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Protected Pages Requiring Editing

 * This section is to be used to request the editing or correcting of a protected page. Requesting this here is faster and more likely to be noticed by an admin. Note to admins: It would be best to never archive this section.

As you may have noticed from the Recent Changes, I corrected many links linking to the Twilight Princess disambiguation page. I'm sort of a perfectionist, so I like to be thorough. It was already agreed upon that fixing these links on talk pages and user pages will help those users to remember how to correctly link to the respective page. There are still four pages left to be fixed at Pages that link to Twilight Princess. The one on the talk page stays because it is clearly said that that link is a link to the disambiguation page. But the rest are protected news pages. 15:15, July 20, 2008 (UTC)


 * The two pages in the category Wiki Exclusives need their links to "The Legend of Zelda series" corrected to "The Legend of Zelda (Series)". 17:39, August 13, 2008 (UTC)

Too many new users sign their posts wrong. They do something like this:
 *  ~ Username

No offense to anyone that has done this, but I'm getting sick of explaining it every time. One solution is to edit this page and add detail instructions on how not to make this mistake. We could use bold letters, underlining, bright and contrasting colors, etc. to make it impossible not to notice it. 22:09, September 21, 2008 (UTC)


 * I think the article's Talk Page is used a lot more then this.  13:47, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Changes to the Recent Changes
Anyone notice how the 14 days and 30 days links do not work in the Recent Changes? It is because our settings have the Max at 7 days. The setting to change is $wgRCMaxAge. No doubt Jason will have to do this. The setting is in seconds. I think we should set it to thirty days. That is 2592000 seconds. That way at least the day links all work. There are other problems. Can we get that go button to be on the same line instead of a new line? Also we should remove the part about hiding logged-in users, anons, and bots. Those are irrelevant here. We might want to add the "hide patrolled edits" back. That might still be there for you admins. But it'll help out us auto-patrol people since it'll hide all our edits. We patrol edits too you know, even if we can't mark them as such. It is annoying to have to type it in the URL to hide them. 05:07, October 16, 2008 (UTC)


 * They don't? Are you sure it's not just because the 500-edits-displayed limit is reached even with 7 days so you don't notice a difference? Granted, I didn't count the results (500 is a lot, and it's early in the morning), but I'm pretty sure the 500 max is reached within 7 days usually.
 * "We might want to add the 'hide patrolled edits' back."
 * what. You had this?? I never had it before I became a sysop... Is it a side-effect of the auto-patrol setting?? Weird. But yeah, I still show it. The rest of what you said is really mostly aesthetic fixes, but yeah, they're still good ideas -- I'll toss 'em at Jason, I guess. 12:04, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I had "Hide patrolled edits" long before I had auto-patrol rights. It went away after the upgrade. I have my recent changes limit at 1000. I think it can go higher too. 13:50, October 16, 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow, really? I never saw it until after I got sysopmagics. Maybe I'm just unobservant.
 * Also, I thought that even the manual settings for the recent changes display capped out at 500. This is news to me. :O I'm gonna try bumping it up and see what goes down. 14:47, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Looking into the $wgRCMaxAge setting. 05:38, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, well I've changed a few settings. However, the MediaWiki documentation on this setting is fairly useless. If it works, then stuff from 1st April should stay here, otherwise who knows? Fireworks, maybe ;) On the other stuff, I don't think it's possible to remove or hide the stuff like "Hide anonymous users", looks like its just hard-coded into the interface and there's no "on/off switch". Other than that, I don't see any problem with the position of the Go button, so, yeah... 19:11, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Update - this worked. Selecting 30 days in RC now actually shows stuff from the last 30 days. 11:14, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Page Length
I've been working on the Wiki page for my website, Zelda Dungeon, for quite some time now. Unfortunately, it seems that I've reached some sort of limit on how long a page can actually be. There are two obvious suggestions as to how this can be adjusted without having to simply delete certain portions of content from the page.
 * 1. Create a sub-page for 'Zelda Dungeon History', much like a page is done on Wikipedia. (However, this page alone, when completed, will be near the page length limit.)
 * 2. Lengthen the limitation a page has on how long it can be to accommodate the Zelda Dungeon article.

