Talk:Master Sword

Four Sword
Could the Master sword be the Four Sword?

No. Thesubrosian 19:34, 7 January 2007 (CST)


 * I second this no. Consider it seconded. --Jase 20:35, 7 January 2007 (CST)

Why considering there are some similarities and the lack of a theory reguarding the masterswords origin? and if they are not the same where did the Four Sword go?


 * Why, it exploded, of course. --Jase 13:31, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

Oh yeah, and who exploded it?!
 * Whoever they sealed in the sword got to powerful and broke out(KaBoom goes the sword)
 * Well, the original Picori Blade strongly resembles the Master Sword, and the Four Sword of TMC and the other games strongly differ - the "latter" games have Vaati's symbol on them, since he was sealed within. Furthermore, the original Four Sword of TMC is considered a blade of evil's bane, while the latter Four Swords are "cursed". Could it be that the bane part split from the Four Sword because it could not coexist with Vaati's evil? Or it could have been drawn out because it was no longer working while coexisting - either way, couldn't that be the case?128.211.183.86 00:06, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Magical Sword
Reverted the last edit. The Official Site's stating that the Master Sword and Magical Sword are one and the same is not definitive proof- especially considering it also states there is only one Link. While I personally believe that they ARE the same sword, there isn't sufficient proof to say for certain, thus, stating that it was "formerly known as the Magical Sword" is an improper statement. We cannot say either way at this point. So leave it as a mention that the official site states it appeared in LoZ and AoL and with an attached link to Magical Sword, please. Dinosaur bob 09:45, 9 October 2007 (EDT)

Writing on the Hilt?
Does anyone here who understands/is able to read Hylian think they could try to translate the writing on the Master Sword's hilt in this closeup from the official art from Twilight Princess showing Link wielding the blade?

Here's the pic:

Thanks for your help! Dinosaur bob 14:19, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

I'm hoping this can be translated, partially at the very least. Having the translated inscription would be a big boost for the article, eh? Dinosaur bob 22:39, 19 October 2007 (EDT)

Wow! Awesome picture! Someone totally needs to translate this, I would but I don't know Hylian!--Green 23:41, 19 October 2007 (EDT)

It looks more a design to me.--Link hero of light 20:08, 28 January 2008 (EST)


 * Nope, that's definately Hylian. If I had more time I'd do the translation now, but it must wait until tomorrow (sleep, you see). Once I finish with school tomorrow I'll see what I can do. Fortunately I know Hylian and some Japanese. :P --Ando 21:43, 28 January 2008 (EST)

I wonder what it will say. I think it will be just a jumble of letters, but it might actually say something (I hope).--Link hero of light 21:47, 28 January 2008 (EST)

Anyway, how do you know Hylian?--Link hero of light 19:56, 29 January 2008 (EST)


 * Hylian is just different symbols for Japanese, so once you know the Japanese word for something, you can figure out the Hylian based off of that. That, and there's also this site. :P


 * Regarding translation status, though, BLARG. Quite a bit of the text is rather difficult to read, as it wasn't marked very clearly. Nothing wrong with the picture itself, though. It's a fantastic picture. Any lower res and it would be nigh impossible to read. D: After figuring out the orientation of the text, though, it's becoming somewhat easier. --Ando 20:40, 29 January 2008 (EST)


 * This is art from Twilight Princess, right? Hylian Language in TP was not japanese, but english, right? Either way, the picture may be high quality, but the writing is still blury and I don't think it is translatable. However, if anyone is still attempting translation, it is important to note that the Hylian Language changes from game to game--Magnus orion 22:07, 24 March 2008 (EDT)


 * Aye, Twilight Princess Hylian is indeed English; however, the Hylian on this Master Sword picture most certainly is not Twilight Princess Hylian, but Ocarina of Time Hylian. It IS blurry, though, and after looking at it for I-don't-know-how-long, I'm not too sure anymore that it IS Hylian (but if it were, again, it more closely resembles OOT/MM Hylian instead of TP Hylian). I'll try a little more now that I'm more familiar with the language (I've been translating stuff in Majora's Mask), but no guarantees. --Ando (T : C) 22:17, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

