Zelda Wiki:Milk Bar

Where'd all my edits go?
Just now I noticed that all the edits I've made in the past few hours have vanished, along with any sign of their existence. All of the articles I've edited appear as they did before I edited them, and the edits no longer appear in Recent Changes or in my contribution log. I'm probably missing something really obvious, but what's going on here?--Osteoderm Jacket 17:41, 12 January 2012 (EST)
 * Same here, thats wierd, I updated Iris's page an hour ago by uploading her Sprite and it appears to have disappeared, the image and the changes, what just happened here? --Vaati The Wind Demon 17:49, 12 January 2012 (EST)
 * Hmm. If it happened to more than one person over the same interval I'm guessing it's a server problem.--Osteoderm Jacket 17:52, 12 January 2012 (EST)

Same, here reported it to staff XXSuperXXNintendoXx 17:52, 12 January 2012 (EST)
 * Does that mean I'l have to reupload the file or is it fixable? --Vaati The Wind Demon 17:55, 12 January 2012 (EST)

Seems like the wiki went down 2 days ago, so they uploaded a previous backup of the server where our edits today wern't back up on.
 * Ah. I take it my edits can't be recovered and I should go ahead and redo them, then?--Osteoderm Jacket 18:01, 12 January 2012 (EST)

To be safe, yes XXSuperXXNintendoXx 18:07, 12 January 2012 (EST)
 * It won't let me upload the image now, I get an error saying, "The upload directory (public) is not writable by the webserver.". How do I fix this? --Vaati The Wind Demon 19:00, 12 January 2012 (EST)


 * Thanks for letting us know, we're currently looking into this problem. We apologize for the inconvenience! --Dany36 19:11, 12 January 2012 (EST)

Shadow Dungeon Symbol
The current symbol for Shadow Dungeons is a dark and demonic bat head thing. In my opinion, I think it looks just a little bit silly. Wouldn't a black or purple skull be more suitable? Anyway, I'm not exactly complaining, I'm just trying to suggest changes for the better. Lahmaster 4:16, 13 January 2012 (AEST)
 * Not a bad idea. I hope Abdul can spot this suggestion (I suck horrendously at making decent templates other tha navigation templates and the like, so I apologize for my incompetence). -- 02:05, 13 January 2012 (EST)
 * I don't really see how a black or purple skull is any less silly than the current symbol. Besides, this is Zelda.  It's a series that allows for a bit of silliness, even in the more serious games.--Osteoderm Jacket 06:53, 14 January 2012 (EST)
 * It this point, we're really just nitpicking: skulls, bats, rats, ghosts - they could all suffice for "Shadow" dungeons, and there isn't one that's more representative than the other. This being said, a skull wouldn't really be a change for the better, it would be a change from something that works to something that works equally well. To that, I say let's leave it as is, cool thought though. 10:50, 17 January 2012 (EST)
 * Personally I think we should be using symbols from the game somewhere, given that the games already have symbols for more than half of the, uh, "elements" used. There is already quite a useful Shadow Medallion symbol, why not use that? Fizzle 13:39, 22 January 2012 (EST)
 * I agree with Fizzle. Using the Shadow Medallion makes much more sense than the current icon. Not only is it better representative of the element, but it's easily recognizable by people new to the wiki. MrBatman 12:03, 2 February 2012 (EST)
 * Other elements can be represented by their respective medallion symbols. Forest Medallion.png for Forest dungeons, Fire Medallion.png for Fire, Water Medallion.png for Water, obviously, Spirit Medallion.png possibly for Desert? I know its "Spirit" but the Spirit Temple is a desert temple, so go figure. To be honest I'm not even sure if we need any more aside from Shadow Medallion.png Shadow, that covers most dungeons aside from neutral ones if you ask me. Maybe Light for dungeons like Tower of the Gods and Sky Keep. Fizzle 14:11, 3 February 2012 (EST)


