Talk:Shield

I've finally made it through the Shield article from the beginning to the end of the series. It's organized by game to function to shield. It took a while, and I plan on keeping it this way, unless someone can find a better arrangement for it. I asked ZW members who weren't overenthusiastic about the fate of the article, so I decided on the organization of the article on my own. Let's face it, though. It's much better than it was. It has references and the name of every single shield that has a name.

Now I plan on getting together a gallery and a list of enemies that can be defeated especially with the use of the shield, as well a list of enemies that use shields. List like these are a new thing I've been working on for the Bomb article and soon other articles, so if anyone would like to throw suggestions out there, be my guest. Thanks for any helped granted. Noble Wrot 07:05, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

So far: Weak against:
 * Deku Scrub
 * Octorok
 * Poe (TWW)
 * Purple ChuChu
 * Spiked Beetle
 * Toadpoli
 * Twinrova
 * Wizzrobe (TAOL)

Use:
 * Armos
 * Darknut
 * Soldier
 * Stalfos

Article Reorganization
Noble Wrot's cleanup of the page was much needed (looks great compared to its past!). Perhaps a more "shield-directed" article will be more effective than a "game-directed article. Some thing like this: have "recurring" or "common shields" as one of the subsections, then describe the Mirror Shield, "Wooden" Shield, and the Hylian Shield, and their subtypes and denominations within each game - Mirror Shields act and are used similarly in each title, as are Wooden and Hylian Shields. It would centralize topics and cut down on article redundancy. After that, possibly a "non-recurring" shield subsection where all of the unique shields from the games (not the ones named above) are described. Since this would be such a large edit, I'd like to have more than one opinion. Place comments below. 22:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I agree, and I'd like to be the one to rearrange the article. I wanted to focus on the function from section to section, but it was after I wrote most of the article that I told Axiomist it was repetitive. I suppose I can focus on function in one paragraph in the introduction of the article. I wanted the shields split into sections afterward, especially because there are so many stubby shield articles. I thought that, possibly, they could be merged with this one if it met the standards of the Wiki, but that's up for debate. See, the thing with focusing the sections on the different shields is because of those other articles. You will have information here that can be found in numerous places on the Wiki, even though the articles are all related to this one. Still, I'm for it. We'll see what happens. Noble Wrot 04:29, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think articles here default to a by-game format. One I've been opposing since Talk:Stealth Missions. I tried nudging Noble Wrot to go with a shield specific article and just use the main page tags, but everyone is free to experiment and it may have helped to get the info together before restructuring. I think this page's role is meant to be one offering general shield information. Which the intro doesn't really do yet. I'm ok with having the other articles out there. They could be sizable enough to stand on their own and a general shield page could just summarize them without even really listing every detail or game the Wooden Shield appears in. 02:26, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok, was it really necessary to throw out ALL of my work? You even threw out my references. I know a good number of them were useless and repetitive, but you could have used some of them even for this. It's not like it was poorly written. It just needed to be reorganized. I also requested for you to allow me to redo the article, and you could have at least responded to that, let me work, and then take over yourself. I believe it's important to talk about function, and you excluded that period. You can't just talk about an item without mentioning how it's used. I'm afraid I'm going to have to put my work back into place and rearrange it like I said. Don't worry. I have the common courtesy to include your input. It's actually pretty good, and it's sort of what someone in the chat suggested. I just can't let something I've spent days on go to waste. Noble Wrot 06:29, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * And to be clear, there's a difference between reorganizing and rewriting. That's why I was in support of in the first place. Noble Wrot 06:38, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh no, I didn't mean to do that! =( I'm sorry, of course you can revert my edit or add to it or something, I was just going on what Ax said, as more of a summary... I really did rewrite the whole thing, didn't I? =( Jeez, I guess I just got real carried away. Sorry man  06:37, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It's all right. As long as you understand where I'm coming from, we won't have a problem. It's not like the damage was permanently done. For reorganizing the whole "Function" issue, you can take the first sentence under each of the game titles. I relate every game to others that had a simpler function. For example, in LOZ, TAOL, ALTTP, FS, FSA, and PH, the shield were all automatically used, but in LOZ and ALTTP, the shield could only block projectiles. Subtleties like that are important to notice. Then you have all of the Game Boy titles, in which shields were assigned button commands. In the 3D games, the shield is used with R, except in Twilight Princess. Be sure to mention the shield attack. Another tip, mention the Reflect Spell in the Mirror Shield section. I want it to be content have and informative. This article can be a phoenix from the ashes with a little collaboration. Noble Wrot 06:54, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Would you rather do that or me, especially since you originally opted to reorganize the shiz? I'd be more comfortable if you did, to be honest, you seem to know more about the individual functions of the shields than I do =) And what time is it on your end? It's about 2:10am over here, I'm about to hit the sack! 06:58, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm talking to him in Skype, He's finishing up an art project, studying for a Math exam (college) and we are both in Central, but I think he's cool with you doing it. 07:06, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll try to get work in on it later today. It all depends, but yes, I will like to have the first crack at it. Trust me. I'm am excellent at organization. I'm a writing tutor, and I help people with this stuff all the time. It shouldn't be a problem. The only reason I wrote the article like that from start to finish is because I thought it would tie all the information together from beginning to end, and I know Ax agrees. He kind of spoke for himself on that issue. I'll try to get something done.

Deletion
Is this page really necessary? There are already pages for all three of these items. -- Xizor 09:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey Xizor! I added this page because I saw "Shields of Majora's Mask", and I thought this would make sense too. Sorry, it's my first page I made. Let's see what other people think before we delete it. 12:31, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * We already have a category for shields, so this page is just redundant. Plus, the Shields of Majora's Mask isn't a necessary page to begin with, either. ;) Dany36 17:34, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I do see your point, Dany36. But perhaps we could keep these pages in the Shield categories if a person is solely looking for shields from a certain game. Or, perhaps in the Shield Catergory, we could also so what game they belong to. What do you think? 04:01, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


 * For a first page, it was well done, but as Dany said, the Majora's Mask Shield page is also unnecessary and has been similarly flagged. There is also a page listing ALL shields, and thus this page is auxiliary to a fault, as is the Majora's Mask Shield Page. I think they should both be removed. No worries, though, because you were simply observing the wiki and acting as you thought best. So don't think that if the pages are deleted you necessarily did anything wrong. =] -- Xizor 07:40, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll agree this should just be in the shields page or a subcategory to shields. I'll let someone look and see where it fits best, if not I'll get to it. 03:06, 27 June 2009 (UTC)