Zelda Wiki:Discussion Center

Logo Design
Hi I had just recently found out about your logo design contest on your DeviantArt page, and was just curious as to when the due date is for it, or if it has already passed. I have been looking everywhere for information but couldn't seem to find anything. --UniqSchweick12 10:37, 25 March 2011 (EDT)

Glitch
I was wondering if anyone here knew how to edit the wiki to get user pages back as mine and many of the ones I have tried to go to come up in an error message saying some coding is missing Theif 1 01:32, 31 May 2011 (EDT)


 * Your question has already been answered on this page. Basically, we're in the middle of moving to a faster server, and some of our code required to view userpages was moved. You can still access and edit your page by clicking on [/index.php?title=User:Theif_1&action=edit this link] . To access somebody else's page, just change the name in the URL 07:32, 31 May 2011 (EDT)

500 Internal Server Error
I can't imagine that I would be the only one getting this message, but I'm having a problem uploading new images to the site. I'm sure the site moving to a faster server is the cause (or something around that), but it asked me to inform someone. The message reads:


 * The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
 * Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@zeldawiki.org and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
 * More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
 * Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Yes, I have tried to e-mail webmaster, but the e-mail failed permanently... So i'm hoping the right people see this post. :) 20:20, 31 May 2011 (AST)


 * You're certainly not the only person to be having this problem. I've run into it myself. It seems to happen more often with uploading new versions of images. I'm sure our server people are going to try to figure it out, along with other problems we're having. 02:36, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

ReAsked: How do you make user boxes?
Im asking a common question, and this is a pretty tough thing for me to find. Im just wondering on how to make those userboxes?-=AngryMaskSalesman=- 11:16, 18 June 2011 (EDT)


 * You can use this template to create a userbox quickly. If you don't know what to do, you can copy one of the examples and build on it. If you have trouble picking colors, you can use online tools like this and this. Just copy the code, and make sure you put a "#" before them. (eg. #AF043D)  16:55, 22 June 2011 (EDT)

Ads?
Why aren't there any ads on this wiki? You guys could be raking in the dough right now if there were ads on it, especially with the release of OoT 3D. Jus' sayin... Sean 15:59, 22 June 2011 (EDT)
 * Not to speak in behalf of the staff, but as I take it, this is a non-profit collaborative effort by Zelda fans and a community centered around a common interest. Making a profit isn't necessary nor what it's really about. Frankly, I'd say we're set apart from the likes of Wikia in the sense that we don't sell out, and that's something to take pride in. 16:31, 22 June 2011 (EDT)


 * I remember we did have some advertising. It's that green text you sometimes see in articles. It's not too invasive and generates a modest revenue, enough to keep the wiki running. Other than that, I agree with Pakkun. Besides, I don't think Nintendo would like it if we were making tons of money off their franchise :P 16:55, 22 June 2011 (EDT)
 * They were common during the second half of 2010, but afterwards I've not seen again. -- 17:17, 22 June 2011 (EDT)
 * But still, Bulbapedia makes a huge revenue and no one stops them and no ones mad that they aren't in on it Sean 21:33, 22 June 2011 (EDT)
 * I don't know the specifics, but I'd say their servers have a lot more strain that Zelda Wiki's. They have to support all of Bulbagarden, not just Bulbapedia, which includes the highly active forums. It all goes into the site, and any leftover money is used for giveaways during December, so they don't pocket any cash. 22:03, 22 June 2011 (EDT)

Old pages?
Several of the earliest pages I edited (during the worst of the server spottiness) are still showing old versions, e.g., Gossip Stone, where my edits and a subsequent one by K2L all on July 1 appear in the history, but the active version of the page is from June 27. The next/prev diffs are all funky too. Also affecting Vision, and Sheikah Stone, though the latter seems resolved now, first the page and now the history as well are back in order. --ALegendGuy 12:51, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
 * Hmm, while no reply has been provided, I see the examples I mentioned have been taken care of... so: the issue also applies to Them, and when I decided on exploring Recent Changes back to that date, I discovered that affected edits don’t show up in Recent Changes or watchlists! Ugh.
 * So instead, I looked at new users from around that period... ,ost of whom made no edits at the time and thus were not affected... and finally I checked K2L’s other edit around that time, and confirmed that the issue also affected Dead Hand, but because the affected edits were a trivia edit and its reversion, you can only see this by looking at the messed up history( the last edit is this, yet the diff still has a Newer edit link which falsely places an old edit after it( however, as I noted, K2L’s edit is a revert, so the content is identical and only someone checking the history and knowing what to look for would notice). A more obvious example is Majora's Mask (Boss), at which, like the other pages I have listed, the last edit is not reflected in the version of the page currently displaying. I’m sure I could find more if I had the energy.
 * The upshot of all this is: The pages I have listed are NOT the only ones affected, but because they don’t show up in the changelists, I can’t figure out an efficient way to identify changes. The only method would seem to be looking through every user’s contributions to see what, if any, edits they made at that time, which isn’t practical. And this DOES matter because on affected pages, the Edit link causes the user to edit the OLD version of the page, but does not bring up the warning about editing an old revision. Thus, any affected edits will be lost the next time a well-meaning user edits the page normally. --ALegendGuy 20:29, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

Zelda Wiki community pages
I want to rework the community pages. In summary:
 * 1) Define each page's function clearly with a small sentence at the top. No small talk.
 * 2) Either do something with Castle Town(CT) or dump it
 * 3) Rename Hyrule Castle(HC), The Heart Container(THC) and Pieces of Heart(POH), giving them names related to their functions and with more distinct acronyms
 * 4) Move THC to its own page (it's CT's talk page. Seriously) (done)
 * 5) Merge the Main Page's talk page with HC (how we merge the archives will be discussed later)
 * 6) Remove talk pages for our community pages (anything wrong with the pages should be handled at HC) (done)
 * 7) Protect redirected community pages, so we don't get more of this (not the first time to happen)