 * If I remember correctly, the medallions were used for the element infobox field before the Element template was created. The thing is, there's no Ice Medallion, Earth Medallion, or Wind Medallion. If we did use medallions, we'd end up having to use something completely different for the other elements, and that would just look plain weird. Consistency is key: if we could accomplish that with in-game symbols, great. But we can't (right?), so that's why we're using the ones we are now. I really don't see any problem with the symbols we have now. That template is really just for show anyway, and Abdullah worked pretty hard on those images :P 21:29, 3 February 2012 (EST)
 * I agree. That would just look kind of wierd. But I think that maybe we could find something better for the Shadow Dungeon symbol. I kind of like the idea of the skull, it just kind adds more fear then a bat thing, not that that really matters. And in the case of the medallions, my first zelda game was the latest one at the time, Spirit Tracks. I didn't even know about Ocarina of Time until the commercials for the 3DS remake came up so I would've originally looked at the shadow medallion and said "What on earth is that!'. --Person777 13:16, 4 February 2012 (EST)


 * There MUST be a suitable ice symbol somewhere. As for the other two... What the heck is an Earth Temple anyway? There's only two Earth Temples and they're both Shadow and Fire elements respectively. Same with Wind, there's only two of them and one of them is more like Shadow (or Earth, even, oddly) than Wind and the other is more like Forest. Oh, wait, there's the Wind Palace... nevermind. Isn't there a Wind symbol in TWW or TMC somewhere? I'm sure there's one in TMC. Also, I don't mean bad to Abdullah, I appreciate the contribution of course, but... I... kind of liked the older ones better, personally. Don't hurt me! 19:08, 4 February 2012 (EST)

Gerudo Desert in Ocarina of Time
Is it a reason that the facts about the Gerudo Desert from Ocarina of Time is removed? If not, can someone fix the article? --Niklas 14:46, 26 January 2012 (EST)


 * The desert in Ocarina of Time is never referred to as the Gerudo desert, so I removed it. --Dany36 17:44, 26 January 2012 (EST)
 * Ok, but where is that article then? --Niklas 02:27, 27 January 2012 (EST)
 * Haunted Wasteland and Desert Colossus. Gerudo Desert now has a little note at the top clarifying this. 02:55, 27 January 2012 (EST)

The Legend of Zelda Roleplay Site
Hello. I'm starting a The Legend of Zelda roleplay site. I've been using exclusive pictures and information from the Zelda Wiki, and use it for all my sources. I was wondering if the Zelda Wiki would Affiliate with me, with my site specified as a roleplay site, as I need ways to gather players. I'd post a link to my site, but that would be quite presumptuous.

If this is not allowed, is there a popular Wiki for The Legend of Zelda fanfiction or fanon that might allow a link to my site? Again, most Wikis list their fanon cousins, but the Zelda Wiki doesn't seem to. Pikmin Fanon is in NIWA, but it seems to be the only fanon Wiki in it.

I hope to get a response from someone high enough in the Zelda Wiki for a definite answer. Rest assured, I would be fine if the answer was no. I would just prefer someone point me in the right direction if so.

--Cyberweasel89 18:19, 3 February 2012 (EST)

Questionable "references" to other media.
I am putting this down here to avoid an edit war, because I'm seeing an issue cropping up more and more recently. On the Tentalus page, there seems a consistent attempt to include the fact that Tentalus looks a bit like a Monster's Inc. character. I, personally, think this is silly (its a generic looking cyclops monster rendered in 3D, of COURSE it looks a bit like a generic Monster's Inc. character, that doesn't mean its noteworthy), and replaced it with what I thought was more interesting; that its possibly a reference to Medusa from Kid Icarus (look it up, her old design is pretty damn similar, and its a Nintendo game, possibly cross-reference in action). Rather than simply add the Monster's Inc. thing back, my trivia was removed entirely in favour of the Monster's Inc. trivia on the flimsy basis of some FORUM posts.

Obviously I could just revert it back again, but to avoid an edit war I want to just get the policy straight, as I am seeing this more and more recently; me and K2L removed references to General Grevious, a Star Wars character, from the Stalmaster page, because its not noteworthy (Grevious is NOT the only four-armed warrior in fiction, by any means), and Demise had mention that he looked like Akuma from Street Fighter (because they're both based on oni, not because Demise is based on Akuma). By the same logic, we should probably mention on the Link page that he looks a bit like Peter Pan, or that Fairies look like Tinkerbell.

