Talk:Ripened Tingle's Balloon Trip of Love

Title
Shouldn't this article be named Irozuki Tingle no Koi no Balloon Trip, since there is no official English title? And what about the DSiWare title Dekisugi Tingle Pack, is this also worth an article, even if it is an application rather than a game? By the way, the cards are related to Tingle Pack, not this game. --Grandy02 19:44, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * That is the translated name, and not everyone can remember a Japanese Title. We prefer to use English game names here and if the title changes in Translation, then we move the page. 20:43, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, and the DSiWare Dekisugi, er, I mean Too Much Tingle Pack? --Grandy02 21:12, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * First off don't use the tags as they produce Red Links, which we don't want. Second, I think we'll just keep it with the English names. Thank you.  21:19, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the red links. I've understood the name issue, with my las part question I actually meant if the Tingle Pack deserves an article or not (because it's an application and not an actual game). On a side note, this article uses a different apostrophe (’), the other two Tingle games use '.--Grandy02 21:26, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Help Needed!
Is there anybody here who knows Japanese and could help translating? Nintendo's Japanese website tells A LOT on this game, both on its content and its development. Sadly, I don't understand it, and so I can't continue the work on this article. Online translators aren't very helpful (and not all text can be copied). Does anyone want to help? Please! --Grandy02 12:50, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Wrong title?
In the internet, both "Tingle's Love Balloon Trip" and "Tingle's Balloon Trip of Love" are used as translations of the title. Zelda Wiki currently uses the former one, but I think it should be changed to Tingle's Balloon Trip of Love, since this appears to be the official translation. It is printed on official merchandise. And I'm also not sure about the "Color Changing" part. A user at Wikipedia said that iro not only means color, but also "sexual desire", and irozuki describes "becoming sexual." Therefore, "Ripening" would be the best translation, which fits both meanings and the "Freshly-Picked Tingle" of the first game. Well, I don't know Japanese, but at least the different meaning of iro seems to be true and it makes much more sense than "Color Changing." So, change this to Ripening Tingle's Balloon Trip of Love? --Grandy02 13:14, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * We don't go by what the "accurate" translations go by, we go by the official title of the game. Otherwise, A Link to the Past would be Triforce of the Gods. 16:48, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, A Link to the Past is the official English title. But have you found any official mention of the game's full title by Nintendo in English media? Then please tell. That big sites such as IGN, GameTrailers and others swap between "Balloon Trip of Love" and "Love Balloon Trip" shows that there is probably none. Tingle's Balloon Trip of Love is what appears on the shirt that is officially advertised at Nintendo's website. But there is no mention of the title's former part in English. As long as Nintendo hasn't revealed an official English translation of the "Color Changing" part, the most accurate translation is indeed what should be used in my opinion. --Grandy02 16:44, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * You do have a point there, Grandy, but I'm with Steve here. I say that we go by the common name until an English title is released. Otherwise, we would have sported the name "Picked-Freshly Tingle's Rose-Colored Rupeeland" for a while. Also, the Spirit Tracks title would be called "Tracks of the Holy Spirit", I believe. There are several ways to translate these titles. Besides, people will come here looking for the titles that Gamespot and IGN are giving it. Just my opinion. 18:18, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, the Spirit Tracks title was early revealed, so there was no need to use a literal translation of the Japanese title. For the first Tingle game, the wiki used the translation "Tingle's Freshly-picked Rose-colored Rupee Land" before the European name was revealed. I don't think (unofficial) titles should be used just because IGN and GameSpot use them. It doesn't make them official. Plus, GameSpot doesn't even translate the Japanese title. I agree that there are multiple ways of translating titles, but what if "Color Changing" is actually a mistranslation? I don't know exactly, I don't speak Japanese. Someone who knows Japanese should have a word on this, but is here any user who does? Independent of "Color Changing", "Love Balloon Trip" should definitely be changed to "Balloon Trip of Love", since this IS official (and IGN uses it, BTW). --Grandy02 19:32, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with you, but I'm simply saying that it's where users will be looking for it. Honestly, I don't care one bit what IGN says, but the names they've given are as they are. -_- 00:31, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Since I made this page, I can say that I took the title from ZU's news post on the subject. If the title is wrong, than blame ZU. :P  23:59, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


 * No one needs to be blamed, the problem is that Nintendo has never revealed a full official English translation of the title, so different translations spread through the web. --Grandy02 10:26, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Name Change...again
I saw the discussion above about changing the name, but that was a long time ago, and the new consensus seems to be to use the Japanese names for non-translated games (case in point: the BS Zelda pages now go by the Japanese names instead of the English translations). So shall we move this to its Japanese name? 21:46, 31 December 2012 (UTC)


