Zelda Wiki:Discussion Center/Archive 1

Native Residents of Termina = Hylian?
I do not understand why the residents of Termina are listed as the race Hylian. Can anyone native of Termina truly be considered a Hylian? Hylians are from Hyrule, but Termina is a different world (canon). Though the term might not be official, Termanian seems to be a better race than Hylian for the native residents of Termina. What do you think? Dark Mirror's Link (talk) 05:40, 31 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Hylian refers to the race, so it's entirely possible that the race exists outside of Hyrule. Hylians from Hyrule are also known as Hyruleans (but Hylians are not necessarily from Hyrule), but Terminans are not. As far as we know, Terminans are biologically identical to Hylians, so I would say they're effectively indistinguishable. It's also been shown that travel between the worlds is possible as two Hylians were shown to enter it with no apparent effort, so there is zero evidence that Terminans could not be Hylian. It would really be more of a personal distinction (like "Skyloftian").
 * In any case, Hylians are humans with pointed ears. Terminan residents have pointed ears. As there is no canon species for Terminan residents, the closest accurate species name is Hylian. I would rather not have us deal with non-canon titles; it's a sloppy ordeal altogether. 19:11, 31 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Think of it like this, if I go to a different world, where humans rule,(like our world) but still called human, like plant of the apps, the old ones. Mttplaysvg (talk) 17:00, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Italian Translation Problem
Hello everyone, I'm itaLink and I registered to post some translations into Italian of The Legend of Zelda. I apologize for my bad English but, in fact, are Italian. Sometimes I find problems in saving the changes because it says that I use inappropriate words, but because they are not native speaker I do not know what words it refers. How can I do?


 * This problem should have gone away by now, as you've probably realized.


 * The wiki was probably blocking you from adding certain Italian names because they looked like English swear words. It's an unfortunate but necessary feature to fight vandalism. It only blocks accounts that are totally new, so it won't block you anymore.


 * We apologize for the inconvenience. 17:12, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

A Question
Hello. My name's PhantomHeartless5. I just got on this wiki and wanted to ask. Is it all right if I add a characteristics section to character articles showcasing Appearance, Personality, and Abilities? I thought I'd ask before making big changes. PhantomHeartless5 (talk) 18:13, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That is more than welcomed! As you might have already seen, we already have those section for characters such as Ghirahim or Princess Zelda, but it'd be perfect if we could get those sections out for as many characters as possible. :) Go ahead! --Dany36 (talk) 01:32, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * As Dany said, there are characteristics sections for characters who play a major role in the game, but the section isn't as common on minor character articles. I say go on right ahread. XXSuperXXNintendoXx (talk) 01:41, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Changing my username
Osteoderm Jacket is a nick I reused from another website, but at this point it doesn't really feel thematically appropriate to this place and it contains a somewhat obscure technical term. I'd like to change it; I was thinking of changing it to "Ice Medallion" if that isn't already taken. How do I go about changing my username? --Osteoderm Jacket (talk) 01:45, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * An administrator has to do it for you. I can go ahead if you're settled on "Ice Medallion." Keep in mind that we'd rather not have to rename people several times over, so when someone picks a new name we expect them to stick with it for a good while. Just saying :P 02:09, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Go ahead and change it. I'm pretty sure I want this name and not OJ at this point. Should I put up a note on my user page saying what my previous nickname was? --Osteoderm Jacket (talk) 05:16, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * You don't have to. I used to go by "Neo," but now I just use my name. I don't mention it on my userpage. Anyway, I'll take care of that for you if HK hasn't. Just be sure to change your sig to match your new name. 12:58, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Regarding
I was recently going through some pages in order to update them with new information pertaining to, which eventually led me to having a look at a few of the pages relating to some of the older games. As I was browsing, however, I couldn't help but notice that many of them were untidy, inconsistent, and outdated, and I even thought that some were completely unnecessary. The series is non-canon, many aspects of it don't really fall under what I feel a Zelda-based wiki should cover, and I think that the way we handle information associated with it could definitely be improved. Originally, there were a few specific articles that I was going to edit, but I eventually ended up wanting to make quite a lot of major edits to many different pages, so I thought that it would be best if I listed them all here. Basically, what I want to do is this:
 * Do something with the pages for trophies and stickers. Either merge them with the game articles themselves or move them to something along the lines of "List of Trophies/Stickers in Super Smash Bros. X". That way, the trophy page won't become oversized with the release of future games.
 * On a related note, decide whether or not items, music, stages, and enemies from the games deserve similar treatment.
 * Split all of the Zelda-related stages from the series into their own articles. While some are virtually identical to their original appearances (e.g. Skyloft), others are completely different (e.g. Hyrule Castle), and some are somewhere in between (e.g. Great Bay). I think that treating them all the same way and giving them separate pages would allow for slightly more detailed descriptions and make pages less cluttered. They can have either "(Super Smash Bros.)" or "(Stage)" at the end of their titles to disambiguate.
 * Move Template:SSB Stages to "Template:Stage", which is a much simpler name, and add a "Game(s)" field to it. Possibly include a "Theme Music" field, too.
 * Create a category titled "Super Smash Bros. Stages" and incorporate it into the template.
 * Delete either Template:Smashwiki or Template:Exitstub-nintendo, and only use the other to link to more in-depth articles on SmashWiki. There's no real need to have two templates that serve the exact same purpose.
 * Delete the hack and glitch pages for all of the Super Smash Bros. games; they don't fall under our scope.
 * Move Hyrule: Temple to either "Temple (Super Smash Bros.)" or "Temple (Stage)". That's the most recently used and more accurate name. Leave the original page as a redirect.
 * Delete Characters in Super Smash Bros. (Series), for the same reason as the hack and glitch pages. Have a list of all Zelda-related characters on the individual pages for each game, or perhaps create a separate gallery page for each game like we do for canon titles. I personally prefer the former idea.
 * Once again, decide whether or not trophies, stickers, items, music, and enemies deserve similar treatment. I believe that the latter three should simply be listed on the individual game articles.
 * Decide whether games (and non-canon games in general) belong in the "Game(s)" or "Other media" field of infoboxes. It's currently pretty inconsistent.
 * Merge Super Smash Bros./Link's Moves with either Link/Other Appearances, Hero of Time, or Adult Link. This ties in with the already slightly messy situation we have with the Young Link/Adult Link/Hero of Time pages.
 * Make this template a real template and place it on all relevant pages. Find a better name for it, if possible.

