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:I've done some research. This seems to be an issue of our choice to have the article name follow the domain name. I think I have a solution. We need to make a rewrite rule. Here is the guide to making a rewrite rule: <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/Apache_Rewrite_rules Apache Rewrite rules]</span>. That will hopefully solve the problem.{{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">04:36, August 27, 2008 (UTC)</span> | :I've done some research. This seems to be an issue of our choice to have the article name follow the domain name. I think I have a solution. We need to make a rewrite rule. Here is the guide to making a rewrite rule: <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/Apache_Rewrite_rules Apache Rewrite rules]</span>. That will hopefully solve the problem.{{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">04:36, August 27, 2008 (UTC)</span> | ||
::...which is also a part of the & problem, which Jason is ''(supposedly?)'' getting around to fixing. {{:User: | ::...which is also a part of the & problem, which Jason is ''(supposedly?)'' getting around to fixing. {{:User:Ando1400/sig}} 12:13, 27 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::Just because I said "short URL" and "rewrite rule" doesn't mean that they are the same problem. They are two different problems caused by the same thing. We'll need a different rewrite rule for each one.{{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">14:38, August 27, 2008 (UTC)</span> | :::Just because I said "short URL" and "rewrite rule" doesn't mean that they are the same problem. They are two different problems caused by the same thing. We'll need a different rewrite rule for each one.{{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">14:38, August 27, 2008 (UTC)</span> | ||
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It's been long enough. How about we make some rewrite rules. The favicon issue and the ampersand issue are both closely related. But they will each require a different rewrite rule. Since the fixing the ampersand issue will redirect several pages and the favicon issue fix will just change the icon location, I suggest we practice first by trying to fix the favicon issue. Once we have managed to fix that, we should be ready to fix the ampersand issue. Let's not put this off for much longer. Otherwise we'll start to forget what we've already learned.{{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">02:51, October 10, 2008 (UTC)</span> | It's been long enough. How about we make some rewrite rules. The favicon issue and the ampersand issue are both closely related. But they will each require a different rewrite rule. Since the fixing the ampersand issue will redirect several pages and the favicon issue fix will just change the icon location, I suggest we practice first by trying to fix the favicon issue. Once we have managed to fix that, we should be ready to fix the ampersand issue. Let's not put this off for much longer. Otherwise we'll start to forget what we've already learned.{{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">02:51, October 10, 2008 (UTC)</span> | ||
:Wait, I see the favicon. Good gosh, dude, how are you having so many technical problems with the site that I can't replicate?? The ampersand issue still stands, yeah, but favicon seems to be a problem for you alone ''(unless anyone else isn't seeing it as well?)''. But yeah, I'd fix this but it requires root access, which Jason alone has. ''We believe in you, Jason!'' {{:User: | :Wait, I see the favicon. Good gosh, dude, how are you having so many technical problems with the site that I can't replicate?? The ampersand issue still stands, yeah, but favicon seems to be a problem for you alone ''(unless anyone else isn't seeing it as well?)''. But yeah, I'd fix this but it requires root access, which Jason alone has. ''We believe in you, Jason!'' {{:User:Ando1400/sig}} 04:38, 10 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
::Go to a subpage. Try [[User:Matt/Gallery]]. It doesn't show on subpages. I believe I said that above. I explained why it was doing it too.{{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">04:41, October 10, 2008 (UTC)</span> | ::Go to a subpage. Try [[User:Matt/Gallery]]. It doesn't show on subpages. I believe I said that above. I explained why it was doing it too.{{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">04:41, October 10, 2008 (UTC)</span> | ||
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They're a mess. More to the point: What determines if an article is categorized in a category in addition to that category's parent category? There are things like [[:Category:2D games]] and [[:Category:Enemies in A Link to the Past]], which are, but then [[:Category:Forests]], which aren't, and even ones like [[:Category:Mario]] and [[:Category:Villages]] which are ''sometimes''. So, is there standard, or have people just been shoving these randomly together? (The latter seems more likely, honestly.) --[[User:Douken|Douken]] 04:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC) | They're a mess. More to the point: What determines if an article is categorized in a category in addition to that category's parent category? There are things like [[:Category:2D games]] and [[:Category:Enemies in A Link to the Past]], which are, but then [[:Category:Forests]], which