This images look like it's from the Wii version. That means that it's flipped horizontally. If you flip it and look at it as it would be on the Gamecube, it becomes clearer. The language most closely looks like the Hylian Script in The Wind Waker. However, I have no grasp of the Japanese language whatsoever, and as such have no clue as to what it says. The quality of this image might not be good enough to translate anyway though.--Matt 21:17, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * It might be possible, but I don't think that they flipped the images from the artwork of the games--Magnus orion 21:50, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * It could say sword of evils bane? Robeluke

Aye, I already figured out that it was a flipped image (if you look at the hand holding the sword, that's a right-hand; it should be left, therefore showing that the image is in fact flipped). I still hold that it looks more like OoT/MM Hylian, though. TWW Hylian is far more thin and fragile-looking, whereas OoT/MM Hylian is very square and blocky. --Ando (T) 22:15, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * O_O
 * -_-
 * O_O
 * I totaly missed that! Wow, nice eyes Ando--Magnus orion 22:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, I found the original image. Thats his finger, not his thumb. Its a lefty image: [[Image:Linkdefend.jpg|100px]]--Magnus orion 03:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The next step is to find a higher resolution image. Which should not be so difficult now that we know what to look for.--Matt 04:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, wow. Wasn't expecting that it was a finger. :P If a higher resolution image can be found, then heck yeah, I'll be on it... But right now I'm just about convinced that it's just almost random scratchings on the hilt. I've only been able to match one or two symbols to a Hylian character, and even then, they pretty much vaguely resemble them, and they're slightly de-confirmed when I find another symbol "match" that's in a completely different orientation... This is a very problematic image, and unless a higher quality image can be acquired, I'm convinced that this is just about a dead end. --Ando (T) 04:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, the image this was cropped from seems to be this one, which is 3026 x 2521. That's pretty big! I think we're unlikely to find any larger/clearer version... :( —Adam (talk) 05:45, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Size?
"If looked at closely the master sword is surprisingly short."

I'm not convinced by this statement. Apart from the fact that I don't find myself "surprised" by it's length (maybe "comparatively" would be a better term to use), is it really that short? Looking at the image of young Link drawing the sword from the pedestal, or this image, I'd estimate the blade alone to be at least 3-3½ feet in length. Taking apart the usual trend in videogames to vastly exaggerate the size of all weapons, I'd say that's pretty large for a real-world one-handed sword? Imagine holding a solid steel blade 3 feet long, and at least the width of your wrist, and I don't think you'd call it either small or lightweight! --Adam (talk) 01:50, 1 February 2008 (EST)


 * I saw that yesterday and it stood out for me. So I agree: I'm not so sure that it's really all that "surprisingly short". --Ando 14:10, 1 February 2008 (EST)


 * OK, so I took that out just now. —Adam (talk) 14:22, 27 February 2008 (EST)


 * The sword does look rather short. However, it seems to be more of an optical illusion. Because of the bulky shape of the sword in OoT, it looks short but is in fact not.--Matt 00:23, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Materials?
I always thought it was like mithril; but of of course it isn't. What metal do you suppose it's crafted from?--Claire 18:46, 2 February 2008 (EST)


 * I'm sure the materials are quite mundane (although of very high quality, think of the artifice involved in the production of real-world Japanese weaponry), but I'd be inclined to assume that it's true power lies in the enchantments placed upon it during it's creation (presumably by the sages). --Adam (talk) 05:00, 3 February 2008 (EST)

I'm sure its some kind of fictional metal...but if we were to make a real-life replica, what materials in real life? I can't think of a metal with that blueish hue to it, but would the 'enchantments' really affect its shape/appearance?--Claire 22:10, 7 February 2008 (EST)


 * Real weaponry is made, as far as I am aware, almost exclusively from steel. Steel is an alloy, and as such, it's colour will vary considerably depending upon the composition of this alloy (e.g the addition of traces of other metals such as copper, zinc, cobalt etc). Also, many weapons have a decorative finish applied which can increase lustre and alter the hue of the steel again. The master sword appears to actually emit a low level of light (which would surely indicate magical involvement?), although it may be simply that is is highly polished and reflects daylight/torchlight. --Adam (talk) 13:33, 8 February 2008 (EST)