So yeah, that's just about everything. I'd like to hear what everybody else has to say about this. I know that it would take quite a lot of work if we were to put all of these changes into action, but I feel that there's a pretty large need for improvement. If you want me to elaborate on any of these points, feel free to ask. 14:19, 19 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I could get behind all that, with a few exceptions.


 * Some points in response:


 * I think the Trophy and Sticker articles are fine as they are, but I suppose it would be better to split lists by game. I'm against merging them with the game articles because there's too many of them. It would bloat the articles.


 * As for everything else (characters, items, music, etc.), those could all be merged as long as we keep their descriptions brief and there's not so much information that it bloats the pages. We could even scale back our coverage on stages to just small, merged summaries on the game articles. If we did that, we could just delete Template:SSB Stages. Let SmashWiki go into detail about the stages; for obvious reasons they do a better job of it anyway. (On this point you kind of contradict yourself. You mention merging the stages with the game articles but earlier on you also advocate splitting them all.)


 * If we were to keep using Template:Exitstub-nintendo, the wording would have to be changed. Many of our SSB articles are not just "short summaries."


 * I'd say non-canon games should be considered "other media." But maybe we should consider renaming those two fields entirely for the sake of clarity.


 * Why do we need to cover movesets at all? That's another thing we can leave to SmashWiki.

Basically, I wouldn't mind if all our SSB articles looked like does. There's no need to go more in-depth than that when we have SmashWiki as a partner. 15:40, 19 June 2014 (UTC)


 * The Trophies page is good as it is, for now, has I kinda agree that eventually it will become oversized, so maybe in a near future it would be a good idea to split the article per game.
 * I don't really see the point in having an article for every stage, as almost all the relevant info on them can be easily added to its main article (ex. Great Bay) and its respective SBB game article. Besides, like HK said, theres the SmashWiki to go in-depth.
 * I also agree that the SSB glitches and characters pages (and other pages alike) are unnecessary. The game's pages already link to the characters in SSBX articles in the SmashWiki, so there's no really point in having an article about characters outside the Zelda series. When I started updating the SSB articles, I tried to leave only the Zelda-related stuff, as the SmashWiki articles (which are linked at the top of each page anyway) have all the info about everything else.
 * The SSB games, as every other spin-off game, should appear in the other games section, although indeed some pages are still outdated in that matter.
 * I edited all the SSB games articles to look the same, just including the Zelda-related stuff, so I guess that other SSB-related articles would be better like that too. Chuck (talk) 04:50, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

You both raise fair points. Just to clarify, I didn't mean to list stages as something that should be merged with the game pages; that was a mistake. Seeing as there's quite a lot to talk about here, I'm going to split this into separate discussions.

Please post any new comments under the headings below. 18:28, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Splitting the trophy article
The problem with the current trophy page is that while there are a few ways to deal with it, they all pose some issues. I don't feel that leaving it as it is would be wise. As I've already mentioned, it could eventually become oversized. Also, the "Collecting Trophies" section of the page really needn't exist, as it contains some information that is entirely unnecessary, and all of the useful information in it can easily be incorporated into the page's introduction.

Simply deleting the page and placing a list of trophies on the individual game articles could be possible if we didn't include images or descriptions of each trophy, but I can already tell that many people would be against that. Splitting the page into separate pages titled "List of Trophies in X" would definitely solve the size issue, but the name implies that all trophies would be included regardless of whether or not they're related to the Zelda series.

I've come up with two solutions that I think could work: I personally prefer the second option. 18:28, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Turn Trophy (Super Smash Bros.) into a disambiguation page that contains a very brief description of what a trophy is, as well as a link to the relevant page on SmashWiki. It would link to four pages: "Trophies in Super Smash Bros. Melee", "Trophies in Super Smash Bros. Brawl", "Trophies in Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS", and "Trophies in Super Smash Bros. for Wii U". If anybody feels that it's necessary, we could place "Zelda-related" at the beginning of each title for greater clarity.
 * Delete Trophy (Super Smash Bros.) altogether. Have a notice at the top of this page linking to all four trophy lists and the trophy article on SmashWiki.

Moving the sticker article
Stickers are a slightly different case to trophies. So far, they've only appeared in, and there's been nothing to suggest that they'll reappear in future games. However, having a page titled "Sticker" just seems odd, especially when the page should ideally be more about what Zelda-related stickers can be found in the game, rather than stickers themselves. The introduction could definitely be condensed, and I don't feel as if the "Sticker Effects" section is even required.

I feel that the best solution here would be to simply move the page to "Stickers in Super Smash Bros. Brawl", and make the introduction briefer. Like with trophies, "Zelda-related" could be placed at the beginning of the title for clarity. "Sticker" could be left as either a redirect or a soft redirect. 18:28, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Making individual articles for each stage
Currently, with the exception of Hyrule: Temple, none of the Zelda-related stages from the Super Smash Bros, series have their own articles here. I feel that having separate pages for all of the stages would allow us to go into much greater detail, but whether or not we actually need to do that when we have SmashWiki to do it for us is something that I'm still not quite decided on. After all, it still is Zelda-related information, and having as much Zelda-related information on this wiki as possible is our goal. We don't have to go into too much detail about tournament legality, unlock criteria, and strategies, but there is quite a lot to be said about theme music, origin, and differences from canon incarnations. However, a lot of that stuff is already covered by SmashWiki anyway, so I'm just not sure.

