Talk:Misery Mire (Dungeon)

misery mire was my favroite place in zelda. it was so dark and mysterious, I loved it!--Reoko 23:27, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

It's called the Swamp of Evil. The dungeon's name is called Misery Mire. 21:06, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Fixed. Good catch! Dany36 22:52, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I went through a bit of confusion with this. I'm been going through the ALttP guide, and it gives the "Swamp of Evil" the name "Misery Mire" and "Misery Mire" the name "Misery Maze", but I guess when it comes to what's canon, it relies mostly on the games, I guess. Noble Wrot 19:31, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Move Proposal
I've made some observations when doing multilingual name runs, and the term "Misery Mire" appears to be in the same situation as the term Thieves' Town--the name of a dungeon in ALTTP, the name of an outdoor area in ALBW. As per the precedent given to Thieves' Town (discussed here), I propose that the current ALTTP dungeon page be moved to "Misery Mire (A Link to the Past)", with a disambig page placed at "Misery Mire" linking to that, the ALBW Misery Mire, as well as the Swamp of Evil as per precedent of the Thieves' Town disambig. What do you all think? --Shiningpikablu252 (talk) 04:05, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Definitely agree, no argument here. Also to be noted, in Japan, the dungeon and the swamp are both called Devil's Swamp, and I assume Misery Mire is called Devil's Swamp in ALBW as well (I need to check soon). Misery Mire and Swamp of Evil are both alternate translations of the same name, the English version just separated the dungeon and region with different names. Pretty much exactly the same as Thieves' Town. 14:42, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree too, although I don't understand why we haven't done the same for other locations like the Swamp Palace. Have we agreed against making that a disambiguation, or is it just that nobody's gotten round to it? Forgive me I've been gone a while. 15:02, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Mostly that nobody has got around to it, I believe. Probably best to keep the dungeons separate, even though Lorule is basically Dark World 2. Way too messy to have two dungeons on the same page even if they are very similar. 15:22, 3 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'll go ahead and start the move-disambiguation process for those that still need it. Granted, there are some users like KrytenKoro that might freak (KrytenKoro brough up on the talk pages for Eastern Palace ALBW and Tower of Hera ALBW that those pages should actually be merged back into the pages of their ALTTP counterparts simply because "they're the same building")...
 * No. I'm fine with splitting the pages if it's to clearly segregate the gameplay info from two different games, but currently we have stuff like Tower of Hera, which claims that the two dungeons are separate. They're not, not in the way the Forest Temples or Water Temples are. It's the same concept as with Hyrule Castle -- it is manifestly the same building, at a different point in time. That is traditionally communicated on this wiki by keeping the information on the same page, but it's also still to honest to split them as long as it's made clear they are the same topic -- Eastern Palace currently says it's merely "similar" to the building from ALttP. That's to say nothing of the FSA dungeons. It would be accurate to say something like...

"The Desert Palace is the third Light World dungeon in, and later reappears in, also named the Desert Palace. It also appears in within the Child Timeline as the Desert Temple. In , the Desert Palace is replaced in the Dark World by Misery Mire, while in , it extends into Lorule's Misery Mire"

So, clearly separating each dungeon per game, but also making it clear when there is a true reuse of a landmark, rather than something like the Fire Temple in, , and .KrytenKoro (talk) 18:42, 3 January 2014 (UTC)