I've temporarily made a page entitled Zelda Dungeon2Temporary so that I could have a place to save my information on the Wiki so it is not lost. Please post your thoughts on this situation. Mases 17:27, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I came across the same limit a few days ago. After making a minor change to Pieces of Heart and saving, the entire page was deleted! I had to split it into two, as I then wasn't able to re-save the original version as a single page. To be honest, I don't know whether it would be technically possible to increase the page size limitation, and even if it could be done users may come across issues with slow load times. I'd say the better option would be to split the page into subpages; perhaps transcluding these into the main article would work? 18:14, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * It has to be a setting. I've seen pages three, four, even five times as big on Wikipedia. 18:20, February 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * I looked very briefly, but found nothing of its kind. Then again, I'm kinda ignorant to this software and it could be right in front of my eyes. Can one of the admins help me out here? Mases 20:28, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Layout
Hello there! I've just created an account, because I want to view the wiki with a different layout. To be honest, I really don't like the grayblue color, and I can hardly see the difference between body text and links. Unfortunately, this wiki has only one style: a modified MonoBook. Is there a reason why you removed all other styles? I would like to use the standard MonoBook skin, but it's just not available. Any chance for an addition? :(--Totie 21:26, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * That sounds like a good idea. The current color scheme doesn't seem to fit with "Zelda", and it is getting a bit old. A little more variety would greatly improve the site. What say our mods? 22:31, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * A new skin is already underway, we have been discussing and making preparations for it. 23:14, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * It has already been a topic of serious discussion for a few weeks now. But we have considered it ever since we partnered Zeldapedium, the German wiki were all our other language links go to. Just be patient and wait for the results. 23:17, April 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * Awesome! I'm looking forward to seeing some results! 00:54, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

New userboxes please!
I was getting userbox codes from the Userbox List and discovered that the only userbox for owning a Virtual Console game is for OoT. What happened to the rest? I have LoZ on VC, but there was no userbox for it. Can you guys please make userboxes for the rest of the VC Zelda games and post them to the list? That would be great! --EzloSpirit 03:47, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The userbox is here. 05:18, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Image Copyrighting
I recently changed the Mystery Seed image to be transparent like the other seeds on the Mystical Seed page, but I had to make a new page since the JPG version wouldn't go transparent. Since it isn't my image, and I didn't scan it in, it didn't seem right to take any sort of credit for it. The original image (the jpg) was cited as contributed by Yuvorias, and I didn't know what to do with the copyright/citing of the new image. So here I am...do I cite it to Yuvorias, myself, Nintendo, or can I just not cite it and leave it be? 02:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The way it's set up, is that if you "significantly" change the image, it should be put under your name. Do you think you made substantial changes? I'd ask him what he thinks on his talk page, if I were you.


 * The exact text is as follows: This template indicates that you yourself created this image by scanning it, taking it (as in a screenshot), or significantly editing an existing image. 03:01, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

HELP ME PLEASE
I need a list of all the games that has to do with link or zelda but in the order that they were made. i want to learn all about link or i will DIE! PLEASE! this website is my last chance. i have been searching everywere but i cant find what i nee. please. i will love whoever helps me with this. it would be such a big help. im only a girl. i cant find this stuff out by myself. --AdamLambert980 03:21, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Try here: The Legend of Zelda (Series). That should have just about all of it. The official ones anyway. 03:32, May 9, 2009 (UTC)

THANK YOU ssssssssssooooooooooooo much Matt. Now i know all the games and the order they were made. my only problem now, and u dont have to help me with this if u dont want because i will probably have a lot of question,is that i want to play all the game but i only have the nitendo ds lite and the wii so i need to know how much it will cost so i can start saving and play them all cause i need the systems to. still,Matt, Thank U ssssssssssssssssssssooooooooooooooooo much. --AdamLambert980 14:02, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

It shouldn't be too expensive. With the Collector's Edition (which you can play on the Wii), you can get Zelda 1, Zelda 2: Adventure of Link, Ocarina of Time, and Majora's Mask. Other GameCube games you can buy and play on the Wii are Twilight Princess, Wind Waker, and Four Sword's Adventure. On the DS you can buy Phantom Hourglass. And you could get a GameBoy Advance, or a GameBoy Advance SP to play Link's Awakening, Oracle of Seasons, and Oracle of Ages, A Link to the Past + Four Sword, and Minish Cap. - Keaton-King 16:03, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Hide Content
How can I hide something on my userpage that I dont want to be displayed, but rather hidden and can be seen by pressing the show button? 04:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * That would be achieved by typing   05:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Whoops, my bad. Follow the directions here. 05:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, thanks for that ;) 05:20, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

FRIENDS?
can u have friends on the site Zelda Wiki.org and can i have a page?--AdamLambert980 14:05, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * If you want to create your userpage, just click the red link on your username. And create the page by adding text. 14:31, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

cool. can i add pictures?