Either way, Hyrule: Temple should remain a separate article due to not being directly based on anywhere in the Zelda series and not really being able to be merged with anything. Also, if we do decide to give stages separate articles, Template:SSB Stages should be moved to "Template:Stage" and given a "Game(s)" field. 18:28, 20 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't think the infobox template should be moved (unless it's to drop the extra "S" at the end – almost all of our infoboxes are singular). The current name is a more accurate description of the template's usage. Further, "Template:Stage" should be saved for an actual Zelda series infobox. We'll need it in the future should Nintendo release a Zelda with an elaborate multiplayer mode. We could even use one now for articles on the multiplayer stages in ST (Ancient Earth, Frozen Plains, Fire Arena, etc.), which Zelda Wiki currently doesn't mention at all. 19:47, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Making lists or galleries for characters, items, stages, music, and enemies
Like trophies and stickers, we could give characters, items, music, and enemies pages titled "Zelda-related X in Super Smash Bros. X". Unlike trophies and stickers, however, I don't feel that there are nearly enough of them to warrant this. There are two possible solutions that I can see here: I'd prefer it if we went with the first option. 18:28, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Leave things as they are. Characters, items, stages, music, and enemies can all be listed on each game's page. If stages have separate pages, they can be linked to.
 * Have lists/galleries for the entire series rather than each game. For example, "Zelda-related Items in the Super Smash Bros. Series"

Linking to SmashWiki
At the moment, we have two templates that are used to link to articles on SmashWiki: Template:Smashwiki and Template:Exitstub-nintendo. I don't feel that having both of these templates is necessary, as they do the exact same thing, and one of them should probably be deleted. Personally, I'd prefer to keep the former. While the latter is more colorful, it more closely resembles our maintenance notices than our 'see also' templates (compare Template:Update to Template:RelatedPage). It also doesn't look as good when placed in sections (compare Pirate Ship to Bridge of Eldin). Alternatively, we could use Exitstub at the top of pages and Smashwiki in sections, but I'm not really for this. I'd rather just keep one. 18:28, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Other changes
The majority of the things in this section are changes that I believe most people will agree on without much discussion. First of all, the existing hack and glitch pages pertaining to the games should be deleted. As I've already said, they're simply not relevant here. For the same reasons, Characters in Super Smash Bros. (Series) should also be deleted. I also believe that Super Smash Bros./Link's Moves is unnecessary and should be deleted. As HK has already said, SmashWiki can take care of detailing character's movesets, and as long as we mention all of the Zelda-related items/spells/attacks that are used in each one (which we already do), everything relevant is covered. Finally, as I mentioned earlier, Hyrule: Temple should be moved to "Temple (Super Smash Bros.)" or "Temple (Stage)", as it's a more accurate name. 18:28, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm a new guy and just figuring things out so I'm not sure if this goes here. I was thinking of adding some kind of theories section for each game or character. I apologize if something like this already exists or if I put this in the wrong spot. TheMasterofSwords3 (talk) 00:25, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

'Non-canon Appearances' vs. 'Other Media'
This is something that came up in the above discussion and I felt needed a separate topic. Currently, many of our infobox templates are inconsistent in what they use to list non- or ambiguously-canon appearances. Template:Infobox Animal, Template:Boss, Template:Infobox Character, Template:Deity, and Template:Enemy all use "Non-canon Appearances", with some linking to our canon policy, and others not, while Template:Infobox Ability, Template:Dungeon, Template:Group, Template:Item, Template:Monarchy, Template:Infobox Object, Template:Infobox Place, and Template:Species all use "Other Media", with some having "media" capitalized and others not. Furthermore, Template:Event and Template:Song don't use anything, so it's not actually possible to list non- or ambiguously-canon appearances in them.

I've also seen non- or ambiguously-canon games such as games in the series being placed in the "Game(s)" row of infoboxes rather than other rows (compare Horse Call to Beetle), and this quite understandably tends to happen in infoboxes that use "Other Media" as a row. I think we can all agree that the "Game(s)" row should only be used for canon games. We should probably come up with a standard system for all infoboxes to use, so that things are more consistent and less confusing for newer editors. I personally think that the "Non-canon Appearances" style (with a link to the canon policy) works the best, as it makes it clear that the appearances aren't canon, links to a page that explains what actually falls under "non-canon", and doesn't mislead the reader/editor into thinking that it only includes media besides games. It's not as ambiguous as "Other Media", which different people can take to mean different things. We could also change "Game(s)" to "Canon Appearances", but I don't feel that's really necessary. 20:22, 20 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the "Other Media" thing is my fault. When I was working on adding information about and, it used to be that infoboxes only had a "Game(s)" section, so I mindlessly added a "Books" section (which later became Other Media) for dumb reasons. :P I say we should just change them to "Non-canon Appearances" and have a link to the policy like you mentioned. --Dany36 (talk) 01:46, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Userbox question
Hello, I was just wondering if somebody who knew how should make a new userbox template for people who have The Minish Cap on Virtual Console. I personally don't have this, but if there are userboxes for all the other Virtual Console games I think there should be one for The Minish Cap. Infernap (talk) 13:07, 23 June 2014 (UTC)


 * It already exists. You can find a list of all Userbox templates . 00:10, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Hyrule Warriors Images
I've been noticing that every single image released so far have been uploaded to the Wiki, which makes me wonder what's the point in it. The gallery section of the page is already oversized, and it looks that is growing even more every day. Similar, the Power Bracelet gallery also have like every single image where Link is using the Gloves, when only one is more than enough. Not even the main canon games have so many images uploaded, so I don't see why a spin-off should, specially since most of them are completely unnecessary.

I hope something can be done with this, because I'm pretty sure the problem will only grow over time, specially since there are still a lot more characters, items, and stages to come...

Background
To the editors: Would you consider changing the background picture for the wiki? Possibly it could be something more Zelda related? Maybe the 25th anniversary picture? With the multiple incarnations of Link on it? Its Zelda related and it looks cool. Thank you for taking the time to read this request. Respond as soon as needed. Thanks.InvisibleGanon (talk) 00:44, 31 July 2014 (UTC) I mean for the main page. The image may be copyrighted though.InvisibleGanon (talk) 17:57, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Signature help
Hi, I'm looking into making a custom signature, but have very little experience in HTML. I have the font that I want but I need help. Any one? Thanks The DJ (talk) 03:48, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Try our signatures help guide. It should be able to help you put one together. 10:30, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
 * My question is with the HTML. I have almost no experience with HTML, and I'd like help with that. The DJ (talk) 22:28, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Terminians ≠ Hylians = Loruleans
I'm really confused here; if Terminians are not considered Hylians even though they're exactly the same anatomically, why are Loruleans Hylians? I don't understand.

