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01:03, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Split "Hero of Time" from this page?
I don't know about you, but I think this page is very, very lengthy. I also think that a page for the Hero of Time should exist, rather than a redirect. I think it could really thrive as a page and could become very decently sized. As the Hero of Time seems to be the one most referenced out of his own game, I think out of all the Link incarnations, his is the most deserving. Thoughts? 08:58, 21 April 2011 (EDT)
 * The size of this page has already been discussed (see the last discussion in the archives). As for splitting the Hero of Time into its own article, I see how that could work...MAYBE. Maybe it should be first presented as a sandbox project? I'll wait and see what other folks say. ;) Dany36 11:03, 21 April 2011 (EDT)
 * There's a problem with that, though. The Hero of Time is only one of the many incarnations Link has had. We also have the Hero of Winds, the Chosen Hero, and the Engineer. We would have to make a page for each of them, and so far no incarnation of Link has been in more than two games (whereas the Mario, the Luigi and the Samus we play as are the ones and same in their respective games). As for article size, I see no problem so far. Length limit has been upgraded to four times the supposed MediaWiki limit, so we're safe for now. -- 12:09, 21 April 2011 (EDT)

Link page deleted?
Why was it deleted? Spam attack? Maintenance? Something else? I find it rather curious that no reason is given, at least not a recent reason.

EDIT: Never mind, I see it now... Odd. ~Count Olaf~ 04:11, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

As you can see on the Latest Announcements on the main page, the Wiki has recently undergone a server move. This glitch you saw was likely a result of it. 18:38, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

Ah! Sorry, I didn't notice. >_< ~Count Olaf~ 07:39, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

SKYWARD SWORD INFO

 * Link and Zelda are friends in a boarding school (when they have friends, teachers and a principal)
 * "The flying sequence at the E3 demo is Link competing against his classmates. One of them looks kind of a like a bad guy, as you saw, and he shows up in other ways in the game too, since he has a major thing for Zelda."
 * Princess Zelda is not a "princess" in this game" (at the beginning most likely).

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-29-zelda-skyward-sword-a-school-drama --Isamisa 08:52, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

Link's Reincarnation
Someone should add the information that The Wind Waker Link is the reincarnation of the Hero of Time. I mean Ganondorf (The Wind Waker) said he is. --Cococrash11 17:59, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
 * The King of Red Lions said Link isn't when he conversed with Jabun. Ganondorf doesn't know that. -- 21:12, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

What if its the other way around? That doesn't mean The King of Red Lions and Jabun know anymore than Ganondorf do. They said Link had no relation to the Hero of Time maybe they meant physically not spiritually. What does the creator say about it? Even so it should be included what Ganondorf, King of Red Lions, and Jabun said in the article just to let the readers understand. --Cococrash11 22:37, 2 July 2011 (EDT)


 * The Hero of Time ceased to exist on the Adult Timeline at the end of OoT! There is no soul to be reincarnated in the first place. Also, TWW Link isn't the chosen one, remember? He has to earn the ToC, and starts out as just a kid looking for his sister. Alongside the King's comment, there is absolutely zero grounds for him being a reincarnation. Reign 23:02, 2 July 2011 (EDT)

Well maybe he's ceased to exist physically not spiritually. Even if that's true it still needs Ganondorf's opinion in the article. What the King said is from the second quest not a lot of reader may know that its a spoiler. Just write Ganondorf think he's the Hero of Time's Reborn but the king said he isn't. It can list under Theory and the content talks about who is correct.

You do realize Ganondorf is the only one who ever fought the Hero of Time and been defeated personally by him. In his point of view when Link defeated Puppet Ganon he might see/notice Link's skill reminiscence of the Hero of Time. Also hey the King never personally seen the Hero of Time himself so what makes him so sure? That is why I trust Ganondorf's opinion more then the King. The King says "He doesn't have any connection to the Ancient Hero" for all we know it might be physical connection not spiritual connection its debatable. The King might might be wrong for all we know. --Cococrash11 06:21, 5 July 2011 (EDT)


