Talk:Rito

Zora Evolution
We need to come up with a way to write this in a non-POV way. Is there any canon evidence to suggest that the Rito are evolved from the Zora? The Rito post-office guy has a character model that bears a striking resemblance to the postman from OoT/MM, and this suggests a human ancestor. --Jin 00:18, 5 October 2006 (CDT)


 * Considering that the Zora symbol appears on Medli's dress, in addition to several other references cited in the article directly from the game, the theory of Zora evolution is just about as sure as the existence of gravity (to which is known, but not the source of gravity). I think the article should state evolution as a legend rather than a theory at this point. --Marinko 11:48, 18 May 2007


 * The problem is, it may not be evolution. They could have been transformed by magic, and probably were. Therefore, to call it evolution would be inaccurate. Obviously, the entire thing is a subject of debate and probably should be left out of the article altogether, or at least called something rather neutral. --Jase 13:02, 18 May 2007 (PDT)

Zora-Rito Theory
Stop removing counter evidence for the Zora-Rito evolution theory that is of the same value as pro-eviden (that's not a word, is it?). I admit that it may look a little sloppy now. I'm prepared to change it into a better looking section one of these days, but please let it stay the way it is now, so that I can easily edit it (without forgetting any topics).

I'd also like to note that whatever some people state, it's nothing more than a theory. Many people do not believe it, and their opinion is not of lesser value than that of those who don't. Hey, I believe Fado is Mido's sister, but you don't see me removing the counter arguments, now do you? Anything that is not downright stated and has believers and non-believers should have a few counter arguments. Simple as that.

Now, I'd like to have one question answered though. What does "Monarchial system like the Zoras" mean? How many monarchial system do exist? Like, how is the monarchial system of the Deku, the Hylians and the Ikanans (whatever they are) different?IfIHaveTo 02:21, 8 November 2007 (EST)
 * The Zora have a monarchical system in which they worship a god, and have their king as a supreme ruler who's primary duty is to relay that god's commands, and an attendant to the god. Or at least, that's how I understood it.
 * So Medli would be analogous to Ruto, the Chieftan to King Zora. The Hylians, Ikanans, and Deku have a traditional monarchy.
 * How does that Rito resemble the Postman, anyway? Its only claimed by him on the figurine, anyway.
 * As for the interbreeding thing - it does not explain why the Zora emblem is prevalent even upon the higher members of the Rito, and its the exact same argument as point 3. Thus, point 3 is the only one really claiming anything in relation to the argument.128.211.174.192 13:01, 8 November 2007 (EST)


 * Okay, I get the monarchial system thing now. It indeed resembles each other's, except that the monarchial system of the Zoras seems to make the royal family responsible, while that is not the case with the Rito. Also, they use a different title for their leader (King vs Chieftain). They still differ from each other in ways that are just as prominent as the ways they also differ from others.
 * [[Image:Koboli_Figurine.jpg|thumb|100px|right]][[Image:Postman_ooa.gif|thumb|90px|left]]

Figurine: Koboli is the third generation in a family of postmen, but rummor that an ancestor of his in a ago gone by was also a postman...

That's how they resemble each other. Without the figurine's description, I wouldn't have considered it enough, but these two facts together are strong. Then again, a "rumor" is nothing more and nothing less than a rumor.
 * I have ONLY seen the Zora symbol on two occasions: Medli's clothes (which can be explained by her heritage). And on ONE of Komali's outfits (come to think of it, it might have been his second outfit's necklace). So, where else? Komali's I can give a few theories for if you want.IfIHaveTo 14:03, 8 November 2007 (EST)

In reply to the recent edits of the Zora/Rito evolution, I have the following to say:
 * 1) The Zelda Universe is pure fiction. Like hammerspace, the rules and definitions of reality do not always apply. While I'll be the last to shout "magic" as answer to a fictional issue (I absolutely hate that), it cant be ignored in this case. If the Zora made the change to Rito, magic is the only answer and it also might be the case for a Zora with Rito descendants. The terms of species and race are used interchangeably for the creatures-of-one-group-with-a-similar-appearance in the series. But we have no clue how the "races" relate to eachother! Who can give me proof a Zora and Gerudo can't have kids (that are capable of getting kids later)? Who can give me proof a Yook and Korok can't have kids together? No one can, because the series never stated anything. You know, for all I care, Laruto slayed a Rito girl, did the little healing song, put on the mask and went on making one of Medli's ancestors with another Rito.
 * 2) About the Rito resembling the Zora qua culture; stop saying that. I already said earlier that there are just as many differences (I have yet to see a Zora mail(wo)man, hear them call their leader "chieftain", etc.) as similarities. Secondly, and I'm only realising this right now, people consider the Zora and Rito similar qua culture based on OOT's interpretation of Zoras. But how comparable are the Rito to TP's Zoras (I'm leaving the OOA Zoras out of this for obvious reasons) for instance? Now, one could argue that game came later, so it doesn't apply. But if the two were intended to be similar, wouldn't Nintendo keep them closer related? The current arguments are the best I have seen as of yet: they are stand-alone, non-sidetrack arguments and no side is being favoured (at least, not to my knowledge). IfIHaveTo 08:16, 20 November 2007 (EST)


 * Sigh* Here I am, trying to discuss what to do with the zora-rito evo theory. Here I am, replying to an invisible, silent force once again.
 * Sea Zoras and Rito DO NOT have similar cultures or whatever. I explained that twice already, and since I'm not getting a reply, I am reluctant to explain it once more. You know, I have a problem with theories and opinions being presented as facts to support another theory. I feel like I'm dealing with people of the kind that is convinced Julius Cesar and Jesus Christ are the same person based on "facts" such at that both have the initials J.C..
 * The other arguments are facts. They started the theory. No one is able to convinve me that anyone thought the two cultures were similar, prior to having met Laruto and hearing of this theory for the first time. The theory creates its own proof so to say.
 * Before I end my message, I'd like to reveal the horrible truth to the people here: I'm a Dutchie; ENGLISH IS NOT MY MAIN LANGUAGE!! There, I said it. To say my "grammar is appalling" is very, very rude and shows no signs of respect whatsoever; even if it would be my main language. I wish people would have been this "precise" earlier, so that making a reasonable text out of a pathetic list would not be up to someone with "appalling grammar". I am very well aware that my English is not perfect, though I doubt it is thát bad. IfIHaveTo 07:46, 21 November 2007 (EST)


 * P.S. I want Medli and Komali specifically mentioned, because there's an odd rumour going around that the zora symbol can be found everywhere on Dragon Roost, which is not true. At least, I couldn't find anything when I went looking and no one as of yet has been able to mention another spot than the ones mentioned. IfIHaveTo 11:26, 21 November 2007 (EST)