I'm thinking of changing HC to "Feedback Center", THC to "Help Desk" and POH to "Archives". Maybe abandon POH altogether and add the archives to HC and THC separately. Please share your opinions on any or all the points above. If something doesn't make sense, please ask. I'd be happy to explain my suggestions. 16:09, 9 July 2011 (EDT)


 * I agree.
 * What can be done, though? No one complains about the Sandbox having a talk page, and if anything it serves as an extra space for people to practice. Analog function here.
 * NO! They're signature names that reminds us that this is a Zelda site by and for the community.
 * Then why did you suggest the second thing? If it's meant to have a different function, then I'd agree.
 * mmmm, I don't know what to say here.
 * Again, why the sandbox page gets special treat here?
 * I agree.
 * See ya around!-- 19:26, 9 July 2011 (EDT)
 * I have been thinking and, in regards of 2 and 4, the idea of putting THC into its own page and establishing a more distinct function would work. So that's what I would support. In regards of merging the main Page's Talk, what if we merge the talk pages of the communities with the MP's? -- 21:03, 9 July 2011 (EDT)


 * 2. I never said anything about talk pages. Anyways, it looks like Steve has something cooking
 * 3. They're unique, but also confusing. I still can't figure out what each is for, so I can't expect others to be able to.
 * 6. The sandbox is for training purposes, and so is its talk page. It is not meant to improve the wiki or our articles, only refine our editors skills. If you want, we can make one or two other sandbox pages with no talk pages. It's no problem, really.
 * Regarding your latest comment: And then have two pages (MP's talk page and HC) with the same function? I say merge all the pages discussing improvements to the wiki in HC.
 * I like your criticism! Please come back with more! 06:15, 10 July 2011 (EDT)
 * My apologies, I confused Castle Town with Heart Container, how embarrasing =P. As for the Community pages' names, what if subtitles were added to the leading images (they do that currently, they're just not clear enough). -- 13:23, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

Redefining the purposes of Hyrule Castle and The Heart Container
Alright, so now that The Heart Container has its own page, I think it's time we settle this: we need to make the distinction between Hyrule Castle and The Heart Container very clear to our editors and visitors. Abdul had brought this up a while ago here, but we never came to a conclusion, and I think it's about time we did. I, an admin myself, don't even know what the difference between these two pages are, so I can only imagine how confusing it must be to new members. By looking at the archives of both the Heart Container and Hyrule Castle, you can't tell what's going on: we have requests, massive wiki changes, and simple questions in BOTH of these pages. Now that I think about it, the acronyms are almost exactly the same (HC and THC), so maybe we should think about changing the name of one (or both) of these pages to further reduce the confusion. Zelda-related, of course. So, what can we do to make the distinction between these two obvious?

Now, to start this off, the introduction at the Heart Container says this:

''Here at The Heart Container users can ask a different user to do a small task on the wiki, that you can not do. Here's an example: "Can somebody clean up picture X?" To post a problem just click the plus (+) symbol next to the "edit" tab on the top of the screen. If you want to take on a problem, simply edit one of the exiting problems and make your response into a reply by adding ":" (without quotes, and an extra colon for each reply) onto the beginning of your text.''

...which...doesn't really say much. It's practically meant as a hub to ask small requests, but the example it gives is rather horrible. "Can somebody clean up picture X" can simply be posted in said image's talk page, or even the Image Requests page, so that example, to me, is outdated and not useful at all. However, the Heart Containers subtitle-thingy says: "Zelda Wiki.org's community discussion and problem center." Which is what I think it SHOULD be (minus the "problem center" part, but I'll get to that in just a bit).

Here's what I think: The Heart Container should be a page for discussing large, upcoming wiki projects, changes that should be made to the wiki, and new implementations to the wiki (such as the nav templates with tabs that was implemented not long ago). Allow me to give some examples right from the archives of both THC and HC. The Heart Container would cover topics such as:


 * 1) TWW Nintendo Gallery Project (THC3)
 * 2) Japanese Standardization (THC3)
 * 3) Comprehensive Soundtrack List (HC9)
 * 4) What to do with Delimiters (Parenthetical descriptors) (HC9)
 * 5) Control Schemes (HC9)
 * 6) New discussion system (HC9)
 * 7) Name Change: Keep "Zelda Wiki.org" or Become Simply "Zelda Wiki" (THC3)
 * 8) Put at the top of the page (along with the "This Wiki Contains Spoilers" that link templates exist) (THC3)
 * 9) Items template (HC9)
 * 10) Rings in the Oracle Series (THC2)
 * 11) This current proposal of overhauling our community pages would also go in The Heart Container

...you get the idea (I hope!). Basically, any big projects that cannot be discussed on a certain article's talk page. Think of this as the place where active editors, admins, and patrollers go to and see if there are any new ideas proposed to the wiki so that they can comment on them and such.

So now, what about Hyrule Castle? Hyrule Castle, in my opinion, should cover topics such as miscellaneous questions that users might have to the staff, pointing out problems that users might be having with the wiki (can't get a page to load, don't know how to upload an image, etc.), feedback, and userbox/signature requests . In all, it would be a place where new members can get their questions resolved by more experienced editors. Having trouble getting a template to work correctly? Post it in HC. Having trouble uploading a new version of an image? Post it in HC. Need help with making your userpage awesome? Post it in HC.

Any changes that will be made will mean that we'll need to rewrite the introductory paragraph in both The Heart Container and Hyrule Castle to make these changes clear to the editors.

TL;DR version:
 * 1) Possibly change the name(s) of The Heart Container and/or Hyrule Castle so they won't have almost the same acronyms (thus reduce further confusion).
 * 2) Update the introductory paragraphs to THC and HC to reflect these changes and so users will know if their question/proposal is being posted in the correct place.
 * 3) Make The Heart Container all about the active editors: a place where new ideas to make the wiki better can be posted as well as any other proposals/changes.
 * 4) Make Hyrule Castle all about the new editors: a place where they can get their questions/problems resolved rather quickly and where they can give feedback to the staff members.

