User talk:Ice Medallion@legacy41965084

Multiple edits
Hello! I noticed you've been making a lot of edits to the same page over a short time. Doing this puts a large strain on our server and clogs up the recent changes. So instead of saving a lot, use the "show preview" button next to the "save page" button. It'll allow you to view your edit for any mistakes so you don't have to make a lot of fixing edits or additional ones! :) 20:06, 30 December 2011 (EST)
 * Oh, sorry. I didn't know it caused such a strain.  Thanks for warning me.  I'll edit more efficiently from now on.--Osteoderm Jacket 20:10, 30 December 2011 (EST)
 * Don't worry about it, it's a very common mistake among new users. I was guilty of that one myself, once. In any case, I'd say you're off to a pretty good start. I hope we'll be seeing more from you in the future! 20:21, 30 December 2011 (EST)

I agree you're work on the Tadtone article was outstanding, and for your first time here incredible. I was didnt even know how to link on my first edit haha. XXSuperXXNintendoXx 22:15, 30 December 2011 (EST)
 * Thank you very much! I don't really know what to say.  I just saw a gap and decided to make an article.--Osteoderm Jacket 22:22, 30 December 2011 (EST)

OOT Bosses
Hello Osteo!

I saw your message on Dany page and I replied there, but I also copy-paste my reply here so you can see it more easily. It is not true, see the Mini-boss page - "They may be optional." Itachou 18:32, 13 January 2012 (EST)

My Vaati Name Theory
But like I said, theres nothing wrong with putting a theory until it has been proven wrong. NOA hasn't given us a reason on how and why they gave Vaati his English name, people on this site are entitled to have a theory. I've seen Etymology theories all the time on this site and some of them still haven't been proven and yet their still there. The statement bellow that revision has nothing to do with my Etymology theory in any way, I never said that Vaati's name had anything to do with his Japanese name Gufuu, I said that Vaati's name could have come from the word "Batty" but said in a Japanese like-style of format that would be prounouced as "Vaati". In Japan, V and B sounds are often interchangable when translated into English as well as R and L sounds too like how Jap-Rinku would be translated to Eng-Link. Vaati's name could have been created from a Japanese style of format using a word that resembles his appearance, Vaati-Batty. Thats my theory, I don't see any reason for it to be removed until it has at least been proven by Nintendo of America. There are tons of theories on this site that are still there and have still yet to be proven, so why does mine have to be automatically removed? --Vaati The Wind Demon 23:51, 15 January 2012 (EST)
 * Individual people's theories are not a good candidate for inclusion in the main article. As far as I can tell, this is your own idea and isn't a commonly occurring one in the wider Zelda community.  If I'm wrong, by all means tell me so and return the note to the page, but nothing you've said so far leads me to believe that it's anything other than yours.  If it's your own idea and you want to express it on this wiki, put it on your user page.  That's what I've done with mine.  For that matter, if a localizer is creating a new name altogether rather than basing the name on one from the original language, why would they base their new name on the way some word in their language would be pronounced in the source language?  Why not just make it a word in their own language?--Osteoderm Jacket 00:01, 16 January 2012 (EST)
 * I could put it on my own page, I can really do that? I thought your page was for describing yourself only.--Vaati The Wind Demon 00:03, 16 January 2012 (EST)
 * I see tons of people with theory sections on their pages, including admins. I don't think anyone minds.  It's just counter to the spirit of a reference, which this is, to put information in an article that is neither a confirmed part of canon nor a sufficiently widely-held fan idea to be something someone interested in the Zelda community should know.  (Of course, fan-created concepts must be clearly distinguished from canon if they're present in the articles, which we're generally good about doing.)  Anyway, yeah, go right ahead and put it on your page if you like.  It looks like you haven't created a user page yet, but it's not much work.--Osteoderm Jacket 00:14, 16 January 2012 (EST)
 * Ok, thank you for the information, that really means a lot to me. A lot of people over on Youtube keep on telling me that user pages on Wikis are just for posting information about yourself only, like inroductions, bios, interests, ETC, anything that pertains to you, but this changes everything, thanks for the information.  --Vaati The Wind Demon 00:23, 16 January 2012 (EST)
 * I can't speak for other wikis (that are anything like this one, at least; I also edit TV Tropes Wiki and Wikipedia at times), so don't generalize this to them. This is just how it seems to work here.--Osteoderm Jacket 00:25, 16 January 2012 (EST)

Discussion
Hey, Osteoderm! Just wanted to let you know that I moved your discussion to the Milk Bar, since that's where those types of questions should go. Hyrule Castle is [supposed] to be for discussions pertaining to large projects around the wiki or about proposals to change the wiki's policies or something along those lines. It's ok though, we recently changed the purposes of our community pages so we're not expecting people to get used to them right away, but hey...we have to start somewhere! ;) See ya around! --Dany36 00:54, 14 February 2012 (EST)
 * Ah, sorry. I'll observe that from now on.--Osteoderm Jacket 00:57, 14 February 2012 (EST)