Actually, steel is not an alloy. It is made by refining iron until there isn't a trace of impurity. But occasionally, people do put copper, cobalt, nickel, so on... in the mix, theirfore it can be considered an alloy. Due to the purity of steel, I can expect it would be difficult to enchant...or otherwise make it much, much easier.--Claire 00:20, 18 February 2008 (EST)


 * Sorry, what? I think you're getting a bit confused here. Pure/refined iron is..... iron. If you look up steel on wikipedia, the first sentence reads "Steel is an alloy", the definition of which is a mixture of two or more elements, at least one being a metal. Therefore steel is, by it's very definition, is an alloy of iron + something(s) (commonly carbon). If there is nothing else (no "impurity"), then it's just iron. Plus, exactly what is the nature and extent of your previous experience in the enchantment of weaponry? ;P Anyway, this has got so far off topic as to become completely irrelevant! I may even have to wheel out my little "off topic" flag :) —Adam (talk) 15:03, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Sinless???
I think Nintendo contradicted itself---if you have to be sinless to hold the Master Sword, and dishonesty is a sin, how can Toon Link not see the invisible clothes that the honest can see and still hold the Master Sword (sorry if this is the wrong article for this) --Sk8torchic 4:29 PM, 7 March 2008 (EST)


 * I think you are talking about how it says that Link had to be sinless or something in the Dark Link article, Ya? Well, I don't think that it says anywhere that the master sword needs a sinless user. After all, Links a murderous, theiving, gambling, cheating scoundrel if you play the game as many gamers would. Hardly "sinless" if you ask me. If you don't know what I'm talking about take a look at Link's Awakening, where you can steal from the shop, or in Ocarina of Time, where you can use the lens of truth to cheat. You could gamble in the first Legend of Zelda game and some people seem think gambling is a sin... for some reason. And think of all the poor inocent bokoblins he killed in windwaker, or all those moblins from so many of the games. And if you argue killing monsters isnt murder, what about ganondorf. Link is not exactly the most honest guy either. But this is just my humble opinion--Magnus orion 00:12, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

The sword's location
Should it be noted that in all the games except The Wind Waker, Link returned the sword to the pedestal of time at the end of the game? In The Wind Waker, Link leaves the sword imbeded in Ganondorfs skull. This could be seen as important for timeline reasons... The master sword can always, arguably, be found in the same place in the games, even though the Temple of Time is, ironicly, falling apart due to age. Thus, at least in my mind, this is one of the reasons why the other games do not come after TWW, since the sword is left in Ganondorf's skull, not the pedestal of time.--Magnus orion 22:33, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Well if im right about loz following ww then link uses the magical sword and not the master sword, this only works if the two are not the same sword though...but seeing how everyone thinks it is the heros spirit sword from twilight princess and a certain cursed hero has a grave in hyrule then why cant he have a grave in loz...thats where he finds it, in a grave? and did he return it to the pedestal in twilight? still havent beaten the game yet....beat fyrus last night ^_^ --Remo 06:10, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You're not the only one who thinks that the magical sword isn't the master sword! I think that too, but It doesn't really make a difference in my timeline. Yes, he does return it in TP and every other game 'cept TWW--Magnus orion 23:47, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

power up sword
Does anyone know why that in WW you have to power up the master sword but you don't have to in TP. and why do you get stuck in the sacred realm in OoT but you don't in TPTriluke 23:05, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

In TP you do. You must powerup the sword to have the power of light in the sword to move through Dungeon 8. --David (T : C) 01:21, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

In TWW, Ganondorf was responsible for the state of the Master Sword. In TP, Link was already as old as adult Link in OoT was, and the sword is not the key to the Sacred realm anymore in TP.--Matt 03:02, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

In TP, the power of light is a NEW power, not a restored power. And it is only used in the level it is obtained in.--Matt 03:04, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Then why is'nt that the master sword is connected to the sacred realm. Is it because there is not much of a triforce plot in this game?Robeluke 13:38, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

The Triforce is not in the Sacred Realm in TP. Its part are in Ganondorf, Zelda, and Link. And Ganondorf is not in the realm. Therefore, there is nothing in the Sacred Realm to protect/keep in.--Matt 14:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Sentient Sword?
Is the master sword Sentient?