So, what do you guys think? Like this idea? Hate it? What changes do you guys propose? Comment away!!! --Dany36 16:23, 14 July 2011 (EDT)


 * Keep one at "Hyrule Castle", call the other "Castle Town". Hyrule Castle would be the more official one so that'd be for technical problems, and official wiki questions and that like the name change thing. Castle Town would be the new member and help thing. Expand the headers to define the purposes. Move the archives to actual structured archive pages instead of their own page. Some of this is from input of others, so I'm kind of relaying information. But I think it's a good idea. 21:02, July 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * I really like those divisions. How we summarize them and introduce them to users is the problem now. 02:47, 15 July 2011 (EDT)


 * Yeah. Cip is really good at writing that kind of stuff, but since he isn't here at the moment (I forget when he's coming back... :, I guess I could begin to rewrite the introductory paragraphs to Hyrule Castle and The Heart Container and see what you guys think. --Dany36 11:11, 15 July 2011 (EDT)


 * Well, I rewrote the intro paragraphs to both Hyrule Castle and The Heart Container. Check it out here. Any suggestions are welcomed! --Dany36 02:20, 17 July 2011 (EDT)

What to do with the current Castle Town project page?
Some users suggested that we simply dump it. I initially agreed on that, but upon looking at this, I think I've changed my mind! If we can simply expand on what Steve was working on, then it should be fine (Steve has gone MIA again as far as I know, so I hope he wouldn't mind if we kind of took over? :P ). It's kind of cool that new users can have a hub where they can check out how they can get involved in helping the wiki out (working on stubs, articles that need attention, getting involved in projects, etc.), as well as seeing what else the wiki has to offer (YouTube page, NIWA, etc.)

I'm not too good with advanced coding, so all I can do is provide ideas on how we can improve upon Steve's Castle Town idea. This of course means that we will have to stick with the name of Castle Town and decide another name for the current Hyrule Castle page (see discussion below).

So, are we going to keep the Castle Town project page and improve it? Get rid of it? Leave it as is? -- Dany36 17:41, 14 July 2011 (EDT)


 * In my opinion, the place is, or it has a potential to be useful. It is, or it should be serving as the starting place for newer users to know what to do, with directions to the Help Guide and Hyrule Castle for specific questions, and also a place that helps all kinds of users get involved or pick a task, with directions to the Image Request, Heart Container, and a To-do list. All it needs is a bit of cleaning, re-organizing, and some additions and subtractions to be perfectly useful. 07:44, 16 July 2011 (EDT)


 * I agree completely. :D I guess I didn't see the potential before because our current Castle Town page is...well...lacking, but like I said, improving upon Steve's Castle Town idea should make the place way more useful for new users than it is right now. Dany36 10:52, 16 July 2011 (EDT)

Name Changes
As Matt mentioned above me, we are thinking of changing the names of Hyrule Castle and The Heart Container to reflect the ideas I mentioned in the previous subsection. So far, the suggestions have been:


 * Change Hyrule Castle to Castle Town (or Castle Town Square)
 * This could be a problem if we decide to stick with the current Castle Town page. If we are planning on keeping it, I suggest Hyrule Castle be renamed to something like Telma's Bar, Milk Bar, Cafe Bar...something along those lines. Castle Town is the hub of all community pages, while a bar (or whatever we choose) is a specific place where folks go to talk about whatever and stuff like that. Anyway, I know it might seem kind of lame, but hey, I'm just throwing ideas!! :P


 * Change The Heart Container to Hyrule Castle (or any other high-ranking place)
 * Other suggestions I can think of or Chamber of Sages, Sacred Grove (awesomesecret place for users to talk about awesomesecret projects?!), Temple of Light etc... Again, just coming up with whatever else I can think of.

Like Abdul had mentioned in the Skype chat, this is to show that (and I quote) "Town Square is for the small things new users ask, while the higher-rank one is for big projects and ideas." Don't like the name suggestions? Then feel free to throw in any new ones! -- Dany36 17:41, 14 July 2011 (EDT)


 * I really like Milk Bar. We want to stay general with the names so we can always stay current and prevent alienating members who haven't played the game. Plus milk is a staple in the Legend of Zelda! Nothing sticks out with the second one, though. Hyrule Castle would do. By the way, what will happen to Pieces of Heart? I assume it would also get a name change. I'm thinking Door of Time or Temple of Time, because you can see all the archived stuff we did in the past. 02:47, 15 July 2011 (EDT)


 * Ohhh I had forgotten about Pieces of Heart. I'm leaning towards Door of Time because of what it did in TP, though. XD We'll eventually have to vote on the new names, so keep those suggestions coming! --Dany36 11:11, 15 July 2011 (EDT)


 * In my opinion, Castle Town should stay with some reworking, and should also keep its name. The name "Castle Town" gives me the impression that it houses/leads to other places, just like the ones in the game which leads to places like Hyrule Castle, and houses places like bars, shops, and all that. So the name should stay.
 * Hyrule Castle can also keep its name, because once again, it's kind of fitting. But The Heart Container should be changed to something else, possibly to the name of one of the many pubs/bars/taverns, or even inns and other places from the game. Some examples are Cafe Bar, Mercay Tavern, Mama's Cafe, and even other places like Happy Hearth Inn.
 * Pieces of Heart doesn't even need to stay, as it serves only one purpose. The archives should be separated and added at the top of the respective project's page. For example, Hyrule Castle's archive could be added on it own page at the top. Alternatively, if the first idea is not implemented, all the archives could simply be accessible from Castle Town.
 * One more thing - even if it is completely unrelated, how about renaming the Help Guide to Royal Hyrule Library? 07:50, 16 July 2011 (EDT)


