Talk:Wizzro

Biography
Okay...why are the DLC scenarios kept separate? They are specifically presented as being part of the character's backstory, and inform the context of, and clarify the details of, Wizzro's actions in the main scenarios. For one, "Wizzro's whereabouts after Cia's defeat are unknown." is...a lie. We know it. He's sealed back in the ring.

In addition, why were the many corrections I had made to the primary story removed? Stuff like setting the Deku Tree on fire is even referenced in the Adventure Mode quizes as a "memory of the story's events".

Finally, why was it removed that Wizzro's sprite is identical to a blue Wizzrobe, and that he leads the Poes into battle?

I put a ton of work into sprucing up this article, and it feels like it was all thrown away without any discussion or consultation. This is immensely troubling.KrytenKoro (talk) 03:51, 28 October 2014 (UTC)


 * First of all, the decision to put the DLC scenarios in their own section was a decision we as staff came to. Not just for the Wizzro article, but how to approach the other character articles as well. There are enough reasons for this. The main one because the DLC packs are entirely optional for purchase and are not mandatory, and it is only fair to let readers know the distinction between the regular scenarios and DLC scenarios without having to constantly repeat "In the Master Quest DLC pack,". While it is true that the new scenarios provide some insight to the backstories of some of the characters, we felt it would be the preferred for it to be in its own section for that reason. Also some of the new DLC scenarios have been contradictory to the original scenarios and statements made on official websites. In the end, they're bonus stories and nothing more than that.


 * Second, it wasn't my intention to purposely remove your additions, not entirely at least. I tried to keep them in, but I was admittingly having a difficult time separating the paragraphs and decided to bring back some of my original revisions. If you want to re-add your corrections, such as the Deku Tree on fire, go right ahead. Regarding "Wizzro's whereabouts", keep in mind that this wiki prefers that facts be cited. I played through that last scenario, but I guess I must've not been paying much attention then, because I must've missed the fact that she sealed him into his ring. But then I have to wonder if this contradicts with the timeline of the original scenarios. Either way, we prefer facts to be sourced. I can remove that mention otherwise.


 * Lastly, keep in mind that this is an open wiki. Changes to pages and their edits is a given. Your work did not go to waste, merely I had split it into its own section, so there is really no reason to feel so troubled or attacked over it. Your contribution is appreciated and it is still technically there, just cleaned up some. But please understand as this is a wiki, you cannot expect your edits to be left untouched. -The Goron Moron (talk) 05:31, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I understand that it's a wiki, believe me. What troubled me is that this was, a near-complete revert of the work I had done, with no discussion beside a mention of "we decided elsewhere we didn't like it". No thread was mentioned for why this work wasn't allowed, and other than the Master Quest decision, no reason given for what I had done wrong -- I was given no chance to say "this is why I feel this works better". What troubles me is that I was completely shut out of giving input to the decision. The evolution of a page through various edits is par for the course on a wiki, but large-scale reverts usually obligate some kind of explanation, to at least prevent wasted work in the future.
 * Since I still don't know where the discussion was held in order to give my input -- the storylink template that I created, and put up for discussion on the discussion center talk page as instructed, neatly solves the problem of "in the Master Quest DLC pack". No, it is not mandatory to play them -- but they were still created and published by the authors as official work. They are presented as a "behind the scenes", not as an "elseworlds". They don't modify the original story, a la playing OoS and OoA in a varying order. If they contradict pieces of the original scenarios, I feel that should be mentioned, but we already see that kind of minor plot hole all the time in these games; if they contradict statements from official websites, why are we giving preference to websites rather than the game itself? They may be considered "bonus" material, but I don't feel I need to inform the wiki of the existence of "games delivered incomplete what you need to buy DLC to finish" -- Challenge Mode itself was even a day-one free DLC pack in NA, and Cia, Volga, and Wizzro as playable characters were planned from the beginning as well. The scenarios are presented clearly as "pieces of the story", rather than contextless excuses to mess around, as with the Adventure Mode.KrytenKoro (talk) 15:32, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Arg. I know I'm kind of taking the revert personally, and in an effort to approach this from a calmer perspective: are there any major problems with this version of the page?15:56, 28 October 2014 (UTC)