Talk:Helmaroc King

Super Smash Bros. Brawl Trophy
In SSBB, the trophy for Helmaroc King heavily implies if not outwardly states, that Helmasaur King and the Helmaroc King are the same being. I don't believe this (ones a bird and one is some wierd dinosaur thing), but I think it might be worth mentioning--Magnus orion 11:09, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Birds are said to have evolved from dinosaurs. If that's true, then perhaps the Helmasaur King eventually evolved into the Helmaroc King. It's very possible that they are the same being. Master Lucario


 * One problem. TWW is before ALttP, so you'd have a bird evolving into a dinosaur. Also, SSB trophies are notorious for being inaccurate. They both start with Helma- because of their helmets. Then -roc means bird and -saur means dinosaur. There not related. 00:47, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Biggest Bosses
I've looked carefully at Helmaroc King, and he should probaby be added to the biggest Zelda bosses, along with Gohma (about half of its body is under the lava). What do you think, guys? Snakeboss14 01:40, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It's by no means bigger than Molgera, Twinmold, Stallord, Morpheel or even Kholdstare, so NO. --K2L 07:17, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I say it's about the same size as Stallord and by far bigger than Kholdstare. Snakeboss14

Stallord is taller than HK, you can see it when Link stands in front of it, and it head is bigger (you can notice it when you compare Stallord's head thrown in the floor while you're hitting it with the blade, to HK's head when you're going to hit it with the hammer). As for Kholdstare, it occupies much of the entire battlefield screen, unlike the giant bird. The only TWW bosses smaller than Helmaroc king are Ganondorf and Gohdan. --K2L 00:10, 21 December 2009 (UTC)


 * And Kalle Demos, and Jalhalla, and Puppet Ganon's snake form. Come on! Kholdstare? --Snakeboss14 22:27, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh man, you don't give up, don't you? =P Oh well. Go and edit the articles regarding the bosses said to be the biggest (by adding HK's name in the trivia sections, where the names of the big bosses appear in each of them); if no one reverts your edits, maybe you were right; but when you can, next time you're playing a Zelda game, put Link in front of a boss, compare his size to the boss's, take notes and then repeat with the other bosses, THEN you can realize how small HK actually is D=.--K2L 01:53, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Man, who cares? Helmaroc King is big, but then again there is a large margin of error when it comes to bosses and their relative sizes compared to Link. Honestly, I don't think anyone would have a true problem wtih Helmaroc King's inclusion - at least it is the largest bird Link has ever fought. =) 02:02, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Redirection
Currently, "Helmaroc" redirects to Helmaroc King. However, due to its similarity to the Kargaroc, many think that Kargarocs are actually called "Helmarocs." Should we redirect "Helmaroc" to Kargaroc? 15:24, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
 * No way, that would incite further confusion! What we can do is create a disclaimer at the top of both pages that is a soft redirect to the other, just in case people do get lost. An example of what I'm talking about is at the top of the Majora's Mask (Boss) article. 23:26, 3 October 2011 (EDT)

"He" or "It"?
Now that this article is nominated for Featured Article, it's a good time to start sweating the details. Currently, we use both "he" and "it" to describe the Helmaroc King. I'm thinking it would be a good idea to pick one and stick to it. As I understand it, conventional grammar rules state that it is correct to call an animal "he" or "she" if its gender is known and has a specific role. Kind of like how Lassy is a "she" but a stray dog you would find one the street is an "it". This also applies if this animal is given human qualities. The Helmaroc King is definitely more than an ordinary animal. As such, I'm heavily leaning towards "he". However, I checked a text dump and in the game the personal pronoun "it" is always used (look at the figurine description, for example). Thoughts? 19:02, 11 October 2011 (EDT)


 * Seeing how he's a king, I think we should stick to he. 19:58, 11 October 2011 (EDT)


 * I went ahead and made the switch, that way we're at least sticking to one. If someone feels like that's wrong we can always change it later. :) 20:03, 11 October 2011 (EDT)