User:Servantofgod

Obvious Improvements to Zelda games
-Advantages of a 3DS port would include being able to clear up the bottom of the screen of that prominent clock timer by displaying it on the touchscreen. The 3D would be very useful for the battle with Twinmold where perspective is often difficult to measure. Another pro would be the ability to browse the bomber's notebook and make notes.
 * Majora's Mask

-There is no lock-on function despite Link being able to detect the locations of items and enemies. If Nintendo had applied a lock-on to the left shoulder button and an optional trigger to the right for items it would have immensely improved the game (vice versa for lefty)Unfortunately, Nintendo didn't think we had pinkies or other fingers let alone an entire FREE HAND to utilize buttons. Ideally the optional trigger would also be used to map items to, sans perhaps the sword. The directional advantage being necessary for Spirit Tracks' final battle.
 * Phantom Hourglass/Spirit Tracks

Things to be found

 * Kotaku article about Nintendo establishing a Zelda council to watch over the lore.
 * Yoshiaki Koizumi ONM full interview "Majora's Mask came to me in a dream"
 * Translation pending of dutch Aonuma interview.

= NOTES (Things to edit/Clean up)= *Clearup Zora trivia section. > Zora's Spawn. Further analysis of JP texts needed, i.e. what are they called IN JAPAN??!! DUH~!

Pending edit for clarity and elaboration. In, two classes of river Zoras live in Hyrule; a blue one-eyed species and the green double-eyed variant of ALttP (technically, both the game and its guide only call the former "Zora", while the green version at best is called "creature", despite being the same sprite as used previously for A Link to the Past and Ancient Stone Tablets''). The blue Zora appears to be based on Zora sprites of the original Zelda, while its single eye might come from the Kus from A Link to the Past. Blue Zoras appear to vastly outnumber the green variety.''

Could it be green Zora are female, whereas the blue are male as in ALBW? Or does it perhaps vary by age or class? King Zora of ALttP is both green in-game and in artwork. Look up Alttp guide to see whether it is Zora King and possible relation to Zora ALttP earring (I.e. confirmation of a royal link via Prince Ralis' earing? Must investigate further.)

*King Gustaf - Does King Gustaf refer to the Light Force BY NAME or by another form. Further analysis of JP texts needed. - Further analysis needed on his "a long time ago" quote in JP. (Check LA on this.)

*War of the Bound Chest - Comparison of backstory to stained glass legend needed in JP. (Check LA on this.)

*Skyward Sword - Impa says countless eons have passed, Owlan and Zelda both say thousands of years. Further analysis of JP texts needed. (Find and provide Aria w/ links from http://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRVOMzMTjyiDXtQowdWgN703b-eOGqkFU&desktop_uri=%2Fplaylist%3Flist%3DPLRVOMzMTjyiDXtQowdWgN703b-eOGqkFU

*Ordona - translation of text on concept art needed. TOP PRIORITY

*LD Models designation mystery - Why are the Ancient Robots designated by that prefix when they were created prior to Lanayru becoming a desert?

> Possible answer: It was a desert previously. The robot with Lanayru even tells you few things can grow in that arid environment. This implies the Lanayru region even when lush is known to be notoriously low in nutrient? Referred reading: http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/zelda-theorizing/154867-the-origin-of-the-ancient-robots.html

>> The frieze of the Gates of Time in the Fire Sanctuary also show the land as desert (the engraving dating to the time of Hylia). This implies that during this period in Hylia's Age, the region either was desert, or was foreknown to become desert. (( Either are likely, given the implications of time-travel for the latter. However the fact that Ancient Flowers become extinct due to only growing in a verdant climate, and the ARobots are dependent on them (and are one of the 5 races; and presumably modeled for desert labor given their name) means that it had to be fertile in Hylia's Age at least before Lanayru took over.)

>>> According to Zelda.com this happened only AFTER the reckless over-harvesting of the region's resources, but this contradicts the ARobot's disclaimer of Lanayru having poor soil in the past (which postdates the frieze as it's of Hylia's Age and related to the Gate of Times). Zelda.com: "The Lanayru region was once a lush, green landscape, but due to the irresponsible actions of its past inhabitants, the natural resources of the area have been stripped dry." This also supports the idea of subsequent over-mining of Faron and Eldin provinces, perhaps when those were depleted. Hence why a Beetle was left behind in the Skyview Temple. Supporting info: The robot in the desert immediately recognizes and alters the Beetle. During the development, the Beetle was a Rocket Fist. However, if this were the case, then Faron would realize Lanayru was dead. The Skyview Temple has also been sealed since ancient times presumably. Hence why the Bokoblins had to break in through the second chamber.


