Talk:Volvagia

That Dragon Roost Island and the Death Mountain of Ocarina of Time are the same place is questionable. That's because, first of all, since we can't see the exact place of the Dragon Roost Island peak (since they're all mountain peaks). Second, if we take on account the distances, Dragon Roost Island is farther away from Hyrule Castle than Ocarina of Time's Death Mountain. And third, since Nintendo tends to change Hyrule's terrain from game to game (that or there are several places with Hyrule Castles, sometimes I like to think A Link to the Past's "Hyrule" is East of Ocarina of Time's Hyrule, but I think that's just arbitrary)

Barba and Volvagia Link
I found something interesting looking at the Japanese names for Barba and Volvagia, who are already uncannily similar:

Their Japanese names are Barubajia and Varubajia, respectively. Aren't B and V supposed to be used somewhat interchangeably in Japanese?

Japanese names found here: http://bestiary.zeldalegends.net/index.php?game=z2&limit=

Anyways, something even more strongly linking the two. Dinosaur bob 13:33, 19 October 2007 (EDT)

isn't there any pictures of the actual fight with volgera instead of artwork Zanramon

I have to admit that I don't believe the manga, but kind of wish it were true. I wish link were from Calatia, and would like to believe that majora was killed by a musician...but i really don't think its true.--Claire 13:38, 1 January 2008 (EST)

Merge Discussion
The discussion whether to merge this article with Barba has begun on that page's talk page- we're looking for a consensus vote, either pro- or anti-merge, here. So, got merge templates up, and making it known on Volvagia's talk page as well. Dinosaur bob 00:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I heard that it's original Japanese name was Volvagia, and/or that it was changed to such in the Collector's Edition version of AoL. Is this true? Dinosaur bob 16:10, 4 October 2007 (EDT)

I just found the source for the above rumor- Barba's Japanese name is Barubajia, while Volvagia's is Varubajia. Japanese names for AOL's enemies found here: http://bestiary.zeldalegends.net/index.php?game=z2&limit=

Thanks for your time! Dinosaur bob 13:30, 19 October 2007 (EDT)

Think we should merge this article with the Volvagia one?


 * As far as I'm concerned, they're still completely separate entities. Although the name-link is a compelling one, it doesn't prove that they are one and the same. Also, if they were to merge, the title would have to be either Barubajia or Varubajia, which wouldn't sit well with me. Anyone else's thoughts?--Adam 15:43, 19 November 2007 (EST)


 * ...Japanese does not have the sound "V". They have exactly the same japanese name - Barubajia. This has been translated in America most recently to Volvagia, and was corrected as such for the re-release of TAoL. They are both serpentine lava dragons.
 * What more do you need?KrytenKoro 15:50, 19 November 2007 (EST)


 * Someone else's view on it. I'm not the arbiter of all that's right, nor would I claim to be so. But nor are you. Consensus is needed. --Adam 16:44, 19 November 2007 (EST)

I'm pro merge and having the article named Volvagia (as "Barba" obviously is a less correct translation (unless one would look at the number of letters)). I was already thinking of suggesting that when adding the name-comparision parts. But before I support such a merge, I'd like to know where I can find prove of the renaming, KrytenKoro. Where is the renaming of Barba written/stated. IfIHaveTo 06:42, 20 November 2007 (EST)
 * Pro-merge here, I think their the same, why have two different articles?--Kasei 01:05, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Does anyone know how to get up the 'merge' templates? Doing that on this article and Volvagia's would let people know it's under debate... but I can't remember how to do it, nor does the help section help AT ALL. -_-; Dinosaur bob 00:27, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Found it at last- merge templates up, and let the discussion commence! ;) Dinosaur bob 00:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Another pro-merge. Different way of writing their names, same boss. And like KrytenKoro mentioned, its name has been corrected for the re-release of TAoL, so...why not merge them? Dany36 01:38, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge these. I never even knew this boss by the name Barba. It has always been Volvagia. --Yumil 17:16, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, so far it looks like we're unanimously pro-merge. Anyone know how to make it so? *coughnevermergedanarticlebeforecough* Dinosaur bob 19:59, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

The merge is done, and since few users are aware of how to get to a redirect page discussion, I figured to bring the discussion here. As there have been questions on why these two pages were merged. On a side note, I want to say that we should be cautious about merging pages based on their Japanese names. This is an English language wiki. But I'm not against this nor Hiploop/Helmasaur being merged as the enemies are overall the same. 03:33, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm bringing this discussion back up because ultimately the merging of these articles is unjustified. The merge was based off the similarities in appearance and the same Japanese name. While of course on a normal basis I'd say that's sufficiency evidence, however our current policy is that then English text is canon over the Japanese text, seeing as it is an English wiki. So I think the two articles should be unmerged, otherwise a change in policy is in order. 22:35, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Japanese Boss Title
The other Ocarina of Time boss pages have their titles with their Japanese names. Could someone add Volvagia's Japanese title to the page? Pokemega32 01:54, 21 November 2011 (EST)

Hyrule Historia
I've seen it reported (but not seen the text myself) that the Hystoria says that Volvagia is Valoo's ancestor...which also implies that Volvagia is also a Spirit.KrytenKoro 00:22, 7 February 2012 (EST)


 * Then Volvagia is male. I was right. But I didn't know that Volvagia was so much special, I mean, Zoras transfored into Ritos, Kokiris have turned into Koroks, but Volvagia's successor is Valoo? Then yes, he has a spirit.--Prince Ludwig 07:30, 8 February 2012 (EST)

Volvugia vs Volvagia
Ok, how is something written Vol-VA-gia supposed to be pronounced Vol-VU-gia? Last time I checked VA was not pronounced VU in any written word in English or Japanese

As for the Japanese pronunciation, it's listed in the zeldalegend bestiary (http://bestiary.zeldalegends.net/index.php?game=z2&limit=) as VARUBAJIA, meaning the katakana should read as ヴァルバギア. In which case that would still not explain where the Vu comes from, as the only U sound comes from the ru which forms the single L.

Pharap 16:34, 12 February 2012 (EST)
 * You're confusing a u in phonetic respell for making an "oo" sound. The phonetic spelling of Volvagia, vɒl ˈvʌ dʒiː ɑː, taken from the Japanese pronunciation (following the IPA respell pronunciation key) is more-or-less properly respelled as vol-VU-gee-ah. ヴァルバギア would roughly translate (based on word stress) to vɑ ruː bʌ dʒi ʌ, which would then, phonetically, read as Vah-roo-bu-gee-u. Now, in English, this would instead read as it's currently written, vɒl ˈvʌ dʒiː ɑː (バ produces the ʌ sound in context, resulting in the "u"). It's confusing, but there really is no error. 17:20, 12 February 2012 (EST)
 * That...doesn't sound right. -a kana are usually pronounced with an /ɑː/, not a /ʌ/. If you search バギアWWWJDIC, it even has a sound file so that you can hear it; the "vag" is pronounced nearly like "dog", not "dug".KrytenKoro 11:22, 13 February 2012 (EST)
 * Firstly, after checking the bestiary, they have it written as varubajia, which would be ヴァルバジア, not ヴァルバギア. I'm surprised I didn't realise sooner, but even more surprised nobody else did. Anyway, best comparison, ギア(gi-a) is the way the Japanese pronounce gear, so if you take that logic and use the a from gi-a and apply it to the other a sounds in varubajia then it makes sense to use and an and not a u. Also to note, the Japanese do not have a u sound as in bug or bus, nor does their a sound sound like such. Whichever way you look at it, the u sound doesn't make sense. Pharap 15:29, 13 February 2012 (EST)