User talk:Axiomist1875@legacy41958496

Ah Fresh clean Archived start. 14:51, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Tingle Statues
Man, I can't edit the Tingle Statues page with my info from the Forbidden and Goddess statues. I'm on my PSP and would cause information to be deleted. I won't have computer access for a bit, so you'll have to fix it up.Neo 02:50, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok. I'll get to that. If you intend to create the page for all of them, you may. I can just redirect them after moving the info. Thanks for cooperating. 02:53, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm? You're saying that I can make the other three pages and you'll just redirect them to the Tingle Statues page so that people who used the bracket links would get valid pages? (Because I made them since they were on the wanted pages list.)

Edit
I'll avoid posting images of every text line. I wish that theory would have been left in since I spent hours working on it.--Wtc4ever 05:27, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I apologize for that. You can place it in your user page. Right now all ZW's theories are in jeopardy with many other staff members. We have to keep it pretty lean until we come to a final agreement on what to do with theories. The main thing we accept right now is theories that are commonly found on MasterMind forums. You need to summarize the actual theory to just a few sentences and then have facts backing it up. You can use your userpage by clicking on your name and creating the page. This is the best place for personal theories. Anyway, thanks for understanding. I'm hoping you'll still upload images since we need so many. 05:32, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

How did we overlook this?
Hey, uh...we have a BIG problem. This page is what the Four Swords Aventures on the main page redirects to. You'll notice that it says Fours Swords Adeventures. You need to change the link to the real page, kay? XD Neo 00:09, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * We have the real page, here. 01:46, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I know. But go to the main page and click on the link. You'll get the page I linked to.Neo 01:59, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * You're referring to the icon on the Main Page, correct? That links to the correct game for me. 02:04, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

I got it to work. I don't know if it was a one-time error, but it's up and working, now. Thanks.Neo 02:16, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No it was in the GameNav bar it linked to Fours Swords Adventures, I took the extra s out as soon as you told me. That's why you guys didn't see it anymore. 11:06, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: Speaking Style
Yeah, I wasn't sure of what to say. I figured that "the player" would work, but I'll just use Link, if that's the preference. It just seems...strange to do so.Neo 02:02, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a little odd, I know, but we figure to have some kind of consistency, so we try for articles either written mostly 'in-universe' or out. The Glitch and Hack page articles are good examples of things 'the player, you, gammers, etc' would be fine with, but dungeons, items, in-game details we aim for in universe speaking. For example, You don't get a health refill, Link does. 11:06, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Block Removal Request
Axiomist, this is Chris. Matt has blocked my account for fabricated reasons, and I have been trying to negotiate an end to this dispute between the two of us with him. However, I am writing to ask if you can help in this effort or remove the block from my account yourself, as I have done nothing wrong and nothing to merit it. I would appreciate your counsel in this situation. Chris87 16:40, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Image Deletion
Hey Ax. Could you delete these images and their respective talk pages? I fear they've been lost under the pile. Most of them are ones I've added transparency to. The linking files have all been replaced, and the links to the new files are posted on the talk pages.


 * http://www.zeldawiki.org/File:Characters_11.jpg
 * http://www.zeldawiki.org/File:PHredLinkwForceGem.jpg
 * http://www.zeldawiki.org/File:Buriki.jpg
 * http://www.zeldawiki.org/File:Loveya.jpg
 * http://www.zeldawiki.org/File:Lion.jpg
 * http://www.zeldawiki.org/File:Kakashi.jpg
 * http://www.zeldawiki.org/File:Rickyflute.jpg
 * http://www.zeldawiki.org/File_talk:Scene-agahnim.jpg

Sorry to bug 'ya. Thanks. 22:39, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Just tag the images with the tag. No need to make a talk page for each saying to delete it. We'll browse this thing occasionally and see if any of the images in it can should go. Or we'll delete them as we see the tags go on them. 22:43, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Hyrule page locked
Axiomist, can you speak to Xizor and see why he felt it necessary to lock the Hyrule page? Or can you unlock it yourself? We're very close to the completion of work on it, but Dany can't put the references in and we can't finish up the races section on the main page due to Xizor's lock. I have asked about it on the talk page, but just in case some don't see it, I am contacting you to see if you can resolve this and unlock the page for us so we can finish. Thanks, and I hope to hear back from you soon. Chris Link87 14:30, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