 * "If you have sought me out...it must mean you have found the Hero of Time, does it not?" — Jabun
 * "The one I have brought with me has no connection to the legendary one." — King of Red Lions after meeting Jabun
 * "That garb you wear... Could you be the legendary hero? [...] What is the matter? Do you not understand the ancient Hylian tongue? So...you are not the Hero of Time." — Great Deku Tree
 * "I have been waiting for you, boy. For one like you... Yes... For the hero.[...] Yes, surely you are the Hero of Time, reborn..." — Ganondorf


 * Reign presents an interesting point: Link no longer exists on the AT. In that case, neither should the Triforce of Courage, since it can be seen clearly on his hand at the end of OOT. Also, Ganon would probably know that the Hero of Time no longer exists. After he broke out and started corrupting the land, he would have had plenty of time to learn about it. Add to that the fact that we don't know what happened to Link after Majora's Mask. He already traveled through time hundreds of times with various methods, so he may have found a way to go back to the Adult Timeline. This last point is weak speculation, however. I still think we should mention this issue on the page somewhere, with the quotes above as references. 09:29, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

The Hero of Time died after Majora's Mask and has an incarnation in Twilight Princess 100 years later. If the Hero of Time no longer exists physically in the Adult Timeline, the only place where he physically exists was in the Child Timeline as the Hero's Spirit, including his real descendant, the Hero of Twilight, who has the same physical appearance to that of the Adult Hero of Time but not the same powers. I guess most words the guys who don't see Toon Link as the Hero of Time is supposed to be adressed to Twilight Princess's Link.

Then guys, you are right, Toon Link is the only one who inherit everything from the Hero of Time, which is what we call it "spiritual connection". If you play Wind Waker, Toon Link is really similar to that of Adult Link (even his voice sounds so much like him), the same hero who saved the Adult Timeline's Hyrule from Ganondorf. If that's the case, Toon Link really is spiritually the Hero of Time and yet others except Ganondorf cannot notice that. This is why it's nearly impossible for me to call the Hero of Winds a descendant/incarnation of Link...

Do you remember what the Hero of Time said in Twilight Princess? He said that he filled with regrets at leaving behind his role as the Hero. Perhaps he was worried for what that would happen in the Adult Timeline, so that is probably why he left the Triforce of Courage's 8 shards after he returned back to his childhood so eventually someone who can be a true hero could find them.--Prince Ludwig 14:18, 4 February 2012 (EST)

Split into separate pages for each Link?
We now know exactly how many Links there are currently and which games they were in. Can they be split up into separate pages? Pokemega32 15:40, 6 January 2012 (EST)

Recent reorganization
Seems like someone beat us to it. :P We had been debating whether or not to apply the layout that Her Grace did to the Royal Family of Hyrule article (which was rather nice!), so with this new reorganization, it seems like the way to go. It will be more timeline-based given the release of HH, but will hopefully let readers see much better which Links are the same and how the story flowed. --Dany36 13:08, 13 January 2012 (EST)


 * I think this should be outlined first before we before really get to work on it, and the heroes can be differentiated depending on their title. The Chosen Hero of the Goddess, Hero of Time, Hero of Winds, and anything we can pull from the Hyrule Historia. After what has already been discussed on Skype, I think it might be better to then separate by game. For example, we would list the hero and what he did in each game. However, as I have already mentioned, I believe we should really see this outlined before another reorganization begins. Noble Wrot 14:05, 13 January 2012 (EST)

For the reorganization of today sorry, it's me who make it ^^', it was actually just a base to see more easily all the incarnations of Link and their reappearance throughout the series. I agree with Noble Wrot for list each Link chronologically and by timeline, and notified what they did in each game they appeared. And for the Link of LoZ and AOL, I think it is better to put the renders (like all other Link) instead of the old NES sprites. Hope we can find something nice for this page =). Itachou 17:04, 13 January 2012 (EST)

Link from "Four Swords" and "Four Swords Adventure"
Okay, I'm a bit confused of this. Is Link from FSA the same Link from FS?? I though FSA was a direct sequel of FS? but I guess it isn't.... and so is Zelda from FSA, the same princess from FS???? Can anyone answer me this doubt, please?? I'm so confused --Isamisa 16:58, 21 January 2012 (EST)
 * No, there are hundreds of years between the two games. Ganondorfdude11 17:00, 21 January 2012 (EST)