aren't, and even ones like [[:Category:Mario]] and [[:Category:Villages]] which are ''sometimes''. So, is there standard, or have people just been shoving these randomly together? (The latter seems more likely, honestly.) --[[User:Douken|Douken]] 04:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Good question, and yeah, it's just been up to the discretion of the editor. We should decide what to do, though. In my opinion, adding something to a category and its parent category... kind of defeats the purpose of having the sub-category to begin with. I vote that all offending articles have the sub-category's parent category removed. All in favor? {{:User: | :Good question, and yeah, it's just been up to the discretion of the editor. We should decide what to do, though. In my opinion, adding something to a category and its parent category... kind of defeats the purpose of having the sub-category to begin with. I vote that all offending articles have the sub-category's parent category removed. All in favor? {{:User:Ando1400/sig}} 17:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC) | ||
::That sounds better than any alternatives I see, but this would mean... quite a bit of work. If this goes through, we should probably conform most of the category descriptions, as many of them are either vague or unspecific. Whenever reasonably possible, I believe "This should list all <category-name> found <in/throughout/around/etc> <insert game/series/place/whatever>." or something like it should be used; it seems to be the most professional and specific phrasing currently used. --[[User:Douken|Douken]] 19:42, 14 September 2008 (UTC) | ::That sounds better than any alternatives I see, but this would mean... quite a bit of work. If this goes through, we should probably conform most of the category descriptions, as many of them are either vague or unspecific. Whenever reasonably possible, I believe "This should list all <category-name> found <in/throughout/around/etc> <insert game/series/place/whatever>." or something like it should be used; it seems to be the most professional and specific phrasing currently used. --[[User:Douken|Douken]] 19:42, 14 September 2008 (UTC) | ||
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:You speak as if we haven't discussed this. | :You speak as if we haven't discussed this. | ||
:Believe me, something like this will be talked about on the staff boards, and has been. Jason hasn't actually commented on what he thinks might be the problem, though, so I can't say I have any news for you. Still, though, three hours? I've had some slow loading times but... dang. At what time was that ''(might be good to get an idea of the average speed at various points throughout the day)''. {{:User: | :Believe me, something like this will be talked about on the staff boards, and has been. Jason hasn't actually commented on what he thinks might be the problem, though, so I can't say I have any news for you. Still, though, three hours? I've had some slow loading times but... dang. At what time was that ''(might be good to get an idea of the average speed at various points throughout the day)''. {{:User:Ando1400/sig}} 00:10, 22 September 2008 (UTC) | ||
::It might just be me. But it seems that many of us regulars most likely will be unable to donate. I guess Adam could, I don't know. I'm fairly sure no one here under 21 has a credit card, or at least they shouldn't!! Let alone PayPal. So, this $3000 will get us a year? At this rate, I'm not sure how many years we can maintain it. When I think of it, $3000 seems a little too much for a year of a server that would suit our needs. That's $250 per month. That is a very expensive sever. I think some of us should go server hunting, find a cheaper one that will give us what we want. And someone get Jason to give us the specs of the new server he is planning to get. That way we can find a better one. $3000 a year just isn't realistic. There is just no way we could possibly maintain that. We need something better.{{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">07:01, October 10, 2008 (UTC)</span> | ::It might just be me. But it seems that many of us regulars most likely will be unable to donate. I guess Adam could, I don't know. I'm fairly sure no one here under 21 has a credit card, or at least they shouldn't!! Let alone PayPal. So, this $3000 will get us a year? At this rate, I'm not sure how many years we can maintain it. When I think of it, $3000 seems a little too much for a year of a server that would suit our needs. That's $250 per month. That is a very expensive sever. I think some of us should go server hunting, find a cheaper one that will give us what we want. And someone get Jason to give us the specs of the new server he is planning to get. That way we can find a better one. $3000 a year just isn't realistic. There is just no way we could possibly maintain that. We need something better.{{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">07:01, October 10, 2008 (UTC)</span> | ||
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:::::Ditto what Markol said. I got the very same error moments ago. --[[User:Yuvorias|Felicia's Champion]] 22:18, 14 October 2008 (UTC) | :::::Ditto what Markol said. I got the very same error moments ago. --[[User:Yuvorias|Felicia's Champion]] 22:18, 14 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
