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== Few Issues with the OoT Skull Kid Article. == | == Few Issues with the OoT Skull Kid Article. == | ||
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::For things like this, especially articles of important characters, feedback is absolutely crucial. Also, it's a good idea to give it about a week before acting, as that gives people time to respond. (Silence is not consent.) | ::For things like this, especially articles of important characters, feedback is absolutely crucial. Also, it's a good idea to give it about a week before acting, as that gives people time to respond. (Silence is not consent.) | ||
::I feel like this was a hasty decision and needs to be reverted and assessed before we go forward. As mentioned before, there is ''a lot'' of overlap, and that defeats the point of having two pages. This isn't the [[Talk:Skull Kid/Archive 1#Separate pages for the Skull Kid of Majora's Mask and of Twilight Princess|first time]] this has been attempted, and it was agreed that the pages should stay unified in that instance. {{:User: | ::I feel like this was a hasty decision and needs to be reverted and assessed before we go forward. As mentioned before, there is ''a lot'' of overlap, and that defeats the point of having two pages. This isn't the [[Talk:Skull Kid/Archive 1#Separate pages for the Skull Kid of Majora's Mask and of Twilight Princess|first time]] this has been attempted, and it was agreed that the pages should stay unified in that instance. {{:User:TriforceTony/sig}} 04:24, 27 April 2015 (UTC) | ||
:::I believe we can definitely benefit from a split -- the TP and OoT appearances are basically anonymous generics, representative of the species, and can be safely covered here, while the MM Skull Kid is a strikingly individual character. I think the overlap can be fixed by removing the TP section from the Character page, and then toning down the OoT section to much briefer summaries of the Skull Kids that are met, maybe like a single sentence saying that the Skull Kid first met Link in the Lost Woods and did one of three sidequests with him. The non-canon appearances should be on the Character page only, as they are clearly cameos of the MM Skull Kid. Once that's done, the only overlap we have is that the OoT section from the tribe page will have a quick summary on the Character page, and the MM section from the character page will have a quick summary on the tribe page.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 14:34, 27 April 2015 (UTC) | :::I believe we can definitely benefit from a split -- the TP and OoT appearances are basically anonymous generics, representative of the species, and can be safely covered here, while the MM Skull Kid is a strikingly individual character. I think the overlap can be fixed by removing the TP section from the Character page, and then toning down the OoT section to much briefer summaries of the Skull Kids that are met, maybe like a single sentence saying that the Skull Kid first met Link in the Lost Woods and did one of three sidequests with him. The non-canon appearances should be on the Character page only, as they are clearly cameos of the MM Skull Kid. Once that's done, the only overlap we have is that the OoT section from the tribe page will have a quick summary on the Character page, and the MM section from the character page will have a quick summary on the tribe page.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 14:34, 27 April 2015 (UTC) | ||
::::That makes an awful lot of sense. :) {{:User:Hylian King/sig}} 21:12, 27 April 2015 (UTC) | ::::That makes an awful lot of sense. :) {{:User:Hylian King/sig}} 21:12, 27 April 2015 (UTC) | ||
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:tl;dr I agree with the split idea.--I'm just a plain ol' Goron...[[User:Darth Nightmaricus|Darth Nightmaricus]] ([[User talk:Darth Nightmaricus|talk]]) 03:00, 18 May 2015 (UTC) | :tl;dr I agree with the split idea.--I'm just a plain ol' Goron...[[User:Darth Nightmaricus|Darth Nightmaricus]] ([[User talk:Darth Nightmaricus|talk]]) 03:00, 18 May 2015 (UTC) | ||
::I have to pop in and say that ''A Link Between Worlds'' and ''Majora's Mask'' are '''''not''''' the same game, and we cannot treat them the same. There's little to say about the species to justify splitting it from the character(s), and to split would make it more difficult for the readers. "Splitting" Hilda from Hylian (as if that ever was a thing) wouldn't prove as a disservice to readers, as they can simply find what they're looking for by typing in "Hilda". We need to minimize the amount of times that we send readers on a goose chase to find the page they're looking for. {{:User: | ::I have to pop in and say that ''A Link Between Worlds'' and ''Majora's Mask'' are '''''not''''' the same game, and we cannot treat them the same. There's little to say about the species to justify splitting it from the character(s), and to split would make it more difficult for the readers. "Splitting" Hilda from Hylian (as if that ever was a thing) wouldn't prove as a disservice to readers, as they can simply find what they're looking for by typing in "Hilda". We need to minimize the amount of times that we send readers on a goose chase to find the page they're looking for. {{:User:TriforceTony/sig}} 03:32, 18 May 2015 (UTC) | ||