 * FURTHER INFO ON DATING ACTIVITY OF ROBOT CLASSES:

Here is a list of the Lanayru Desert class of automatons: RS-002G Don Gerā(Don Geller?)[LD-002S Scervo] On wikipage: Curiously, internal Skyward Sword files show his name as LD-002G Scervo; this is his name in the European version, which was released first. The US localisation team probably made this change specifically for the US version, for unknown reasons. What on earth is this saying? RS-003K Don Kirā(Don Killer?)[LD-003D Dreadfuse] RS-301C(for Cuccubo, perhaps) Kukkubo[LD-301N(for Spanish “Nelsonbot,” perhaps)[LD-301N Skipper] Sarubo(Salvo?)[LD-301S Scrapper]

Here, a “series” is described by LD-###; the letters affixed to the end are to be distinguished from the series itself. This results in three distinct series of LD-class automatons: LD-301, LD-002, and LD-003. The LD-301 series is the mining series, while LD-002 and LD-003 both appear to be combat series, with only one example each: LD-002G Don Gerā and LD-003K Don Kirā. Interestingly, LD-003K Don Kirā appears in the Sky Keep, suggesting that it is serving its original function there. Additionally, LD-002G Don Gerā is described as “mutinous,” having stolen a ship from the command of LD-301C Kukkubo; this suggests that LD-002G Don Gerā served under LD-301C Kukkubo beforehand. All LD Class Automatons appear to be of the same group, serving under Dragon Lanayru for mining and special defense operations. LD-002G Don Gerā possibly previously served defending the Nayru's Flame ship while LD-003K Don Kirā appears to have served in defending the Sky Keep, both ostensibly Demon War operations. It is unclear to me, however, whether or not the mining operations and the construction of Lanayru Stone Refinery were specifically a result of the Demon War. source

Other resource: Fi

"This arid region was transformed into a desert over the course of several hundred years." "We have arrived at Lanayru Desert. The terrain in this area changed dramatically as climate forces rapidly turned it into a desert."


 * TIMELINE:

Edenic Era > Halcyon days of old when the Fire Sanctuary was built. Hylia's Hero lived.

Demon War occurs

Hylia's Age Ends > 5 races appointed to Dragons

/Return Point of Gate of Time The wounds of the Land have not yet healed ((Although why wasn't Faron present at the ending? Did the Ghirahim's barrier prevent her from interfering?))

'''- COUNTLESS EONS (or thousands of years)... -'''

Time-shift saved state 1,000 years before SS (Going by thousand year aracha)

Lanayru dies of illness

Several "hundred years" turn the region to desert > So little time that Faron has yet to learn of Lanayru's passing. (Though this means the frieze was a prophecy for the Gates to come into use only after the region was desert. (Something that Ghirahim should have noted he was playing into the hands of.))

Current SS time period

Other Resource: Fi's comment on Ampilus - ''These monsters have inhabited the desert for eons. It is also said they live to a very old age.''

I was under the impression she mentions taking it back from him after telling Link to go find him and give an earful about his neglect of the region.
 * Note does Faron give Lanayru to her brother?

> Shad confirms Sky Writing is different from Hylian script (which can be related to, given its representation in English), as only he can read it.
 * Book of Mudora/Ancient Sky Book/Gaepora's Book

> Yet the Book of Mudora is used to translate undated Hylian writing in the desert.

> The writing in the desert and throughout Skyward Sword is still consistent despite thousands of years passing since Age of Hylia. > So, the Book of Mudora being read by Gaepora can only be a sky book. Which though being brown from age, retains the seal of Farore and was once owned by the messenger of the gods. Likely passed down from Gaepora himself as a record of the pre-Hyrulean surface; this makes all three one in the same, or the Book of Mudora a replica with a translation by Shad. Hence why Link is able to read it in modern Hylian. This also fits with why he wouldn't be able to read the Pedestal of Time in the Lost Woods grove. It's what remains of the Temple of Hylia and so is written in Sky Script!