New Pages
Boy you just be goin' crazy with these new pages. Good work. =P Hopefully others will go back and make them beautiful! =D --Xizor 01:43, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm hoping so too, but not entirely expecting so. :P I'm calling it our article counts last hurrah. After this weekend I can get back to merging pages that have no right to exist (alone anyway). 03:19, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, good job, Ax. I'll help you keep up as well. 03:37, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Just sayin' thanks for deleting that pic of me. I had planned to put it on my page but then decided against it. 01:27, 29 September 2009 (UTC)


 * No problem, once the image thing is fixed you are welcome to have a personal pic tho. Just so you know and don't think we don't allow it. 01:28, 29 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I figured that it was allowed since the ZD user template had room for one. It was just oversized. Also, I don't like spreading photos of myself on impersonal sites such as this. 02:08, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, But I already know
Thank's for letting me know that. On ZP, not too many people would have told me that, but unfortunatly, I already know that. I just sign it that way so not too many people get angry about the "Knight of Zeldapedia" thing. Mr kmil 12:33, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


 * No problem. I appreciate the hostility that ZP has been shown not being returned on us. 21:12, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Font
What font do you use for your user talk link in your signature? It's quite fancy, and I wouldn't mind having my name show up in that. 12:37, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Script. User:Axiomist/sig you can see the source code there to make it easier for you. You might have to enlarge letters using it. Script makes everything smaller. 15:46, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool. Thanks. You don't mind if I steal that, do you? :3 18:28, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It's as much yours as mine ;) BTW. About Zeldapedia which is here isn't a part of this wiki, so it's not run by anyone here. The major difference between them and us is that we generally agree to merging similar content to one page, whereas they'll split it to individual pages. That's the most noticeable aspect. 21:12, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Well that's...pointless. Why have 3366238902779126 tiny articles when you can have 2000 big ones? 22:13, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Question
What exactly is an "inline redirect?" 04:20, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If you click on or search for a term that the article isn't exactly named but redirects to like: Town Flower you'll see at the top of the page a small arrow and text that says "Redirected from Town Flower". Some of us think it's barely noticeable and others see it as highly unacceptable. 04:25, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait...they get all mad because it shows up at the top? 19:54, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they've been weeding the inline redirects out of articles. I'm too passive on it to do so myself. The only thing I ask is the redirect go to the right page. My concern is that after closing the project and declaring ZW to be free of redirected pipelinks, they may move to enact a policy; which in all probability would cause users to avoid the trickier pipelinks or even interwiking linking altogether. 04:43, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I personally think inline redirects are great. Sure, right now Town Flower is only worthy of a paragraph within a larger page. But what about when The Legend Of Zelda - The Quest For The Many Town Flowers and The Legend Of Zelda - More Town Flowers Abound come out, we might want to change that. And then we have to go back and re-edit all those pages that had the inline redirects removed. -- 06:04, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Glad to see more viewpoints, you may use Template:User Redirects on your user page to show your support/opposition. It hasn't come up as a major issue yet, but I think as long as it's clear there's no overwhelming consensus, disputes will be avoided.