Okay, thank you very much! --Isamisa 08:19, 22 January 2012 (EST)

Other TLoZ doubts?
a). Who comes first: Oracle of Seasons or Oracle of Ages?

b).Is Link from Link's Awakening the same Link from A Link to the Past?? I thought LA was a direct sequel of ALttP, helppp

c). Does Link dies at the end of LA?

d). Was Marin just a dream that Link had or actually she really existed? --Isamisa 08:58, 22 January 2012 (EST)

a) Hyrule Historia indicates that Oracle of Season happens first.

b) Link from AlttP is the same as the one from LA and OoX, the order is: ALttP-OoX-LA

c) Probably not

d) She was just a dream, but the perfect ending implies that she became a real seagull Kaialone 10:49, 22 January 2012 (EST)
 * How does it say OoS happened first, if you don't mind? That is hard to believe, due to the Piratians, Bipin's ancestor, and Link not recognizing the possessed Impa not making sense with that setup.KrytenKoro 22:20, 23 January 2012 (EST)

I don't think he recognises Impa no matter what order you play the linked games in. It's a continuity error within the two linked games, really. Her Grace 19:33, 31 January 2012 (EST)

WHAT!?? Confused
ALttP, OoS, OoA & LA are the SAME Link??? and so they're all the same Princess Zelda?? WTH! --Isamisa 17:08, 23 January 2012 (EST)


 * Yes, that's exactly it. Itachou 17:37, 23 January 2012 (EST)


 * Yes, they're all the same. What's the problem? Link's Awakening was originally made as a sequel to A Link to the Past and there was always in-game evidence: Nightmare takes on the form of bosses seen in A Link to the Past, including Agahnim and Ganon. So we have the connection between A Link to the Past and Link's Awakening. Then the Oracles came out. The Triforce was unified and spoke to Link, an instant connection to the way A Link to the Past ended. Link was training in foreign lands, exactly what he was said to do after the events of A Link to the Past. The games ended with him leaving out to sea in the same boat he is travelling on sea with in Link's Awakening. Link's mistakes Marin for Zelda and Marin's sprite just so happens to be the same one used for Zelda in the Oracles. Koholint seems to reference the Oracles in several ways. The connections between those games was always quite strong.Her Grace 19:33, 31 January 2012 (EST)

Thank you very much for the explanation!!! I wrote on your wall @HerGrace :D Isamisa 18:32, 4 February 2012 (EST)

Skyward Sword? Second Link?
I am confused. I presumed, when Zelda said that(after my second playthrough) that, the Sailcloth Link has is the very same the "previous" Link had, the reason being is that Link goes BACK in time. Then again one could say that the people weren't there to witness Link using it in Ancient times. To be quite honest the debate could go both ways and come up with a tie. This was just a small pointer. Steahl 13:28, 25 February 2012 (EST)
 * You made a good point. Also, although Zelda carries Hylia's soul, she is not a goddess. Zeldafan1982 17:36, 25 February 2012 (EST)
 * Spiritually, she is Hylia, just like the Hero of Winds is the reincarnated Hero of Time.--Prince Ludwig 19:40, 25 February 2012 (EST)
 * Still, I think that this line was referring to the goddess Hylia, not Zelda. There are evidence that show Link hasn't already traveled back. It's just that the developers don't bother to be consistent when it comes to time-mechanics.
 * When Demise is defeated his remaining consciousness is absorbed into the MS. So no more Imprisoned. There is a cut-scene near the ending, which shows the Hylia's Temple with the back room empty. Zelda isn't sleeping there anymore. Also, Hylia's plan was the seal to be sustained and Demise to be destroyed by the Triforce. This is the timeline A, where things went roughly as Hylia had planned. Then when Ghirahim takes Zelda back, we have another timeline which overrides the original events.
 * Edit: I didn't mention the most obvious! Zelda didn't hand him the sailcloth in the past.
 * Regarding TWW Link: link. Zeldafan1982 13:01, 29 February 2012 (EST)