 * I agree on the first point, but as for Hyrule Castle, we're thinking that should be the "bar" kind of place instead of the Heart Container due to the changes in purpose that HC and The Heart Container are going to have, as mentioned here. So Hyrule Castle, meant for new members to get their questions quickly resolved, will become the "bar" place, while the Heart Container, meant for active editors to discuss wiki projects, will become Hyrule Castle. I like the Royal Hyrule Library idea, though! -- Dany36 10:57, 16 July 2011 (EDT)

Other Issues
First of all, I'd like to say how wonderful it is that we're finally doing something about these Community Pages. Thank God for being a progressive Wiki! All these ideas sound wonderful. I like the idea of keeping Castle Town and revamping it, having Hyrule Castle for the important issues, Milk Bar for what is currently Hyrule Castle, and Door of Time of the archives. That seems to be the general consensus so far anyway.

Now, Abdul brought this up on Skype a while back: What do we do with the Main Talk Page? Everything there belongs in either the soon-to-be "Milk Bar" (or whatever we end up naming it) or "Hyrule Castle"—the new one, not the current. Shouldn't we then merge the main talk page into the two community pages? The Main discussion page seems to be the place where people go when they don't know where else to go. In that case, couldn't we make some kind of disambiguation page out of it to help direct users to the proper community page? Either that or get rid of it entirely and advertise the community pages more.

Also, if we're going to give the archives a new name and structured pages as Matt mentioned, shouldn't we clean them up as well? I think they could be organized a bit better, especially if we're to merge the main discussion page, which has archives of its own. I guess what I mean by organizing is moving sections from one community page archive to another where it belongs (while still keeping them in chronological order, of course) and making all the different archives more or less uniform in size. Maybe that's in part what Matt meant; I don't fully understand what having "structured archive pages" entails.

Just some more things to think about moving forward. 14:52, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

One other thing: This community page reform is going to require a new set of banners and at least a few new logos. 15:02, 20 July 2011 (EDT)


 * I agree about setting the Main Page's talk page as a disambiguation link to both the Milk Bar and Hyrule Castle. We'll have to lock the page, of course. :P Dany36 10:20, 22 July 2011 (EDT)


 * I agree with the idea of linking to the "Milk Bar" from the Main Page's talk page, because that is where people would go for asking for help and asking most questions about the wiki itself. However, I was wondering if nobody thought the idea of adding the archives of Hyrule Castle and Milk Bar to their own pages is a good idea, because I've seen it in talk pages, and it works nicely there. Then the Pieces of Heart section wouldn't even be needed. Just wanting opinions... 22:15, 22 July 2011 (EDT)


 * Hmmm...you mean, having the archives in its talk page like we do for normal articles? I think it'd be best to just keep the archives separate, otherwise we might have some people posting their question/comment in the talk page rather than the project page itself. :c Dany36 21:52, 24 July 2011 (EDT)

POLL TIMES!!! Deciding on New Names
Since most people seem to agree on the changes, we need to get decide on the new names for the current Hyrule Castle and The Heart Container. Although most people agree that The Heart Container should be Hyrule Castle, the new name for Hyrule Castle hasn't really been decided yet. So here we go!

''Sign (using ) next to the name that you prefer. If the name that you prefer isn't listed, feel free to add it. Please be aware of the new functions that these pages will have so that you may choose the appropriate name (see above for page functions). Poll will end on July 27, 2011.'' --Dany36 14:37, 22 July 2011 (EDT)

POLL IS OVER! The new names will be:, ,  --Dany36 10:37, 27 July 2011 (EDT)

New Name for Hyrule Castle:
 * Cafe Bar
 * Milk Bar - Dany36, Ekim, AtrumLevis,, ,
 * Mercay Tavern
 * Mama's Cafe
 * Telma's Bar -

New Name for The Heart Container:
 * Hyrule Castle - Dany36,, AtrumLevis, , ,
 * Chamber of Sages - Ekim
 * Temple of Light
 * Sacred Grove -

New Name for Pieces of Heart:
 * Temple of Time - AtrumLevis,
 * Door of Time - Dany36, Ekim,, ,

New User
Ok this is my first post so im just gunna be doing some stuff about zelda on this so if you want just stay tuned um ya so to start lets talk about zelda stuff like sheik. God sheik is so annoying he just teaches you songs in OOT and is all like. "Use this song to get back here because your incapable of doing it your self so ya see you later." than flashes and is gone lol wut. well thats the end of my first post
 * Oookay, .... but can you take this comment to a forum, please? This page is meant to discuss things related to the wiki itself. Also, remember to sign. -- 00:55, 12 July 2011 (EDT)

Yea, essentially to echo K2L: take this to a forum. If you wanna check out some good forums, check out our Mastermind Affiliates, they have a lot of forum sections where you can discuss such topics, thanks! 10:24, 23 July 2011 (EDT)

Masterminds RSS
Hey all I was check out the front page and releazed the mastermind RSS feed doesn't Work. a fix would be great. Jrmet1999 00:02, 19 July 2011 (EDT)


 * This issue deals with an external RSS service. The only ones who have access to it are ZU and ZI webmasters, I think. So we can't do a thing about it unless they do so. Sorry. 22:38, 22 July 2011 (EDT)