Anyway, am I wrong on this? Surely there's some policy when it comes to mentioning similarities of this nature. I wanna just get this straightened out rather than stuck in back and forths all the time. 19:25, 4 February 2012 (EST)


 * I never really liked those references as they are pretty silly most of the time.... They are probably not even intended by Nintendo and are just a fan's desire to find a non-existent connections to everything. :P If it were up to me, I'd delete all instances of such "cross-references"! Unless of course they are OBVIOUSLY intended, like with Roam. --Dany36 00:51, 14 February 2012 (EST)
 * Hey guys, the trivia bit was added by me, both times, and I feel it is legitimate because I was able to find references in the community of those who think the same. Trivia similar to this in the past did not have any references and was justly removed because it had no community support. With trivia and theories here on ZW, we expect community support and because we are the wiki of the Zelda community we must be accurate in these areas to reflect what the community sees as viable. It is a self-correcting mechanism - if there isn't enough support, it simply does not get posted... but I was able to find two forum posts with legitimate discussion for it. In lieu of references, this should stay up! Furthermore, search "Tentalus" and "Monsters, Inc." in the same search on any well-known search engine; countless results pop up of Zelda players discussing the similarity. Without references, trivia is more questionable than not - I believe I've more than proved my case here. ;) 10:33, 14 February 2012 (EST)
 * I don't want to get into a debate about what Tentalus looks more like, but I personally reverted the Medusa edit the first time because it looked like it was replacing a widely discussed, even-if-certainly-coincidental similarity with one that seemed to be purely a personal opinion. I honestly dislike taking up article space with recording unintended similarities, but...that action seemed pretty sketchy, so I reverted it. I also trimmed out part of the Monster's Inc. claim that wasn't made in the cited forum and seemed wrong. My apologies if the Medusa thing actually is widely discussed, and I reverted you wrongly.KrytenKoro 11:44, 14 February 2012 (EST)
 * I added the Medusa thing because while its seemingly more "obscure", it seemed to have far more merit. Honestly, was Nintendo thinking of Monsters Inc. when they designed that boss, or a mythical beast they had used in one of their own games? I suspect the latter. Anyway, if my speculation isn't allowed, I don't see why the Monsters Inc. stuff should be. 23:27, 22 February 2012 (EST)
 * I'd like to interject that I do disagree with Cip. Even if wild connections have backing from the community, I think it's still ridiculous to have mention of them. Honestly, I think we should only include references to other series if it's confirmed and leave the speculation to TV Tropes and the forums. 13:51, 14 February 2012 (EST)

Another clueless image uploading question
Hi there, Osteoderm Jacket again. I've found higher-quality maps of some of the dungeons in Link's Awakening. Can I just go ahead and upload an improved version of an image without asking anyone, or is there a procedure that I'm supposed to follow first? The help section on image uploading doesn't say anything about it. Also, for future reference, is this the sort of thing I should just assume I can do without asking first, and what things on this wiki am I able to do immediately but in practice should ask permission for first?

Also, I understand that if they're a different file type from the image to be replaced I can't actually upload them as a new version of that file. Obviously I could just upload them as separate files and then put them in the places where the old image is used, but then what do I do with the old image?--Osteoderm Jacket 00:03, 14 February 2012 (EST)


 * As for your first question, yes, you can go ahead and replace it without consulting anyone. Just make sure you cite where you got the image from! Secondly, there are quite a few things you could go ahead and do in the wiki without discussion, but it is usually not advised!! Since this is a community project, all members should at least have a say in any big changes that pertain to the wiki. Anything that has to do with articles (moving, merging, splitting, etc.) should always be discussed first. Things dealing with images don't really have to be discussed, however, such as what you are trying to do.