By the way, that's the same thing for the Hero of Men and the Hero of the Four Sword, since they also an actual incarnation of Link. The "confirmed earliest incarnation of Link" is the second one when there were actually another one who was Hylia's chosen hero thousands of years ago. That guy was Link too (I had a dream that was another 12-13 year old Toon Link O.o). By the way, about the Hero of Winds, the japanese language probably meant as if Link really is the reborn Hero of Time (reincarnation) just like the english version of The Wind Waker, but by translating the phrase it in english, it meant somehow different. It happens all the time dude. I would rather trust the english versions for some reasons (Birdo's gender being female is obvious but Japan still consider her as a trap ^_^;).--Prince Ludwig 17:33, 18 April 2012 (EDT)

Link's age and the Canonicity of Nintendo Power Guides
A few months ago, I created the "Age Controversy" section of this article where I proved that Link from The Wind Waker is 9 years old according to the Iwata Asks feature for Ocarina of Time 3D. However, while browsing other talk pages, I came across a link to another interview with Miyamoto in 1998 (http://www.miyamotoshrine.com/theman/interviews/08982.shtml), where he mentioned that Child Link was 7 or 8. Another talk page mentioned that Nintendo Power Guides can be considered canon due to their official nature. The Nintendo Power Guide for The Wind Waker mentions that his age is 12. Should the Iwata Asks info supersede the Nintendo Power and Miyamoto interview information? All three sources are canon and official.


 * I would say Iwata's statement supersedes Miyamoto's since it's more recent and more precise. "About 7-8" is much more vague than just 9 (which could technically mean the same thing anyhow). The section is fine as it is, if you ask me... I wonder if Hyrule Historia says anything about Link's age?
 * Sorry for the late post, by the way. 07:34, 22 March 2012 (EDT)

If that's the case, then the Hero of Time never turned into an adult and wasn't supposed to be known as "Adult Link", even the timeline isn't supposed to be called the "Adult" Timeline. But it would make more sense if Link turned 18 years old or 19 years old in the Adult Timeline (since Link as a child appears mostly like he was 11 years old). Because, he won't have to be known as Adult Link, only because he grown up and look like a matured adult (actually, he just physically grown in that era). Toon Link, the Hero of Winds, is supposed to be 12 years old as said in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, just as the Hero of Time turned most likely 12 years old since Majora's Mask (the game toke place several months after Ocarina of Time) that's for sure. I believe the developers need to be specific about Link's age and choose the right ones, and the Hero of Time is supposed to be 11-18 years old in Ocarina of Time.--Prince Ludwig 01:14, 23 March 2012 (EDT)

Link a Skyloftian?
Is Link a Skyloftian and a Hylian? Are all Skyloftians Hylian? Are they the same race or what.


 * Skyloftians are all Hylians dude. It doesn't make them any different or special than actual Hylians, just like Terminan Hylians (despite they are able to have counterparts of Hyrulean Hylians). They weren't called "Hylians" before the Kingdom of Hyrule's establisment yet, so they were always known as humans despite their long ears which are their only physical difference from "regular" humans (well, they too are humans respectly).--Prince Ludwig 17:38, 18 April 2012 (EDT)

That's basically what I thought. I don't understand why there is a Skyloaftian race on this wiki. I don't even remember Skyloftian being said in the game(maybe it was though, I just don't remember).


 * "Skyloftian" is a purely fan created term, it never appears in the game. In the game, the people of Skyloft are exclusively referred to as "Humans". Password 00:33, 7 May 2012 (EDT)


 * Skyloftians are definitely a distinct group of people, but they're far from being their own race. 06:53, 7 May 2012 (EDT)

Titles
Is it noteworthy to add in the titles section that in Phantom Hourglass Link is given the title Goro-Link by the Gorons and Link-abou by the Anouki Chief, and that in Skyward Sword he is always called Master Shortpants by Skipper? SkullJ 20:21, 5 May 2012 (EDT)


 * If "LD-Link-16" is noteworthy, then so are those. But personally I don't think LD-Link-16 or any of the ones you mentioned should be there. They seem more like nicknames than real titles to me. And besides, that list is getting to be pretty darn long... 08:17, 7 May 2012 (EDT)