Btw, Petenu, do you have any quick easy method of getting pixel coordinates from an image? I'm trying to make One of these out of This. 06:17, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Call me Pete. I'd say that the simplest way of getting the coordinates that you need would be to open the image in your editor of choice (Photoshop, GIMP, MS Paint) and then move the cursor around the image - the coordinates of the point where the pointer is hovering will be displayed in the status bar. -- 08:36, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I've made a start on this template at Template:OoSNav. -- 10:58, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You can also use this - http://toolserver.org/~dapete/ImageMapEdit/ImageMapEdit.html?en -- 11:24, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah I saw the ImageMapEdit tool, it's completely worthless. It's requires one to be too finesse with the mouse and no zooming :P. The status bar of MsPaint will do the trick :P All those years of ignoring it....and now I need it and didn't even see it. Thanks for getting it all together Pete :D I'll place it on all of the pages it links to, save the dungeons. The map is missing some, probably in Subrosia. 03:24, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, the final level's entrance is in Subrosia. I'm not sure of the best way to handle that. A separate map for Subrosia, perhaps? -- 07:48, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If I may butt in... Yes, the final dungeon is in Subrosia, but it's possible to pinpoint where it is. You can take the warp point in the overworld, and line it up with the one that's just south of the Sword and Shield Maze. 20:16, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Alrighty, I'll make up a separate map for Subrosia. Not all of these areas have articles, but nothing wrong with Wanted Pages, imo. Some of them like West Lynna are just going to the Lynna article when I get to that. 22:39, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Question About a New Reference Format
Hey Ax, I got a question for you: Nathan has brought something to my attention that I suppose could have some points to it, and that is the format we currently have for references. That reminded me of something you and I were discussing one night not long ago, concerning the "Show" technology we've been tinkering with. Do you think that feature could be altered to where, instead of going to the bottom of the page for references or quotations and having to go from top to bottom each time, we could have a feature where the number causes a box to pop up with the quote in it without having to lose one's place in the article? I'm not sure if such a feature exists or is even able to be made, but I figured if anyone knew it would be you. I'm just trying to think of a way to address concerns like Nathan's about having to jump from top to bottom and lose your place each time. I'm all right either way, but I just thought I'd ask so as to see if there's anything that can help find a resolution to issues like this. Talk to you soon. Link87 19:26, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm reading up on what the issue is. I'll see about getting improving what we have now and all. 03:26, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Please
Can you please tell Neo to stop making threats? Wowzeras 02:54, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * 1. This has nothing to do with Zelda Wiki.
 * 2. It's not a threat. Z311 broke Wikia's rules. 04:18, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Neo you seriousy are showing your maturity level, and its not very high. Sorry to inform you but Wikia does not care about you and will continue to not care about you. I would comment on the stal wiki, but guess what? I've been blocked there for no reason dealing with that wiki. And guess what? Wikia didn't do anything about it. And in your case, they have better things to do with their time than worry about an 18 year old who acts like hes 8, and has a tendancy to speak hate rethoric. So yes you are threatening our sister wiki, and no Wikia will not do anything about it. All that is going to happen is you potentially getting global blocked for being an anti-semite; i.e. your feeble attempts to cause havoc are useless. --EDJoe45 04:29, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I have a hunch he used the term 'Jewson' which is a well known community joke on this wiki's owner Jason. But anyway, whatever happened on Wikia is Wikia's problem and the talk page spill-over from it all is becoming our problem. This is a firm warning, next person to further that discussion is blocked here, 5 days! So either comment about it off the wiki or let it go. Same goes for anyone responding to it before the block is in. This includes Neo, ZP members, and anyone new.

Now, our staff is trying to put together a policy on dealing with the two sites. But this isn't helping us at all. 06:07, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Legal Ramifications
I love how you knew immediately that "Jewson" was involved XD

Anyways, isn't it perfectly fine to make something similar to our template on another wiki, provided that the page isn't copied and pasted? 04:04, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you mean the shortcuts we use for inserting game names (such as Template:AOL)? There's nothing original or ZW-specific about these at all; it's just a clever use of the standard Mediawiki function of template transclusion as a shortcut to avoid typing a long string of text. There's not even any code or customisation involved, it's just a chunk of text saved as a usefully-named template, so anyone's free to use the same principle anywhere. 12:15, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * So any Mediawiki template can be taken and used legally by another wiki? 19:18, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

wow and to think that know one on zelda gazette or zeldapedia can understand this.--Ironknuckle1 20:19, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, to be fair you didn't call him Jewson(we wouldn't have liked it anyways) but Jew Bastard. And stop trying to "trap" or get us into trouble just because your blocked Neo. And the block has changed to six months for seperate purposes, unrelated to the copyright issiues.Wowzeras 00:18, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Wowzeras, you've been warned to drop the subject. I suggest you follow the admins' advice. Don't intrude on conversations you aren't included in, please. 01:57, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I prefer CC here as well. CC

Well you were both warned Neo, don't taunt CC/Wowzeras anymore and you might be amazed by how quickly problems dissolve. That's all we ask. I mean we get it, you were banned at Zeldapedia. Wikia has a different set of rules than we do. Or they might have their rules defined and written out more than we do. There's really nothing we can do about anyone's Wikia experience. Btw, what were you trying to do in the Sandbox (inline redirect test)? 05:34, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I wanted to see what would happen if you tried to redirect in the middle of a page. It didn't do anything, obviously. 10:37, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

