Talk:Death Sword

I know that this really doesn't matter but the Japanese name is ゴベラの剣 (Sword of Gobela). 04:25, June 23, 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps add it into the article, then? :P I'm all for the Japanese names that I couldn't find being added (I'm more of a get-the-Japanese-names-from-Majora's-Mask sort of dude). --Ando 13:28, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Go to the Japanese Wikipedia. It has a lot of them. Many have the intended English translation right next to it, already translated! 13:43, June 23, 2008 (UTC)


 * Here you go. You know Japs, they don't know that the URL shouldn't be that long. It goes to the Legend of Zelda character list 14:09, June 23, 2008 (UTC)


 * Wasn't Gobera the name of that pesky owl? How come we never saw him using that sword? >_> Nook 23:09, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Opps, don't mind me. the owl is spelled similarly but different. >_> Nook 23:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Theory
That theory just keeps popping up. I'm tired of it already. I know that people are making this theory up just by looking at the pictures on the page. His neck is not "bent". He is merely tilting his head as he is about to swing his sword. People, stop putting this theory up. 01:28, July 20, 2008 (UTC)


 * The theory, as Matt forgot to explain (or deemed unnecessary), is that Death Sword was hung. Stop putting it up unless you have evidence extending BEYOND his neck. --Felicia&#39;s Champion 08:10, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It is, however, quite possible he was hung. There is no way to know for sure how he died. The neck is a hint, though. Besides, if they say it's just a theory, then it's not fact and shouldn't be taken as such.


 * However, the fact of the matter is, there is no evidence of it whatsoever. Furthermore, this theory is assuming another theory, namely that Death Sword was ever killed in the first place. "Assuming theory x to be true, then theory y could be true" is, no offense, terrible logic, and it could never end, with people assuming that Darknuts in The Wind Waker chase cats because they look like dogs; we've yet to see any evidence of cats in that timeline! So you see why we find the theory itself to be a little crazy. 00:04, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Besides, the correct past-tense verb is "hanged"! >:O RAWR


 * Furthermore, does it really matter how he was killed? It's impossible to answer without knowing if he even was killed, for all we know, he was an apparition created by Ganon or even some alternate version of Phantom Ganon (there are some similarities between Death Sword and WW Phantom Ganon. It's hard to develop such a theory for a character with no given back story whatsoever. 8:14, 26 July 2008 (EST)


 * For all you without the answer, it is no. All we know is that he was [not killed/resurrected] and that he may never be killed. 00:18, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Seems to me that people think that because it can fly and become invisible, it must have died once in the past. Here is my response to that: "So, in A Link to the Past, Link can become invisible when he wears the Magic Cape. Using this logic, Link must have died in order to do that. Come on people. These games are all about magic! Death is not a prerequisite of being able to fly and become invisible." I say this to those that constantly cite his neck as evidence of its manner of [alleged] death: "Stop looking at the picture on the page and using that as the only evidence. If you'd actually play the game and fight it, you'll see that there is nothing amiss with its neck at all. It is as normal as is possible in a Zelda Game. Its neck is no more or less "bent" than Link's is." Phantom Ganon, in nearly every incarnation, is able to fly and disappear just like the Death Sword. Phantom Ganon was never killed prior to that and did not acquire his powers that way. Each time he was a creation of Ganon(dorf). In fact, in nearly every single Zelda game, all the enemies are created (or in some cases are awaken/freed/or revived) by the actions of the game's main antagonist(s), either directly or indirectly. Ganondorf himself as well as Puppet Zelda could do these things. Of course, those particular sets of powers were actually the same. So it stands to reason that the Death Sword. There are two different bosses in Ocarina of Time that were previously killed. They were Volvagia (Ooohhh... the irony!) and Bongo Bongo. However, there is no evidence that their deaths had given them any new powers. There is some non-conclusive, stereotypical evidence for Bongo Bongo, so that one holds more ground than the Dealth Sword does. But that is a weak assumption for Volvagia, as it was "revived" into life and was not a "walking", or in this case flying, dead. There is no ground for this Death Sword death theory to stand on. It has been beaten. If it is added back to the page, it will be removed on sight. If you still believe it to be true, then get some real, tangible proof. A picture that is easily misread by the untrained eye is not sufficient. I am not afraid to admit that I am a much smarter than most people and that I know that no evidence of any use toward that end exists in the pictures on the article. However it is not that there is any evidence against it, there is just absolutely none for it that is known at this time. If someone could go through the fight and examine it to find something else for proof, then do it. Until then, stop wasting our time. 02:20, July 27, 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, Matt, when still, Death Sword's head IS tilted ("bent"), as seen here. Regardless, though, I've seen plenty of enemies (such as the aforementioned ReDeads) that walk in ways that could "suggest" broken body parts, yet they obviously have none. 03:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Besides, if his neck were broken, wouldn't it be completely disconnected from the rest of his skeleton, therefore his head be unable to remain with the rest of his body?