Japanese names
Hey,

I noticed you edited the Japanese names for LA/OOA/OOS dungeons. Would you mind telling me where you got them? For example, you renamed the Snake's Remains ヘビの死体 whereas on the overworld map, Snake's Remains shows up as ヘびの なきがら. 16:07, 21 February 2012 (EST)


 * As for things like replacing なきがら with 死体, I was just converting the hiragana to kanji where applicable. I assumed that the in-game text was limited to hiragana, as is sometimes the case in earlier games. The Japanese instruction manuals (e.g. ALttP's at http://zs.ffshrine.org/link-to-the-past/japanese-instruction-manual-scans.php) consistently use kanji when applicable, so I think it's reasonable to assume that the "official" spelling (in media that can use kanji) of these dungeons uses kanji as well. The names of the dungeons and other entities on this wiki already use kanji in many places; they just don't use kanji consistently, in a manner suggesting that someone got partway through converting the in-game hiragana-only spelling to one that you'd find in media with full character sets available.


 * As for replacing ヘび with ヘビ, according to Wikipedia's article on the Japanese writing system, one situation in which katakana are preferred is in the common names of plants and animals. So "snake" ("hebi") would get its katakana spelling, which is ヘビ.


 * Obviously, the best way to settle this would be with scans of a Japanese strategy guide or other official source that names the dungeons with full character sets available.


 * If you believe that these are not fair assumptions to make, tell me why and I will undo every single edit myself. --Osteoderm Jacket 16:25, 21 February 2012 (EST)


 * BTW, I have found a Japanese online strategy guide for A Link to the Past and Link's Awakening, another game I applied this policy to, and it uses kanji in the spellings of dungeon names: http://zelda.cute.bz/sfc/dungeon/index.html for A Link to the Past and http://zelda.cute.bz/gbdx/dungeon/index.html for Link's Awakening. I have noticed a couple of cases where words have katakana spellings I don't use (e.g. "turtle", falling under the "common animal name" rule); I will fix these shortly.


 * I'll be back to attend to this more in a little while, but right now I have an errand. --Osteoderm Jacket 16:38, 21 February 2012 (EST)


 * I understand where you're coming from, but unless the kanji is used in any official documents, naming them any different than the way they are named in-game would be less than accurate. I'll ask Fizzle, I think he might have a copy of the Link's Awakening Shogakukan guide. 17:14, 21 February 2012 (EST)


 * The Official LA website has the names of all the dungeons. They seem to go half-and-half with kanji and kana, sometimes it's just all kana.
 * If you're up for it, we could just list all the different (official) variations of the names: in-game, official website, and guide (if Fizzle can help us out and the guide happens to name them differently, too). 17:51, 21 February 2012 (EST)


 * That site isn't displaying properly for me at the moment, so I can't really see the spellings, although do note that I've left kana in the LA names where appropriate. (I've fixed Turtle Rock, for instance.) If I can get the characters on that site to display correctly I'll check the names against that. Any advice? Normally Japanese characters display correctly in the browser I'm using (Firefox) but for some reason this and the Oracle game pages are giving me gibberish.


 * I'm not sure whether displaying multiple official variations of the names is a good idea. We may want to just pick one (where we have more than one available) and be consistent about which one, e.g. official website takes precedence over guide, which takes precedence over in-game text (at least for NES, SNES, and Game Boy games, which do tend to have restricted character sets, as I've pointed out). It's an interesting idea, at any rate. --Osteoderm Jacket 19:02, 21 February 2012 (EST)


 * OK, I figured out why it was displaying wrong and can now read it. Changing the names to fit, although I note that a number of my original changes were indeed warranted. I note that it calls Tail Cave "Tail no Hokora" (テールのほこら) rather than the "Tail no Horāna" (テールのほらあな) that we've been using. Would you happen to know what the source is for the Link's Awakening translation page? --Osteoderm Jacket 19:18, 21 February 2012 (EST)


 * Well that's good, because I was about to post a response telling you how. About what you said earlier, I'm not sure I like the idea of completely ignoring the way it's spelled in-game, even if it's only spelled that way for a reason, but it's not something I'm going to bother stressing, so moving on...


 * Everything on the LA translations page was taken from this Japanese fansite, so it's not very accurate. I had planned to update it but... well... that never happened. :P 19:32, 21 February 2012 (EST)


 * Again, we would only diverge from the in-game spelling if the game had a restricted character set and another official source used a spelling that differed from it by using characters not in said restricted set. I'm not advocating using kanji if no official source backs it up. I mainly just think that if we're going to have only one spelling of the name on the wiki, it shouldn't be the one that isn't the way the name would normally appear but is an artifact of how the game works, just as we don't call Mario "MARIO" because the first game to feature his name didn't have lowercase letters. --Osteoderm Jacket 19:42, 21 February 2012 (EST)