 * Lastly, the superseded image (in case you uploaded it separately) should be marked with the Imdel template and say it has been superseded or something to that effect. All pages linking to that image should also be removed and replaced with the better one. Hope that helps! --Dany36 00:45, 14 February 2012 (EST)


 * Thanks! Sorry I'm such a n00b. I just have a strict "better safe than sorry" policy about matters where I'm ignorant.--Osteoderm Jacket 00:53, 14 February 2012 (EST)
 * If only all our users had that same policy :P 05:58, 14 February 2012 (EST)

A bit of follow-up: The images I've uploaded are higher quality than those that were originally on the pages, but they have a background fill outside the dungeons' rooms. Should this be removed? I currently don't have an image editing program that can make parts of an image transparent, so I can't do this myself. I'm wondering in part because Tail Cave and Turtle Rock (Link's Awakening) currently have images with no background fill that are otherwise good but omit the side-scrolling areas of the dungeons. I have dungeon maps for these dungeons that are in the same style as those I've used for the other Link's Awakening dungeon pages (i.e. color, high-res, background fill, includes side-scrolling areas), but haven't uploaded them yet because I'm not sure whether background-less images that leave out parts of the dungeon are preferable to images that display every bit of the dungeon but have a background. Should I upload these images, and if so should I mark the existing images for deletion? --Osteoderm Jacket 21:20, 14 February 2012 (EST)

I went ahead and uploaded them so they'd be viewable for comparison with the existing images. I marked File:Tail Cave (map).png for deletion since it's much smaller than File:Tail Cave Map.png, but File:TurtleRockMap(LA).png and my recently uploaded File:Turtle Rock Map.png are much more similar so I'm less sure. There's also one minor problem with this set of maps that I hadn't noticed before: Three of them (File:Key Cavern Map.png, File:Catfish's Maw Map.png, and File:Turtle Rock Map.png) don't show the boss on the map. I don't know how important this is. Look at the images and tell me what you think. Are the two newest maps sufficiently better than their predecessors to warrant keeping them, perhaps with a bit of editing to remove the background? (I'm still not really clear on whether backgrounds are considered sub-optimal on this type of image.) Or should they just not be used? Look at the images and tell me what you think. --Osteoderm Jacket 23:57, 21 February 2012 (EST)

Dungeons listed under types of dungeon pages not complete
Hello, I'm new to this wiki (all wikis actually), but I noticed a problem on one of the pages that I'm not sure how to fix myself. Under some of the pages where it lists dungeons of a certain type (such as "Fire Dungeon," "Shadow Dungeon," etc.), some dungeons are missing. The one I noticed right away was the Ocean Temple (from Spirit Tracks) was missing from the "Water Dungeon" page. I think it should be added, but not sure how to go about it. Zapto369 20:21, 17 February 2012 (EST)


 * The Ocean Temple from ST was removed from the Water Dungeon because, even though it's underwater, it doesn't have any water elements to it in the dungeon itself. Its removal was discussed in its talk page. What others are missing? --Dany36 20:28, 17 February 2012 (EST)


 * I could be wrong about this, but wouldn't the Temple of Courage from Phantom Hourglass be considered a light dungeon? It's about as much a light dungeon as some of the other dungeons. Also, again I could be wrong about this, but why are the Forest Temples in Twilight Princess and Spirit Tracks under the Wind Dungeon section? I mean, yes, the items are wind based, but so is the item from Deepwood Shrine in Minish Cap, and it's not considered a Wind Dungeon. It seems to me that just because the item is wind-based, does not make the whole dungeon wind based. The same goes for the Gust Bellows in Skyward Sword. It's a wind item, but not from a wind dungeon (Lanyaru Mining Facility). But again, I could be very off about this. Zapto369 23:35, 17 February 2012 (EST)zapto369 February 17, 2012 23:35


 * Maybe I'm missing something here, but I really don't get how the Temple of Courage is a light dungeon. (Granted, I could say the same of a number of other dungeons currently listed on that page and I think the category is poorly defined to begin with, but that's a whole other kettle of Hylian Bass.) Care to enlighten me? --Osteoderm Jacket 01:11, 18 February 2012 (EST)


 * Well the way that I see it, the Temple of Courage is similar to the Tower of the Gods in a lot of ways (dungeon item, appearance; although it's mostly appearance that stands out to me), and that's a light dungeon. I agree with you on it being a poorly defined category. When I think of "light dungeons" I think of dungeons that use light such as the Earth Temple in Wind Waker or Spirit Temple in OOT. I can see the common themes in the listed dungeons, but I think it should be called something else. But again, yea, that's another story. And, aha, I see what you did there. Did that "enlighten" you? Zapto369 February 18, 2012 22:21