Terminians are NOT called Hylians here on the wiki due to the fact that they're not Hyrulean, but with that logic, wouldn't Loruleans be Loruleans? And, I understand the "Terminian Hylian" thing we do, but it still bugs me how in the 'Race' section of every character page, Terminians are never called Hylians, but Loruleans are. —ℕʘℬʘⅅㄚℕʘ1 (ㄒaʟҡ) 00:27, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * As stated here, "Terminan" is merely a demonym, not the name for the species. The articles in which it lists characters as "Terminan" race are simply an oversight. They should all be changed to Hylian. Some of the major relevant articles (Anju, Kafei, etc.) reflect this.
 * Terminan and Lorulian (correlating with "Hylian") are improper species names and should be avoided. Terminan and Lorulean, however, are perfectly fine as demonyms. As shown within the games, Hylians do not need to hail from Hyrule, so "Terminan Hylian" is an acceptable designation (although just "Hylian" should be used in the race section).
 * It would be great if you could help by going around and changing these errors, though. Thanks for pointing this out. 04:28, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * So, to summarize, we need to change all the "Terminian" designations into "Hylian" when it comes to the 'Race/Species' category. Aye aye Captain, I'll get to work :P
 * This kind of an off-topic question, but is the correct term "Terminian" or "Terminan"? I've heard people use both, and I just prefer "Terminian." —ℕʘℬʘⅅㄚℕʘ1 (ㄒaʟҡ) 12:26, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I believe "Terminan" is the most accurate because it does not corrupt "Termina" the way that "Terminian" does. 21:50, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

A Question for HW
On the Bosses of Hyrule Warriors the picture of Gohma is a mess of jumbled text. I've tried with two different computers and my 3DS but it's always the same. I've seen people editing the page and it seems like no one either sees it or knows how to fix it. My question is, is it something on my end and literally no one else sees it cause I've had that happen before. And before anyone can ask I've tried using different internet browser and it's always the same. -- 09:50, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

11:54, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * You're welcome to take your pick from any of these explanations.
 * I'll just quote it for you, here, though:
 * "Due to recent server issues, any images or files uploaded within the last 2 or 3 weeks prior to the first of August are missing from the server. Justin is currently working on restoring these files. Until then, please refrain from re-uploading them until this issue has been resolved."


 * Okay so it's not just me. Thats good to know. Thanks Pakkun -- 12:00, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I believe the issue should be totally fixed. Please let us know if you spot any errors in the future, though. :) 21:23, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Permission Problems
I am currently unable to upload new images to the wiki, and come to a page that says "Forbidden You don't have permission to access /index.php on this server." I'll assume this is my fault. The last time I was uploading images I was having lag issues, and ended up uploading the same thing three times.

If I can be granted permissions again, I promise not to be so impatient next time. If this isn't the cause of the problem, I would like to know what happened so I can avoid future problems. Pixel 4:43, 10 August 2014 (ADT)


 * Pixel, you're a great contributor so I can say it would be highly unlikely that we would try to restrict you in any way over a mistake like uploading three times.
 * That said, we are currently having some server issues which occasionally mess with the permissions. At the moment, all we can do is ask you to be patient while we fix it. It shouldn't be long (a few days, maximum) before it's fixed, but let us know if this problem persists later. 21:23, 10 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm glad to hear that I am not a trouble maker. :) As for the server issues, I'll be patient. Pixel 11:10, 12 August 2014 (ADT)


 * Just to clarify, it's going to take longer than a few days. Despite our best efforts, the scale of the current operation is VERY large. It may take several weeks to fully sort out the new servers. My apologies for the inconveniences, Pixel. 14:43, 12 August 2014 (UTC)


 * It is unfortunate with all that has happened, and thank you for the details you published on the situation, Justin. It sounds like your working over time on the whole mess. As I already mentioned, I will be patient and do what I can in the meantime. I already have the next five Image Request Backgrounds dealt with. Since it maybe some time before they can be published, should I remove the ones I finish from the page or put a mark on them? Just to save peoples time. Pixel 1:46, 12 August 2014 (ADT)

Editor with a love for Zelda...
So I generally am well versed in format and referencing, but I've never worked on a wiki before...is there a place I can go to learn a general rule of thumb, before I started assisting with the wiki? Also, I know one issue with a wiki is finding a reference for each bit of information in the article, and so that's one of the areas I'd love to assist. However, with that, it seems citing that it happened in the actual game through observation isn't a reliable source, correct? What could be in its place? A lets play play through where the listed material occurs? Quotes of the dialogue? Basically, before I go digging around, I just want to make sure I know what I'm doing!


 * You can check the help page to start with, also the Citing Sources page to help you with citations and references. Also, don't forget to sign your posts with ~ . Chuck (talk) 18:07, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Tense
When I was editing the page on Mila from Wind Waker, Pakkun informed me not to use past-tense. This surprises me! If I'm not allowed to write in past-tense (was, said, did, etc.), than what?! My second guess would be future, like "Link must" instead of "Link had to". —ℕʘℬʘⅅㄚℕʘ1 (ㄒaʟҡ) 04:55, 17 August 2014 (UTC)


 * It's fairly simple: use past-tense when referring to events that happened prior to the game. Events of the game (things that transpire after the adventure is started) are present/future. Everything regarding Mila pretty much happens after the adventure starts. The key to it is being sensible enough to know when to use which. Nearly every other page follows this, so it's something that you should pick up on. 08:52, 18 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I have written in present-tense before, like "he can be found in (wherever)," so I was beginning to think it didn't even matter as long as the whole page was consistent… —ℕʘℬʘⅅㄚℕʘ1 (ㄒaʟҡ) 13:01, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Image Upload Help
I have a .png of Rauru facing forward that I screen captured from playing OoT. I've changed the background to a white background from the original screen captured one; I don't know how to remove the background completely. I'd like to upload the image but I know that we need to properly reference it and have the background removed. Can someone help me with that? Any help would be appreciated, thank you. Oniriku (talk) 01:23, 18 August 2014 (UTC)


 * You can upload the image with the background (preferably in .png) and add it to the Image Requests page so other user can remove the background for you. Or you can try it yourself using this tutorial. Chuck (talk) 02:48, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Adding A Source
A pretty silly question for me to be asking at this point, but I wanted to double check before I went further with adding missing images for ALBW. I did look over the help guide, but couldn't find what I was curious about.