Comparison gudeline suggestion
I know there are other pending discussions, and admittedly more important than this one, I simply try to present what would become a major problem in the future if it's not handled in time. Lately, there has been some controversy regarding game comparisons. What I mean by this is that, in the Trivia sections of some articles (or, until recently, even in the lead text itself!), there are certain comparisons that are either unclear, unjustified, or simply put upside down (literally, more on this later). Suppose, for example, that I'm editing the Sand Temple page. Currently, the page makes a brief comparison to Mutoh's Temple, mostly in regards of the shape, structure and design of both of them. No problems here, the comparison is indeed interesting. But now look at this edit to the Desert Palace page, it's unacceptable. It's saying that Desert Palace is very similar to Stone Tower Temple, which is false. Desert Palace is from ALTTP, which came in 1992, exactly 8.5 years before MM came with its Stone Tower Temple. Another example comes from the Forest Temple article, where the music of the dungeon is compared to that of City in the Sky (never mind that OOT came in '98, and TP in '06). As petty as this seems (or even is), it's becoming so common that it's getting out of hand. Right now I'll edit those pages, hoping that no more of this continues happening. -- 19:03, 23 July 2011 (EDT)


 * I don't quite follow you here, K2L. Just because ALTTP comes before MM doesn't make the similarity between the two dungeons any less real, no? Same goes for your other example. There's a difference between something being based on another thing and something resembling something else. By saying that the Desert Palace is similar to the Stone Tower Temple, we aren't automatically implying that it was based on the Stone Tower Temple, which is obviously impossible, but rather the opposite, which is quite possible; although the similarity could be coincidental, which is why we say they look like each other and leave it at that.


 * Besides that, though, you are quite right; people do tend to make rather far-fetched comparisons. The addition of that kind of trivia is something that relies entirely on the contributor's sense of judgement. Because of that, there's not much we could do to prevent these things from happening. It's a case by case thing. We just have to deal with them as we go along. 11:33, 24 July 2011 (EDT)
 * Check the diffs I indicated, notice that the articles used to say "The Desert Palace is similar to Stone Tower Temple because of ..... ", which is illogical since the Desert Palace didn't borrow anything from a dungeon that appears in a game that hadn't been released yet! That's what I mean, same for what was written on Goron Mines, the article said that its music was "similar to that of Snowpeak Ruins", which is incorrect since Goron Mines appears first, and therefore it's Snowpeak Ruins that borrows the music from Goron Mines. -- 14:59, 24 July 2011 (EDT)
 * To clarify, one thing cannot be similar to another if it comes first. I cannot say that Groundhog Day is similar to Majora's Mask due to the concept of time looping because it came first, the comparisons are only valid from the future to the past, not the other way around. -- 15:02, 24 July 2011 (EDT)

Merging
Yeah, can someone explain to me in detail how to merge a page. I checked the merging page and that really didn't help much. Could someone just give me an actual template with just the things taken out. Also, please explain things in the template such as what is a namespace and what is the pagename. Giant X 00:11, 8 August 2011 (EDT)
 * Here you can find the details =). -- 19:49, 8 August 2011 (EDT)
 * But you said that the page wasn't clear enough, right? Merging is ust the same as moving pages, with the addition of info from articles that are to be redirected to the mother page. That is, cut and paste the info from the pertinent articles to the central page, and then just redirect the pages to be merged. Use the #REDIRECT Page name for that. -- 19:58, 8 August 2011 (EDT)

Deleting Account
Hi there, does anyone know how to delete your account on here? I feel like I'm a threat because my computer often crashes while I edit on here and in result, blanks the page I'm editing. I usually just restore the page but I have decided that it's best if I just delete my account because NOW when my computer crashes it blanks pages I was just on. --HyperLink12 14:47, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
 * You don't have to get rid of your account. The problem is within your computer. You can either find a way to fix it, or use a new computer. -- 17:05, 11 August 2011 (EDT)

Forums
Where are the forums,I asked a question that apparently belongs in the forums. I'm new to this Wiki (but not Legend of Zelda). Is Hyrule Castle a forum? What about the Heart Container. Thank you for your time. Linkmaster64 9:42 August 28 2011 (EDT)
 * Left of your screen is a sidebar. Look carefully for the "Masterminds". Click to view a list of Zelda sites affiliated with this wiki, all of which have forums where you can ask for any questions you want answered. Good luck! -- 10:50, 28 August 2011 (EDT)

Races
I have noticed the lack of professionalism in the 'Races' category, however, I am unable to edit it. I noticed that someone, thinking it was funny, added an article known as User:Ember Incubus/Projects/SM/Fomors or http://www.zeldawiki.org/User:Ember_Incubus/Projects/SM/Fomors. Also, the races Mage and Dog should be removed. I would appreciate it if someone would fix this. Thank you! GerudoValley 9:21, 6 September 2011


 * GerudoValley, the reason why those pages were added to the Race category is because the Species Infobox Template used on them automatically adds pages to the "Race" category.


 * Come to think of it, that's quite contradictory. Perhaps we should consider the creation of a "Species" category? 08:26, 7 September 2011 (EDT)

Errors and Oddities
We've just upgraded to a new version of MediaWiki and moved to a new server, so these things are bound to go wrong. If you notice anything that doesn't look right, and it isn't on the list below, please report it here. 03:36, 24 September 2011 (EDT)

Known issues
 * Imagemap/SVG/XML-related things do not work
 * Uploading a new version results in errors (solution: Check the "Ignore any warnings" box and submit)
 * Must type in the destination name manually
 * Revision diff colors (Is this still an issue?)