Should we add OoT Link's statue in OoT Link section
I'm talking about the statue (later broken) of OoT Link that appeared in TWW Hyrule Castle. --Isamisa 10:38, 29 July 2012 (EDT)

Link's name
Regarding Link's name, although it is noteworthy that the player can choose it, HH basically makes it ambiguously canon. We can't be really sure if their name was Link or not: "The heroes that appear in this chronology are all known as Link. It may have been their true name, but perhaps they were called something different." Zeldafan1982 06:37, 29 September 2012 (EDT)


 * The way I see it, that quote is saying that Link is the hero's canonical, "true name", but as a side note references the fact that you can choose his name for the game (and so be "callled something different" by all the NPCs). 07:45, 29 September 2012 (EDT)

Link's use of the sword
I believe that is worth mentioning, as a trivia fact at least, that every incarnation of Link has been Left Handed, with the only exception of his very first incarnation in "The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword" where he is right handed. As you can see in every game, Link always holds his sword with his Left Hand, but on The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword he holds it with his right hand. lucasliso 01:13, 11 November 2012 (EDT)
 * It's already mentioned under "Characteristics". He's also right-handed in the Wii version of Twilight Princess. -- Snorlax Monster  04:32, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Translation of a passage from page 68 of Hyrule Historia
The official translation of this passage differs a bit from the translation done by GlitterBerri before the release of the English version. I'd like to ask which of the two is more accurate, since there are two refs on the page taken from this passage.

GlitterBerri's translation: "Naming the Hero Link: The heroes that appear in this chronology are all known as Link. It may have been their true name, but perhaps they were called something different. Some are the same person, but most were Links of their time: either different people entirely or the descendants of their heroic ancestors. Many Princess Zeldas also appear in Hyrule’s history as leaders, but this is because they, too, have taken on the legendary moniker of Zelda."

Hyrule Historia: "And the Hero shall be called 'Link'... : The heroes of these chronicles all share the name Link. These Links might have been the same person, a series of familial descendents, or a number of heroes with different names entirely. The Links of certain eras may also have been named after the legendary hero. Hylian princesses bearing the name Zelda have also appeared throughout the history of Hyrule. It is likely that the name was handed down through the generations."

Original text: (thanks to Baton of the Wind for including it in his translation!)

勇者の名は「リンク」とする この年代記に登場する勇者は、すべて名前を「リンク」に統一してある. 実際に「リンク」であったかもしれないし、実は違う名だったかもしれない. 同一人物の場合もあるが、別人または子孫など、多くはその時代における「リンク」である. また、ハイラル史の中心人物である「ゼルダ（姫）」も多く登場するが、これは伝説から名をとって「ゼルダ」 と名づけられているからである. Zeldafan1982 21:57, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Link's Age in Skyward Sword
In Hyrule Historia, it is mentioned in the concept art for SS undefined that SS Link is "seventeen and a half" years old. Is that correct, or is it incorrect? Based on the ages of the other Links, it doesn't seem likely, but... Here's the exact quote:

"The Link presented here is a mere seventeen and a half years old. He was designed as such- "halfway grown up, not fully matured"- in order to strike a thematic balance between this and Twilight Princess." 22:25, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * What page is that on? 00:15, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Scratch that, I got the full comment from the book. So yes, Link's age is 17 and a half. They wanted to make him more relatable to the player. The full quote is as follows:
 * "The Link presented here is a mere seventeen and a half years old. He was designed as such--'halfway grown up, not fully matured'--in order to strike a thematic balance between this and Twilight Princess. His armament and attire remain mostly unchanged (with perhaps only the absence of arm guards). The expressions on his face are portrayed as slightly more comical and lighthearted than before, so that regardless of what expression he makes, the expressions themselves seem relatable. Additionally, there is a lot of interpersonal interaction in this installment, so the expressions became much richer. -- Kobayashi, designer"
 * There's not really much I can say to better explain it than the quote does. I think it's worth mentioning this about him on the page. 00:39, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Link's reincarnation (revisited..)
Fi: "Thank you, Master Link. May we meet again in another life..."