 * So what would the title be? Irozuki Chinkuru no Koi no Barun Torippu or Irozuki Tingle no Koi no Balloon Trip? The second is arguably translated, but easier to remember. 09:09, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I was actually going to suggest a page move as well... but for a different reason and to a different title. This was brought up two years ago, but I think this should be re-addressed. Firstly, we have an official translation of the main portion of the name, yet choose to use our own. This official T-shirt has "Balloon Trip of Love" as the name of the game (which is just as valid a translation as "Love Balloon Trip"), so would it not make sense to use that? Secondly, "Color Changing" doesn't appear to mean anything in terms of the game and does not match the other major Tingle game; いろづき can also be translated as "ripe", which matches "freshly-picked" from Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland. So overall, my proposed new title is "Ripe Tingle's Balloon Trip of Love".
 * Since I had originally written this before the page was proposed to be moved to a romanized title, I'm going to respond to that separately. I think it is best that we use official translations in the page titles whereever possible; thus, not have a page located at "BS Denstu no Zeruda", but instead at BS The Legend of Zelda because that is the official translation of it. In the same vein, this page should use "Balloon Trip of Love" in the title as that is the official translation. In regards to the policy of using romanized names over translations, Tingle games currently use translations while BS games use romanizations; I don't think there is already a pre-established convention either way. -- Snorlax Monster  12:01, 1 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I was thinking along the same lines as Snorlax. Although, "Ripened" would probably be a better choice than just "Ripe" if we were trying to match "Fresly-Picked Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland". I'm in favor of moving this page to "Ripened Tingle's Balloon Trip of Love", although I'd rather we refer to the game as simply "Tingle's Balloon Trip of Love" whenever possible because that part can be confirmed while "Ripened" is a total conjecture (albeit a reasonable one). 13:14, 1 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Personally, I don't really care. I just want us to stay consistent, so if we're going to have BS Zelda: Kodai no Sekiban, then we need to have Irozuki Tingle...somethingorother. Likewise, if we're going to have Balloon Trip of Love (or whatever) then we need to have BS The Legend of Zelda. As to whether they should use English or Japanese...well, I guess I'll speak in favor of the English translations, since we used to do it that way and it seems simpler. Besides, if someone comes to Irozuki no Tingle no Sukihamayotocaba (not actual name, again), then they're probably just going to go "wait, what?" 04:28, 18 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Inishie no Sekiban and Balloon Trip are two different issues. Inishie no Sekiban has no official translation at all, while this game does (well, sort of). If you ask me Inishie no Sekiban is fine where it is, regardless of what we end up doing here. 23:06, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, bumping this. "Ripened Tingle's Balloon Trip of Love" combines a more accurate translation of the first word, and the official translation of the second part of the sentence. Do people object to moving this page to "Ripened Tingle's Balloon Trip of Love"? -- Snorlax Monster  05:57, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Closest Thing to an Official Title
In Hyrule Warriors' Tingle has the Love-Filled Balloon, which when paired with other weapon, the Rosy Balloon, is a clear reference to his spin-off games. following that logic, if the Japanese names of the balloons match the titles of the games, I'd say the "Ripened Tingle's Love-Filled Balloon Trip" is the "would be" official translation for the title. On a side note, it also matches the syntax of "Freshly Picked Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland" almost exactly. DarkLink1996 (talk) 10:10, 19 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Except that's not how languages work. What is literally "of (love)" doesn't mean "filled with (love)".
 * The Love-Filled Balloon is called the in Japanese, so it's not a translation of the game's title. It may be a nod to it, but it could also just be named such because it's made of heart-shaped balloons. In any case, it wouldn't be any more official than what we have now, considering Hyrule Warriors is non-canon.  00:12, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, but now I'm curious, which company handled the translation of the game? Nintendo or one of its usual translating companies like 8-4, or Tecmo Koei/Omega Force? If the translation was done on the Nintendo side of things, then the non-canon card is moot, and my point stands, if done on the Tecmo side, I'll put down the argument. DarkLink1996 (talk) 08:14, 15 March 2016 (UTC)


 * EDIT: Checking the credits, the localization was done by Tecmo Staff, with both people involved having only worked on Ninja Gaiden, Deception and DOA. I concede defeat on all fronts. DarkLink1996 (talk) 08:16, 15 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Even if Nintendo did the localization, both games would still be non-canon because they have no placement on the timeline. 14:30, 15 March 2016 (UTC)