:::I support a split because the page, as written, unhelpfully conflates the MM Skull Kid as representative of the tribe as a whole; his "possessed by an ancient demon" image is even used as the lead image. The article as a whole seems very unsure on whether it should be focusing on the Skull Kids as a race, and noting when a representative from MM appears, or focusing on the specific Skull Kid and mentioning that "hey, I guess he has family but whatever". There's probably a good way to do a merged article, but I feel this article is very much not it, so I feel that the coverage we have ''now'' (which, on its own, ''is'' good material) would be better served by being sorted into separate articles. It's kind of like if...hmm. If there was an article on the Transformers Wiki about the concept of Optimus Primes as an archetype throughout the franchise's multiverse, but 90% of the article was about what the Shattered Glass Optimus (who is an evil twin of the archetype) got up to. Or maybe, an article on Pikachu throughout the Pokemon franchise, but it really only focuses on Ash's Pikachu (who is noted as a very unusual Pikachu), leading new readers to think that every Pikachu ''is'' (or at least acts like) Ash's Pikachu.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 13:49, 18 May 2015 (UTC) | :::I support a split because the page, as written, unhelpfully conflates the MM Skull Kid as representative of the tribe as a whole; his "possessed by an ancient demon" image is even used as the lead image. The article as a whole seems very unsure on whether it should be focusing on the Skull Kids as a race, and noting when a representative from MM appears, or focusing on the specific Skull Kid and mentioning that "hey, I guess he has family but whatever". There's probably a good way to do a merged article, but I feel this article is very much not it, so I feel that the coverage we have ''now'' (which, on its own, ''is'' good material) would be better served by being sorted into separate articles. It's kind of like if...hmm. If there was an article on the Transformers Wiki about the concept of Optimus Primes as an archetype throughout the franchise's multiverse, but 90% of the article was about what the Shattered Glass Optimus (who is an evil twin of the archetype) got up to. Or maybe, an article on Pikachu throughout the Pokemon franchise, but it really only focuses on Ash's Pikachu (who is noted as a very unusual Pikachu), leading new readers to think that every Pikachu ''is'' (or at least acts like) Ash's Pikachu.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 13:49, 18 May 2015 (UTC) | ||
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:::Can we use a Support/Oppose system for this decision, please? --I'm just a plain ol' Goron...[[User:Darth Nightmaricus|Darth Nightmaricus]] ([[User talk:Darth Nightmaricus|talk]]) 22:34, 22 May 2015 (UTC) | :::Can we use a Support/Oppose system for this decision, please? --I'm just a plain ol' Goron...[[User:Darth Nightmaricus|Darth Nightmaricus]] ([[User talk:Darth Nightmaricus|talk]]) 22:34, 22 May 2015 (UTC) | ||
::::Well, this is meant to be passed via ''consensus'', not vote. I wouldn't dismiss the discussion yet though. {{:User: | ::::Well, this is meant to be passed via ''consensus'', not vote. I wouldn't dismiss the discussion yet though. {{:User:TriforceTony/sig}} 23:34, 22 May 2015 (UTC) | ||
== {{ | == {{HW|L}} Puppets == | ||
On the official HWL site it has updated to show Phantom Ganon and Skull Kid. Interesting thing to note, [http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/zelda-3ds/img/chara_skullkid.jpg one new screenshot] shows the skull kid attacking enemies with the [[Puppet]] that the Skull Kid from ''Twilight Princess'' has. the screenshot shows hes even playing the Ocarina while the puppet is attacking, similarly to how the skull kid in TP uses his trumpet. I know this game isnt considered canon by the fandom at large, but I thought it was a bit of interesting info and wanted to share it.<br>[[User:Ixbran|Ixbran]] ([[User talk:Ixbran|talk]]) 10:52, 8 October 2015 (UTC) | On the official HWL site it has updated to show Phantom Ganon and Skull Kid. Interesting thing to note, [http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/zelda-3ds/img/chara_skullkid.jpg one new screenshot] shows the skull kid attacking enemies with the [[Puppet]] that the Skull Kid from ''Twilight Princess'' has. the screenshot shows hes even playing the Ocarina while the puppet is attacking, similarly to how the skull kid in TP uses his trumpet. I know this game isnt considered canon by the fandom at large, but I thought it was a bit of interesting info and wanted to share it.<br/>[[User:Ixbran|Ixbran]] ([[User talk:Ixbran|talk]]) 10:52, 8 October 2015 (UTC) | ||
:That info, along with the rest of his moveset, should be added to the [[Skull Kid#Hyrule Warriors | :That info, along with the rest of his moveset, should be added to the [[Skull Kid#Hyrule Warriors|HW series section]] of the Skull Kid page. {{:User:Chuck/sig}} 20:26, 8 October 2015 (UTC) | ||
