Talk:Vaati

Vaati's fate is not said at the end of the Minish Cap. In the Four Swords, we know that Vaati was sealed away with the Four Sword at some point. Is it just speculation that he is sealed in TMC, or did it come from a canon source? Can we be sure that Nintendo's not holding off that occurrence for an upcoming game?--Matt 16:17, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hm... you raise a good point. But I seem to remember it being said that the Four Sword trilogy was just that: a trilogy, consisting of TMC, FS and FSA, never to have another entry. So I really think that it's just assumed based off of the events of the next two games, and never was nor will be explicitly stated. --Ando (T) 19:31, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Cluttered
This page is really starting to look cluttered, with the amount of pictures being added to it. Should a gallery be started to bring them under control? --Yuvorias, 12:34, 1 May 2008 (EST)
 * I was thinking that too.Axiomist 02:37, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Oot Poster inclusion?
http://images.wikia.com/zelda/images/4/4a/Vaati_OoT.png Seriously now, although That is from OoT, Doesn't it look uncannily like a Vaati form? I added it as 'trivia' not anything Canon. But some are willing to delete, and I'm willing to press it. So, I'll agree with the general consensus.Axiomist 03:13, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd say it's the big bad shadow beast from OoT that is trapped in Kakariko's well. I'm sure bongo bongo is saddened by not being invited to the eye party. http://www.zeldawiki.org/File:Bongobongo.png PureLocke(User/Talk) 07:46, 16 November 2010 (EST)

Sheikah?
Is it possible for Vaati to be Sheikah? One of his form has the Sheikah eye symbol. And he has the whole "eye" theme Just wondering. This could possibly go in the trivia or theory section? Onyx 02:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Let's see. Comparing these two images, there is some resemblance to the eye symbol. But definitely not enough for a connection. Remember that just because there is a eye symbol on someone, that does not make them a Sheikah. Zelda had it on here cloak in Twilight Princess, but she is not a Sheikah. Symbols themselves done mean that that person is related to the symbol's group. Veran has both the eye symbol and the Gerudo sysmbol on her clothes and we can be sure she is neither Gerudo or Sheikah. Remember that Vaati is a Minish. That alone makes this unlikely. So, in all, I'd have to say no. 02:23, August 14, 2008 (UTC)


 * [[File:Vaati Transfigured Figurine.gif]] this was the form i mentioned. and yeah your right. I just wanted a thought to ponder though. thanks!
 * Onyx 03:01, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually in Minish cap you find outg vaati is a minish. Calibure 17:29, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the eye is very similar, its only just missing the tear, which has been said, (non-canonically), to have been missing at some point. Along with this, Vaati has red eyes, and white hair, which are other Shiekah traits. I think you should consider saying in trivia that there are similarity. Nicktheslayer 02:25, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * We can't really make that comparison. The only confirmed Sheikah we've seen are Impa and Impaz, the latter of which is old and thus her hair'd be white anyway. You can't say for sure that all Sheikah have white hair. Reign 05:16, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


 * It's borderline. Perhaps if it fits well, then add it, but there really isn't a way to compare it. Besides, Vaati is Minish. 06:05, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, i know there isnt enough to say the Vaati is Sheikah, and that it already has been confirmed that he is Minish, but there are too many things that point to the Sheikah, that something should be said.

Things that pretty much scream, "SHEIKAH!": Red eyes, and white hair. Even though only one Sheikah was young enough to have color, and it was still white, all confirmed Sheikah had white hair.

The Sheikah eye symbol, as i said before, is his main symbol, just missing the tear. Also, he isnt really waering the symbol, he BECOMES the symbol, which is more than Zelda wearing it on her cloak.

On his face, he has marks under his eyes, similar to the tear in the Sheikah Symbol.

He is wearing blue and red, like every other confirmed Shiekah, along with Shiek.

The only thing saying hes not Shiekah is the fact that hes Minish... I don have much evidence to support this, but im sure i could try to look into it later.. Maybe Vaati had something to do with the Sheikah, and he was the one who betrayed, causing them to put the tear on the eye symbol. This could be why Vaati's symbol didnt have the tear, and that it was added later. It could easily been added before the other games, and this also goes to support the fact that the Minish Cap was first in the timeline. Nicktheslayer 02:42, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