Fixed
 * Lag
 * "Next 200" articles in Category namespace
 * Some behind-the-scenes stuff
 * Max filesize is 2MB (increased to 20MB)
 * Javascript edit buttons (bold, italics, etc) do not work
 * Edit tools under the edit space (eg. The Legend of Zelda ) only work on certain pages, like the upload page

Looking around, it seems that most of the tags aren't working. Some of the infoboxes are also out of commission, it seems. See the Malon page for an example. BrandedOne 12:31, 24 September 2011 (EDT)


 * I not sure if it's the new server but I'm noticing some severe lag time on.......just about everything. Also none of the editing buttons (like the bold and signature buttons) aren't working. => This had to be done by hand Heroofstuff 14:51, 24 September 2011 (EDT)


 * Trying to upload a new version of an existing file is impossible right now. After giving a warning page asking if you want to replace the old file, it gives this message "The file you uploaded seems to be empty. This might be due to a typo in the file name. Please check whether you really want to upload this file." and nothing changes. Also, yeah, the site is PAINFULLY slow. Did the site get moved to a server thats actually slower? The site is going to get destroyed if this isn't changed, as that is by far the biggest issue. Fizzle 10:52, 26 September 2011 (EDT)
 * Unfortunately, these server "upgrades" (which started occuring since June) have brought nothing but annoyance and hindrance. I have yet to see one single benefit from all of this fiasco, and chances are that whoever is behind all of this is not done yet. -- 12:11, 26 September 2011 (EDT)
 * Things seem a LOT faster today, whether this is temporary or not I don't know (America is asleep right now so I can't tell), but lets hope it stays this way. I also managed to fix an image by selecting "Ignore any warnings". Success! Fizzle 06:52, 27 September 2011 (EDT)

I believe the news feed is trying to get its information from Wikirby. (7:39 EST, sept. 27)

It seems the imagemap extension is not functioning. Miles ( talk)  14:08, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
 * This is probably the biggest issue right now, its breaking quite a few pages. Fizzle 16:40, 2 October 2011 (EDT)

When I try to access the featured article/picture nomination via the community tab, i receive an error saying: Fatal error: Class 'XMLReader' not found in /home/zeldaw/public_html/includes/media/SVGMetadataExtractor.php on line 52. The "insert" shortcuts while editing don't seem to work for me either. Am I the only one, or is this happening to others? 19:52, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
 * I'm getting the fatal error as well. The exact same one also comes up for Help:Userbox List. Insert shortcuts are working fine for me, though... I'm encountering another odd error, however, which is preventing me from seeing the next group of entries of a category with more than 200 pages (it simply takes me to the exact same page again that I'm already on when I click "next 200").--Vellidragon 15:29, 1 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Well, when I click the insert shortcut (ex. " ~ "), it just brings me to the top of the page without inserting the character, whereas it worked before. (By insert shortcuts, I mean the ones below the "save page," "show preview," etc.) 13:45, 2 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Insert shortcuts only seem to work on certain pages, like when uploading a file, but not on most pages, unusually. Fizzle 16:40, 2 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Insert shortcuts are working again for me. 16:31, 5 October 2011 (EDT)
 * You can thank Abdullah for that. ;) 16:39, 5 October 2011 (EDT)

New issue: while trying to upload a file (.ogg format), I get an error: '' SpecialUpload::processVerificationError: Unknown value `12` Backtrace:
 * 1) 0 /home/zeldaw/public_html/extensions/SpecialUpload/SpecialUpload.php(412): SpecialUpload->processVerificationError(Array)
 * 2) 1 /home/zeldaw/public_html/extensions/SpecialUpload/SpecialUpload.php(174): SpecialUpload->processUpload
 * 3) 2 /home/zeldaw/public_html/includes/SpecialPage.php(578): SpecialUpload->execute(NULL)
 * 4) 3 /home/zeldaw/public_html/includes/Wiki.php(251): SpecialPage::executePath(Object(Title))
 * 5) 4 /home/zeldaw/public_html/includes/Wiki.php(63): MediaWiki->handleSpecialCases(Object(Title), Object(OutputPage), Object(WebRequest))
 * 6) 5 /home/zeldaw/public_html/index.php(114): MediaWiki->performRequestForTitle(Object(Title), NULL, Object(OutputPage), Object(User), Object(WebRequest))
 * 7) 6 {main} ''

I'm stumped. 16:37, 2 October 2011 (EDT)

Found the problem, file size was too big. 16:48, 2 October 2011 (EDT)


 * It seems as though the maximum file size has dropped to only 2 MB again. That is something that will have to be fixed. 07:18, 3 October 2011 (EDT)


 * I raised the limit to 20MB. Please try it again. 09:14, 4 October 2011 (EDT)


 * Thanks a bunch! 16:50, 5 October 2011 (EDT)

Starting at the Explosive Barrel Section, the Barrel page is, well, messed up. The content area disappears and the text is black, and it takes up the whole screen. Take a look for yourself. I don't know how to fix it. 11:08, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Fixed, it was caused by the image template, another consequence of the imagemap extension still being broken. :( Dany36 11:23, 8 October 2011 (EDT)

Bad link?( Note: Not bad Link.)
The link( in the text) to add issues to Zelda Wiki:Hyrule Castle points here( Zelda Wiki.org:Hyrule Castle) instead when adding a new section, which I noticed because I watched this page after adding my issue, and saw someone had undone my edit but posted the content back there... Looks like it was missed during this text replace. I would fix it, but I’m too new and thus not in an appropriate permissions group to edit Template:Hyrule Castle. --ALegendGuy 19:11, 7 July 2011 (EDT)


 * Thanks for that. It took us a while to locate the problem due to the nature of links and redirects. 10:46, 9 October 2011 (EDT)

How do I add things to the pages?
While I was playing The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time Master Quest, I found a glitch in the game that was not mentioned yet. Am I allowed to add it to the The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time Master Quest Glitches section?

