Talk:Termina

Fixed spelling mistakes.

oops- sorry. I didn't see you had already fixed it. 00:18, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Parallel Universe?
"He found Termina to be separate universe parallel to Hyrule." That's what the page says. There is no evidence to back this up. We do not know where Termina located. It may or may not be a parallel universe to Hyrule. It could be a different part of Hyrule (in terms of the world). I've been watching this statement change back and forth for some time. What's not fact should not be stated here- it should be moved under a "theorys" section for this page. Unless someone can quote where it says it's a parallel universe. 07:00, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * "When Hyrule was created by the three goddesses at the beginning of time, there were certain side effects of its creation which Din, Nayru and Farore did not anticipate. As the three holy women breathed life into the world and chased away Emptiness, their potent breath slipped through tiny cracks in the folds of space and created millions of alternate worlds in the process. One of these worlds became the land known as Termina."
 * From Zelda.com. The site isn't always 100% correct, but as far as I know it's pretty widely accepted that Termina is a parallel reality, and it would also explain the parallel characters. Jimbo Jambo 07:09, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Page six of the Majora's Mask manual:
 * ''"This is kind of a parallel world that is similar to and yet different from the land of Hyrule, which was the setting for The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Termina is a myterious place, and the people Link meets here may look vaguely familiar at first glance.
 * Clock Town rests at the heart of this world.''"
 * Seems pretty clear cut. The manual is canon. Or at least more canon than Zelda.com. 09:45, February 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * That's fine. There have been a few manual instances, but I'll assume it speaks the truth for now. It's kinda sad how you can't trust Zelda.com, huh? Just making sure everything is straightened out. 16:32, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * While neither source has incredible credibility, they do both say the same thing, and I assume they aren't written by the same people (and it would explain the parallel characters), so even given its tenuous support, I think it's safe to assume that this is what Nintendo had in mind for Termina. I'd like to cite these two things, but I'm not sure how to site a manual, and the website citation thing unfortunately doesn't put the quote on the page like the normal template, which is what I'm hoping to get.... Jimbo Jambo 16:51, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Alternate Characters
"This is kind of a parallel world that is similar to and yet different from the land of Hyrule, which was the setting for The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Termina is a myterious place, and the people Link meets here may look vaguely familiar at first glance." Since the lesson of Majora's Mask is Freindship (you don't miss someone untill they'r gone etc.), wouldn't that mean that the Terminians don't look like the hylians & link is just making them look like that sycologicly becuase he misses them? -- կրակ (խոսել) -- 23:22, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Alternate Link
In Majora's Mask, when you play the Elegy of Emptieness, the spirits of the people eased into your masks turn into figurines used to hold switches down. However, there is a Link statue to. See the image to the right. Could this imply that, when link entered termina, he replaced an innocent Terminian? -- կրակ (խոսել) -- 22:31, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, you're actually speculating that when an outsider arrives in Termina, he replaces his terminian counterpart... I think this is a separate theory that we may or may not consider... Anyway that statue is very interesting and needs a mention somewhere on the wiki! We may say that it possibly is a Terminian Link, but that the living terminian Link is never found... Or that it may just be a joke.--Kombatgod 06:46, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
 * I like that theory, but I'm not sure how much support it has from the community. Sounds like this should go to a Mastermind forum before ending up on the page. 11:31, 14 March 2011 (EDT)

"Termina does not exist" theory
This theory has almost zero evidence to back it up, and seems incoherent. Is it supposed to be a part of a larger theory about the Hero's Spirit or a timeline theory? The manual says that Termina is a parallel world to Hyrule, so I think that rules out it not existing. Ganondorfdude11 06:13, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Offical Stance?
I've noticed that Terminians are not counted as a race. Is this because of a assumption that Termina was populated by Hylians or is the answer more involved than that? PureLocke 23:47, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Official Site
The official Zelda Universe site has some interesting info that i think should be included

The Termina section found here explains the creation:

''When Hyrule was created by the three goddesses at the beginning of time, there were certain side effects of its creation which Din, Nayru and Farore did not anticipate. As the three holy women breathed life into the world and chased away Emptiness, their potent breath slipped through tiny cracks in the folds of space and created millions of alternate worlds in the process. One of these worlds became the land known as Termina.

It is possible that we would know nothing of Termina's existence if Link had not been led there by the mischevious ac''

Sakon's section found here confirms that Termina is real and continues to exist after Link's adventures.