Does it know its wielder?

Can it tell the difference between good and evil?


 * I don't think it is. There's never really anything in the games to suggest such a thing. It might have a sort of... "magical" sentient-ness; kind of a lesser form of the Triforce's sentient-ness (sentience? sentishness?). --Ando (T) 19:45, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Well...I don't think it's sentient enough to think. It can't just say to itself, "oh look, it's Link. I'll let him use me in battle. But Ganondorf...nah, I'll kill him."


 * It's 'sentience' works in the way that it can tell who the Hero of Time (or whatever else you wanna call him) is. If a wielder is not the Hero of Time, the Master Sword will refuse to budge (assuming it's still in its pedestal). Not sure what would happen if, say, Ganondorf was to just grab the Master Sword if Link dropped it in battle. Maybe it'd lose its power, or maybe he simply couldn't pick it up. But...it's all speculation, I suppose.

--Yuvorias, 13:11, 24 June 2008 (EST)

Powered Up
If the master sword needs to be charged up to become strong enough to stop Ganon then why can't it be said that the four elements are a different source of power which cause the sword to have a different type of power...so instead of just sealing evil away it splits you into four as well....or maybe the extra earth element has something to do with it since the other three elements can be associated with the three jewels from other zelda games.

basically I am saying

The sages are what power the Master sword to stop Ganon

The elements power the Master sword to become the four sword

Make sense?.....o and do the Elements have any association to the Sages Medallions from Ocarina? --Remo 09:23, May 6 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm... Well the only time in OoT that a sage does anything to the Master Sword is when Zelda adds to its power in just before the final blow to Ganon. The medalions just show that the associated sage is awakened. The sages then provide a bridge to Ganon's Castle and later seal away Ganon. There is nothing to suggest that the Master Sword and Four Sword are the same.  Saying those two are the same is like saying that the Master Sword and Phantom Sword are the same. It just isn't true.  The three elements or jewels in the other games basically "unlock" the Master Sword (i.e. allows Link to pull it from the pedestal).--Matt 16:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, the Four Sword is NEVER called nor referred to as the Master Sword. They don't even look the same (not as much as the Master Sword and Phantom Sword do, anyway, and we KNOW that they aren't the same). And every instance of the Master Sword appearing in a game involves it being pulled from the Pedestal of Time (or whatever that pedestal in ALttP's Lost Woods is, which after TP I'd say is the Pedestal of Time). --Ando (T) 19:45, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Well I noticed someting else too. If you see the Pedastel of Time in ALttP then there are four spots around it..like in Minish cap for the elements to go to..I know thats not a lot but..its something...Also The sword looks like the master sword when it has only the earth element...but then this would mean that the elements have nothing to do with the sages.

O and really you can't say it isn't the same sword, as a definite answer cuz no one said that it was a completely different sword yet...from Nintendo I mean

And another thing...I noticed the design of the Four sword and magical sword have similar blades...the extra points near the hilt. Could the Four Sword be the Magical sword?

--Remo 07:53, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I think someone's missing the point here ;) Now I'm paraphrasing here, but the developers at Nintendo have explicitly stated that they include elements of similarity within the games in a deliberate attempt to create a sense of continuity and familiarity. The themes are clear - magical swords which must be empowered/restored, elemental temples/dungeons, similar overall story elements, the same major characters... Clearly the mystery is deliberate, and of course it provokes the basic human need to make connections and assumptions. I doubt that there will ever be definitive answers from Nintendo on the thousands of questions raised by the games (and I doubt anyone there actually knows what the answers would be!), such is the downside of a "gameplay first" ethos... --Adamcox82 17:42, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Either way...Ive heard that before and still Don't believe it to be 100% true and I know that not every single similar thing in the games is related but only there almost as fan service in some ways but That doesn't subtract from the major events and objects being related somehow.--Remo 17:20, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