 * I already knew that. But, as I said, I am a much smarter than most people. Note how the neck straightens out when it is on the ground, at its critical point (after being stunned). This is all do to physics. Nintendo was very careful to get the physics of gravity as accurate as they could in this game. The neck tilting is a response to the shear weight of its sword. This is a natural response. Go ahead, find something in your room you're in now that is too heavy to lift and just try to lift it. Do you see where your neck goes when you try? It tends to go to the side with the most weight and then on to the opposite side once the weight is overcome, as in the picture. When the Death Sword is not lifting its sword, there is no force pulling on its neck and it straightens out. As I said, it is misleading to the untrained eye. Luckily, I managed to train both my eyes :). 03:53, July 27, 2008 (UTC)

Haha! Not so, sir. Actually, in my experience with lifting heavy objects in one hand, my neck actually tilts away from the source of the weight - maybe that's just me? Regardless, if the heavy object is touching the ground, then there's no strain on the neck, and therefore no tilt (I tested this out just as you asked). In the video I showed you, at around 0:41, he's just... standing there. The sword's on the ground, thus producing no strain. And yet, his neck is tilted. And -- why the heck are we arguing about this anyway? Are we doomed to argue about everything? :P 04:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Same here Ando. Whenever I lift something heavy, I usually move my head away and lean to he opposite side to get it off the ground. And seriously, is this something to fight over? It sounds pretty retarded to me. 12:14, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, this discussion/argument/bickering should stop now; Ando and Markol's comments above were perfectly succinct and sufficient. Also, Matt should stop asserting how smart he is in almost every post, as doing so only makes him seem precisely the opposite. (And makes me want to vomit) 14:10, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah Matt, no offence, but your asserting of smartness has got to stop.I hope we can still be friends, but as soon as I heard "smart", the first thought inside me was *UPPERCUT!* 14:15, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Well I still cannot see why you guys think that his neck remains tilted once the weight is gone, because it doesn't. At about 0:41 in that movie, it is still holding onto, and lifting, the sword. Also, upon further investigation, I have found that the direction that the neck goes depends on individual muscle structure and personality of the subject. But no matter what, the neck will tend to tilt when there is a large object being lifted. Last time I checked, that sword is really big. These physics are consistent throughout the game. It is not going to be ignored for one opponent. If the neck is already bent, as you claim, then the massive weight of the sword could snap it right off on a thing like that. That is not happening. If you look in the movie, at the end when the final blow has been dealt, the sword is on the ground and there is no neck bending to the side, at all. Its neck is also not bent whenever it is on the ground after being hit after it was rapidly circling around Link. There is no refuting psychics. And it is not worth the effort of trying for this subject. So discussion of the neck is closed. As far as "asserting my smartness", no one in their right mind would deliberately "dumb themselves down". If a smart individual's knowledge could be useful, the that person uses it. I can no more stop being "smart" than you could stop breathing. It could be done, but is not a good thing to do. You know guys, your response to my "smartness" is a form of prejudice. I know you didn't mean that, but that is what it is. 15:10, July 27, 2008 (UTC)


 * We know you're smart Matt, why do you think you already have 3 talk page archives. The problem is you keep stating it, over and over, to the part that you make everyone else feel dumb. That being said, *UPPERCUT!* 15:16, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I was in no way denying your intelligence, or suggesting that you suppress it. My point was simply the use of the adjective "smart" to describe oneself, which is a wholly deplorable thing in my view. Not only does it sound irrevocably arrogant, but instantly alienates most people. As do sentences like "I can no more stop being "smart" than you could stop breathing.", which made me personally want to reach across the internet and slap your smug, smug face... But joking aside, talking online is one thing, but I'd highly recommend that you turn down the ego in real life situations, as the negative effects could be far more wide-reaching. Please don't take this as a personal attack, just a little constructive criticism from someone who's spent a lot of time dealing with people - you may find people much more receptive to your ideas if you adjust the way you phrase them ;) 16:07, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, okay. But why are people offended by the word "smart"? Is it because of their own self-esteem? I'm never offended by the word "dumb". It just another form of "majority rules" and then overrides the minority.Just think about it. It is are way or no way. Seems like a fairly American way of thinking of things. But it just isn't worth the effort of pressing. I already said the word "smart" was not necessary any longer on my talk page recently. 16:58, July 27, 2008 (UTC)


 * Should we, uh, move this discussion or something? Because this has become ridiculously out of place here. I'm not really SURE where it would be moved to (maybe Matt's talk page?). 17:16, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Probably either moving it there or just deleting it so no one else starts up the fire again. 21:10, 27 July 2008 (EST)


 * Maybe in a subpage here? Or one in my talk page. My Timeline talk archive has content from three different places. 01:51, July 28, 2008 (UTC)

Phantom Ganon
Im sorry but if you look at phantom ganon from Ocarina of time and from the 4 swords and wind waker games...

doesnt anyone else see the resemblance..the horns, skull face and sword are really similar its as if they put those two different phantom ganons together. Maybe its just me. Should we mention that? --Remo 04:09, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I see the resemblance. Also, his japanese name seems to mean Sword of Gobera; considering that "Zubora Gabora" is written on Phantom Ganon's sword in The Wind Waker, it may be intersting to check if Gabora and Gobera are spelled the same in japanese or if Gobera isn't a play on Gabora. His appearance and the fact that he explode into flies at the end may also be a reference to Beelzebub (which means lord of the flies). Death Sword has also a mildly resemblance to Gomess from Majora's Mask. Jeangabin 13:33, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I've said this a million times but, Nintendo reuses themes. So, how do we know they didn't get the inspiration for Death Sword from Phantom Ganon? Okay, and no offense to anyone but, the only resemblance I see is that both characters have horns...and that doesn't really prove anything. :P 15:32, May 27, 2010 (UTC)