User talk:Nerushi

Irrelevance
Nerushi, this is not meant to slight you in any way, but I am politely asking that you back off of trying to mix a bunch of irrelevant pieces of information that distract from the point I am trying to make, which I think to this day you still don't get. My point is this: Hyrule's major government "headed" by the Hylian Royal Family was not established until the end of the Hyrulean Civil War. Yes, the Royal Family may have previously led the entire Hylian tribe, but they obviously did not yet rule over the entire realm. Yes, Hyrule's tribes lived in peace for ages prior to this, but the government headed by the Royal Family over the entire realm did not exist. Now it is established in Ocarina of Time that the Hylian Royal Family came to power over the entire realm as a result of the Hyrulean Civil War, so there the ultimate ruling government of the entire realm was founded.

Now, let's go to The Minish Cap: Gustaf states that, at the present time of TMC, he ruled over all of Hyrule "countless ages ago". Now, common sense says Gustaf can't head a government that's not even yet established. You argue that TMC precedes OoT, but this contradiction seemingly makes that almost impossible because OoT states that the government that Gustaf would have headed was not established until the war shortly before OoT. Simply saying that Hyrule itself has been in existence long before OoT makes no difference here, it's irrelevant. The whole point is the government of the entire realm was established shortly before OoT, and TMC establishes that at some point after that founding that Gustaf headed it at one point. Now we fast-forward "countless ages" to the time of TMC: By this point, a LONG line of rulers over the entire land of Hyrule have ruled it. Now, given this information, how can you say that TMC precedes OoT? How can you say that this very long line of kings had ruled over all of Hyrule before the government of the land was even established? That establishment came as a result of the Hyrulean Civil War as said by the Deku Tree Sprout. And we only have roughly a decade between the HCW and OoT, give or take a bit. Now, how can a LONG line of kings extending "countless ages" have ruled Hyrule in just that short amount of time? It's not feasible.

Let's take an example: You argue that Barack Obama's election as POTUS occurred before the American Revolution. I say: "President Obama can't head a government that's not even established yet." If the states have not even joined to form the federal government of the United States, how can President Obama head a government over all of the states if it has not even been founded yet? He can't.

This is my entire point. Gustaf could not head a government that was not even established yet. He claims he ruled all of Hyrule countless ages before the events of TMC, but that government headed by the Hylian Royal Family was not established until shortly before OoT, so therein lies the contradiction. Now, if you want to argue otherwise despite the logic, then feel free to do so in your section concerning your theories. But do not tamper with the point I am trying to make here, as you are putting in things that are beside the point I am trying to make. I hope this helps you understand what I'm trying to get across and that you will refrain from distracting from the point I'm trying to make clear to fans about this matter. Thanks. Link87 21:34, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, what you presented to me is what most would call fanfiction. I don't need to take your BS, and if you are not willingly to accept a non-biased perspective that I added even without removing your fluff, then perhaps I shouldn't either. It is not distraction because the points I have presented have equally much evidence as to how long Hyrule and its Royal Family have existed, as your 'unified' quote which could mean a miryad of things. You have not presented a single piece of evidence indicating that, contary to other evidence, the ONLY goverment/nation/kingdom in Hyrule history was established jus prior to Ocarina of Time. That something you completely made up as a ruse to, in your obess with disproving any game before OoT. Perhap you are in denial or something, but you are completely obessed with trying to keep out any evidence that contradicts your already flawed theory. This is evident since you removed my pieces which offered people to have a more neutral perspective, rather than your completely one-side one. As such, I will from here on just remove your THEORY/FANCTION or whatever you want to call it ( not a fact anyway ) until you back off. You can always call an admin to have them resove this for us though, I don't mind. Have a good day =) Nerushi 05:15, 16 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Go right on ahead, I'll report you to the staff and have them override you since you won't listen to reason. Keep your fanfiction (precisely what your ridiculous idea regarding this is) separate from valid points that are being pointed out. I'll oppose you at every turn if you are unwilling to compromise, and don't think I won't. Any good points like that with quotes to back it up are worth mentioning, and if you continue to tamper with them I will report you. It doesn't have to come to that, just back off. You want to make counterarguments, keep them in your theory section since it's your theory you're trying to support.


 * I believe it is you that is in denial here, because I have spelled out a very good argument here backed up by facts and spelled out word-for-word for you, yet you still refuse to admit the fallacy in your theory in turn. You refuse to admit there could be error in your theory, and that gives you no credibility with me. Now, as I am not unreasonable, I have included that there are those that still do not agree with these observations, and that should be more than enough for you as a compromise, which I did to show I'm not unwilling to negotiate with you. If however you continue on the road of making trouble and refusing to compromise somewhat, I will be reporting you to the staff as inciting an edit war and removing valid information simply to keep your theory from being challenged. Link87 06:27, 16 April 2010 (UTC)