Hm, well I haven't gotten the errors -- I've actually noticed a marked increase in loading times. :/ Took me 4 seconds to load this page, and I'm averaging about 6 seconds per page, 10 if it's particularly slow, as opposed to the 45+ seconds I was getting before. I ''did'' notice a small period during the day ''(lasted maybe five minutes)'' wherein the loading times seemed to revert to their slower selves, but it resolved itself. I would like to know if we have caching enabled on the Wiki, though. It's DEFINITELY off on the main page ''(the RSS extension forces that)'', but what about on other pages? {{:User: | Hm, well I haven't gotten the errors -- I've actually noticed a marked increase in loading times. :/ Took me 4 seconds to load this page, and I'm averaging about 6 seconds per page, 10 if it's particularly slow, as opposed to the 45+ seconds I was getting before. I ''did'' notice a small period during the day ''(lasted maybe five minutes)'' wherein the loading times seemed to revert to their slower selves, but it resolved itself. I would like to know if we have caching enabled on the Wiki, though. It's DEFINITELY off on the main page ''(the RSS extension forces that)'', but what about on other pages? {{:User:Ando1400/sig}} 22:59, 14 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
== Japanese Names == | == Japanese Names == | ||
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:Holy crap, how'd I not notice this until just now? ... | :Holy crap, how'd I not notice this until just now? ... | ||
:Uh, anyway, it ''could'' work, I guess. I honestly don't think that the Japanese looks too weird at all, but maybe I'm alone on that belief? What are everyone else's thoughts ''(considering that it will be a transition that will take a bit of time, we shouldn't do it too lightly)''. {{:User: | :Uh, anyway, it ''could'' work, I guess. I honestly don't think that the Japanese looks too weird at all, but maybe I'm alone on that belief? What are everyone else's thoughts ''(considering that it will be a transition that will take a bit of time, we shouldn't do it too lightly)''. {{:User:Ando1400/sig}} 04:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
== Sidebar Changes == | == Sidebar Changes == | ||
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#Mmmm, not so much. After all, if I want to get straight to Pieces of Heart, I have to take that extra step. Perhaps not "wiki-destroyingly bad" or anything, but I'd be mildly annoyed | #Mmmm, not so much. After all, if I want to get straight to Pieces of Heart, I have to take that extra step. Perhaps not "wiki-destroyingly bad" or anything, but I'd be mildly annoyed | ||
#YES. '''VERY YES.''' | #YES. '''VERY YES.''' | ||
#Eh, it kind of removes the focus on the actual owners, doesn't it? They help keep us going, and so we shove them to the bottom? Plus, what you say about its size change is pretty crazy. Sometimes it shows two links, sometimes ten. Could be fairly disorienting. I like the idea of having those links closer to home, but I think that the negatives sort of outweigh the positives. {{:User: | #Eh, it kind of removes the focus on the actual owners, doesn't it? They help keep us going, and so we shove them to the bottom? Plus, what you say about its size change is pretty crazy. Sometimes it shows two links, sometimes ten. Could be fairly disorienting. I like the idea of having those links closer to home, but I think that the negatives sort of outweigh the positives. {{:User:Ando1400/sig}} 14:47, 16 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
:2 and 4 done. {{:User:Adam/sig}} 05:38, 8 April 2009 (UTC) | :2 and 4 done. {{:User:Adam/sig}} 05:38, 8 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
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:Bye the way, I have the recent changes set to auto-reload every minute at all times. If I'm at my computer, I'll catch it. I haven't heard of anyone else doing this so that is why I caught this. But to confirm all this, all you have to do it do like I do and keep an eye on it.{{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">20:56, October 26, 2008 (UTC)</span> | :Bye the way, I have the recent changes set to auto-reload every minute at all times. If I'm at my computer, I'll catch it. I haven't heard of anyone else doing this so that is why I caught this. But to confirm all this, all you have to do it do like I do and keep an eye on it.{{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">20:56, October 26, 2008 (UTC)</span> | ||
::Every minute? Really? I've got it going every five... Hm, whatever. But okay, to test this out I've set it to constant one-minute reloads, so we'll see what happens. {{:User: | ::Every minute? Really? I've got it going every five... Hm, whatever. But okay, to test this out I've set it to constant one-minute reloads, so we'll see what happens. {{:User:Ando1400/sig}} 21:03, 26 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::I have proof!. It just happened again. This time I took a screenshot. Just give me a second to upload it.{{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">21:10, October 26, 2008 (UTC)</span> | :::I have proof!. It just happened again. This time I took a screenshot. Just give me a second to upload it.{{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">21:10, October 26, 2008 (UTC)</span> | ||
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Here it is. See?{{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">21:14, October 26, 2008 (UTC)</span> | Here it is. See?{{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">21:14, October 26, 2008 (UTC)</span> | ||