 * OK. We'll add the info if some more concrete evidence surfaces at some point. 03:17, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * I believe that the Vaati was originally minish, but helped create the sheikah. Vaati is good with dark magic/ Shadow magic (The sheikah are the shadow folk), has sheikah characteristics (White hair and red eyes), and has the Eye Symbol (without the teardrop, though it is non-canonically stated that at one point the Eye Symbol didn't have the teardrop originally.) I think that the minish cap would come first in a time line of the entire series, so the Sheikah may not have been yet created. Vaati could have created the Sheikah before the events of the minish cap. As Vaati has distinguishable Sheikah traits, he could have served as an appearance model for the group. The eye symbol would have been created as a reference to the Sheikah's creator's true form, with the tear drop being added on at a later point. By Tressert 2:15 January 2nd 2010


 * Well, unfortunately, these are all just theories, which cannot be listed on a factual encyclopedia. Trust me, if there is a game released or more developer quotes which make these ideas more viable, we will have them listed. 21:17, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Vaati can't be a Sheikah as he is Minish. But there is a group of mage supporting him in Four Swords Adventure. Those people could have been or could have become the Sheikah tribe. Jeangabin 06:56, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Honestly, the eye has more in common with Majora's than the sheikah's. Vaati and the mask both have a purple/gold theme, both have final forms called "X's wraith", etc.... Jabberwock xeno 20:58, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

TMC ending: Is Vaati sealed or not?
In order to avoid an edit war, I think it is more proper to discuss the matter here. The point I made was that FS (released in 2002) shows clearly that Vaati was sealed in the FS. TMC comes two years later and we just see him exploding. Had they wanted him to be sealed, they would have portrayed it as they did in the previous game. Also, the fact that the screen goes white for a moment is not proof that he got sealed. The same thing happens after OoX Ganon is defeated and we know that he is not sealed. Yes, TMC is a prequel to FS and FSA but this doesn't mean that TMC is the FS BS. When ALttP was released, it was also meant to be a prequel to LoZ/AoL; it was not LoZ's BS though. So basically, what we have to assume is that after TMC events, Vaati is somehow revived and then the FS BS occurs. Zeldafan1982 11:25, 16 August 2011 (EDT)


 * It also doesn't prove that he was destroyed eithor, Ezlo says that Vaati was "Defeated", he doesn't say he was destroyed. The fact is there is more evidence supporting the fact that Vaati was sealed away in the Minish Cap and it is not the same as the instance from the Oracle series because Ganon isn't defeated with the Four Sword, he is eithor defeated with the Wooden Sword, the Noble Sword, or the Master Sword.  It does prove that the Minish Cap is apart of the Four Swords Saga because the Minish Cap tells us the story of Vaati and the creation of the "Four Sword".  I'm not trying to start an edit war, believe me, I'm just posting the facts from the games themselves that prove and support that he wasn't destroyed.  --Vaati The Wind Demon 12:17, 16 August 2011 (EDT)


 * I agree that in TMC he is not completely destroyed. There is no doubt about that. But I still don't see any evidence that he is sealed. I mentioned the Oracles battle, because this shows that the "blanking" of the screen is just a transition effect. The article should just say that he is defeated, not sealed. Zeldafan1982 12:59, 16 August 2011 (EDT)
 * Agreed, Friends.--Vaati The Wind Demon 13:01, 16 August 2011 (EDT)
 * It's nice that we came to an agreement :) I will edit (or you, whichever comes first!) the three articles to reflect that. Zeldafan1982 13:14, 16 August 2011 (EDT)
 * I'l give you the honors for editing the Minish Cap pages if it's alright with you, ;).--Vaati The Wind Demon 13:20, 16 August 2011 (EDT)

Vaati's English Name Theory
To prevent an edit war from happening, I will post my theory on how Vaati's English name may have been picked for him because people seem to be not paying attention to my theory and start thinking I said it was created from Gufuu when I didn't even say that at all. I said that it could have come from the word "Batty" but said in a Japanese style of format that would be prounouced as "Vaati". Heres my theory bellow this post here to understand it a lot more.

There are words in Japanese that sound exactly like English. Examples: Jap-Deviru=Eng-Devil, Jap-Gamu=Eng=Gum, Jap-Kaabii=Eng-Kirby, Jap-Suraisu=Eng-Slice, and Jap-Rinku=Eng-Link. I can come up with more but I think this is enough. This is a theory I came up with on how Vaati's name may have been created, through the word Batty but said in a Japanese style of matter and also considering the fact that Vaati resembles a large bat which makes my theory worth metntionimg until Nintendo can come up with the Origin reasons. In Japan, V and B sounds are often interchangable when translated into English as well as R and L sounds too like Jap-Rinku to Eng-Link. Vaati's name could have been created from a Japanese format of style using a word that resembles his appearance, Vaati-Batty.