Talk:Triforce

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Triforce in Twilight Princess
If I remember correctly, the triforce is mentioned in TP, in the sequence where Ganondorf is about to be executed by the Sages. I believe it was the Triforce of Power which allowed him to break free of the chains.
 * Every time the Triforce is referenced in TP (usually in comments ccompanied by visuals of the hand mark) it is called the `Power of the Gods`. In the specific scene you mention, the exact line is;
 * By some divine prank, he, too, had been blessed with the chosen power of the gods. His abiding hatred and lust for power turned to purest malice...

The 'True Force'
Not sure if this section is worth keeping. It is inaccurate (The Triforce has indeed been possesed in full; by the AoL BS King) and Its not something I've ever seen discussed or even mentioned outside of this page (probably because most people know its inaccurate). Any objections to removing it and simply beefing up the "Triforce in AoL" section? --PIE


 * Sounds good to me. The closer the article sticks to accurate factual info the better! --Adam 14:25, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

Categorization
If no one objects, I'm going to add this to either the Objects or Items category, seeing as it is indeed a physical object. Dinosaur bob 18:40, 6 October 2007 (EDT)

Source
I had never heard this before, so I was wondering if I could get a source for this sentence in the second paragraph of the article:


 * "If one who claims the Triforce doesn't have a balance of Courage, Wisdom and Power within their heart, the Triforce will separate into its three parts, and the one who claims it will be left with only the Triforce aspect that they most believed in."

This would be much appreciated. Thanks. Ando 16:36, 16 January 2008 (EST)


 * I've added the only reference I could find for that statement, which claims that the text comes from the Book of Mudora. It seems Sheik repeats these words in OoT: Sheik. —Adam (talk) 02:54, 13 February 2008 (EST)

Huh. Interesting. Thank you much, Adam. This is useful information indeed. --Ando 12:21, 13 February 2008 (EST)

doesnt seem right
so...seeing as TP follows the childhood timeline...link stopped ganon before link himself opened up the temple of time...and thats what caused ganon to receive the triforce of power...link opening the temple...but since he never did open it in childhood timeline..then ganon never had it ..thats why they called it a divine prank..if he had it then he would never have been captured in the first place..someone wanna change that section where it says the sages thought it was a prank...cuz who ever wrote that makes it sound like ganon had the triforce of power all along.


 * I don't think I really follow what you're saying, but I know this was included within this discussion —Adam (talk) 10:13, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Midna, Zelda, and the Triforce
What we really need for this is the original Japanese text of what Zelda says when she helps Midna. I have read it before. I don't remember exactly where I found it or what it meant. But I do remember that it strongly indicated that Zelda did not give Midna the Triforce of Wisdom itself. We'll have to find the text again. 17:36, July 16, 2008 (UTC)


 * Here is Jumbie's translation at Legends Alliance (first line: Japanese, second: Jumbie's translation, third NoA's translation). 21:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

ZZ is not sure he is doing this right, but oh well. Even with the Japanese version it is really vague, but since Minda did say everything, then he guess the ToW is included. The only thing that doesn't really make sense is Zelda Dis/re-appearing in the game, and that when the power returns to Zelda, Midna still retains her immunity to the Light World. Do you have a explanation or would that go into the theorizing section?

The Anti-Triforce Theory
I've read this in multiple places and am considering more and more the possibility that the hole in the triforce could actually be some kind of anti-force. To push the theory deeper, I've read that Dark Link might be the holder of it. It is mere speculation, but I taught it might be interesting to start a conversation around this. SasQ 03:22, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

This page is a mess ...
Anyone else agree? I think what we should do is split parts of the page to their own pages. I think that either the Triumph Forks or the Triforce Shards would both make decent pages, also allowing this page to not be as bulky. Any comments? 23:00, 11 December 2010 (EST)
 * I think I'll disagree... The Triforce Shards used to be its own page, and I don't really see why we should split it into its own again. Same thing with the Triumph Forks: used to be its own article but got merged here. Dany36 23:04, 11 December 2010 (EST)
 * Pretty much what Dany said. I don't think it should be split, actually, I don't think the article is that much of a mess. It's not too bad. Maybe could use a reorganization and or some of the individual sections split into subsections. 04:07, December 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I can agree there, but I'll leave that up to you guys. I'll just stick to references ;) 23:11, 11 December 2010 (EST)
 * Both sides have good arguments. If anything, I could see the Appearances section made into a subpage (akin to the way the Hyrule page does things); that could potentially solve any bulky problem and still keep all of the information connected. 23:19, 11 December 2010 (EST)

