User talk:Farewell to Gibdos

Hi; just wanted to say thanks for the great job you've done improving The Golden Goddesses recently! You've taken what was basically a stub and made it into a highly descriptive and comprehensive article. One thing I noticed however, is that you have now made 185 individual revisions to the article over the past 7 weeks. Just as a small tip; you could use the "Show Preview" button before saving changes, which allows you to combine multiple smaller edits into one. This makes it much easier for others to follow the progression of the article, and doesn't clog up the recent changes so much. Anyway, keep up the good work ;) --Adam (talk) 05:33, 20 January 2008 (EST)

Thanks, sorry about that.--Farewell to Gibdos 17:17, 22 January 2008 (EST)

Connections
Nayru's Pearl has the symbol of the Tune of Ages on it. This is similar to the shape of the Zora's Sapphire, but different. Jabun is the sea spirit.

Din's Pearl is held by followers of Valoo, the sky spirit. Is Din the Sky Goddess? The Rito may hold Din's Pearl, but they also have the symbol of either stylized Zora or Nayru's Pearl on their clothes. And they are not really raptors. The Owl, sometimes named Kaepora Gaebora, is commonly called "wise" in the games. Also, the Gorons are never associated with Din. They hold the goron's Ruby at one point - but this is not Din's Pearl. It is the Goron's Ruby. Din is mainly the Earth Goddess - fire is just an attribute. In any case, the Gorons are living stones, not firey, so that connection really doesn't work either.

Farore's Pearl is held by Deku Tree, the earth spirit. Is Farore the Earth Goddess? The Kokiri's Emerald is also held with the Deku Tree, and the Kokiri are forest spirits, but there is little to no evidence that the spiritual stones have any connection to the pearls besides being another triad of red/blue/green items needed to get a sword. Look at the Pure Metals in PH - same concept, completely unrelated.

The Pearls have designs from Oracle of Ages. It's mostly aesthetics - for example, what does Din have to do with Currents?

Snakes may have some connection to cunning, but wisdom, not so much. Raptors such as owls are generally associated with wisdom, instead. And herd animals like goats are hardly at all associated with courage. Monkeys, more with curiosity - you might make a connection between curiosity and courage, but it is very specious. The whole thing reads like this has been revealed in the games, by developers, or in real-world culture, but it simply hasn't been.

PS - there's not yet been a Deku Forest. Deku Woods, yes, but that's in Labrynna.

The three spirits of TWW are sea, sky, and earth - like Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza. It's simply a triad, and they're not the only spirits that have held parts of a triad.

I could give you the three great fairies of FS, since they are actually designed like the three oracles - this is kind of specious, but you have the Great Butterfly Fairy (of Flames), the Great Mayfly Fairy (of Ice), and the Great Dragonfly Fairy (of Forest).

That backing might work, but the goddesses have not been confined to any races, and the Spiritual Stones are merely described as the races' treasures - they might have been found or taken by those races, instead of given. The Zora's Sapphire is treated like an engagement ring! And the Gorons see the Goron's Ruby as food!

In fact, the most damning evidence is that they were created to seal the door - meaning that they were created by the sages, long after the Goddesses stopped majorly interfering. There's no connection there. I used to agree with you, and saw the same connections, but looking at the info, there's no connection there.KrytenKoro 23:12, 22 January 2008 (EST)


 * I agree with most of what you are saying, but certain recurrent themes do connect the Goddesses to the elements. Not every element is exclusively attributed to a particular Goddess, but there are connections present.


 * The Zora's Sapphire is nearly indistinguishable from the symbol of the Tune of Ages, and on more than one occasion Nayru has been associated with both water and time.


 * The purpose for the jewels is to open the Door of Time, however it is never revealed how or by whom they were created. As you stated, there is no reason to believe that the Goddesses had anything to do with the creation of the artifacts. But, that does not mean that the Goddesses are not connected to the stones at all. Din being associated with fire inherently associates her with the Spiritual Stone of Fire.


 * Din is associated with the Earth, primarily because she is it's creator. More importantly, Din is the Goddess of Power, the one thing that the Gorons respect in their society. And as living stones, they are associated with the element of Earth. Saying that the Gorons viewed the Ruby as food is not necessarily accurate. One Goron stated that he'd like to eat it, but clearly Darunia did not share his sentiment, and regardless of that, how highly or little the respective races value the gems isn't really important.


 * Din is never stated to be the Goddess of the Sky, however, she is associated with it by several themes in various games (The Rito having her pearl, Valoo being a fire breathing Dragon who resides within a volcano, Eldin having the appearance of a bird.) In the real world, yes, Owls are associated with wisdom, but that may or may not be the case in Hyrule, and it does not necessarily dissassociate Din from raptors altogether. But now that I think of it, you might be right about the Rito not being raptors, although they resemble birds. They don't even naturally have wings. They are, however, associated with Din.


 * Regarding the comment about snakes: in different cultures different animals have different connotations. Depending on the culture, several animals are associated with virtues that aren't necessarily synonymous with their real world counterparts.


 * None of what I've stated is explicitly revealed in game, but it is repetitively advocated in game after game.


 * Let's continue this discussion on the article's discussion page, so that we can get the input of others.--Farewell to Gibdos 18:37, 23 January 2008 (EST)