point out that, the song page (if it is indeed the one I am thing of) was deleted. 06:07, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Unsigned Comments
How do I put up the sticky for posts that people have made without signing them? You know, the one that says:proceeding unsigned comment by "whoever". Also, shouldn't part of this page be archived? It's getting very long... 23:52, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey there! The unsigned comment thing is achieved with the template.
 * Also, yeah, someone should probably archive part of this page. :P 05:12, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks! 06:04, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Table of Contents
This is probably a dumb question, but how do table of contents work? I've looked at coding for pages and don't see anything there for it, unless I'm just dumb and keep missing it. I looked in the help pages and also didn't see it there.


 * It is automatic. It will appear on a page once it has more than three sections. You can force it onto a page by inserting at the point on the page where you want it to appear. It will float on the left side of the page. You can use the  template to force it on the right. 06:46, March 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that answered it perfectly. 18:48, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

What determines which changes are kept and which are not?
I made an account specifically to contribute to an article (The Shop article on Malo Mart), and I did. I added another bullet to the trivia section regarding the music.

But now I see it's been reverted to how it was before, and I'm just curious what exactly determines which changes are kept and which are not. Mine wasn't lies or anything, and I included a reference as well as details that acted as evidence for what I added, so I'm curious.

Thanks. :D

There are requirements to editing, which you seem to know already. As long as edits follow this, then it is fine. 19:23, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Hm.

If you look ( http://www.zeldawiki.org/index.php?title=Malo_Mart&action=history ) at the history, you can see I followed the guidelines...but it was still reverted. I won't try and redo it, that would waste someone's time, so I'll just wait to see what someone has to say.

Also, forgive me if this isnt how you respond to these things- the whole "edit-the-page" format for discussing things is a little strange, and im not sure if I'm doing it right. :p -Claeric

I took a look, and everything seemed to be in order. I redid it for you. Oh, and you can quickly sign your name by typing ~ (four tildes). Later. 00:42, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It was removed in because it was not up to quality and was not properly referenced. In addition, it is more of a theory than actual trivia. It is not the place of Zelda Wiki to host every theory out there in articles. Typically theories are only allowed if they have wide acceptance. Otherwise we would quickly be overwhelmed with a large amount of nonsense. You may however place theories you may have on your user page. 01:09, March 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd say there was pretty damn good reasoning for it, and it was just an interesting tidbit which I gave perfect evidence for, but alright. YOu don't have to be a jerk about it and label it when changing it as "unecessary theory". It's interesting trivia about the shop. You should rename the "Trivia" section to "Random crap about it that we couldn't fit elsewhere into the article" if you don't intend for it to have trivia.

I'm every so sorry for wasting your time by trying to add an interesting theory(backed with evidence and using qualifiers such as "probably" rather than claiming it as fact) to an article.

And I would like to know why you say this 'theory' doesn't have wide acceptance. Is it just becuase you've never heard of it? If you show anyone with a brain the shopkeeper's head and have them listen to the music, I'm sure they'd agree that it's very obviously what is going on. Which is why I backed it up with clear reasoning.

I probably wouldn't be so offended if you hadn't called the contribution unecessary. None of this is necessary. It was just a fun little tidbit. Again, sorry for attempting to contribute with something perfectly reasonable.


 * I respectfully disagree, Matt. Personally, I believe that it is perfectly viable. I can fix it so that there will be no complaints, though. Done. Is this good enough? Malo Mart Oh, and Claeric1, you should be more respectful of the mods. 02:14, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Done! Undone! :/ Sorry, but this edit is really unnecessary. It is barely an accepted theory (meaning it is still debatable whether or not it is valid).
 * Claeric1: Writing, "unnecessary content" (or in this case: "theory") is actually somewhat standard procedure. So..there was nothing personal intended there. Also, if you would like to put theories and such on your user page, feel free to do so. 02:38, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Why don't we take a look at Rauru? If I want to, I can go take a look at quite few other pages, too. I've noticed the voices, too. Are you saying that they don't exist? Sure, the "Hylian" part may be a bit of a stretch, but it's still a perfectly viable theory/idea.  02:46, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * No matter how obvious it seems, a theory just doesn't go in the trivia section. Also keep in mind that the Zelda world is not technologically advanced enough for a headset. For help knowing how to do things, look here. 02:44, March 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * "Also keep in mind that the Zelda world is not technologically advanced enough for a headset"
 * Oh, alright. So the spinning speaker on his head is...what, exactly? A completely pointless hat? And all the electricity powering the lights in the shop...what is that?


