Talk:Rosso

"Goron"
Where does it actually say Rosso is a Goron? He has Hylian ears. Dekler (talk) 14:19, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

I think, based on his Goron-like but also Hylian-like appearance, combined with the presence of both the Goron symbol and hair, that he is a result of Goron evolution, like the Rito and Koroks of The Wind Waker being evolved Zoras and Kokiri respectively. Fyrisvellir (talk) 08:20, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Either that or he's half-Goron. Fyrisvellir (talk) 08:21, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Rosso displays characteristics of both species: Hylian Ears and clothing, and the build of a Goron + their symbol. It would be speculation to call him just Hylian or just Goron, so in my opinion we should list his species as Hylian/Goron.--LordM (talk) 04:39, 1 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure Rosso is Hylian. He does have some Goron-esque traits, but his skin color, eyes, and red hair don't exactly scream "Goron". Then, too, he's shown to enjoy throwing rocks, but if he were a Goron, wouldn't he prefer to eat them? I think it would be a lot safer to just call him a Hylian for now, and maybe put in a theory section about him possibly being, or being related to, a Goron. It has some evidence in its favor and obviously has some community support, so it should be acceptable as a theory, but it seems too unsupported to warrant being put in as fact. Setras (talk) 04:57, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * His skin color and eyes bear a strong resemblance to the Gorons in FSA, more so than any Hylian, combine that with his build, the fact that he lives on Death Mountain, and the presence of the Goron symbol, and I think that he has equal evidence for being part of either race.--LordM (talk) 09:29, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Rosso should be listed as a Hylian. I think his Goron-like features should be listed as trivia, not a theory. Rosso wearing the Goron symbol on his belt is not evidence that he is a Goron. His hair and belt are clearly homages to Darunia, but that doesn't make him a Goron. --Joshua (Yumil) (talk) 15:27, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Race Debate
Given some who have raised issues over proof of Rosso's race, I propose to remove the race from his info box entirely until we have direct confirmation of his race. However, the theory section where speculation about his race is raised should remain, as it is under a proper theory section and label, and there are multiple pieces of evidence that are worthy of mention (appearance, living/working on Death Mountain, Goron symbol, etc). Ghirahim87 (talk) 20:23, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Look at Rosso's body structure, Rosso is big and muscular, but he definitely doesn't have rock-like compositions on his body like Gorons have. Also, he does not live on Death Mountain, he lives next to the Lost Woods, but his work place is on Death Mountain. Rosso can't be a Goron because he doesn't eat rocks, he breaks them for a living, he has ears, and does ot bear any symbols on his body at all.  Not only that, his portrait is found in the Ice Temple, you can't base species just because his "Belt" has the Goron Symbol engraved on it.  --Vaati The Wind Demon (talk) 20:44, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It is clear he is not strict Hylian, and the symbols have been used to indicate relations to other races in the past, see . He is clearly meant to evoke the look and feel of Gorons.  The theory section should stay and no official race should be listed for him until we have specification by the developers.  Ghirahim87 (talk) 21:16, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Theories are fine, as long as they are explained properly. If your refering to Makar, Medli and Kamali, Eiji Aonuma said that the Rito Tribe evolved from the Zora Tribe and the Korok Tribe evolved from the Kokiri Tribe, so it's obvious that they would be using the same symbols because technically, they are the same. But we can't use that on Rosso because he doesn't have a *Group* of his own like Makar, Medli, and Kamali do and Gorons still existed in that timeline. Also, no olden Zoras, besides Laruto's Spiritual Soul or olden Kokiris besides Fado's Spiritual Soul appear in either the Adult Timeline, Wind Waker, or Spirit Tracks as of yet, just treasures from the Zora Tribe have ever been mentioned or seen from them, however, Gorons in the flesh have appeared in Spirit Tracks unchanged. In the Decline Era, the only time I can recall that Gorons have appeared where in Holidrum and Labrynna, unchanged too. --Vaati The Wind Demon (talk) 22:34, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The same grounds that were used to justify the ancestry of those from can easily be applied to Rosso.  There isn't a thing different between these cases.  Just because Gorons appeared during the era of the Oracle games does not mean that the Goron race and the Hylian race may have mingled in Hyrule in between.  Your arguments against Rosso being of Goron descent seem very flimsy to me, as they aren't grounded in rational thought.  It's pretty clear the game developers intended us to recognize him to be of Goron descent in some way.  Ghirahim87 (talk) 04:26, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * No it's not, your basing your arguments of Rosso being part Goron on one little symbol, and yes there is a thing different bettween these cases, have you actually played A Link Between Worlds? First, you claimed he lived in Death Mountain, when his house is next right to the Lost Woods, to me, your arguments are the one that aren't very rational.  Look at Rosso's artwork very carefully, he barely has any traits of a Goron besides both being *Big and Muscular*.  He may be a reincarnation of Darunia, but he doesn't have to be part Goron to be his new form.  --Vaati The Wind Demon (talk) 12:10, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I have played it through four times now, thank you very much. He lives at the foot of Death Mountain and works on it.  The real question here is have you played the game?  He is clearly not all Hylian and appears to be part Goron, and the presence of the symbol is all the more reason to believe this no matter how much you may want to say otherwise.  The game developers did not put the Goron symbol on him of all people in the game just for s**ts and giggles as you claim, they often never do things like that by accident.  In this case, their intent is abundantly clear to most.  You really have no case here because your sole reason for raising this stink is that you don't think all the evidence matters, when most others disagree.  I advise you to give up this pointless argument and actually play the game through thoroughly.  Ghirahim87 (talk) 15:28, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

