Talk:Zora

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I archived the page, it's over 27K. None of the discussions on it were current. And mostly like the topics were wrapped up on the page. Also Archive page will be protected to prevent new posts to discussions. 04:30, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Salt Water
Could someone who has played Majora's Mask and Oracle of Ages add something about Zoras living in salt water? All the games I've played show them living exclusively in fresh water and it's odd that they're not present in the salt water covered world of Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass. There seems to be a lot of confusion over this point around the 'web, as few real-world fish species are capable of surviving in both environments. --Rootbeer277 14:10, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * But there aren't too many Zoras swimming in the sea anyway. Most of them are in Zora Hall. Plus, that's in Termina, they may be able to swin in salt water, similar to how Gorons are able to stay underwater in Hyrule (TP) while Terminan Gorons can't.--K2L 02:34, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Ruto and Lulu's boobs
Biologically speaking, female zoras shouldn't have boobs since it is shown in Majora's Mask that they lay eggs and reproduce like fish, therefore, they should lack breasts, which are exclusive to mammals.

Then again, that's what this world's biology would say, not Hyrule's. :) Ms Froggette 00:00, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes but Zoras are humanoid creatures they may reproduce like fish however they have a humanoid figure so what appears to be boobs may just be a way to distinguish an adult male and female ZoraTheif 1 01:42, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
 * Some mammals lay eggs, some fish give birth to live young. Let Zoras have their boobs in peace. The boob police have already done what they can to cover them up in OoT 3D. Poor censored Ruto! I worry for the day that Twilight Princess is remade and Midna gets some kind of natural bra. Fizzle 06:17, 26 September 2011 (EDT)
 * I just interpreted the "breasts" as part of them being anthropomorphic. I mean, there are no fish with a humanoid body structure with two legs, two arms, and a vertical spine either.  For all we know, maybe they actually suckle those larvae.  Or maybe they're a secondary sexual characteristic with no other function, like a male peacock's tail.  Or hell, maybe they used to prey on humans and the appearance of human secondary sexual traits aided in luring them to their doom. :)--Osteoderm Jacket 17:58, 13 January 2012 (EST)

Spirit Tracks
I havent Completed Spirit Tracks, but the tunnel to underwater in the ocean realm resembles both river zoras, and the zoras helmets in TP. Somebody could add this, and the ruto crown as references to zoras in ST. Id do it, but im sticking to trivia for now. Nicktheslayer 03:06, 28 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Those points are probably better suited as simple trivia points. 09:38, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Probably Not
Is it possible that Zora's name came from Վայոց Ձոր, one of the provinces of Armenia? -- կրակ (խոսել) -- 06:31, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably not. The likelihood of that is about the same as the Zora's name coming from the book entitled Go Gator and Muddy the Water, written by author Zora Neale Hurston. And I thought it was funny that you print screened that little multiple edit thing with Neo from my userpage. That was a joke too, btw =) 06:48, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Bomb Ships
This was pointed out to me and I am still doing some research on it but the bomb ships from The Wind Waker have Zora emblems on them, or Zora like. I don't know if this is the river zora ships from their evolution into Geezard or something that I am just looking to far into but it may perhaps be worth some investigating Theif 1 01:41, 31 May 2011 (EDT)
 * You mean this ship? Where about are the Zora emblems (I'm assuming you mean the Zora Sapphire? I can't see any connection myself. Vuvuzela2010 12:15, 1 June 2011 (EDT)
 * I don't think it was the sapphire, but like I said I am still looking into any connection on it Theif 1 14:15, 1 June 2011 (EDT)

Emblem
Will you guys be adding the emblems for this and other tribes?KrytenKoro 14:24, 26 December 2011 (EST)

Pluralization
I notice the article is inconsistent about whether the plural of "Zora" is "Zoras" or "Zora" (like "sheep"). Do the games consistently use one of these? If they do, we should only use the plural the games use.--Osteoderm Jacket 18:14, 13 January 2012 (EST)

Zora Hall
Does Majora's Mask ever refer to Zora Hall as the Terminian Zora's home or was that just assumed?