I've been using the screen sharing service in Miiverse, so it just hit me, should I be putting Miiverse as my source when uploading these images? And if so, should I link directly to the images page rather then the whole site/community it is based in. If this is all good, I wonder if it would be appropriate to use some of the other images that all players are posting. Pixel 12:54, 20 August 2014 (ADT)


 * When I've retrieved my own images from Miiverse, I always source it as just Miiverse with a link to the general site. As far as using other peoples' images, I'm not sure but I think it's fair game as long as the images are sufficient. We could probably do with a second opinion. 07:02, 21 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure how Miiverse works. If it's possible to get the Miiverse uploader's name, that would be ideal. If not, just do what Pakkun said.


 * It's always OK to use other peoples' images if it's an image from an official Zelda game (screenshot, render, sprite, etc.). The copyrights belong to Nintendo, not the people that got the images. Legally, sourcing the individuals is not actually necessary. We insist on it as a courtesy. As I'm sure you know, a lot of effort can go into retrieving into these images - whether the copyright is yours or not - and we feel people deserve credit for that work. 13:26, 21 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Crediting the person for posting on Miiverse is possible. Their individual post will have the name of the Mii that is set to be visable, (which can and will be a repeats of Link...) but simple clicking the name will show what the account name is of that person. So I would have to assume we would want to credit peoples account names.


 * Assume this is the direction we go in, what kind of formatting would we do with this? Just simple text with the person name in the source field? (ie. Miiverse - CaffeinatedPixel ) Or something that will link somewhere. Pixel 10:12, 21 August 2014 (ADT)


 * Plain text "Miiverse - Account Name" is fine. A link to the specific Miiverse post would be ideal in my opinion. 11:58, 22 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Miiverse - CaffeinatedPixel Seems good then? I'm only guessing with how to link off site right now. X) Pixel 9:34, 22 August 2014 (ADT)


 * Sure. I personally prefer Miiverse - CaffeinatedPixel because I think it looks neater. But it doesn't really matter that much. The important thing is that people be credited one way or another. :) 13:34, 22 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I can support that formate. :) I'll go back and update the ones I've already uploaded once it will let me edit them. Pixel 11:20, 22 August 2014 (ADT)

100% Completion Page Unavailable?
Hello everyone! Every time I play a Zelda game I like to try to 100% it and the wiki has been invaluable for achieving that. However, as of late the 100% Completion page doesn't seem to be working. When searching for the page the result says "400 Bad Request" and "Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand." It would be awesome if you guys could sort that out because it's a really neat resource!

Also, because I frequent the page so often, I've noticed some minor things that I feel are missing from the lists, but I'm not sure whether it's cool to make changes to that particular page. Please let me know, and thank you for your consideration! Rabidporkchop (talk) 20:31, 21 August 2014 (UTC)


 * The site is currently having some server problems, so any page with "%" in its name is not working right now. You can read the full story here, so just be patient meanwhile. Chuck (talk) 22:11, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up! Rabidporkchop (talk) 01:24, 22 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Justin just uploaded the page again, it's a temporarily page until the server problems are fixed. You can check it out here. Chuck (talk) 19:35, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Awesome, that's super helpful. Rabidporkchop (talk) 20:31, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Add an IRC chatroom
I'd like to see a Zelda Wiki IRC chatroom. It'll be a fun place to chat and hang out with other members of the community. It'll also allow people to properly introduce themselves. --Pwwnd123 (talk) 22:04, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed, don't feel like setting up skype just to talk to people... PPLToast (talk) 23:08, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * We can use freenode IRC or DarkMyst. I think either of them are pretty good choices for IRC servers. --Pwwnd123 (talk) 23:41, 29 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm not going to speak on behalf of the total staff, but speaking from our history, chats are effectively the number one means to violently derail from the subject of the wiki. This is why we no longer use Skype to chat.
 * If you would like to solidify your status as an editor and communicate in a relevant and beneficial manner, then I implore you to join the newly-created Zelda Wiki discussion forum, where you're welcome to introduce yourself, voice your opinion on wiki matters and collaborate with other members on group projects. There are plenty of other communities where you may otherwise "hang out," however. 03:03, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I know but it could be an all around place to talk to people and it'll not be just about the wiki but we can talk about anything. It could be a good way to communicate with other users. It's an easy way to talk to users. --Pwwnd123 (talk) 04:48, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
 * We also do have the forums in-general that you can use for general chat and making friends. Previous attempts in having chat rooms had failed, and I don't think anyone really wants to start another one up. And to be honest, IRC chats are difficult to mod unless you have someone sitting in them all the time. If you want to discuss wiki things, then just head to the wiki forums. They were created for that purpose. -The Goron Moron (talk) 05:45, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I do know that, but I could start out by creating the IRC channel on the Darkmyst servers. Do you want me to set up a channel for the Wiki? I could start a test demo of the chatroom. --Pwwnd123 (talk) 03:46, 31 August 2014 (UTC)


 * The general staff consensus is that no, we shouldn't have another chat and that the forums will suffice for us. Particularly at this time, the forums are our top priority community-wise, so we don't want anything to detract from that. Please do not make a chat claiming to represent Zelda Wiki. 00:14, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Don't Delete Z-Target/Cutscene borders from screenshots
It might sound strange, but I prefer keeping them, I'm aware it saves space and looks nicer to some people, but imo it shouldn't be done. Look's horrible in screenshots like these. File:Ganon OoT battle2.png File:Ganon OoT battle.jpg -PPLToast (talk) 15:41, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * For cutscenes we can also use hudless http://imgur.com/bC0nCAz Thoughts?