 * It's completely obvious, and it's just stupid that you won't allow simple tidbits in the trivia section. I can tell you that this place would be even better with little things like that, and now I find myself wondering just what is missing from every other article out there. I also find it ridiculous that something with evidence and references given is unacceptable, while there are tons of articles with absolutely nothing explaining what they say or where the nformation comes from.


 * You're all ridiculous. Claeric 20:15, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Instead of calling us ridiculous, try fixing what you think is wrong. If your edit gets reverted, it isn't the end of the world. When I first came here, I didn't do much right. Even now I still make lots of mistakes. It's silly to get so upset just because your edit was reverted. If you think we need more references, add them where you see necesary. If your edit is undone, get over it and keep trying.--Link hero of light 00:30, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It needn't be hightech to amplify a voice, almost any horn would do; even crazy spinning ones. So yes, it's feasible to work in a low tech way, but If he's speaking Hylian in the song, why would they bother to have his voice cue, in English saying Thank You? Secondly YouTube videos are welcome on the page, just not in the References section. Thirdly when something is undone, you could find out why, keep your temper, and try to find an acceptable rewrite. And btw welcome to the Zelda wiki, we debate a lot of things on article talk pages- You win some and you lose some. Trust me on that :P 00:40, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I understand where he is coming from, though. He worked hard and wrote a section using good grammar, etc. It appears to me (no offense!) that it was removed due to the fact that it didn't "fit" with others ideas of Zelda. Now I'm not going off and screaming "censorship!" or anything like that, but I still support it's being there under the theories section. I've seen plenty of others here add their own theories, claiming that they are wide spread. That's just my take on it. IDK about this... 01:06, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I personally believe that there's little fault with the theory itself; whether from an in-game headset or not, no one can deny that there is actual human speech in the song itself (Japanese, to be precise), a first for the Zelda series. The way it was placed into the article was incorrect, sure (improper referencing, mainly), but that's easily fixed and left in the article. I believe that stating that a song contains spoken dialogue is PLENTY notable for a trivia section, given that no other song can claim this. On another note, Claeric, I would like to ask that you calm down please? In my experience, getting angry only serves to be destructive and cause everything to break down into argument, which I highly doubt any of us want. ;) If you have a problem with an edit you made being altered / undone, please discuss the situation with the person who undid the edit and try to work out a solution. 01:10, 14 March 2009 (UTC) P.S. Actually, Axiomist, YouTube videos are valid references, unless something's changed recently that I'm unaware of? Just need to use.


 * Sorry for getting all upset, but it is frustrating. This place is pretty well traveled, I saw it wasn't mentioned, and seeing as how spoken words in a zelda game are a pretty damn unique thing(plus an awesome tidbit to notice), I tried to add it.


 * I have to agree that it seems like the only reason for rmoving it is that it doesn't "Seem to fit the zelda universe", since a majority of the argument seems to be "Zelda games don't have technology like that." When they very clearly do. Also, the reason it's an announcement and not just speaking- the audio. The voice quality is clearly altered to sound like it's from a speaker. Also, Youtube videos are used as references in plenty of articles, so I don't know what you're talking about there...Really, from the sounds of it, only ONE person thinks it doesn't belong, and that one person seems to have no good reasoning and can only say "This isn't widely talked about and is therefore not "widely accepted"" and "Zelda games dont even have technology like that".


 * I really think you should ease up on things like that, because, like I said before, plenty of articles would benefit from cool tidbits like that- whether they are absolute fact or not(In this case, it's fact that it's spoken word and the only thing in the entire series with such, which is pretty significant.)


 * So...I guess it's futile to discuss anyway, because as far as I can tell the one person against it is the person who is in charge...and they probably won't break on it. =/ Claeric 07:46, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Archive This Page
Does anyone want to archive part of this page? I don't really feel comfortable doing it myself, as I'm not sure in what style or format this has previously been done before. Thanks. 01:22, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Agreed, I read through it, and it seems everything has been wrapped up. We can always either leave a section or two so that newcomers can see what this page is for or start new discussions, I've got plenty of suggestions for new topics like "Quality Standards" and more use of the Zelda Definitions page for articles that are just barely not deleted. 03:04, 8 April 2009 (UTC)