The Gilded Sword looks like the Master Sword. Does that mean that they are the same? No they are not. Maybe some of the sword are at least related in the manner of some sword inspiring other swords. If the Minish Cap takes place before Ocarina of Time, then the sages could have been inspired by the Four Sword when making the Master Sword. Similar relations could also be true. But the problem is making connections when none exist. Nintendo left that part of the story blank. Filling in those gaps is just a guess and cannot be proven.--Matt 13:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

ya I know.....why does everyone keep saying that stuff when its already known that we can't prove it...I really don't care if it can be proven or not, I just want to bring anything I can to peoples attention.....and..the gilded sword looks nothing like the master sword.--Remo 17:20, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

IMHO, the gilded sword looks more like the master sword than the four sword, which appears at the title screen of minish cap, clearly displaying a lack of anything that remotely resembles the master sword, except that they are both western style swords, of course. The gilded sword shares a similar handle design and color, on the other hand. Basically, the only sword that could posibly be the master sword is the magical sword, but I like to think that is not the case, but that is just my opinion--Magnus orion 22:57, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

That isn't the four sword...its the Picori Blade http://zeldawiki.org/Picori_Blade

....The four sword looks like this http://zeldawiki.org/Four_Sword

Also What the hell..The Gilded sword http://www.zeldadungeon.net/Zelda06/Items/GildedSword.jpg  looks less like the master sword then the Picori Blade does at the begining of Minish Cap..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P29rvUf7hMk (watch at 2:00 min) or see the Picori Blade page top left pic.

--Remo 20:26, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Can I just cut in here and ask; what is this discussion/argument actually achieving? Because if it's not about improving this article, then take it elsewhere please. --Adamcox82 20:52, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I have been trying to stop this for several days now.--Matt 21:03, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand what it isn't acheiveing. I am asking if the four sword could be the master sword? I want to know what other proof I can find and any time I disagree it's for fair reason and I showed proof so really this is the same as any other debate....what looks different?--Remo 12:25, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Even if you could propose a workable theory, it would be just that, a theory. And as such, it wouldn't find a place in this article. When four people disagree with you, it may be time to take a hint and end the discussion. Please don't force me to lock this talk page :) --Adamcox82 12:40, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Redundancy
Um I think its stated twice that some people (I'm not one of them) think that the magical sword and the master sword are one and the same. Also, I have evidence to support the argument that this is not true, being the fact that both swords appear in the same game. Still, the more important thing here is the redundancy of the article, which I think should be fixed. So which one should go... or do we keep both of them? Any opinions?--Magnus orion 03:26, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Personally, I think we should dump them both. It is just another one of those crack-pot theories. You know, another case of "Oh, this looks like that, so they absolutely have to be same!" I'm getting sick and tired of it. It has got to stop. I think it should just go. 06:56, July 10, 2008 (UTC)

... I don't know what happened, but either I misread the article the first time, or the wording has been changed... But, it has gone from having two redundant statements to having two contradictory statements. Under Legend of Zelda, it effectively claims that the magical sword is not the master sword, but under Link to the Past, it says that it is assumed, in other words widely accepted, that the magical sword is the master sword... If anything, we should at least be consistent... However, I still find the theory silly because both swords appear in the same game together. --Magnus orion 23:49, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Problem solved. 00:58, July 24, 2008 (UTC)

XD Consistancy!!! I was just seeing if anyone had anything that they'd like to say to counter it. --Magnus orion 03:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

wait both swords appear together?? master and magical...where I need to see that cuz ive never heard it before? I mean if your gonna say something like that magnus then say what game it is... --Remo 17:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

"Under Legend of Zelda, it effectively claims that the magical sword is not the master sword, but under Link to the Past, it says that it is assumed, in other words widely accepted, that the magical sword is the master sword..."

- Magnus

He did say he games, Remo. 15:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)