Talk:Kaepora Gaebora

They are the same.
I relize that there is a line when young link is near the spirit temple that he says that goes agianist this but there are Gossip Stones that say they are the same both are in the same game. Cloakblade 02:07, 19 July 2007 (PDT)

Edit
Merged Kaepola Gaebola article with this one, because I couldn't find a source for the name. The "L" and "R" in Japanese are the same letter, making it seem to me they just have the same name and that the name "Kaepola Gaebola" is a mistranslation (if it actually exists that is). Also removed the note that he is a Sage, because it's not confirmed he is Rauru's Hyrulean manifestation and because he is said to be the reincarnation of a Sage, but not a Sage himself. IfIHaveTo 06:26, 29 December 2007 (EST)


 * Well I'm not sure if you played Majora's Mask but he was officially called IfIHaveTo, it may have been a mistranslation but he's been known as that for seven years.--Green 16:40, 29 December 2007 (EST)


 * MM text dump, *I* can't find the name. And I don't remember it from my playthroughs (yes, I played MM, but I admit it has been awhile since the last time). I can't find the name in the manual and for what it's worth, I can't find it on Zelda.com. So, what is the source of his name? In my experience, there are a lot of terms and names that either don't have an "official" source or have a questionable source, but are still generally considered the official names. I encountered [Talk:Book of Secrets|something like this] earlier today even.IfIHaveTo 16:52, 29 December 2007 (EST)


 * Hmm, I looked through another text dump and I could never find it either. I too haven't played it in a while so I guess we'll just leave it as it is unless someone with proof can confirm it is Kaepola Gaebola.--Green 23:40, 29 December 2007 (EST)


 * I'm pretty sure IfIHaveTo is right. A google search for "Kaepola Gaebola" generates 24 results (11 of which are, or were, from here and ZU!) Compare that to 9,250 for Kaepora Gaebora, and I'd say that nicely reinforces the evidence above. (P.S zelda.com's entry for Kaepora Gaebora states that he appeared in both OoT and MM, as well as LA and FSA.) --Adam 04:45, 30 December 2007 (EST)

Questions.
The page says: Among the theories revolving around Kaepora Gaebora is the idea that the owl is the reincarnation of the Sage of Light, Rauru. This can't be right. Rauru is still alive, and reincarnation implies death. I always disliked that theory. The gossip stone says:"The owl named Kaepora Gaebora is the reincarnation of an ancient Sage." Rauru still living couldn't possibly be an ancient sage.

Also, there are speaking owl statues in the Oracle games. I won't say it's for sure Kaepora Gaebora, but seeing that the Twilight Princess statues recieved a mention here. Should it be included as well?


 * I read that it was mistranslated and they meant incarnation and not reincarnation. So I guess the theory is that he is the incarnation of Rauru outside of the sacred realm.

I've read the gossip stones, amdi thought i remembered it saying "incarnation", it makes plenty of sense that Rauru isn't physically alive if he constantly stays in the chamber of the sages. It makes sense to me either way, plus one gossip stone (one quite close to the other one) says "he is rather light hearted"...does that have anything to do with it?--Stalkid 20:07, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Dead?
What? Who said he was dead? "In Ocarina of Time's adult half, Kaepora Gaebora is dead and his grave can be seen in Lake Hylia".

The grave was there to start with. Besides, you can go underneath it, and there's a room full of Deku Scrubs. No sign of the body.

Is this in the Master Quest version? I haven't played that version yet.

This might be on a different version of the game, but to me, right now this sounds like guesswork.

I'll wait for a while, but if I don't get a reply explaining how someone came to this conclusion (just because he isn't SEEN doesn't mean he's dead), then I think I'll be wiping that. --Yuvorias, 16:17 29 April 2008 (EST)

That can't be right...gravestones are just another way to cover grottos...I'm pretty sure there's one in the crater of death mountain as well. If the incarnation theory is correct (and I strongly believe), he isn't dead, he's Rauru.--Stalkid 20:10, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I remember him sitting on that grave when you were kid Link. I doubt he'd be there dead, considering you see him as Adult Link. Roccie 04:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


 * This is a rather old discussion to be clearing up, but actually you do see Kaepora Gaebora as an adult. When you visit the Spirit Temple for the first time, Sheik will teach you the Requiem of Spirit. During the cut-scene, you see Kaepora fly by.--Yumil 17:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Male?
I am aware of how absolutely bats i may sound when I say this, but when was it confirmed that he was a male? The gossip stone refers to him as an it, and he never confirms himself to be a male. Perhaps, just perhaps...He may be a she?--Stalkid 09:15, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, in cases like this, we go on their names and how they're treated by others. Kaepora Gaebora is usually treated as a male, so we call him as such :P 03:21, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I've changed this. You're right, Kaepora Gaebora is not confirmed to be a male. Jeangabin 10:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, guys, It was a bad compulsion. --Stalkid 04:25, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Also the owl is associated w/ Athena, a female deity. Jeangabin 13:59, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting, though I'd admit that I don't really see any Greek Mythological influence in Zelda. Also, I thought that he may have been a parody of the owl from the story of King Arthur (the sword and the stone). --Stalkid 10:50, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

In | a new Iwata Asks, Miyamoto refers to Kaepora Gaebora as a "grandfather figure" to Link. Pretty much confirms that he is male. Ganondorfdude11 22:20, 29 June 2011 (EDT)


 * Well, you could say that a man is someone's "mother figure" if they displayed a lot of affection and care for them. Still, it does hint that he may be a male. 04:36, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

Sage Reincarnation
Could it be the face of the sage Kaepora Gaebora is the reincarnation when it twists its head upside down?! Jeangabin 14:04, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * That's a really odd theory, but it's a possibility. I'm guessing that He was simply the sage "Kaepora" (probably a forest sage). Other names of ancient sages, if they were made up, would be something along the lines of the following: Kaepora (Kaepora Gaebora, likely the sage of forest), Kasuto (town in Aol that had no corresponding sage, probably shadow sage due to history of the town of Kasuto), Errol (Error, possibly the water sage as he resided in the town that shares a name of a water sage), and Rauru (sage of light, as we already know, probably looked like Joseph Stalin in his younger years). Anyways, I'm getting a little off-topic, so I'll stop here.--Stalkid 10:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Rauru = KG
So apparently it's been confirmed that Rauru IS KG; however, I don't think we should merge ALL the OoT info to Rauru's page. Instead, I think we should treat this like the Tetra article; we certainly need to mention his KG appearance in Rauru's page, though. :) Dany36 13:06, 5 January 2012 (EST)
 * That's fine then, but because this character is more akin to Ganondorf/Ganon, Link/Bunny Link/Wolf Link, or any other "Hyrule form"/"Sacred Realm form" setup, most of the plot synopsis doesn't make sense unless written concurrently. I've written a combined sumamry of his plot events, with chronological events from Rauru's point of view (although all this means is that the Spirit Temple bit occurs before the Master Sword bit, not after). It should probably be placed on both articles, to show what is actually going on with the character. I've also done basic cleanup to the article, to cleanup a lot of flow issues.KrytenKoro 13:31, 5 January 2012 (EST)
 * I saw your edit on Rauru's page and that's fine, but I think keeping the info that is currently in KG's OoT section is ok too. ;) Thanks for updating the wiki with all of the info being released on Hyrule Historia, by the way. I haven't really looked into that too much. Dany36 13:58, 5 January 2012 (EST)