 * I can understand that cutting the HUD in half just to remove the black lines doesn't look good, but there are ways around this. At least for images like OOT. :) Is this new version alright? File:Ganon OoT battle2.png -- 16:46, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Photoshop magic I guess? Look's pretty good. - PPLToast (talk) 17:23, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Tip for the both of you: if you want to link to an image, do it like this.
 * File:Ganon OoT battle2.png
 * So it turns out like this: File:Ganon OoT battle2.png. I also don't recommend heavily editing images, even if it does make it look nicer. Another option is to simply cut out the black but keep in the HUD. 22:16, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I should have known better for linking the image. X3


 * As for the editing images, I'll try to keep it to a minimum. My goal is to always make the image look the way it should without backgrounds, possible obstructions, or any lighting issues, ect. If there is any time I've done to much, I would hope someone will mention it. I save all the working files of these images as back up, and do the edits in parts. So its easy enough to save out a part of the edit, and remove anything unnecessary. -- 19:01, 6 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Modifying an image is against Copyright Licensing however. An image such as that one should not have its HUD or Z-Targeting removed, nor should have the lighting adjusted. Those are my thoughts at least. The Goron Moron (talk) 22:26, 6 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't be too worried about copyright issues. As long as the alterations are minor I'm fairly certain it doesn't affect our right to claim fair use.


 * I think it's a really an issue of balancing aesthetics against accuracy. The more you edit an image to look nice, the more it departs from what the actual game looks like. For example, this image is a screenshot from an emulator with an enhanced display. It's a higher resolution than what the N64 hardware supports. Also, anti-aliasing has also been turned on, which means the edges are less jagged than they would appear while playing the actual game. This image uses an emulator widescreen hack so you can capture a wider area of the game than would be possible on N64, whose native ratio is the standard 4:3 and not the widescreen 16:9.


 * MarioWiki has a against all this: they encourage matching the resolution of the game and not going beyond it. The way I see it, though, there's nothing actually wrong about these enhanced images, which constitute a good portion of Zelda Wiki's screenshots and renders. From an in-universe perspective, playing on a console or an emulator is like holding up a camera to the Zelda universe: we're merely observing the world through a lens. Whether the lens is wider (emulator widescreen hack) or is more powerful and takes higher-resolution shots, it makes no difference as we're not actually altering the universe itself. If we were to start using an HD texture mod, that would be bad because we're altering the look of the game beyond what most people recognize.


 * A purist approach to images is impractical for the wiki's purposes. What's important is that images are functional visual aids. Minor aesthetic alterations do nothing but improve that. That said, we should make efforts to keep the images as accurate as we can. It would be better to take a new screenshot using a HUD-removal hack than to edit out the HUD after the screenshot is taken. Same goes for lighting. Better to take a new screenshot in a more well-lit area of the game than to adjust brightness and contrast after the fact. The former is ideal, but it's not the end of the world if we do the latter, as long as it actually improves our view of the object. 13:24, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

New Game Category Proposal
Hello, I am Linebeck II and while I am have not extensively contributed to this site I would like to make a proposal to add a New Category to the "Games" Navigation template in order to make the organization of the games tighter. First I would propose that the BS-X section be removed and that the BS Zelda series be moved into the spin-off section. This is due to the fact that the BS Zelda games are by all intents and purposes Spin Off games, they are Nintendo developed Zelda games that are not acknowledged as being a part of the main series. I do not think being a sub-series warrants it's own category.

In it's place I propose be put the "Crossover Games" section. Crossover games being Non-Zelda games that feature playable Zelda characters. To illustrate this new set up of organization I classify each category as following:

Main Games: Zelda games developed and/or published by Nintendo that are officially apart of the main series. Ex. Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time ect.

Spin-off Games: Zelda games developed and/or published by Nintendo that are not officially apart of the main series. Ex. Tingle series, Hyrule Warriors, Ancient Stone Tablets ect.

Licensed Games: Zelda games not developed or published by Nintendo that are also not officially apart of the main series. Ex. Wand of Gamelon, Zelda Game Watch ect.

Crossover Games: Non-Zelda games that feature playable characters from the Zelda series. Ex. Super Smash Bros., Soul Calibur 2, Mario Kart 8 ect.

Other Games: Non-Zelda games that feature a significant amount of Zelda content. Ex. Captain Rainbow, Sonic Lost World, Scribblenauts Unlimited ect.

This is of course just a proposal I've thought about and wanted to run by some people so please tell me how you feel about this possible change. Thank you. Linebeck II (talk) 20:03, 17 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Hey there. We've actually taken your proposal into consideration! I'm afraid we don't agree on all of it, most notably Crossover games as the majority of games under that can just be listed under Other, but there may be some changes made soon. Thanks for bringing it up to us. -[[User:The Goron Moron|The

Goron Moron]] 04:45, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I just think that series like Smash Bros. which actually have you playing as characters from the main series deserve to be highlighted on their own just for going farther than other games like Wario Ware which is more or less akin to cameo appearences. But that's just my opinion. Linebeck II (talk) 06:43, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

If Hyrule warriors is cannon
Now, rember, that they NEVER said at this time if it's cannon or not Now, if this is cannon, then, we get the child and hero is dead timeline,AS ONE!Skull kid and Minda, IN A FIGHT, I PAY TO SEE THAT, now tell me how you'd feel if it was cannon. BYE