 * OK, the item available in a dungeon really isn't an indicator of its theme. The Bow has been found in about half the dungeon themes out there, for instance. And I must confess I don't understand what's similar in the appearances of the Temple of Courage and the Tower of the Gods; would you mind telling me what's similar? As I see it, the former is a rather nondescript structure made of yellowish bricks that has generic puzzles (albeit with lots of bottomless pits) while the latter's appearance makes lots of use of gold, glowing decorations, and structures made of energy like the bridges and barriers. Something like the Spirit Temple is a good example of a light-themed dungeon, yes, but this isn't even close to that. The Temple of Courage isn't even littered with glowing "holy" design elements the way the Tower of the Gods is. Besides, aesthetic elements in and of themselves don't make a theme. --Osteoderm Jacket 22:33, 18 February 2012 (EST)


 * Oh ok, you know, I think I'm starting to see what you mean, but there are still some similarities. There are those glowing orbs that shoot arrows in the Temple of Courage. That's light-esque right? I think I see exactly why Tower of the Gods is a light dungeon. Yea, my argument is losing validity to be honest. Why is Hyrule Castle a light dungeon then? I guess I'm quite understanding exactly what this category means. Also, you didn't answer my comments about the Forest Temples being considered wind dungeons. Zapto369 20:30, 19 February 2012 (EST)Zapto369 February 19, 2012 18:29


 * If you're talking about the Arrow Orbs, those aren't exclusive to that dungeon. They're just a tool, and one that shows up in multiple dungeons in both Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks. As for Hyrule Castle, I'm not sure why it's on that page, but as I note on Talk:Light Dungeon, it might be because people have decided that dungeons strongly associated with the "good guys" like Hyrule Castle are to be considered light dungeons. Do stop over and give your input on that talk page, by the way. I'd like to see this dungeon type get a clearer definition myself.


 * As for the Forest Temples of Twilight Princess and Spirit Tracks, I largely agree with you about them, as they are two among many dungeons that have wind-based items, and most of those aren't counted as wind dungeons. --Osteoderm Jacket 20:45, 19 February 2012 (EST)


 * Ok yea, I see your point. I think I will have a look at that page. Thank you! Zapto369 23:46, 19 February 2012 (EST)Zapto369 February 19, 2012 23:46

Electric Enemy template
Given the glut of electrified enemies in Skyward Sword, and given the steady trickle of their brethren in earlier games adding up over the course of the series, it's high time we had an enemy template for electric enemies. Rather like Template:IceEnemy, this would include both always-electric creatures like the Ampilus and Bari and electric versions of other enemies like the Thunder Keese and Yellow ChuChu. It should not include enemies that are simply mechanical, especially since those already have a category. This is specifically for enemies that generate electricity or have electric attacks, whether they are mechanical or organic. Here's a draft of what the template might look like:

A note on ChuChus: I included Yellow and Blue ChuChus because they're electric most of the time although they do have some incarnations that aren't (e.g. in Majora's Mask). I'm less sure about Purple ChuChus, since they're only electric in Spirit Tracks, but I've included them in this proposal because Red ChuChus are included in Template:FireEnemy, and they're only fiery in Skyward Sword.

Agahnim, Demise, Dreadfuse, and Goht were included because they make significant use of electrical attacks, on the same logic as including Jalhalla in the fire enemy template.

I'm ready to add this template myself; I'd just like to check the idea here before doing so. --Osteoderm Jacket 17:38, 18 February 2012 (EST)


 * Looks good. Feel free to create the template and add it to the appropriate articles. 04:49, 19 February 2012 (EST)


 * Roger. --Osteoderm Jacket 05:00, 19 February 2012 (EST)

Featured Articles and Pictures
Why is it that an article or picture will be featured even though it wasn't even up for voting? --Person777 17:59, 20 February 2012 (EST)


 * All of our featured pictures and articles have been through a voting process. Check the article and image voting archives here and here. Featured content stays featured until it's successfully disqualified, which is why some of our featured content is a few years old. 18:36, 20 February 2012 (EST)

