User talk:Vaati The Wind Demon@legacy41963446

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The point of the link was that "dogpiling" onto trivia notes like that simply isn't professional. It's done on trvtropes, and it really shouldn't be done anywhere else.

"I only added to it because part of it was already there in the trivia and it seemed to pertain to that trivia's part. " --this is what the other editor was criticizing. If you just keep adding onto a badly written trivia note with "well not quite!" and stuff like that, it makes the page look like it was written by a schizophrenic chipmunk. When you see stuff that needs to be corrected, correct it. Don't add to it in a way that makes it look like the authors are arguing on the page itself.

Basically, try to keep in mind whether what you're adding is actually informative, or just..."similar".KrytenKoro 23:40, 9 January 2012 (EST)

Just to point out that, recently, TV Tropes is strongly discouraging this type of text as well. So yeah, follow the suggestions of KrystenKoro and don't do it at all. It's not a very good formatting style to begin with, really =/. --User:K2L/sig 02:28, 10 January 2012 (EST)

Translations

Did you do a lot of edits like this? I hope this doesn't offend, but that's not a more accurate translation, and if you've been modifying a lot of these I'd like to know so I can check them.KrytenKoro (talk) 13:43, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

"Devil" is a pretty standard and accurate translation for any sort of significant, evil, supernatural entity. There's no specific characteristics required beyond that.

Ex: 魔神 【まじん; ましん】 (n) devil; evil spirit; genie [Edit][L][G][GI][S][A][W] [JW]

(From WWWJDIC).

devil (plural devils)

1.(theology) A creature of hell.

4.A wicked or naughty person, or one who harbors reckless, spirited energy, especially in a mischievous way; usually said of a young child.

9.(religion, Christian Science) An evil or erring entity.

(From wiktionary)

Also see: Digital Devil Saga, Devil May Cry's Devil Arms, etc. for other non-Christian uses of "Devil".KrytenKoro (talk) 15:55, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

I still don't see why it would be considered inaccurate; devils are "powerful evil demons with a destructive purpose for disasters", the terms are basically synonymous. For example, google gives 2,430,000 results for "devil" and only 76,300 results for "demon god". "Devil" is thirty times more likely to be used as a translation, and while there are connotations that would be inaccurate, there are also connotations that would be perfectly accurate, and less awkwardly worded. Bellum is a "devil", even if he isn't Satan himself; even the Christian Science definition allows for "devil" to be a general noun for a type of thing, rather than a specific entity.KrytenKoro (talk) 21:09, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Literally a demonic god, yes. "Devil" is an accurate translation for that, and is the most-used translation of that kanji compound to boot.

I'm not misunderstanding, I just don't agree that there's a distinction between "devil" and "demonic god". The term "devil", especially as a general rather than proper noun, is very often used for a demonic god. Furthermore, even in Christianity, the devil is treated and often seen as part of a dualistic system, an evil (though usually lesser) counterpart to Yahweh, what many belief systems would still term a god. If absolutely necessary, we could put a note explaining that the Zelda series isn't calling Bellum a form of the Christian Satan, but the word "devil" is an accurate and preferable translation for that word and that title.KrytenKoro (talk) 21:53, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Oh aye, I can vouch that even from a Catholic perspective, when performing an exorcism you're supposed to treat any unclean spirit as "a devil", and not humor any of their claptrap about being a fifth-highest Duke of Pandaemonium or any nonsense. Even in Christianity, "devil" has ample usage as a "type" of entity. As for perspectives outside of Christianity, Satan is very often interpreted as a sort of Anti-Yahweh, and demonic god entities in folklore and fiction are often just called devils. "Maou" (demon kings/lords) are also frequently translated as "devil", but on the whole, translating "majin" as "devil" is accepted and accurate.KrytenKoro (talk) 22:14, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, no ones ever clearly explained those, not even in most of the translations websites either, they just slap on the word and expect an immediate understanding. How would we use the terms Akujin/悪神 and 邪神/Jashin, both have very similar meanings, but is there anything different. The word devil and demon have so many words in Japanese, similar and unique ones, it's hard to choose context since the Zelda series always switches around words, like Debiru/デビル, Akuma/悪魔, Akujin/悪神, and Mao/魔王, all I can do when translating them for a specific character is these three rules I go by.

1. How they look, their appearance, and their traits.

2. What's their backstory, what we know about them, and where did they come from.

3. What is their personality, their character, and what they act like in every situation.

4. What's the right words to choose to prevent a confusion from ever happening.

--Vaati The Wind Demon (talk) 22:50, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

I've not heard of Akujin before, but I've seen Jashin, and it is usually translated as "Wicked God" or "Evil God" -- something not specifically demonic, but still evil, like Loki or Ares.

Mao is generally either "Demon Lord", as it's analagous to how a lot of medieval grimoires organized demons into hierarchies. Akuma, though, is just a generic minor demon, something weak but evil.KrytenKoro (talk) 00:09, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Palace of Winds

Would you mind if I use the Palace of Winds as an example for my Game: proposal at Hyrule Castle? I plan to separate the articles into four portions -- three for each of the dungeon incarnations, and one for the fiction. These will be created at:

• User:KrytenKoro/Palace of Winds
• User:KrytenKoro/Game:Four Swords/Palace of Winds
  • Alternatively, User:KrytenKoro/Game:Palace of Winds (FS)
• User:KrytenKoro/Game:Four Swords Adventures/Palace of Winds
  • Alternatively, User:KrytenKoro/Game:Palace of Winds (FSA)
• User:KrytenKoro/Game:The Minish Cap/Palace of Winds
  • Alternatively, User:KrytenKoro/Game:Palace of Winds (TMC)

Would you like to assist with these? I'll let you choose whether the articles are filed by game (default) or just topic (alternative).KrytenKoro (talk) 20:30, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Absolutely go right ahead, TBH, that Palace of Winds (Four Swords) article was my very first page I ever created on Zelda Wiki! --Vaati The Wind Demon (talk) 20:34, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Speaking of the Palace of Winds, the article was split into 3 pages without any apparent discussion. It's a rather large change, so can you tell me what exactly led to the decision to split? Otherwise, I'm compelled to revert the change. User:Abdullah/sig 16:20, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Well according to this Wiki's rules, they have to have their own pages by game, even Pakkun suggested it was a good idea to split the page by game, http://zeldawiki.org/User_talk:Pakkun#A_Request.21. This was the page that started it all, http://zeldawiki.org/Palace_of_Winds_(The_Minish_Cap). TBH when the MC page was made, I was against splitting it at first, but rules are rules. --Vaati The Wind Demon (talk) 17:01, 20 February 2014 (UTC)