''Sakon is the name of a common thief who plagued the merchants of Clock Town. He would likely have long ago been forgotten, but Link foiled his plans on one occasion and the story has been a favorite tale in Termina ever since.''--Fierce diety 22:29, 13 March 2011 (EDT)

Theory about Termina.
It is speculated by The Wind Waker plot, that the Hero of Time parted from the Triforce. Why did that happen? Ganondorf and Link went to the Twilight Realm without losing the Triforce they had. If we consider that through Zelda, Midna has the Triforce of Wisdom as well, neither that Triforce returns to Hyrule. Ordon Village is also outside Hyrule, yet Link has the Triforce. The Triforce may give its power from Hyrule to the hero who goes to neighbouring lands such as Holodrum and Labrynna. The Triforce can also go to the Golden Land of A Link to the Past. So why the Triforce cannot go to Termina? It can go anywhere, even to places that are not near Hyrule. However people are parted from the Triforce when the DIE, either voluntarily, such as Tetra's mother, or involuntary when Ganondorf dies at the end of Twilight Princess. In Ocarina of Time, Ganondorf doesn't die, he retains the Triforce, and he is imprisoned. So... Link may have DIED when he fell from the tree hole to that bottomless pit. Link's soul wandered through a Hades-like World. Ancient civilizations would bury masks with the dead, because they believed that the dead live in the underworld and they wear masks, f.e. the "Mask of Agamemnon" and the "Mask of Tutankhamun". Dead people may have also went to Termina and, also like an another ancient belief, they remember nothing of their "living" lives. Ancestors of people may look like their descendants and maybe they have the same names. So the "clones" of characters in Ocarina of Time, may be the dead ancestors of them. Twinrova also died in Ocarina of Time. Maybe she went to Termina without memories. Also, according to other beliefs, when people die, they are guided by someone to the other life, f.e. an angel. Tatl looks like a small angel, doesn't she? Also the inhabitants of Termina do not die. Darmani didn't die, he continued to live as a ghost, and then he rested his soul in a mask. Mikau did the same thing when he died and he left no corpse. Ikana is full of undead creatures. So it is impossible to die if you are in Termina, because you are already dead. Even Romani Ranch was invaded by undead-like creatures. Death is everywhere. Maybe the good people remain people, while the bad people are condemned to live as undead hideous creatures. So even the thief that dies if shot with an arrow still lives in his hideout in Ikana. The Happy Mask Salesman may be a ghost as well, he disappears into nothing at the end of the game. The question is, who are the four giants? They may be the guardians of that place. The Skull Kid is also an undead creature. If it is still alive in Twilight Princess, it may be immortal, or a dead person that escaped from Termina. It may be the condemned soul of the flute boy from A Link to the Past. Also the moon might not be the real moon, but a very small object, like a meteorite. Since the carnival is supposed to take place on an eclipse or at least in a sun-moon-earth alignment ("Each year, the season of harmony begins when the sun and moon are in alignment.") the real Moon might be invisible because its dark side faces earth - the New Moon. Majora tries to destroy Termina. Maybe he is trying to die. He causes all kinds of trouble to the four areas to prevent the giants from waking up. Maybe the son of the Deku Butler was trying to find help, so he tried to flee Termina. His soul was captured in a mask as well. Majora's soul may have been locked inside the Moon if the moon was his prison. So Majora may not have been trying to destroy Termina but the Moon! Inside the moon we see a paradise and there are the souls of the foul creatures, wandering around. Fierce Deity's Mask stores the soul of Link. Majora is powerful on the moon, but not outside of it. Majora needs to finish Link in order to destroy his prison, the Moon. Majora and his four companions get ultimately destroyed by Link. Link then comes back from the dead, and he appears in the Lost Woods of Hyrule. He doesn't have the Triforce any more. If the Hero of Time survived "death", then he can live as a ghost, as he appears in Twilight Princess, with the sword acquired in Termina. However as a ghost he cannot face Ganondorf, so the Great Flood happens. In his dead state Link has memories of Hyrule, but not many. He forgot all the songs, except from the Song of Time. He barely remembers Zelda. He does not seem to remember Twinrova. And the owl does not seem familiar either. On the other hand the owl might not be Kaepora Gaebora (Rauru) but a dead sage, even the spirit of the Great Deku Tree. The statues that Link creates when he plays his ocarina resemble the corpses of his four forms - even a corpse copy of himself. In conclusion I speculate that Link dies and tries to negate a mighty dead creature to come back to life while he is also trying to live again. Termina might be a dimensional prison as well, as Golden Land, Twilight Realm or Koholint. Even so, he can go there without dying but that doesn't explain why he was parted from the Triforce. To support this we need to seek the reason of losing Triforce elsewhere. Maybe he lost it when he became a Deity (a Fierce Deity) himself. If we speculate that he lost it when he became a Deku Scrub, we may say that Majora had grater power than the Triforce, but that cannot be true. There is also the case, that Link kept the Triforce through "Majora's Mask" and lost it some other time, later than the events of the game. Gomess 512 09:56, 28 September 2012 (EDT)