 * Yeah as long as it's used for something in the wiki. You go here for it: http://zeldawiki.org/Special:Upload --Yusei 22:56, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

User Nav Panel
Um, I seem to have done something wrong with my user nav panel... 03:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Need a hand? 04:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, well acording to this - [],


 * my username is in the '*' section... 19:46, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll see if I can fix it. 21:42, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, I think it's fixed. Let me know if you need any more help. 21:46, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Morshu Database Error
When I click on Morshu while not logged in, I get a database error. But it works when I log in. Is it just me? --Makar Rocks 15:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Nothing on the page should have been causing that. The problem went away after I edited it. So best guess is that it got corrupted in one of the server crashes. 15:28, May 15, 2009 (UTC)

Big Mistake!
I accidentaly uploaded an image over someone else's image, replacing mine with theirs! I uploaded it again as a seperate file, but it is still an image that exists! How do I delete my images and upload them as seperate files?


 * First of all, mark every edit you make on a discussion page with ~, so we can know who you are. ;) Only admins can delete files, so you can link the image to an admin, who can delete it.  It might be possible to for a patroller to roll back your edit, but I'm not quite sure.  However, you can uplaod the image again as a different file type (.jpg, etc.), until the first image is deleted. -Austin


 * I'm guessing the image you meant was this one? Replacing an existing image (as you did in this case) is normally only used to replace one image with another of higher quality, and is only possible when both files are of the same type (jpg, png etc.). As you said, in this case you should have uploaded a new image separately. The steps for doing this are shown in the Help Guide here. In most cases, you'll also need to either add the   tag to the image's page after upload, or select it from the "Licensing" dropdown on the upload page.
 * Also; Austin, I love how you advised to sign posts with four tildes, and then didn't do that yourself ;) 08:22, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the help. I will make sure to follow instructions when it comes to uploading images.-Nintendo_Master

Bizarre Categorizing Problem
I just noticed that all of the pages I have been adding to categories for the past month aren't showing up on the category pages when I'm logged out. For example, when I'm logged in it shows 419 pages in the People category. This is the same if I type it into the search box or if I click on a link to the People category at the bottom of an article. But when I'm logged out, it shows 419 when I search for People, but when I click a link to the category, it only shows 403! But if I go to the next page in the category, it shows the correct amount! This same problem arises for other categories, like Hyruleans (129 vs. 111 pages listed). Strangely, Animals never shows the correct amount when I'm not logged in; it shows 42 when logged out but 51 when logged in.

I originally was thinking it had something to do with Internet Explorer, which I used to edit all those pages. But I just edited a page using Firefox (by taking the category off a page and re-adding it) and the same thing happens.

Update: Huh, I just checked articles recently categorized by other users and the same problem happens: Oasis Flight and the Events category; Green Ting and the Magic Restoring Items category. And Spirit Tracks isn't showing up under Games when I'm logged out and I click on the category, but it does show up when I type in Games in the search box. Looking through some old edits, it seems like this has been happening since at least early February. --Makar Rocks 10:00, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * This had me scratching my head all day, until the solution finally just popped into my head! This problem is caused by cached data on the wiki's server; basically, after changes are made (such as adding or removing articles to categories), the old version of these pages remains cached on the server and is served up when the page is loaded in place of the more current version. The difference you've highlighted seems to be because logged in users are given the current page content, whereas logged out/anonymous users get the older cached version.


 * However, there is a very simple solution which anyone can use. In the address bar, after the page URL just type ?action=purge (e.g. http://www.zeldawiki.org/Category:Events becomes http://www.zeldawiki.org/Category:Events?action=purge). This will load a confirmation, subsequently allowing you to purge the cached version of that page from the server. I've tested this on Category:Games and Category:Events (one while logged in and one while logged out), and it does update the article counts and remove the difference. 20:36, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow. Okay then. I'm glad you figured this out because it was driving me totally nuts. LOL