:You... speak as if I don't believe you. :P I think I might test this out later as the site's running a little too slowly for me to really be able to effectively patrol running on one-minute reloads. ''(Sure enough this error will be dependent on site traffic.)'' {{:User: | :You... speak as if I don't believe you. :P I think I might test this out later as the site's running a little too slowly for me to really be able to effectively patrol running on one-minute reloads. ''(Sure enough this error will be dependent on site traffic.)'' {{:User:Ando1400/sig}} 21:28, 26 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
::Well, to be perfectly honest, you did not believe me when I reported the last few problems, besides loading times. (LOGO!!! It really was gone! Favicon, but that was just a misread on your part.){{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">21:35, October 26, 2008 (UTC)</span> | ::Well, to be perfectly honest, you did not believe me when I reported the last few problems, besides loading times. (LOGO!!! It really was gone! Favicon, but that was just a misread on your part.){{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">21:35, October 26, 2008 (UTC)</span> | ||
:::Er, I never said I didn't believe you regarding the logo, only that I couldn't replicate it and found it odd that you and everyone you knew were having the same problem that I couldn't see. :P The Favicon, eh, I got confused and forgot what "subpage" meant; but I certainly never thought you were lying. {{:User: | :::Er, I never said I didn't believe you regarding the logo, only that I couldn't replicate it and found it odd that you and everyone you knew were having the same problem that I couldn't see. :P The Favicon, eh, I got confused and forgot what "subpage" meant; but I certainly never thought you were lying. {{:User:Ando1400/sig}} 21:47, 26 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
{{clear}} | {{clear}} | ||
::Regardless of the intention of your remarks to those issues, there was a distinct tone of disbelief. My theory is that this is due to your tendency to rush edits and then leave. Just a theory.{{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">22:28, October 26, 2008 (UTC)</span><br><small>Yes, this entire post was sarcasm. Intended to let everyone blow off some steam.</small> | ::Regardless of the intention of your remarks to those issues, there was a distinct tone of disbelief. My theory is that this is due to your tendency to rush edits and then leave. Just a theory.{{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">22:28, October 26, 2008 (UTC)</span><br><small>Yes, this entire post was sarcasm. Intended to let everyone blow off some steam.</small> | ||
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::::Nobody has informed me, but I'm informed now and will fix it up today. I haven't gotten the error myself, but I'm sure a repair will fix things up. If not, something else. --[[User:Jason|Jason]] 13:11, 31 October 2008 (UTC) | ::::Nobody has informed me, but I'm informed now and will fix it up today. I haven't gotten the error myself, but I'm sure a repair will fix things up. If not, something else. --[[User:Jason|Jason]] 13:11, 31 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
um, oh. You always know these things before I tell you so I figured it'd be redundant to tell you. >_> Sorry 'bout that. {{:User: | um, oh. You always know these things before I tell you so I figured it'd be redundant to tell you. >_> Sorry 'bout that. {{:User:Ando1400/sig}} 17:13, 31 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Hmmmm..... What the hell is going on with the site? Everything is messed up. The backgrounds are white. The frames are gone. Everything is all screwy.{{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">19:19, November 1, 2008 (UTC)</span> | :Hmmmm..... What the hell is going on with the site? Everything is messed up. The backgrounds are white. The frames are gone. Everything is all screwy.{{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">19:19, November 1, 2008 (UTC)</span> | ||
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:::dude it's like zelda wiki circa 1990 | :::dude it's like zelda wiki circa 1990 | ||
:::Sounds to me like just a regular PHP loading error. Was the site running particularly slowly at that time? I've noticed that when some sites load slowly they will just load the plain text instead of all the images. {{:User: | :::Sounds to me like just a regular PHP loading error. Was the site running particularly slowly at that time? I've noticed that when some sites load slowly they will just load the plain text instead of all the images. {{:User:Ando1400/sig}} 23:36, 1 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
Well I know it isn't just me. The Internet Archive Wayback Machine archived the site when it was doing his once. The site was very slow right before it happened. Then while it was happening the site was really fast.{{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">23:46, November 1, 2008 (UTC)</span> | Well I know it isn't just me. The Internet Archive Wayback Machine archived the site when it was doing his once. The site was very slow right before it happened. Then while it was happening the site was really fast.{{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">23:46, November 1, 2008 (UTC)</span> | ||