- Tingle subtley yet distinctly appears in the concept art for the Ancient Carnival of Time. This syncs with his claim to be a reincarnation but otherwise would be without purpose were it not for future appearances. Yet Aonuma says he was not always meant to be so vital to the plot. So which is it?
 * Tingle

- "An evil version of the Parella" of the same species family as Kalle Demos. This one-eyed parasite bears a resemblance to Faron and Oren with its six parted "fins." They branched off the Parella long ago. Parella resemble Baris, to which Barinade is related and features a battle akin to Kalle Demos'.
 * Bilocyte

> Interestingly the third time a whale has been afflicted by a parasitic entity in the series.

> "We originally planned to have a race that closely resembled the Zora, but we were told to design a more primitive race, and the idea was rejected." - designers on SS (Hyrule Historia)

Multiple locations in Zelda named after former landmarks. For instance Zora's Domain(OoT) moves northward from it's location to above Hyrule Castle in TP, where it features a place called the Mother and Child Rocks. In The Wind Waker, the Mother and Child Isle is named after it (although in release order it is vice versa). This isle is next to Spectacle Island.
 * Landmarks

Ancient Stone Tablet's Relation to Link's Awakening
It is mentioned in the game text that Link has been absent from Hyrule for some time. Considering that Ancient Stone Tablets was a sequel of sorts to A Link to the Past, fans have used this as evidence proving that Link's Awakening is placed after A Link to the Past in the Zelda Timeline. While this may have been true for its time, Link's Awakening has since been confirmed to take place after the Oracle series according to the official timeline in the artbook Hyrule Historia. Sahasrahla and Zelda find themselves in need of a new hero, after their AlttP ally had left Hyrule on a journey of enlightenment, to gain the wisdom that would temper him to withstand the next threat to his homeland. There is also one line of dialogue specifically referencing the hero being unable to leave the "dream". Given that the time passed between ALttP and LA is unknown beyond the "months of travel" it can be deduced that Link's Awakening takes place 6 years after. This is consistent with his much older appearance in the official artwork by Katsuya Terada. If Link is assumed to be 16 in ALttP, that would make him 22 in LA.

= Notable Exchanges (Paraphrased) =

Interloper King?
In TP, Midna mentions the fact that the Interlopers "lost [their] king to... greed", but the nature of this king is not delved into. Meanwhile, Demise (or at least the Imprisoned) was shown to break apart and coalesce into his seal in almost exactly the same manner as the Fused Shadow fragments, and his hair in both forms resembles fragmenting shards of Twilight. It may also be worth mentioning that, before the final battle, Ghirahim erected a barrier around the Sealed Grounds, and the pegs studding that barrier looked very similar to the spears of light Midna wielded in her Fused Shadow form. Based on all this, is it possible, and so worth mentioning, that Demise may have been the "lost" Interloper king, and gave the Interlopers their power? Setras 04:07, 20 March 2013 (UTC)


 * It's an interesting theory. The only problem is HH seems to say on page 113 that the Interlopers only came around long after the events of Skyward Sword:

"Long, long ago, the people of the world were filled with piety, and the land knew many years of peace. Before long, however, conflict began to arise in the sacred realm called Hyrule. People began to appear who were proficient with magic, and they attempted to control this sacred realm with their powers. The gods dispatched four Light Spirits, who sealed the usurpers' magic into Fused Shadows..." 12:31, 20 March 2013 (UTC)


 * There are many quotes from TP that, unfortunately, were not translated properly. Here's a re-translation of this quote (link):
 * "教えてやるよ・・・オマエが長として 認められなかったのは、その目だ！ 瞳の奥に潜む欲望が、古代の一族のように 力に支配されると　王は危懼したからさ！
 * jacensolo06: I’ll tell you why you weren’t recognized as leader…It was those eyes! It was because desire lurks in the depths of your eyes and the king feared one who would be ruled by power like the ancient clan was.


 * Jumbie: I'll have you know... The reason why you were not accepted in the position of the leader is your eyes! Because the king feared that desire lying hidden in your pupils, due to which the clan of ancient times got controlled by power!


 * NOA: Traitors, ha! You want to know why none would call you king? It was your eyes, Zant. All saw it, a lust for power burning in your pupils... Did you think we'd forget our ancestors lost their king to such greed?" Zeldafan1982 22:06, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Ah. Well that's unfortunate. Thanks for setting the record straight, though! Setras 22:59, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

1. Demise still could be the "ancient clan's" king, presuming that they predate Skyward Sword. He would thusly serve as the reason why the contemporary deceased king feared such eyes, as Zant and Demise share very similar ones. You can imagine NOA with the JP textdump, cockily interpreting the king as an unseen irrelevant actor, thereby the remaining sentence must also be inconsequential to the lore; resulting in a change of "ancient clan" to a nondescript "ancestors" and him from a benefactor to a malefactor.

