Talk:Demise

Ghirahim and Demis relations
Now before I change anything, I wanted to check this first. What I purpose is that the sword that Demise uses at the end of the game IS Ghirahim. As far fetched as it may seem consider this: in Ghirahim's final fight with Link, he bears a striking resemblance to Fi in that his body his eyes are non-existant and his features are metallic. Additionally in one shot Ghirahim reveals himself to be "a weapon without mercy". In this shot he bears a striking resemblance to the sword that Demise uses. Also, note how he refers to Demise as his master, similar to the way Fi refers to Link as her master.

So before I change this, I wanted to run this by the Wiki to see if this made sense. 19:53, 18 November 2011 (EST)
 * Also I used this video for reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4cqQI6MZjk It shows the third fight between Link and Ghirahim. 19:54, 18 November 2011 (EST)
 * Ghirahim is certainly related to Demise's sword, if not necessarily it exactly. When Demise is revived, he pulls his sword straight out of Ghirahim's chest as Ghirahim laughs.  After that, Demise absorbs Ghirahim into the sword.  So at the very least, Ghirahim is the spirit of Demise's sword in the same way that Fi is the spirit of the Master Sword. LinkIII816 00:25, 19 November 2011 (EST)

Attack Patterns
I'm just checking all my facts before I post, has anyone else noticed he only attacks with his sword while you shield is down? If it's up he just punches until you lower your shield and get ready to attack. Foxdude54 20:01, 10 January 2012 (EST)


 * Yes, i noticed that, me too. Mabybe we should add that in the trivia or something --Niklas 17:27, 23 January 2012 (EST)

First Fatal Blow: Possible or Impossible
Demise always dodges the first fatal blow, or does he? I actually killed him with the first Fatal Blow, and all 17 hearts. (I was on Lightning Round) I beat him with an impossible time of 0:51:89 seconds, too. I only got my game on my B-Day and beat the entire thing in a total of ONE FULL DAY or 23:14:56 hrs. Smasher 17:06, 5 February 2012 (EST)Smasher
 * I don't suppose you have this on film or anything? I've heard from multiple sources that Demise is specifically coded to get up before you land the first time no matter how fast you are.


 * Also, under 52 seconds is hardly an impossible time. The current world record (and I can provide video evidence backing this up, if you're curious) is under 30 seconds. --Osteoderm Jacket 01:00, 18 March 2012 (EDT)

Connection to all other antagonists
I know there is a connection between Demise and Ganon, but what about the other antagonists, such as Bellum, Veran, Malladus, Onox, etc? Are they all incarnations of Demise? Rainbow Dash 21:11, 15 March 2012 (EDT)
 * Considering it was Vaati and not Ganon who was tormenting Link and Zelda after Skyward Sword (when logically the curse would take place) I'd say that is likely that all other antagonist also fall under this curse. --Heroofstuff 21:27, 15 March 2012 (EDT)
 * We all just assumed they meant Ganon; they do look kinda similar and all. But yeah, unless I'm mistaken, the nature of Demise's "incarnations" is never specified, so it is possible. Unless Hyrule Historia says something about this? 15:11, 17 March 2012 (EDT)
 * This is a good point. It's entirely possible that the other villains could be carrying out Demise's curse. Granted, the line does say "an incarnation", implying one being, but we shouldn't put too much weight on that one word, because a) that doesn't necessarily mean it's always the same one, and b) (warning: weeaboo-ish argument approaching) it could be an incidental consequence of localization. The line probably wouldn't have casually implied a single incarnation in Japanese (as opposed to directly and deliberately stating that there would only be one), as that language lacks grammatical number. --Osteoderm Jacket 00:58, 18 March 2012 (EDT)

Ganon
I know this is going to sound ridiculous, but do we have any concrete evidence that Ganon really is the reincarnation of Demise? I mean, there are some HEAVY hints going on, but it has never been stated outright. It's true that there's the physical resemblance and the fact that Ganondorf is constantly revived, but Vaati had been revived at one point as well, let's not forget that. Dekler 05:53, 22 June 2012 (EDT)


 * Demise's final words are that an incarnation of his hatred will follow them for eternity. Mind, who's the most common baddie?
 * When the game was about to be released, it was said that it really connects in with Ocarina of Time, but not all that much until the end. They also said that it will have to do with the creation of Ganondorf. It really isn't hard to make the connection, but, I'll go into it a little bit more...
 * Ganondorf himself was always consumed with power and greed as well as a general lack of concern for the lives of others (despite what he says in The Wind Waker). This could easily be a remnant of his past life as Demise. Ganon, moreso, has always sort of been a being of hatred and destruction, so it's much more likely that Ganon is more representative of Demise's reincarnation than Ganondorf himself. 09:34, 22 June 2012 (EDT)

Majora theory
My belief is that Majora is the Terminian counterpart of Demise. Whereas Ganon was just a corrupt ambitious man as evidenced in the Windwaker, Demise is a manifestation of hatred, a complete monster bordering on being a humanized Eldritch Abomination. It's the same with Majora; whatever is inside that mask, it is pure evil. It really did not have any other wishes than to destroy the world. Both have a way of talking with an otherworldly arrogance, fully aware of their enormous demonic power, although Majora's Mask doesn't talk all that much.


 * They may be dimensional counterparts, but with the section above, I believe I've completely established that Demise is Ganon. They have similarities, but that doesn't mean they're the same entity. We're bordering conjecture at this point, but Majora's Mask was initially created by a dark tribe for torturing people.
 * The people of the tribe eventually sealed away the mask, fearing the power inside. However, who can say that the evil inside the mask isn't derived from the hatred and despair caused by the tribe's dark rituals, an imprint of sorts? Revenge sought by the restless souls?
 * Also, always remember to sign your posts with four tildes ( ~ )! :) 09:34, 22 June 2012 (EDT)