 * Not Part of Main Franchise Canon and Timeline. Chill out. 00:21, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Please review our policies before posting in such a manner. Crude language is not permitted on the Wiki. As such, it has been removed. Also, remember to sign your posts with four tildes ( ~ ). 13:51, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Enemy Stats
As we are all aware, the Wiki has been stagnating for quite some times now. Something needs to be done. One of the little ideas niggling in my head was the addition of more information. The Zelda universe has a rich lore, but by comparrison to some, is not quite that vast. This means that the Wiki could put alot more attention to detail. My proposal being, enemy statistics. Every enemy in every game, we could make the effort to analyse health, attack strength, drop rates etc. All in an effort to give more information, making the Wiki simply more usefull. What does everyone think of this idea? Aranok (talk) 13:34, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Interesting idea, finding out the info would require a bit of skill with finding addresses and knowing how stuff works though, take Zelda 1 for example, the way drop rates work in that game isn't that simple. Read about it here, http://tasvideos.org/2091S.html There's also the matter of some enemies having weird health, or being weak to certain attacks. Would the Moblin getting stunned by the Boomerang in OoT count for example? PPLToast (talk) 14:26, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm always for adding more information. With stuff like that, we could also be useful to people looking to speedrun, considering that simple calculation is always useful in planning runs. It would take a lot of research, but maybe our community could use a good project, eh? It has my full, official support. 14:33, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The early guides provided stats for stuff like enemy locations, drops, and how many hits they could take from each weapon (NP's LA guide has a very good version of this). Later games would probably take some testing to implement those, as the guides backed off from in-depth coverage, but I would propose this template as a good example of how to organize these stats. However, given that combat in Zelda is treated as more of a situational puzzle, rather than an HP-gauge, prolonged combat with RPG-style drops, I'm not sure whether coverage of the enemy stats would be truly informative, or verge into gamecruft for the sake of gamecruft.KrytenKoro (talk) 19:43, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Saria question
Ok so Saria is a Kokiri and a sage. Kokiris can't leave the Kokiri forest or they will die ( or in a theory they transform into a korok). Then why is Saria able to leave without dying or (transforms into a korok), is it because she is a sage, she isn't full Kokiri, or is able to go out of the Kokiri forest without the protection of the Great Deku Tree?
 * You are more than welcome to post any theory in the Zelda Universe forums, as this is not longer a place for theories. Also, don't forget to sign your messages using ~ . Chuck (talk) 23:28, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 * im sorry that i put theory i meant to put Saria Question so do you know why? Austinsowers1505 (talk) 20:09, 18 October 2014 (UTC) austinsowers1505
 * That's just said to keep the Kokiri away from any danger outside the forest. Nothing really happens when they leave the forest. Take for example the game credits where Mido is next to King Zora in Lon Lon Ranch. Again, if wish to discuss this type of matters, you are more than welcome to do so in the ZU forums. Chuck (talk) 20:37, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Templates for approval
Okay, apparently I need to get these approved before creating them, so here goes.


 * Template:Storylink: While this isn't needed for most of the games, since characters rarely appear in more than one, and there generally isn't a continuous story for a character between appearances, it is very useful for the rare instances where a character's story does have chapters, i.e., in the manga, Four Swords Adventures, and Hyrule Warriors. If you take a look at the originator wiki, tfwiki, and how they use storylinks, it makes it clear how they can help cite and organize plots without resorting to citing quotes that, sometimes, aren't super relevant to the incident they're being cited for. This is not meant to be a wide-use template, but where it can be used, it'll be pretty useful.
 * Template:C: This is a concatenation template, meant to address the long names used in parsing article titles (i.e., Gerudo Valley (Hyrule Warriors) instead of Gerudo Valley (HW)). The acronyms used by the template are identical to those already used by the title shortcut templates, meaning that they don't require unique knowledge to use the template, and the template further simplifies the coding by auto-piping the link so that you don't have to add in a second title. As an example, instead of coding Gerudo Valley, you would use the much shorter . If non-standard parsers are desired, those can be entered in place of the acronym (so, Gerudo Valley would be  ), and if we want to disguise the link target, a third parameter can be used (so, that dang desert would be  ). Basically, it's a wide-use template for simplifying parsed article links, while also applying the title shortcut templates to them. I can vouch that on the Digimon Wiki, where it is used on a wide scale, it has been found to be amazingly useful and easy to learn.KrytenKoro (talk) 19:28, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, there doesn't appear to have been any discussion on this here, but my templates are already being stripped out of articles, and major cleanup of pages that I've done has been reversed with nothing but "the staff decided upon this", but I can't find that discussion anywhere. What gives? Are my contributions not welcome here?KrytenKoro (talk) 03:54, 28 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry for not giving a response sooner, but here's what I have to say about these:
 * Storylink isn't necessary in my opinion. It also doesn't look very good. I see this sort of thing on Doctor Who Wikia and I'm not even sure if it's good for them to have (and...looking at the unprofessionalism of TF wiki, it most certainly looks like they're an example not to follow). I could see this working with highly disorganized information (where it would be necessary to refer to exact instances every other sentence), but that shouldn't be the case here. I say we should scrap it.
 * Template:C is more complex, however. I personally don't like it. The name's lackluster (template names usually should briefly hint what they do, but this is just a single letter) and doesn't seem user-friendly enough to be widely used across the wiki. There's a reason why Template:Exp isn't used so liberally. It's very much the same reason I don't like to edit Bulbapedia, as they have far too many templates like this that it's simply too difficult to get into without actively trying and consistent editor retention rates seem to be alarmingly low, especially here. I don't care for us to risk driving away some editors with an omnipresent template that's akin to those and only cuts off a few letters at most. For experienced editors, yes, it could be useful, but I don't know if that means it's worth it. I disagree with the notion that it's easy to learn (have you seen beginning editors with wiki code alone?), but I'm not going to be the one to say definitively that we should get rid of it. 04:48, 28 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I can't comment much on the templates myself, but Kryten, please do not make it sound like your edits are not welcomed here. As I already explained earlier, your contributions did not go to waste. They were still utilized in that one article. But that said, people can edit and make decisions for the wiki based on their own discretion. That is a given for any wiki. We're just deciding on what is necessary for the wiki, and how to better organize it - it does not mean that we do not appreciate all edits. So please relax. -The Goron Moron (talk) 05:40, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I would have to dispute the assertion that TF Wiki is "unprofessional" -- they are one of the largest and have some of the most in-depth coverage of any pop culture wiki, and they both include as members many of the staff who run the franchise, and have their work used as a story bible for the staff who run the franchise. Yes, they recognize that the material they're covering is, fundamentally, a piece of entertainment that doesn't take itself seriously, but I would not call that "unprofessionalism". They're very competent and good at what they do.
 * I'm not sure what you mean by "referring to exact instances". What I'm envisioning is basically something exactly like what I had implemented on Wizzro's page -- something with the visibility of a header and the non-interruptionness of a citation, which clarifies the timeline of a character's story and gives the reader access to the article giving fuller context. Can you take a look at this in making your decision?
 * As for template c -- the shortness of the template name is part of the point of the template. Making it into a long "concatenate" would defeat the purpose entirely. In addition, it only cuts off "a few letters" when you're linking something not-parsed by game name -- and within our fandom, the acronyms for the games are fairly wide knowledge. Furthermore, it's not an in-depth, mandatory template -- if a new user doesn't remember all the acronyms or how to code, it's still fairly easy to figure out the workings of when you encounter it, and it is an incredibly useful shortcut for experienced users.KrytenKoro (talk) 15:30, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I dislike how Template:Storylink looks in articles. I've seen wikis simply put the relevant story in parentheses after the relevant sentence, and I prefer that style. This one I find distracting.
 * Template:C I think is absolutely necessary. Sure, the name might not be that intuitive, but I don't know what an intuitive name for it would be. -- Snorlax Monster  12:12, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * So, something like ?KrytenKoro (talk) 14:56, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, I meant just like this . However, I do think that that one looks much nicer than the old way. -- Snorlax Monster  16:08, 30 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I find a lot of plot summaries on this wiki (e.g. character biographies) tend to be too detailed for the topic at hand and could be more succinct. I could see how Storylinks might help with that. I didn't like the original formatting either but I agree with Snorlax that Storylinks2 looks better. :)