It's possible they just live in the ocean/bay and happen to have a concert hall built there for concerts. None of the games have depicted them as having houses after all.

Gills and/or lungs?
While some Zora are never seen in water, King Zora from OoT, for example, other zora seem to be able to stay under water indefinitely and seem to be able to breathe water. examples of this are the Zora tunic from Ocarina of Time and Zora link from Majora's Mask. So are there any theories on gills/lungs floating around? Holyderpface 01:05, 18 March 2013 (UTC)Holy derpface, i just failed epically...

Disambiguation? Or merge?
It's probably about time that both types of Zora were given equal status, given that Sea Zoras have not actually appeared in the series since Twilight Princess, while River Zoras make a prominent appearance in A Link Between Worlds, and were the original type of Zora. Given this, I think that this page should be moved to Sea Zora and replaced with a disambiguation page linking to one or the other.

Alternatively, and I don't really recommend this, but we merge the two pages. However, given how they appear in Oracle of Ages, this is probably a bad idea.

It's also possible that we distinguish them by using the term "Zora" for the monsters and "Zora Tribe" for the friendly variety, but this is probably a little awkward as well.

Also note that while not explicitly stated, there seems to be a direct connection between the two species of Zora implied in A Link Between Worlds, although this was also implied with King Zora in A Link to the Past. 01:22, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

I think the River Zora should remain enemies until a new game, possibly one even throwing light on the subject, comes out. I'm not saying it's Nintendo's fault that they re-instated them in ALBW, but if they hadn't would we be having this convo? They were confirmed to be a feral offshoot or alternative species by the same moniker by Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks. Which, while I would dispute their canonocity over various topics (such as retconning the postman twice; from Rito to a rabbit with wings to a human), this is not one I could bite on because Four Swords Adventures was already discriminating between Blue Zora and the green "monsters" that were established zora before. Ones I would readily call Geozards had ALBW not entered the equation. How about River Zora get updated to "Zora monster" and just keep it the way it is with the distinction their hostile versus hospitable status varies between time periods. Some eras the congenial number being the majority, and other eras they're relegated to defectors (LA & FSA). That would immediately cover every game they're in without conflict. If there is, I would like to hear it. Servantofgod (talk) 02:27, 4 December 2013 (UTC)


 * The postman wasn't retconned, it just was a different character in each game. Honestly, I'm really having trouble trying to understand what you just said. Champion of Nayru (talk) 02:35, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

What wasn't clear about it? :V And yes, I mean they retconned the whole post service twice. Like they stepped over the King of Hyrule's farewell wishes by refounding Hyrule. Anyway, the point is if they didn't know what they were doing. They changed him to a human because they were introducing rabbits in the game, and couldn't have the postman as a confusing factor.Servantofgod (talk) 02:50, 4 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Uh, I'm not sure I follow. And to be honest I've wanted to do this for awhile, it's nothing to do with ALBW, that just happens to help my cause since it shows River Zoras are still just as relevant as the standard variety. River Zoras are not called River Zoras in most games, they're just called Zoras. They're not really a feral offshoot so much as a different interpretation of the same being. They're also much more common in the series as a whole. I'm simply arguing that both Zoras get equal status, because right now since the Zora page covers just Sea Zoras, it's giving them priority.
 * As for Geozards, they're arguably a different thing altogether, despite their similarity to Zoras I'm not sure if they're genuinely related to them.
 * Not sure what the Postman has to do with anything either. 13:03, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

It is possible, even probable I was just wrong. I assumed that the Geozards were in fact Zora Warriors; but checking the source for that as being the awful Prima Guide I desist from this line of debate! I guess I just never shook that instance of mislocalization. I'm glad to be on the same page now and support the motion for equal representation of the Zora peoples. All in favor? Servantofgod (talk) 22:05, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, just to confirm that they have a different name in Japan, and while they were called Zora Warriors in the Phantom Hourglass guide, they were renamed to Geozard in the Spirit Tracks guide to correct this misleading localization. Anyway, I'll probably move this page to Sea Zora soon unless someone majorly objects to the idea, and replace Zora with a disambiguation page. 22:35, 4 December 2013 (UTC)