--Like like 23:01, 8 October 2011 (EDT)Like like, 10/8/11, 7:57 PM


 * By all means, please do so! 10:46, 9 October 2011 (EDT)

Moving pages?
I'm attempting to move Pickit Plant to Pikit, which is the correct name for the article, but I've run into a snag. I've never moved a page before, so I'm not sure what the rules are, and when I looked on the Help:Moving Pages section, it says, If there are no objections, click this button, and you'll be taken to the move screen. But... what button? There is no button I can find to move pages. I am lost. I'm pretty sure this isn't because there's already a redirect page, because I'm having the same issue with Lizard, I think I'm just missing or failing to spot an option somewhere. Not only that, but it also says not to copy and paste pages over. Can only admins move pages? I'm not sure how to get this done. There are a LOT of misnamed ALttP enemies sitting on fanon names at the moment, and I would be happy to put the effort in making these obscure pages nicer and move them to their correct names, but I'm stumped. Fizzle 09:10, 9 October 2011 (EDT)


 * The help page has been updated. It should answer most of your question, but if you still have concerns, don't hesitate to ask. 10:46, 9 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Looks like I just need to make more edits first, thats a lot of help though, thank you. By the way, it says top-left at the moment, but the option is on the top-right, correct? Thanks for the help! Fizzle 14:51, 9 October 2011 (EDT)

Enemy pages that need to be moved/merged/split
Ok, so thanks to Fizzle, we have come to the realization that...a lot of pages need to be moved/merged/split either because:


 * 1) the enemies mentioned don't have official English names (that we are using because fansites such as ZD use them)
 * 2) the enemies that are currently in one page are actually different (such as Zazakku in the Daira article)
 * 3) two enemies that seem to be different are actually the same (Whisp is the only one I've seen so far)

And because all of these suggestions are mostly scattered about in different talk pages, Pakkun has done the job for us and gathered all of the ones that need to be moved/merged/split. Easier to keep up with it that way:


 * Merge Cyclops Fish with River Zora or move to Ku (to be determined).
 * Split Hoba or Hover from Water Tektite.
 * Split Hokkubokku from Geldarm.
 * Split Zazakku from Daira.
 * Split Aneru from Rope.
 * Move Lizard to Bazu or Buzz.
 * Move Reaper to Hyu.
 * Move Aqua Beetle to Pirogusu.
 * Move Rhinobird to Kyune.
 * Move Rabbit Fang to Toppo.
 * Move Eye Keese to Chasupa.
 * Move Sentry Eye to Laser Eye.
 * Move Kodongo to Kodondo.
 * Move Cloud to Gibo.
 * Move Tinsuit to Wosu.
 * Merge Whisp with Bubble.
 * Merge Nuranuru with Sluggula.
 * Move Thieves to Thief and move Thief to THIEF (Link) or merge with Link

'''Any other suggestions should be added to this section to keep better track of them. :D'''

I agree to moving/splitting most, if not all, of them. Although for merging and such, I'd have to give it a closer look. Dany36 16:10, 16 October 2011 (EDT)


 * With the exception of that last bullet, we've discussed AT LENGTH the renaming of these enemies. It's time to take action. I think renaming Cyclops Fish to Ku would be a better move. I also prefer Hover over Hoba and Buzz over Bazu, personally, but if people really want the opposite it doesn't really matter to me.
 * I recently gained the ability to move pages, but the only thing stopping me from moving some is the spelling of the page, whether we should use full romanisation with accented lettering (as Pakkun suggested), assumed names (like Slarok) or somewhere inbetween. However, some of them don't even require that much thinking, I recently updated the Eye Keese page and if people are happy I will go and move it to Chasupa right now as it requires no further discussion really. Fizzle 21:03, 16 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Okay, I went ahead and moved Eye Keese to Chasupa. However, its beyond sleep time over here so not much else I can do right this second, so if people wanted to get started, the ones that require pretty much no adjustments are Kodongo to Kodondo, Rabbit Rang to Toppo and Sentry Eye to Laser Eye. As for the others, if you decide to go with assumed names like Slarok, may I suggest Zazak instead of Zazakku, as I'm fairly sure the ku at the end is mostly silent (like with Okutarokku), and Hok Bok or Hokbok (or Hok-Bok) for Hokkubokku, for similar reasons. Fizzle 21:38, 16 October 2011 (EDT)
 * The difference between an enemy like Slarok or Deadrock and the rest is that their names clearly use English loan words (well, Slarok doesn't use any words per se, but still...), so their names mean something when directly translated to English. Names like "Slarok" and "Deadrock" make perfect sense and have meaning, whereas names like "Zazak" and "Hok Bok"... well... don't. It's a tough call, though...
 * Like Pakkun, I don't care much for double-lettering, but I'm not sure using accented characters for page titles is a great idea either. I say we name them how they're named in the list above (simple lettering without the accented characters). 08:13, 17 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Except that arguably, Deadrock should be Deadrok, as rokku is always translated as rok or roc in other enemy names, and I think the name was meant to tie in with Octorok and Slarok (the enemy moves in a very similar manner, although it doesn't spit rocks obviously). I personally really think if we don't use accented names, we should go with Zazak and Hok Bok. If you want my evidence that the is mostly silent, put ザーザック (Zazakku) and ホックボック (Hokkubokku) into Google Translate and listen to the Japanese voice say them and compare with デッドロック (Deddorokku). Note that all these names end on ック (kku) too. So my suggestions are to go with Zazak, Hok Bok, Buzz, and Hova (happy medium between Hoba and Hover). Those names are what I personally would think Nintendo would of translated them as, and if we want to keep Slarok and Deadrock as they are, I would think thats a suitable way of doing things. We would still obviously mention alternate spellings on the pages anyway. Thats my thoughts anyway, let me know what you guys think. I've just moved Kodondo so I'll strike that one off the list. Fizzle 09:23, 17 October 2011 (EDT)