 * Update: Alright, I went through and purged most of the categories, except for Attributed images, C-nintendo, and Copyrighted Images, which I'm too afraid to do in case it somehow messes up. ;) Is everything working normally now? Does this have to been done manually every time an article is added to a category, or can it be fixed to be automatic? --Makar Rocks 20:43, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, everything was already working "normally" (as in, the way it's intended to). The only way to make the categories update automatically for non-logged in users would be to turn off the caching altogether, which won't happen. Server-side caching is used to greatly reduce the potential load on server performance caused by the wiki. Disabling it would likely cause slower overall performace of the wiki, and could even put at risk the future financial viability of our current "free" hosting at ZU.
 * This is just one of the unfortuante (but minor) side effects of the measures necessary to ensure the overall stability of the wiki. As such, the "fix" is to manually purge the cache on individual pages if required or, even easier, log in!! :) 12:28, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Voice
The voice used on this site seems pretty non-standardized. In some places, pages refer to the player directly, as though giving the player of the game instructions. Other pages refer to Link instead of the player saying what he should do, and still others talk about what Link did as though it's a matter of some fictional historical record. Do we have a policy on this? Examples:
 * 1) To defeat King Dodongo, you will need to set one of the C buttons to "bombs", and throw them when he opens his mouth to stun him.
 * 2) To defeat King Dodongo, Link will have to throw bombs in his mouth to stun him.
 * 3) King Dodongo's armor was too tough for Young Link's Kokiri sword, but he discovered that throwing a bomb into its mouth would stun the giant beast long enough to mount an effective attack. --Rootbeer277 20:45, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Using second person is not recommended. Any articles that use second person should be replaced with "Link", "he", ect. 20:15, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, but what about #2 vs #3? I can see advantages to each.  #2 makes it easier for multiple techniques to be described, rather than locking you into describing just one tactic, but #3 allows for greater immersion. --Rootbeer277 20:45, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * To be honest, there's no hard-and-fast rule at the moment; it's always just been the case that whatever the writer deemed to sound the best in a particular article was used. As Mandi correctly points out, 2nd person forms should never be used in articles, therefore we're only talking about 3rd person. Basically the question is which tense(s) are preferred; past, present or future? I tend to prefer a simple present form (e.g. Link saves Princess Zelda), but past tenses are also used quite regularly (mainly preterite or pluperfect). Can't say that I've seen much (if any) use of future tenses, such as your example #2. My feeling would be that either present or past 3rd person forms are acceptable, depending on what seems most inappropriate in a given context. 12:28, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

HELP!
I don't know if this goes here. In A Link To The Past, after you find Zelda in the dungeon, right after the sewers, there is a room with two bombable walls. Is there any way to get bombs before this part of the game or return to this room to bomb the walls? This is driving me crazy!

Yes, it is possible to find bombs in such places as jars, shops, etc. - Keaton-King 16:17, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

My Page does not Exist!
Whenever I try to sign my name, it always says it doesn't exist! I have created my useer page, and followed the correct format! I have tried with and without the underscore between words. What is wrong? -


 * You need to sign your post with four of these:




 * That's all you need to do ;) 00:48, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * If you're trying to use a custom signature like mine or Mandi's, then creating a userpage isn't enough, you also need to create the /sig subpage containing your signature. Follow method #2 here; step 1 will start with clicking the red link above. 12:11, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate your help in this situation. Thanks again! Nintendo Master 22:54, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

What are Link's age variations in Ocarina of Time?
I've been waiting for this answer for a little while now, and if you could answer it, that would be great. --GanonLink76 14:07, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't entirely understand what you mean by "age variations". There is no official information defining Link's age in OoT, but I believe most fans guess "Young" Link to be around 10-12 years old, with "Adult" Link being 7 years older than this. Since there is no official confirmation of an exact age, we haven't included any information regarding this in the article, as any figure chosen would be pure guesswork. 16:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Welcoming Users
I noticed that when a welcome template is placed on someone's talk page, it says it's from "The Zelda Wiki.org Staff". So can non admins still welcome users or can only staff do that now?--Link hero of light 01:19, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Anyone can do it. It just links you to a list of people who can basically help new users out. I was surprised to see the change, also. 19:49, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

new page
how do you make a new page i want to do one on reading the clocks in clock town?