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- [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 17:37, 29 October 2008 (UTC) | - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 17:37, 29 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
:So these are the fixes for the new MediaWiki version? We've been looking for these, actually. :P Excellent, I'll toss them to [[User:Jason|Jason]] and see what happens. {{:User: | :So these are the fixes for the new MediaWiki version? We've been looking for these, actually. :P Excellent, I'll toss them to [[User:Jason|Jason]] and see what happens. {{:User:Ando1400/sig}} 17:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
::Yeah, Jason had some trouble fixing these. Perhaps he just didn't get it quite right. This might help.{{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">17:45, October 29, 2008 (UTC)</span> | ::Yeah, Jason had some trouble fixing these. Perhaps he just didn't get it quite right. This might help.{{:User:Matt/sig|~}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">17:45, October 29, 2008 (UTC)</span> | ||
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How do i do this? This should be in the help section... {{nosig|Dekuta|02:09, 27 December 2008 (UTC)}} | How do i do this? This should be in the help section... {{nosig|Dekuta|02:09, 27 December 2008 (UTC)}} | ||
:Actually, it is: [[Help:Custom Signatures]] ;) {{:User: | :Actually, it is: [[Help:Custom Signatures]] ;) {{:User:Ando1400/sig}} 02:14, 27 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
Sorry. couldn't find it[[User:Dekuta|Dekuta]] 18:10, 9 May 2009 (UTC) | Sorry. couldn't find it[[User:Dekuta|Dekuta]] 18:10, 9 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
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:[[:Category:User_Signatures|Here's]] a tutorial. {{:User:Steven/sig}} 02:33, 12 January 2009 (UTC) | :[[:Category:User_Signatures|Here's]] a tutorial. {{:User:Steven/sig}} 02:33, 12 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Steve, you're a terrible person, giving people outdated information like that. OBVIOUSLY the real tutorial is [[Help:Custom Signatures|here]]. ;D {{:User: | ::Steve, you're a terrible person, giving people outdated information like that. OBVIOUSLY the real tutorial is [[Help:Custom Signatures|here]]. ;D {{:User:Ando1400/sig}} 18:57, 12 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
== Pictures == | == Pictures == | ||
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:Hey there! The unsigned comment thing is achieved with the {{[[:Template:nosig|nosig]]}} template. | :Hey there! The unsigned comment thing is achieved with the {{[[:Template:nosig|nosig]]}} template. | ||
:Also, yeah, someone should probably archive part of this page. :P {{:User: | :Also, yeah, someone should probably archive part of this page. :P {{:User:Ando1400/sig}} 05:12, 25 February 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Ok, thanks! {{:User:Alter/sig}} 06:04, 25 February 2009 (UTC) | ::Ok, thanks! {{:User:Alter/sig}} 06:04, 25 February 2009 (UTC) | ||
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I personally believe that there's little fault with the theory itself; whether from an in-game headset or not, no one can deny that there is actual human speech in the song itself ''(Japanese, to be precise)'', a first for the Zelda series. The way it was placed into the article was incorrect, sure ''(improper referencing, mainly)'', but that's easily fixed and left in the article. I believe that stating that a song contains spoken dialogue is PLENTY notable for a trivia section, given that no other song can claim this.<br> | I personally believe that there's little fault with the theory itself; whether from an in-game headset or not, no one can deny that there is actual human speech in the song itself ''(Japanese, to be precise)'', a first for the Zelda series. The way it was placed into the article was incorrect, sure ''(improper referencing, mainly)'', but that's easily fixed and left in the article. I believe that stating that a song contains spoken dialogue is PLENTY notable for a trivia section, given that no other song can claim this.<br> | ||
On another note, Claeric, I would like to ask that you calm down please? In my experience, getting angry only serves to be destructive and cause everything to break down into argument, which I highly doubt any of us want. ;) If you have a problem with an edit you made being altered / undone, please discuss the situation with the person who undid the edit and try to work out a solution. {{:User: | On another note, Claeric, I would like to ask that you calm down please? In my experience, getting angry only serves to be destructive and cause everything to break down into argument, which I highly doubt any of us want. ;) If you have a problem with an edit you made being altered / undone, please discuss the situation with the person who undid the edit and try to work out a solution. {{:User:Ando1400/sig}} 01:10, 14 March 2009 (UTC)<br> | ||
P.S. Actually, Axiomist, YouTube videos are valid references, unless something's changed recently that I'm unaware of? Just need to use {{[[Template:cite web|cite web]]}}. | P.S. Actually, Axiomist, YouTube videos are valid references, unless something's changed recently that I'm unaware of? Just need to use {{[[Template:cite web|cite web]]}}. | ||