 * All the enemies here that are currently named after their Japanese name keep the original Romaji, without accented characters or double lettering (examples include Guma, Ra, Myu, and Nuranuru). Names are not translated to English UNLESS it's really obvious and these names have meaning in English (Stal, Slime, and, of course, Slarok and Deadrock). Honestly, I don't see why that system has to change. I still stand by the names "Hover", "Buzz", "Zazakku", and "Hokkubokku". And renaming Gaeru to "Geru".
 * In principle, using accented characters in the titles might be a good idea. However, I asked some of the other staff about it and learned that even simple ampersands (&) and apostrophes can mess up internal wiki functions, so that's a no go. We can use them within the article itself, but beyond that... 17:48, 18 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Fair enough, seems good to me, thats what I assumed would be the case but I didn't want to go ahead and do all this and make mistakes. HOWEVER, I'm going to have to really fight with you on Zazak/Zazakku and Hokbok/Hokkubokku. I really think those kus are unnecessary. Hover I'll go with though though, because Hover Boots have the exact same spelling in Japanese. Buzz also sounds good to me, and I'll rename the Gaeru page I created as soon as possible. I just don't see any precedent for keeping those unnecessary kus, whenever any similar name is translated on the wiki they tend to get dropped. Even stuff like Magic Cape is "Majikku Manto", or Fire Rod is "Faia Roddo". I've not see any instance where the kus are actually intended to be pronounced. Its just the way things are written in Japanese, and this is still true for "nonsense" names, such as Hinox as "Hinokkusu", or Tartnuc (the official translation for Darknut in the Japanese manual) and "Tātonakku". Fizzle 18:08, 18 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Funny, just as you posted this I was writing about how I changed my mind about Hokbok and Zazak. It definitely looks better than "Hokkubokku" and "Zazakku". I thought Stal, Slime, Slarok and Deadrock were different than Hokbok and Zazak, but they aren't really. I over-thought that one a little bit. Sorry for wasting for time. 18:39, 18 October 2011 (EDT)
 * I should probably give my input on this before it's too late. On the "rokku" issue, double-consonants indicate a pause in the word. With the inclusion of ッ before consonants in Japanese, it becomes harsher. The best I can describe it is sounding out the word, and then taking an abrupt pause before the next letter. Or, sometimes you pronounce the consonant twice, but only the vowel once, the second time. Take Pocket Monsters, for example. If I recall correctly, it usually comes out sounding like "poket-to monsta".
 * Deadrock and Deadro(c/k) are tricky because there's no phonetic difference. Honestly, either is "accurate", I'm not for assumed names unless it's painfully obvious that it's an English word, like ホーバー being "hover".
 * Now, regarding the silent "u" issue... I meant that rarely would the u in "ku" would be silent. It's commonplace in "su", but only a few times have I heard the u in ku silent when dealing with Japanese media. You might have to consult someone else, but it wouldn't happen so frequently that all relevant enemies fall subject to it, usually only when it is a direct English word. Neither Zazakku and Hokkubokku are English and are just jibberish from what I can tell, and they differ from Deadrock and because both are based on English words. That's just my observation, anyway.  20:41, 18 October 2011 (EDT)
 * I trust your knowledge on this, but I have been hunting and really I haven't managed to find an example where the extra "ku" was kept in the English pronounciation. The only example I have found was Iron Knuckle, which, to be honest, was a heavily assumed name and I don't think "knuckle" was originally the intended name at all, hence why Tartnuc just became Darknut despite them both being spelt the same way. We could always move them afterwards if we can find evidence that the ku is meant to be there, or if we just change our minds about how to do it, I just figure that we should follow the route of the other names and just avoid unnecessary lettering for now, if thats the plan. I think the point is by placing the extra emphasis on the K, the u becomes unnecessary, at least thats what it seems like to me. Maybe we should go steal a fluent Japanese speaker from the Fire Emblem wiki sometime?
 * Though, now I'm thinking on it, should Aqua Beetle be moved to Pirogus instead of Pirogusu as well if U in su is commonly silent? Less of an issue since its just one letter, but I just realised that falls under the same rule. Anyway, I'll continue by moving some of the less controversial ones first. Fizzle 05:48, 19 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Actually, what I meant was that we don't mess with the names or try to localize it in any way unless it's based on a loanword. Personally, I feel that trying to localize it just makes it another case of fan-naming, which is what sparked this whole debate. Honestly, I'd prefer if we kept true to and retain accuracy with the Japanese names and not name articles for how they sound.
 * Anyway, I don't think you should be looking for any "English pronunciation" when dealing with their Japanese names. Unless you're talking about the romaji, in which case, I'm gonna say it's a highly subjective matter whether or not to pronounce the u in ku. Google's far from perfect (especially its translation features), so I'd take everything with a grain of salt.
 * Fire Emblem wiki is down, I think, so I'll just ask somebody else about it. 06:50, 22 October 2011 (EDT)
 * As a follow-up, one of my sources (a Japanese speaker), says it's "not exactly silent, but it is much less stressed". I was probably mistaken in ever bringing it up because in the instance I based it off of, the guy was talking hastily, so the "u" in "ku" never falls completely silent. 07:58, 22 October 2011 (EDT)

I am in need of serious help
I know how to edit but nothing else. I'm lucky I found out how to type this. I'm new so can someone tell me how to vote, set up my personal page, edit pictures, and things like that? --18:00, 19 October 2011 (EDT)Person777 18:00, 19 October 2011 (EDT)


 * Well, that's a lot of stuff. First off, I'd recommend looking through the Help Guide. However, I will address each point:


 * To vote for a Featured Article or Featured Picture, click on the edit button beside the nomination you want to vote for. Next, add your vote beneath the template like this:
 * # I vote for this article/picture because... ~


 * To make a personal page, click on this link and create your page. You can add anything you want to it, as long as it isn't offensive. If you need inspiration, you can look at what other users and staff have on their pages.
 * "Editing pictures" is a really broad topic, so you have to be more specific. Do you want to upload new files or update an existing file? Or do you want to learn about the process of creating and modifying the image? If it's the second question, what exactly do you want to know? Would you like to know what programs to use, how to make images transparent, how to make a picture brighter, etc?
 * If you have any questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to reply. I'd be happy to help. 18:54, 20 October 2011 (EDT)

Thanks for answering my question. That was very helpful. I check the help guide for pictures, I don't really know what I'm looking for!:) --17:18, 21 October 2011 (EDT)Person777 17:18, 21 October 2011 (EDT)