 * Just search a title for the page and click to make the new page. ;) 23:50, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Additional help is available here. Please be sure that the subject is valid and notable before creating a page, to ensure that it doesn't risk deletion. 12:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Which is Better?
ummm is zeldapedia better than zelda wiki or is vice-versa! im soooo confused! User:The-Gman! 20:49, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Zeldapedia is a wikia website, which has some variations from Zelda Wiki, which is a wiki site. I believe that this website has many more articles, and from what I've seen, they're better written. Of course, I'd prefer to stick with the site I'm a part of, but taking an unbiased look, I'd say that this site comes out ahead. I'm pretty sure that this site is growing at a quicker pace, too. 21:16, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

A question
I was wondering how you can make theory warning and spoiler warning, things like that.


 * Type  onto the page. On a side note, when you see people's name on a page type ~ after your comments/questions.  00:01, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Gallery
I can't figure out how to get new galleries or gallery sections to work right. Help!Ganondox 00:53, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * That should get it to work. 03:08, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That should get it to work. 03:08, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Coyping content from Zeldapedia
Hey guys. An editor on Zeldapedia as recently notified me that some users are copying content from Zeldapedia to Zelda Wiki. While I personnaly do not have a problem with this, the main issue is that Zelda Wiki is licensed under the GFDL while Zeldapedia is licensed under the CC-BY-CA. These two licenses are incompatible with eachother, meaning you cannot copy content from a sole CC-BY-SA wiki and paste it on a sole GFDL wiki and vice versa. Also, doing this is basically making the two wikis duplicates of each other, which makes it pointless on having two seperate The Legend of Zelda wikis as they'll both have the same content. Anyway, if the community could please stop copying content from Zeldapedia, largely because of incompatible licenses? Please and thanks. And if you guys see stuff being copied from Zelda Wiki over to Zeldapedia, feel free to e-mail me about the issue and I'll let the community know on Zeldapedia.--Richard 18:19, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Prove it's happening to us, I often check both when someone pastes a large amount of text to an article. I've never seen it being done. But since you brought it up. We have noticed more than one instance of copying from the other end. Some admins here can point out which images were uploaded here, and turned up there. 18:25, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm putting my two rupees here, also. First and foremost, this appears to be a huge misunderstanding, and on a second note, we're also aware that your site has copied images from here. Even if this was what happened, the article has been re-modified, leaving Zeldapedia still with our images. 19:26, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Zelda Wiki.org Canon Policy
Seeing the expansion of the Tingle spinoffs, ready availability of the CDi Roms, scant information on canceled Zelda titles, disputes with the Japanese translations, etc and so on. It's becoming more of an issue that ZW has no clearly outlined Canon policy. To me, Canon goes:
 * Nintendo Zelda Title(in game stuff)> Manuals>Stategy guides(useful for finding names)>Magazine articles>Nintendo Website content(excepting Zelda.com)
 * Noncanon:Cdi games, comics, manga, books,
 * Canon until there's a conflict: Capcom LoZ titles, Flagship LoZ titles> Spinoff titles
 * Language English (American Spellings)-English (British Names-for titles not released in USA)-Japanese

Now, on the language thing. I know Timeline theorists and all are going to disagree, but we aren't going to change the entire wiki to pander to specialized interests. This policy was in place long before I even came around and will continue.

The rest however is up to debate and general consensus. 23:30, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I partially agree/disagree. I think there's no question about the Capcom games. They had Nintendo involvement, whereas the CD-i games did not. As for the Mangas, Nintendo has stated that they are simply to add on to the story and fun, and are not part of the canon. If I recall correctly, we decided that the Valiant comics are "Ambiguously Canon", something that other wikis have done with questionable topics. I'm currently working on a banner for that. Now remind me- what games were Flagship again? *I have a cold and it's kinda hard to think straight* 18:09, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What about cases in which the English translators messed up? I know it doesn't happen often, but the original American manual for ALttP contradicts OoT in several places, and there was one line in the American version of TP that said that the Oocca created the Hylians, when that contradicts the creation story set forth in both ALttP and OoT. The Japanese version just says that they created Hyrule (the kingdom).

And the Capcom games seem to be considered canon by Nintendo. Maybe we can divide this into: Flagship games: All 14 currently-released Legend of Zelda titles. Spin-off titles: Tingle games Tetra's Trackers Ancient Stone Tablets Game and Watch Link's Crossbow Training Non-canon games: CD-i games Ganondorfdude11 18:42, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Templates
I was just wondering if there is a way to move a template to the left side of a page in order to balance the page? I was going to add charecter templates to all the charecters on The Indigo-Go's page but I felt it would off set the balance of the page by putting all the images on one side in the templates. Thanks. 14:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)