2. The quote "Before long, however, conflict began to arise in the sacred realm called Hyrule." directly contradicts Twilight Princess' saying that the Sacred Realm are the lands the Goddesses descended upon (and that the people of Hyrule did not know about it until ages later), which is further implied to be different if they and the Siren Realm are one. In fact while I'm at it, the quote "The gods dispatched four Light Spirits, who sealed the usurpers' magic into Fused Shadows" is also factually wrong. '''FIRSTLY, Ordona was not counted among the Light Spirits then. There were three that were appointed to seal the Interlopers.''' Secondly, the game never says that or insinuates they were the participants of any such thing. The Fused Shadow is actually a catalyst of the Interloper's dark magic, as the JP script conveys better in saying it made them into giants. The Light Spirits just sealed it, before sealing away the Interlopers separately. Moreover, the Fused Shadow while capable of corrupting its users in time ala the One Ring (see Lanayru's deterrent to Link), may be morally ambiguous for all the audience knows; hence Midna's ability to use it and remain herself, unless only the Twili or regal descendants of the Interlopers may wield such power.

3. Last but not least, The Interloper story fits best pre-SS with the timespan depicted in "Lanayru's warning," in each text bubble: The creation of the world > the gods departure and giving of equal power to all races > the Sacred Realm where the Triforce resides is revered > long age of peace > Sacred Realm rumors stir strife (Now it does say through Hyrule, however given the context it would more than likely be speaking of the world not the country). If the Interloper War is post-SS, then it would
 * ignore the apocalyptic war and the ongoing in-story diegesis of Skyloft's militant culture, the latter of which is foreshadowed in TP elsewhere by the Hero's Shade (as is the former if it's the same war).
 * not account for how the Sacred Realm's knowledge was lost between SS and TMC except to the Deku Tree, Royal Family/Sheikah, Ganondorf, and an NPC in castle town. ((The War of the Bound Chest does occurs between, however the evils of it are sealed inside said chest and the events do not match the description of the IW (the lack of the Light Force or hero.) and regardless would not explain how the information was lost. The only other known war before OoT is the Seal War, however that story is about the storing of the Triforce in the Sacred Realm and creation of the Temple of Time which would only further knowledge of it as seen by the Seal War being Hyrule's oldest legend in ALBW. Additionally the aforementioned NPC in OoT: Legends say that the Temple of Time is the entrance to the Sacred Realm... Did you know that?)

I think we can discredit any say of Hyrule Errata on the topic. It even pulled the term "usurper" describing the Twili out of its intended context from Zant's boss name (which is to say "Usurper King Zant" as in Zant is usurping king of the Twili. Not King OF the usurpers.)

Servantofgod (talk) 04:58, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

= Ocarina of Time Routes Schematic =

These are the 7 canon ways. A first-timer could beat the game this way with minimal to no effort to discover except the fifth one, as it necessitates memorizing the desert to reach the Spirit before completion of Water (for the Lens of Truth) The other 7 count by means of entry. You can enter but not complete the Water until you have the Bow.
 * Forest - Fire - Water - Shadow - Spirit_
 * Forest - Fire - Water - Spirit - Shadow_
 * Forest - Water - Fire - Shadow - Spirit_
 * Forest - Water - Fire - Spirit - Shadow_
 * Forest - Water - Spirit - Fire - Shadow_
 * Fire - Forest - Water - Shadow - Spirit_
 * Fire - Forest - Water - Spirit - Shadow_
 * Fire - Water - Forest - Shadow - Spirit_
 * Fire - Water - Forest - Spirit - Shadow_
 * Water - Forest - Fire - Shadow - Spirit_
 * Water - Forest - Fire - Spirit - Shadow_
 * Water - Forest - Spirit - Fire - Shadow_
 * Water - Fire - Forest - Shadow - Spirit_
 * Water - Fire - Forest - Spirit - Shadow_

14 total possibilities without scavenging out of order.

=FUN FACTS=
 * Link's triple combo quickspin was included in the game code for Ocarina of Time. However his animation is a few frames too long to connect.
 * Bombs are optional to beating Spirit Tracks.
 * In Skyward Sword Link can perform a high backflip after dropping and taking back a bomb. Doing this from the broken pillar in the Fire Sanctuary will allow Link to land upon the edge of the Leap of Faith reminiscence of the Death Mountain Crater in OoT.