Talk:Characters in Majora's Mask

Lack of images
Because of the lack of images, I am unable to complete the full list. I might have just forgotten some, but I need images for:

Honey and Darling

The Treasure Shop Girl

The Jugglers

Anju's Grandmother

The Gorman Brothers

A MM picture of Biggoron

Captain Viscen (in fact, I need a PAGE for him)

The Beavers at Waterfall Rapids (need a page for them too)

Better pictures for ANY picture currently listed featuring in-game play. (eg. Poe Salesman, mr. bartan)

If you can help, I'll much appreciate it. --Yuvorias, 12:52, 21 April 2008 (EST)


 * Alright, sure, but you do realize that this page is in a completely different format than the other character listing pages? :/ Creates a massive inconsistency, yes? This page may need to be redone (mainly just expanding the gallery into sectioned character listings). --Ando (T) 02:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I did not realise that. I'll look at the other pages and see what I can do. --Yuvorias

I based this on the Ocarina of Time listing. This should meet requirements, if Ocarina of Time does. --Yuvorias


 * Oh, wow; turns out that half of the character listing pages follow this format while the other half follow a different format. This needs to be addressed. What to do? I guess we should take a vote and see which format is preferred more. --Ando (T) 04:34, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I've just looked at the different formats. The format used on the Majora's Mask page is both cleaner and nicer to look at. Plus, the descriptions are not needed because every character has a link to their "main article" anyway. Why write the same things twice? I also see no reason why the "Other Characters" shouldn't have pictures like everyone else and I find significant inconsistancies in what is considered a "secondary character" or an "other character". I expected that secondary characters would be required to interact with to complete the game. However, istead I find that Kafei, Anju, and a handful of other Bomber Notebook-only characters are listed here while some other characters (Professor Shikashi, Aveil, Gibdo Man/Pamela's Father, Flat, Pamela, Koume and Kotake, and the Great Fairy) who you absolutely must interact with to complete the game are listed as "other characters". While I can see how some Bomber Notebook characters, like Kafei and Anju, are more significant than others (like the Rosa Sisters) I see no reason why they should be listed as "more important" than other characters who actually help you beat the game. --Sheik-Yumil1988 05:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah, an excellent point. You've sharp eyes.

I'll reverse this then, and this is how I'll do it: Characters that MUST be talked to in order to complete the game will become secondary characters. Others, like Shiro, will be listed in "Others". Is that satisfactory to everyone involved? I'll wait for a few answers before I start...

One more thing--should we leave "others" as just a hyperlink for each character, or should we give them a gallery too, like I started with? I agree with Sheik, I think every character deserves a picture. --Yuvorias, 21:44, 21 April 2008 (EST)

Edit: I'll wait until 22:00, then I'm going to change this article. If anyone involved dislikes what becomes of it, it can always be reverted. Such is the beauty of the Wiki.


 * I have an argument from the characters you need to talk to to beat the game as being more important. I believe that the attention the character recieves in the game should be used, thus putting Anju and Kafei at a higher standing then, lets say, the business scrub from Clock Town. I really don't see him as being more important then Anju and Kafei. If we just use characters that have more backstory and more information about them at higher points it will be much cleaner.--Magnus orion 21:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Done
I thought I'd start a new section, just so we don't have to spend any time searching.

Anyway, I've done what I currently can. If you have any problems with this new format, please bring it up. If I'm missing a character in the list, the chances are that a picture doesn't currently exist for them on the Zelda Wiki (at least, it wasn't when I searched). As there are many characters in MM, I may have simply overlooked one or two.

The secondary characters, with the exception of Kafei and Anju, are all characters which require speaking to at least once to complete the game. Kafei and Anju are up there because they have the largest side-quest in the entire game.

I shall repeat this format for Oracle of Ages and Seasons character lists. --Yuvorias, 22:15, 21 April 2008 (EST)

Format
I designed the other format used here and mentioned above. Truthfully, I don't actually care for it that much any more, however it does have a notable advantage over the gallery based format used here. If there is no picture of a character, they can't be included within the gallery and have to be either missed out, or tacked on the end list-style, which isn't great. The other format is less image-dependent, however the brief 1-2 sentence descriptions (which I added for ease of use, and to fill the gap a little) are prone to misuse (i.e people thinking they need to write a full article there). It doesn't matter to me which is used. The gallery-style is easier to use and looks better IMO, but only as long as the image-dependency can be worked around/overcome. However, Ando is correct; we need to pick one and stick to it, because using both is messy and inconsistent. —Adam (talk) 17:56, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * If I may make my own biased suggestion (as creator and sole editor ((so far)) of the Characters in Link's Awakening article), I think that we should seperate them into two groups, 2-D games, which tend to have less art and instead smaller sprites for us to use, should use the list version. Also, my precious article contains certain characters whose existance is absent from the wiki with pages, and is probably right that way, as many characters in 2-D games dont have near as much "fleshing out" as in the 3-D games. Thus the Gallery style is cleaner for 3-D games (so wind waker should be altered), but list style should remain constant for 2-D games (like mine). A compromise would have article links to all major characters with a gallery style artwork, while all minor characters use the list style. This is my humble opinion--Magnus orion 21:32, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I like the idea of a 2-D/3-D split; that seems to make the best use of each format while taking into account the resources available for each type of game. I think I made a template containing the formatting for the list style (now 2-D) so I'll dig that out and link to it here. —Adam (talk) 06:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * EDIT: here it is: Template:Char It includes a {{main| link though, so the markup may have to be used manually still for some characters. Should help keep the page a bit cleaner and easier to use though. Let me know if you have any problems using it (I only tested it a little and don't know how well I made it ;)