No
What you said to TheNewSheik has guarenteed a no from ZP. This type of harrasement won't be tolerated. Your egotism is shocking actually, and I thought I was cocky. Stay in your hole man.CC 00:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Axi, can you register at Ordon Village and get on the shoutbox, please? (I have no Skype right now, and I'm on my Wii, so a private shoutbox chat will have to do.) This is quite important. 00:38, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I said a lot to him, care to be specific? Firstly he should be seen as undermining whomever of you came to mediate disputes by taking matters into his own incapable hands. Secondly, we looked at both of the articles bc we don't want anyone copy/pasting from Zeldapedia, Wikipedia, Hylian Almanac, or any other wiki. Thirdly, The accusations would be easier to deal with if you guys would paste specific text that was copied. The articles as a whole are naturally going to be similar. And lastly, admins from here haven't been the trouble at your wiki, we've told the accused ZW users not to engage in disputes there, but ultimately that's their own decision. What more do you want? 00:42, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Neo, give me a bit to finish up a few things then I'll get to it. 00:42, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. 00:43, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

"Aww come on Chris, this is now my favorite accuser. I mean if people judge the site he represents and/or his accusations by the gibberish he types, then well, that makes this wiki look brilliant! I don't want him to go away as long as he makes it clear he's a Zeldapedia Editor, so no one thinks this is one of ours. Axiomist (talk) 07:29, 1 November 2009 (UTC)"
 * You should be blocked. He's from Brazil FYI.CC 00:49, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * If it'll appease you and your friends, I'll sign up for a Wikia account and you can instantly ban it. You can make the case for me to be banned here, or even removed. If it's for the better of this wiki, I'll accept it with no attempts to thwart anyone. I offer him no apologies, bc I'm tired of this dispute. It seems each of Zeldapedia's members are coming around just to be pesty. We want to hear from you guys if there are issues to be dealt with. We don't even require you to do anything else, the same couldn't be said of Zeldapedia. I keep hearing of people being blocked and deleted there for any plausible reason. But in all honesty, I'm glad this wiki was chosen as the arena. That gives us control over whether or not the negative side of ZP is deleted; which it won't be. We want others to see how ZP behaves, with the mass deletions over there, and the fact that this staff hasn't done anything at Wikia; our point is only further reinforced. 02:30, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Okay
So we're good for awhile, now, right? Please don't egg them on with insults next time, Axi. Even you said that we want to keep this professional and fight clean. Not with those exact words, perhaps, but nonetheless. 02:22, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

The Music Links
Here's an idea, and maybe you can help me with this - I was thinking of externally sourcing music files, but embedding a small mp3 player directly into the articles to play these files, integrating them totally instead of following a link - which as we've seen, doesn't always work =/. OR we could figure a way to get this wiki to support the uploading of .ogg/ .wav/ .mp3 files, and we could bypass the player altogether. What do you think? 03:36, 6 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Adam had tested it File:Test.ogg and File:Test.ogv. I haven't discussed the issue with him and he's away for the weekend. I guess we can find out what he did, find a wiki that has it enabled and back engineer it. Or wait on him since he's been the medium between ZW, Mediawiki, and various other wikis. He's a huge help when it came time to figure out most of the other gimmicks we've enabled :P. I think the main issue concerning him as he mentioned here, is that if the legality of the files ever changes ZW will be immune as long as we aren't the actual host. The disc space thing is comparable to how we've enabled youtube videos without uploading them, so I think something like that will be done. 04:59, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah yes, I remember that... sounds good =) and I may be joining the ZW crew on skype soon - I always find myself on here doing all kinds of things =P 06:17, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


 * We'd be glad to have you. :D We discuss alot of things like that on Skype to keep the page clutter down and ideas fail in private instead of public . We also go through a lot of MediaWiki link pasting in there, that would make a sheer mess of talk pages here. So yeah, Skype is vital to us, and in the spirit of everyone has a say when it comes to wikis we try to get more people in. 06:32, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Spammer
I recommend protecting the Ugg boots page so the spammer can't recreate it. 07:36, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well the spammer keeps changing the name. I'm adding her to the blacklist now. 07:37, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * She must have an accursed IP scrambler. She's been here forever. 07:39, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think so too. I have no way to ban by a Mac ID, but hopefully making it harder for her sends her to other wikis. :P I googled her name before I blacklisted her the first time, then she switched the name around. 07:41, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