I never said it was for *Swear Word and Giggles* at all. As far as I know, you and I are the only ones who have pitched in here so no, most people do not agree with you at all, because all I've heared from you is basic slander against my points, if you've actually bothered reading them for once, and if they intened him to be *Part Goron* then he would have *Inhereted* some traits of a Goron, but not, his figure is completely human and his body has no traits of a Goron, no symbols, on his arms or body or no rock-like anything, not a single one. The symbol is most likely to describe that he is a reincarnation of Darunia. I have played the game twice, his portrait is found in the Ice Temple, as for the emblem, you're using this "evidence" as if it is you precious trump card, but all it is is only an emblem. It's obvious that Rosso is mean't to be a reference to the Goron Tribe, but that doesn't mean he is part Goron or is part of this tribe. Evidence, what evidence, there is no solid evidence proving he is part Goron, besides you opinions saying so. I'm done, because this arguing is gonna get no where, and you still haven't read any of my points thoroughly yet about Rosso's body design from what you have written. --Vaati The Wind Demon (talk) 16:13, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * You are raising issues over nothing and looking for trouble where there is none. And yes, actually a big majority of people in my experience agree that he is likely of Goron descent and for obvious reasons.  I have spoken to about 15 friends about the game, and they all said the same thing.  You make for a distinct minority on this issue.  You keep raising the Ice Ruins as an excuse, but you fail to realize that EVERYTHING in Lorule is the inversion of its Hyrulean counterpart.  As Death Mountain is an active volcano in Hyrule, so is it a frozen mountain in Lorule.  Let's examine the evidence:


 * Rosso's appearance: He CLEARLY has some relation to the Gorons just by looking at him.  While he has Hylian ears, EVERY other part of his body SCREAMS Goron.
 * Rosso's home: He lives at the foot of Death Mountain, the known home of (you guessed it) the GORONS in the past.
 * Rossos's job: He spends his days mining in Death Mountain and dealing with rocks.  Now where have we seen this before?  Hmm.....mining.....rocks.....connecting the dots here, they intersect at (you guessed it again) the GORONS (see, , , etc etc etc).
 * Rosso's attire: He dresses in an unusual fashion from other Hylians and is wearing a funny symbol on his belt buckle......now where have we seen that symbol before.....Oh yeah!  We have seen it COUNTLESS times as the symbol of (you guessed it yet again) the GORONS.
 * Color of Rosso's painting: Rosso is trapped in the red painting in the collection of Sages.....hmmmm now which Sage was associated with the color red in the past....Oh yeah, that's right!  It was Darunia, the GORON Sage of Fire who lived on (you guessed it) Death Mountain!  And where was Rosso's painting held in Lorule....Oh that's right!  He was held in the Lorulean counterpart of Death Mountain!


 * Need I say more here???? Ghirahim87 (talk) 17:23, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * All you've basically done was try to make me into a bad guy in this situation, so I'm not the one trying to make trouble. I'm not here to argue for the fun of it like you claimed, I'm trying to reason in a civilized manor, but you using terms like "You're doing this for Swear Word and Giggles" and "You're a minority in this issue" is not only uncivilized, but it also implies you are trying to make a good guy bad guy situation out of this argument, and that's why I'm ending it after this post.  There is no simalarities between this http://zeldawiki.org/images/f/f3/LargeManALBW.png and this most detailed work of a Goron http://zeldawiki.org/images/9/97/TPGoron.png besides both being big and muscular, lets get others "From this Site and not in your say-sos" to have a say in this.  Oh and the Ice Ruins wassn't my only "excuse", and yes, I know Lorule is Hyrule's opposite in many things.  A lot of Hylians dress differently, doesn't mean anything in this case.  He spends his days mining yes, but not by eating or rolling into stones like Gorons do.  Alright, I've shared and repeated myself over enough my work here is done, I want others to contribute in this now.  --Vaati The Wind Demon (talk) 18:02, 8 December 2013 (UTC)