Triforce Positioning
The page says that the Triforce of Courage is on the bottom-right, and the Triforce of Wisdom is on the bottom-left. Is there any proof of that? As far as I know, it is inconclusive, since Nintendo never provided any canon proof for either side. The way I see it, the Triforce of Courage should be on the left, with Wisdom being on the right, with Link being left handed in every game. That should be some symbolism. And yeah, anything from the Super Smash Bros. series is not canon (looking at Melee's intro). ShadowMario3 11:42, 2 Feb 2011 (EST)
 * Sure there is! Recall: When Link confronts Ganondorf at the end of Ocarina of Time and the "Triforce parts are resonating," each character's piece of the Triforce glows on their hand (Link's left hand, Zelda's right hand, Ganondorf's right hand). Note that one triangle of the Triforce is lit for each character: For Link the bottom right, and for Zelda the bottom left, and for Ganondorf the top. You can watch the cutscene on youtube (I found it Here). =) 11:57, 2 February 2011 (EST)
 * Oh wow, never knew that. O_o Thanks for telling me about that. :D ShadowMario3 18:30, 2 Feb 2011 (EST)

Ganon's immortality
I don't think that Ganon's large lifespan can be attributed to the Triforce of Power. For example we know that he doesn't have it in the end of ALttP and yet he is back in the Oracles (assuming that they follow ALttP of course). His followers are also able to resurrect him in AoL. So I'm removing it from the ToP section. Zeldafan1982 12:21, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

Sierpinski's triangle or Hōjō clan crest?
Could the Triforce be based off of a Sierpinski's triangle or the Hōjō clan's crest? Vahi 16:42, 4 October 2011 (EDT)

In light of Skyward Sword
I think the first paragraph in the introduction should be changed in accordance with Skyward Sword. We know now, that initially Hylia had it, and put it in the Silent Realm. As for the Silent Realm being the Sacred Realm, I doubt it, since the SR is not mentioned at all in the game and also because you enter this realm spiritually and not physically. We don't even know whether the SR existed at this period. Maybe it was formulated some time later. So basically, yet another retcon.. Zeldafan1982 10:59, 27 December 2011 (EST)

Is the Sacred Realm really where the Triforce was created, or is that a simplified version of the myth by the time of OoT?
The Hyrule Historia doesn't state the nature of the Sacred Realm other than that was where the Triforce was hidden by Ocarina of Time. The Isle of the Goddess was apparently the middle of the world of Hylia - it stands to reason that the Temple of Light, the Sacred Realm counterpart of the Temple of Time, was still considered the center of the Sacred Realm when the Skyward Sword team developed the storyline. However, unlike Ocarina of Time where it states that the Triforce had been resting in the Sacred Realm in its place since the Goddesses departed, Hyrule Historia instead states that the Triforce was enshrined in the Temple of Light, the new Temple of Time was supposedly built by Rauru over the Sealed Temple / Statue of the Goddess, and then Rauru sealed the sole entrance to the Sacred Realm within the Master Sword and its pedestal. So...is the Sacred Realm still where the Triforce was created, or has that been retconned? If you go by the idea that the Silent Realm later become known as the Sacred Realm, I guess you can make the argument that the Triforce was always within that plane's Statue of the Goddess before Hylia sent it skyward, but the Triforce still hasn't been resting in that spot since it was created as per the OoT origin story. That, and the Triforce was entrusted to the Goddess Hylia, implying that Hylia kept it and its location wasn't a main factor. The Silent Realm was also constructed as a means to test the Chosen Hero, which seems to contrast the purpose of the Sacred Realm (even if apparently both are mirror versions of the Light World). I think it was placed in the Sacred Realm after the events of Skyward Sword, and the legend of its hiding spot and Skyward Sword itself became so distorted and simplified over time that the Sacred Realm became known as the place the Goddesses left the world and Hylia and people of the sky have been largely forgotten outside of retroactive implications in Twilight Princess. LinkTheLefty 12:50, 20 January 2012 (EST)