*Sigh* this is crap. Oh, and don't forget to blacklist Ugg. The title always has that word. 07:43, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Wow
No one else is here. Whatcha doin'? 09:16, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Logging off soon. I was getting through an installation of Vista, which I procrastinated all year long. Anyhow, I commented on your latest merge suggestion. The staff here is mulling over a new namespace for Website articles, which will not count them in our article count anymore. One facet of this will be to merge the News pages by year. If you and Cipriano119 would like. I'll let you guys help me merge the news articles, once approved in the staff chat. It may very well be the largest merge project ever undertaken. 09:22, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hoo, boy. I'm game. I also saw your comment. I'm becoming a big-time mergist all of a sudden! I think I've found my wiki calling :3 Anyways, see you later. 09:26, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear that, if you want to look it over while its awaiting decisions Talk:Wiki News System In Place, This is for 2005, 2006 has 23 pages... And then there's '07 and '08. I'm hoping each of our mergist want a piece of this one. 09:31, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, but are you an Alpha Mergist? 09:35, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Not if it hinders on the bathroom break! I was just signed out when MSN alerted me of a message :p. I'll just once again advertise this and hope an Alphamergist would be so kind to distinguish the tenets of such. But I didn't protect that page, even tho I have that power, bc I hope people add to it or tweak it so everyone can find something they like or don't like. I'll admit my stances might be evident in there, but that can be fixed by the sheer spirit of a wiki! Well night all. I'm turning in now :p 09:42, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I can't find any mention of the term "Alphamergist" or "Alpha mergist" anywhere on the internet, so I strongly suspect that Cipriano 119 invented the term and is hoping that it takes off. 09:46, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

He used it like "Alpha Male," so I'm not surprised. 09:51, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Petenu, you actually looked it up? :) oh you guys are silly. Oh, and I'd be down to help Ax, if you need it, being an Alpha Mergist and all. 05:03, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol, most of the terms on that page were made up. Adam started it with the "inline redirect" one and I just got carried away from there bc it interested me. I'd appreciate the help. We'll get every wiki on the internet to read it! 05:08, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

A way to stop stubs
Hey man, its calibure, I just came up with this really good way of lowering the amount of stubs/articles needing improving/ articles needing photos but i didn't know where to post it, I didn't want to post it on the main wall as it may be a bad idea, so yeah I need your help, as you're an admin an' all, if everyone was assigned an article to create/improve once a month then it would seriously lower the stubs/articles neeeding...to tired to write it all again :p, but would this be a good idea? Calibure 17:04, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That's actually a pretty good idea. I mean we have the Image Requests which serves as an image specific march towards improving ZW. Lately on skype Noble Wrot had been taking assignment articles from me. Grass Whistles for example, was 2 separate stubs as Horse Whistle and Hawk Whistle, when even the TP manual lumped them together as Grass Whistles. I think the best implementation of such a system would be a page with like 10 or so articles listed and a section: Article Expansion Tips covering methods or even better comparable articles to serve as a model to work with. I guess at this point you could see who all would want to be involved in it. And I can see what sort of staff support it would have. 23:49, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok thanks man, how would we make it happen though Calibure 12:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll see if I can revive Zelda Wiki.org:Pieces of Heart with a new direction to match what you are talking about. It's otherwise Deadspace. 18:12, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Scratch that I looked at it, it's the archive for Hyrule Castle. Guess I'll archive HC and start a new section for this. 21:17, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Awesome. thanks man, do you need any help doing it? Calibure 10:51, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Help is always appreciated. I marked up a page in my sandbox here, you may edit in anything you think I missed. 10:54, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

wow man, it looks awesome! Im gonna go post the link on the main wall Calibure 16:41, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Super Mario Bros.
I killed all the links. Go check it out. 02:11, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Admin Suggestion
Hey, Axi. I have someone I want to suggest for admin. You probably already know who it is, too. Alter.

Let me make the case.

Alter is quite the helpful editor. He's already an auto-patroll editor and has contributed so much to us. His image work is astounding, his contributions have meaning, and he's an all-around great guy who's easy to get along with. He would make the perfect staff member, really. I'm not doing this because I consider him a friend. I'm doing this because I see his potential for greatness. You have to agree that he's no slouch, really. He's very active in bettering the wiki in numerous ways.

I believe we should have a community vote to see if people find him to be admin material. I know the opinion of one isn't really much, but you must admit that people don't usually request adminship for other editors whom they find to be worthy. I find him quite worthy, and you know that I've a good head on my shoulders.