In my view, this quote suggests that Link reincarnates. Although one could assume that anyway, it's better to have a quote. Since this is pretty important, I'm putting it here first so that others can leave feedback if they disagree. Zeldafan1982 00:36, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Link's height
Not sure if this is worth putting in the trivia or not, but in OoT Link is 170 cm, or 5'7" tall as an adult. You can verify this at the Lake Hylia lab by wearing the Iron Boots in the water tank. Relevant? --KingStarscream 21:54, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, the First4Figures OoT Link is 8.5 inches tall when standing straight, and being in the same scale as the other figures in that series this information could also be used to determine Darunia (15 inches), Skull Kid (9 inches), and Shiek (9 inches)'s heights. However, they all include the base in their heights while Link does not, so additional calculations would be required. -- Snorlax Monster  15:10, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Just another Link Question
As it is known that MM Link and OoT Link are the same, during the events of MM does Link retain the Triforce of Courage? Or is it returned at the end of OoT? Or does he never claim it because he only obtains it when Ganondorf is infused with the Trifoce of Power, and that does not happen as he is still a child? Is there any canonical evidence to support his MM claim over the Triforce piece? --Smighty 01:28, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * As the Triforce was never split in the child timeline, my guess would be no, Link does not have the Triforce of Courage in Majora's Mask. On the other hand, later in the timeline, Twilight Princess Ganon somehow had the Triforce of Power, meaning it may yet have been split, likely giving the remaining Triforce fragments to Zelda and Link... I don't think there's any support either way, but my best guess is that, somehow, the Triforce being split was carried through all three branches of the timeline, hence why in the Downfall branch, they always sit on separate pedestals, until the end of AoL, and why it is split in Twilight Princess. Far from canon, but take my theory as you will. KafeiDallab 01:50, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * In the last scene of OoT, Link's Triforce mark glows so he has the ToC (also confirmed in HH), which means that the other Triforce pieces went to Zelda and Ganon, hence the scene in the TP backstory where Ganon is executed and the ToP activates (he had it beforehand but didn't know it since he didn't enter the Sacred Realm in the CT). I don't see why Link shouldn't have his piece during the events of MM. On a side note, you'll get more feedback if you ask this in a forum :) Zeldafan1982 02:29, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Appreciate the responses guys :) I didn't expect such immediate answers. I don't think ill be needing to post anything in a forum, I've come to really like the community here and I think my question was resolved well. Thanks --Smighty 03:05, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, the reason its better to use the forum for these kind of questions is that talk pages are supposed to be for discussion the page itself, not the topic of the page. Asking questions like that is not relevant to the wiki and doesn't belong on talk pages. -- Snorlax Monster  06:19, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Noted. Well, best deleted then I spose? --Smighty 06:25, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * No point deleting comments once they're made. Just don't use talk pages as a forum in future. -- Snorlax Monster  07:15, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The Hyrule Historia indicates that although they didn't actually possess the pieces, the fact that they will have once had had the pieces means they were still chosen, even in the past. If I'm reading it correctly, that's why Ganon couldn't die in the Arbiter Grounds: He was chosen to recieve the Triforce of Power and hadn't yet.KrytenKoro 16:21, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Link in SSB4, should we add it on trivia or somewhere??
SSB4 Link is actually TP Link but with some color modifications. Check this: http://n4g.com/news/1289062/a-closer-look-at-links-smash-for-wii-u-model-and-why-it-shouldnt-be-similar-to-zelda-us-art-style. You can read the full story if you want to...If you notice in the SSB4 opening, Link is shown briefly with Hyrule Castle behind him http://24.media.tumblr.com/91fe70dd364f11d8bbc31211d06db316/tumblr_moiadk0wfv1rtkss6o1_500.gif. If you see clearly that castle it's actually Hyrule Castle from Twilight Princess: http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/1774/image53w.jpg. Yes, it's the same castle. At last: I'll show some compariosns between both Links: http://gengame.net/2013/06/super-smash-bros-wii-u-side-by-side-comparison-with-brawl/. In other words, it is the same hero from Twilight Princess. --Isamisa 16:32, 1 August 2013 (UTC)