English loanwords in Japanese names
Does this wiki have a policy concerning English loanwords in Japanese names? Take the English word "angler" in the Japanese name of Angler's Tunnel, for example. It's spelled out in katakana as アングラー (angurā). When we type out the romanization of the name, do we give the loanword its Hepburn romanization (angurā) or do we spell it as the English word that the katakana are a rendering of (angler)? --Osteoderm Jacket 20:15, 21 February 2012 (EST)
 * I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but you would write out the romaji first then provide the English equivalent. Like: . 20:31, 21 February 2012 (EST)
 * That's what I wanted to know. Thanks. --Osteoderm Jacket 20:37, 21 February 2012 (EST)

Galleries appearing buggy
Galleries at the end of pages are appearing white, making the text unreadable in the captions, and clashing with the background of the page. Is this a problem for everyone or just me? Ganondorfdude11 21:21, 22 February 2012 (EST)


 * This seems to be one of the many bugs plaguing the wiki at the moment. We'll try to get to the bottom of this and have it fixed as soon as we can. 21:30, 22 February 2012 (EST)

I just noticed this now. And the recent changes became a lot different too, we can no longer know who's online in the wiki anymore. I hope users gets them all fixed somehow. I'll try to help too.--Prince Ludwig 21:36, 22 February 2012 (EST)

So, is just a regular old bug or something to do with an update? XXSuperXXNintendoXx 21:41, 22 February 2012 (EST)


 * An update is what we can see in the recent changes too, right? Even though it's impossible, I doubt there'd be an update now all of a sudden. Perhaps we can see an announcement of an update in the main page?--Prince Ludwig 21:45, 22 February 2012 (EST)

I'm talking with many of the staff on Skype, I would think Abbdulah would be able to fix the problem. Well, according to Dany. XXSuperXXNintendoXx 23:14, 22 February 2012 (EST)

Looks like everything returned back to normal. Case closed! ^_^ --Prince Ludwig 12:09, 23 February 2012 (EST)
 * Not quite. Something definitely went wrong here... [] 12:20, 23 February 2012 (EST)

We change servers, yet again. Everything seems to have fixed itself up, but some edits were lost. Please check that all your edits are okay. The image will be back up shortly, after the webmaster gives me access to modify a few files. 12:38, 23 February 2012 (EST)
 * You might already be aware, but at the moment I am unable to tag images for deletion, or seemingly edit image pages at all. I assume this is a side effect of everything else. 10:29, 26 February 2012 (EST)

About the Server migration
Hey everyone, I'm new to the boards here, but I'll be your new systems administrator. The previous host was getting too expensive and we were soon going to outgrow it. I created a plan in which we can easily grow the number of available systems. So in the past, you had one server. Now you have about 10 servers evenly distributing the data. Because of the nature of the new structure, I did not know MediaWiki restricts cookies to a single user. Cookie issues for logins and registrations should be working now. If there's anything else, please feel free to email me.

Server
The server seems to be having a few issues right now. Bleh it really sucks when your trying to edit something... Steahl 19:36, 26 February 2012 (EST)
 * What are you trying to do exactly? sluzorz
 * When reporting problems with the site, please let us know precisely what symptoms you are experiencing. Thanks.  Meltphace 06:47, 27 February 2012 (EST)


 * Just a minor issue that I'm not sure if it's related to the server move, but...is there any possibility that page views could be turned back on again? :] I'm talking about the ones that appear at the bottom of each article, like in metroid wiki. Thanks! --Dany36 12:06, 27 February 2012 (EST)


 * We disabled this because of some pretty severe performance issues. It was one of the reasons why it made the Wiki load in seconds rather than in milliseconds. Let us know if its absolutely necessary. sluzorz 23:45, 27 February 2012 (EST)


 * Bah, it's a worthy sacrifice. Also, we seem to be unable to edit any of our files. For example, try editing this file and hit "Save page". It just shows the original content like nothing happened at all. 08:11, 28 February 2012 (EST)


 * I just edited it and it worked? ta-da. --Dany36 11:59, 28 February 2012 (EST)