 * I want to point out that standard wiki markup has a shortcut that auto-pipes links (for example, ). The concatenation template is only faster when you want to concatenate a game name... which would be the case a lot of the time I'll admit. (Also the markup shortcut doesn't work in galleries at the moment.)


 * Also, many people do not find it easy (or can't be bothered) to figure out the workings of any wiki code. The staff team has been trying to bring in more editors to the wiki, so you can understand why we would be concerned about implementing anything that makes the code more complicated than it already is. That said, one new link formatting template is just a drop in the bucket when you think of all the infoboxes, image syntax, and various special characters everywhere you look.


 * I say let people use Template:C if they want, but let's not go around replacing every pipe link with it, either. 19:57, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

CD-i names
Several CD-i enemies (such as Phyrandaii) only have known names due to the Dutch CD-i magazine CD-interactief. I don't speak Dutch, but I was wondering if anyone who does can get any useful information from these entries:

From this index, there are also entries in 1/2, 4, 5; however, those aren't on the Internet Archive. -- Snorlax Monster  07:52, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

skyward sword addition problem
When skyward sword was released, i started noticing several inconsistencies between pages. One example is the hidden village page states that the Impa from oot was the first with that name so she could not have founded the original Kakariko Village. The release of skyward sword changes this. Ive noticed problems like this across several articles and feel it needs to be looked into.

Is this an OK thing to do?
So there's a page I thought the major Legend of Zelda wiki site's were missing, being a page documenting and explaining connections between the various dimensions in the Zelda universe. So I went over to Zeldapedia, and started up a small page for just that. Now I'm curious if I can just copy and paste the page I made for the other site here. Seeing as I'm it's author (no-one else has even contributed yet) that would be ok right?


 * Regarding copying and pasting, we would rather you do not copy and paste content from Zeldapedia, or any other wiki or site, here. We value having original content written here, and copy and pasting would be plagiarism. But a Dimensions in the Zelda series page actually does sound like a good idea to have. -The Goron Moron (talk) 05:44, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Despite you being the author, we do not wish to have identical content to Zeldapedia. Copy pasting is not and will not ever be okay. In addition, you have released your content under their license, known as the CC-BY-SA, which is incompatible with our license, the GNU-FDL. Because of this, your content is now ineligible for posting on Zelda Wiki, as the two licenses have differing terms which do not allow republishing content from one to the other. We do appreciate your willingness to help, though, and if you can come up with a different way of wording it, then we would be happy to have it. Note that changing several words does not constitute enough difference to exempt the work from the CC-BY-SA license. It must be an entirely new article. It's unfortunate, but that is how copyrights work on written content. 05:51, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

The Zelda Franchise
Starting off with Hyrule warriors is a recent zelda spinoff game with unsurprising success. There are many different characters you can play as including Link,Zelda,Impa,The new character,Lana and even Agitha (for some unknown reason). The gameplay is based off a game called 'Dynasty Warriors' Another very fun game. Compared to ocarina of time, there is about (in my calculations) 130 times the enemies in hyrule Warriors the there is in ocarina of time. HeroOfOlympia (talk) 19:57, 23 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Hey, welcome to the wiki! That's real great and all. But let me just say,

The Discussion Center should be used when discussing proposals, suggestions and questions about the wiki, and what else can be done to improve it. It's not intended for in-general chat. Hope to see you around though! -The Goron Moron (talk) 00:06, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Advertising pages
I was wondering if we could put adverts here.I feel like I need to ask.I don't want to get into trouble.I thought of it because I like to meet people,talk,and help out.I hope somebody sees this and replies.Reply on my talk page.I only come weekly though.
 * This is an encyclopedia, not a place for adverts. If you wish to meet people and talk about the Zelda series, you can do so in the Zelda Universe Forums. Also, sandboxes are used to work in projects related to the Wiki, not as forums. If you wish to help out the Wiki, I suggest you read the help page if you haven't already. Also, remember to sign your posts by using ~ . Chuck (talk) 04:30, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok.But this was not my question.Sorry about my friend.He found my iPod while I was playing Wii(yeah it was a Zelda game,I got occupied)