 * Like you I do not believe that the Silent Realm is meant to be the Sacred Realm. We don't actually know if the Sacred Realm is a mirror of the Light World at all... the Dark World is, but the Golden Land/Sacred Realm might not be. Whoever built the Sky Keep (presumably the Goddess) hid the Triforce pieces in it; but we know that the Triforce was created somewhere prior to this. Even ALttP, which stated that the Triforce rested in the Sacred Realm, depicts the Triforce being given directly to the Hylians at some point, as seen here File:Goddesses.jpg. Twilight Princess also depicted it as being on a green plain in a similar fashion, so whether both depictions show the Sacred Realm or not I don't know. The closest we've come to seeing the Sacred Realm itself is the Temple of Light, and this image here... File:Triforce.jpg Now, I find it hard to believe that Rauru and the other Sages created the Sacred Realm all by themselves; given that it presumably just as big as Hyrule itself, so I assume that the Triforce was still created in the Sacred Realm, but was given to Hylia, who presumably took it out of the Sacred Realm to bestow it's powers on the world under her benovelence. For whatever reason, she chose not to return the Triforce to the Sacred Realm after the attack of the monsters, and sent it to the sky. It isn't until Demise is defeated that Rauru returns it to the Sacred Realm. I think this was the idea.
 * I think there is an issue with calling Hylia a goddess, because it implies that she's on the same level as the three Goddesses when clearly she's not. She's more like an oracle of the goddesses. Perhaps even she is even a manifestation of the Essence of the Triforce, but that's just me thinking aloud.
 * I think it is also possible that the Sacred Realm was also originally part of the world normally, but was seperated at some point. Why or how this occured I don't know, though. 12:55, 10 March 2012 (EST)


 * My two cents:
 * In OoT, the myth states that the place where the Triforce descended upon the mortal world became the Sacred Realm, shortly after the creation of Hyrule. However, I don't think the Sacred Realm was necessarily a wholly separate world from the Light Realm (AKA, the normal version of Hyrule).
 * I think, and this is just conjecture, the Sacred Realm was originally part of the mortal realm until it was sealed away when Rauru turned the temple on the former Lost Ground into the Temple of Time. Given the appearance of ALTTP's Golden Land, it appears that area was Skyloft.
 * So, here's that timeline of these events: Hyrule is created, and the Triforce left with the mortal world. Hylia is entrusted to protect it, so she hides it in the Sky Keep of Skyloft.  Skyloft is now the Sacred Realm (in this case, a realm in the sense of an area of land rather than an entire world).  After the events of Skyward Sword, the temple grounds succumb to the effects of nature, until Rauru eventually rebuilds the temple.  When he sealed the path to the Sacred Realm, what he really did was basically move Skyloft and the Triforce with it into a pocket dimension.
 * As for the Dark World, it's mentioned in ALTTP's story that Ganon used the Triforce to remake the Golden Land into a dark mirror of Hyrule. This is likewise mentioned in OoT, where Zelda says that Ganon's conquest of the Triforce has stained the Sacred Realm with darkness, where he was eventually sealed away.  Basically, the Sacred Realm became the Dark Realm. --KingStarscream (talk) 16:19, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Removing Majora's Mask reference
I don't think it was meant to be a "distorted Triforce". I think it was just how the light overlapped, considering the limitations of the N64. Besides that, I never once though it was supposed to be Triforce related until someone pointed it out, and I'm still skeptical. It's not merely "distorted", it's actually unrecognizable unless you're looking for it. --KingStarscream 15:51, 5 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't know if removing it is a good idea, as the resemblance to the Triforce is strong enough for many fans to make the connection. Putting a Theory tag over it might be more practical, while mentioning the fact that some fans think it references the Triforce. Setras 17:17, 5 June 2013 (UTC)


 * OK, I've marked it as a theory. Personally, I think it's just a case of Apophenia, though I've kind of got an idea how it could make sense IF it really was Nintendo's intent to reference the Triforce. --KingStarscream (talk) 16:01, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

LoZ: A Link Between Worlds
Should the Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds part get updated to reflect less of the ending of the game and more about the interchangeability of the triforce between Zelda/Hilda and Yuga/Ganon? Also, the fact that Yuga-Ganon stole and used the triforce of Wisdom while holding the triforce of Power? I know in past games Ganon's main purpose is to obtain the triforce but he rarely succeeds at taking/using anyone's piece before.

I can only think of Midna (TP) receiving the triforce of Wisdom and Ganon (WW) taking all three only to assembling a full triforce as the only time other people have held, used the full triforce in game before. --Somatics (talk) 21:27, 16 December 2013 (UTC)