Consider my suggestion, at least, please? The guy deserves it. Thanks for reading. 04:05, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, and Hornytoad hardly seems to be an acceptible name. 04:07, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I was under the impression that Alter was aiming for Bureaucrat status with a site in the works. I had to push the issue pretty hard to get him the AutoPatrol rights. I can add to your list of Alter attributes that I like since I've gotten to know him pretty well in Skype. He's shown he can work pretty well with others, He's taken initiative to try new things such as the downloadable ZW toolbar, and so on. But these decisions aren't up to just me. I think people really grow themselves with staff positions here. Sometimes I wonder who all would want it, and think we could probably pick from such a pool instead of how random it has been so far. People had been chosen while ZW was in desperate need of staff instead of as preparation for the need. 22:13, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Umm...you lost me towards the end. Could you elaborate a bit? 22:17, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm just saying that right now there's no immediate need for staff, but having several candidates in consideration would be a positive change. Your following topic touches on the primary issue raised when Alter's name is brought up in our Staff Chats. 22:30, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I see. What about the loss of Matt as staff?
 * And I'm not too sure he's the one that did it. Apparently, some staff know who the true guy was, but I don't know who's telling the truth, there. Ask the rest of the staff and see, although I think it may be his way of covering it up. I can't see any of the staff members doing that. 22:36, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Matt, with all due respect to him and in appreciation for what he has done for the wiki, has done some highly controversial things in the past Neo, and the staff of the wiki I'm sure know other things that I don't even know. But I don't question their decision there, as I take them at their word that they did what they did judging it was best overall. I believe them when they say there were legitimate concerns about Matt as I witnessed some of them myself though certainly not all. Conspiracy theories about cover-ups and the like don't seem likely in this case.


 * That being said, I do definitely support Alter for admin too, if a position does indeed come open. I do believe he'd be an excellent selection as he has shown dedication to the wiki and has done excellent work. But as Ax said, if no positions are really needed right now, then that's the decision of the staff to not add to it at the present time. If one that is needed does come open however, I definitely support Alter's bid for a staff position. Link87 01:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Possible Ideas for ZW-ZP treaty?
This may interest you. It's my views on the whole ZP/ZW thing, and I listed some ideas for a treaty. Check it out and think about them. 22:14, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * There's a few bones to pick with it, for one, If someone makes an acct with my name and vandalizes ZP, then we'd have to follow suit here and ban me. There's a few parts that would be too open to subjectivity. It's a bold effort for you to have created on your own. The policy we have has been worked on and revised several times, but we are waiting for Adam to get back, look it over, change this one last aspect we don't have total agreement on and launch it as Policy here. 22:30, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm...You're right. I never thought of that. Well, I'm eager to see what you've all made, here. I trust it will get the job done. 22:33, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I trust the admin council's decision regardless of what that may be, but on the other hand, we're not here to cater to ZP. It's my opinion that they stay in their territory and we stay in ours. They have been the instigators of a lot of grief here, and in 9 out of 10 cases they are the guilty party. And being realistic, as much as many of us would love to see it Neo, there will likely never be peace between ZW and ZP because ZP has been noted to have stolen material from our wiki (I've seen proof with my own eyes) and comes over here starting trouble whenever they think we're doing better than they. It's admirable to try to be neutral in the fray, but it's extremely naive to believe that ZP's not been one of the biggest sources of the problems between the wikis. If they have problems with things, they need to straighten that out for themselves, we shouldn't have to be the ones catering to them. Link87 01:34, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I know they steal from us. I've seen the proof, too. While they may not handle these situations well, you have to admit that some of our people have probably stolen as well. Of course we don't have ADMINS stealing from ZP, though. In any case, the admins will do the right thing. They always have. 02:38, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * To me, the only right thing for ZP to do is to stay out of our way and quit making trouble here if they are going to bring baseless, proof-less accusations against our users and not engage in a civil conversation. I'd love to see peace between the two, but unfortunately certain members on their side make that almost impossible when they come here, wrongfully bashing our admin council and rudely accusing our members of false accusations. It's also not helpful when some of our members seem to condone that behavior on their part. They have every right to voice their opinion, but in a respectful and civil manner with proof of issues in hand. They have no right to come here and start a bunch of name-calling and trouble-making, and that kind of behavior needs to be condemned, not condoned. Link87 03:27, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I know they do that. I was a victim of it. 03:41, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well with all due respect and no offense intended at all, next time they come here acting like that, don't encourage them by trying to play along with their users like EDJ that treat our members poorly. We have done nothing to deserve that kind of treatment, nor have you, so don't encourage people like him when they are in the wrong. Folks like him that badmouth all of us need to be turned in to the admin council and dealt with accordingly. Link87 03:45, 12 November 2009 (UTC)