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As you may have noticed from the Recent Changes, I corrected many links linking to the Twilight Princess disambiguation page. I'm sort of a perfectionist, so I like to be thorough. It was already agreed upon that fixing these links on talk pages and user pages will help those users to remember how to correctly link to the respective page. There are still four pages left to be fixed at Pages that link to Twilight Princess. The one on the talk page stays because it is clearly said that that link is a link to the disambiguation page. But the rest are protected news pages.User:Mjr162006/sig 15:15, July 20, 2008 (UTC)

The two pages in the category Wiki Exclusives need their links to "The Legend of Zelda series" corrected to "The Legend of Zelda (Series)".User:Mjr162006/sig 17:39, August 13, 2008 (UTC)

Too many new users sign their posts wrong. They do something like this:

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No offense to anyone that has done this, but I'm getting sick of explaining it every time. One solution is to edit this page and add detail instructions on how not to make this mistake. We could use bold letters, underlining, bright and contrasting colors, etc. to make it impossible not to notice it.User:Mjr162006/sig 22:09, September 21, 2008 (UTC)

Zelda Music Links

Did anyone else notice that nearly all of our links to Zelda music files are dead? This must be do to the recent changes to the Zelda Universe.net interface. We'll have to go through all the music links and replace them with good versions.User:Mjr162006/sig 00:33, August 5, 2008 (UTC)

FRIGGIN' ZELDA UNIVERSE NEEDS TO GET A MAKEOVER AND JASON DECIDES NOT TO TELL US OUR LINKS ARE DEAD ARGHLARGHGAH!

Well, if most of the links go to the same place, Jason should be able to help us. I hope. User:Seablue254/sig 00:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I've already had to do this a number of times in the past. It'll be quite tricky to find all the affected pages. It may be an idea to create a template for "play this song" links - not only would this standardize the formatting, but it would allow pages containing such file links to be categorized if required, making this process easier in future. Matt? User:Adamcox82/sig 18:08, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan.User:Mjr162006/sig 22:37, August 12, 2008 (UTC)

Wait a minute. We don't need to put it in a category. All we need is the proposed template's "What links here" page. Simple·User:Mjr162006/sig 22:58, August 12, 2008 (UTC)

Fav Icon

Has anyone else noticed that, on subpages, the site's favicon doesn't show up? Why does it do this? I'll tell you why. On the pages that it does show up, the software looks for this file: http://zeldawiki.org/skins/monobook/favicon.ico. But, on a subpage, it looks for a file like this: http://zeldawiki.org/Base_Page_Name /skins/monobook/favicon.ico. So every subpage it looks in a unique place for the favicon file and it just isn't going to find it. I'm not exactly sure how to fix this. But... ...The favicon will show up on subpages when editing them. This means that the problem has to be in the coding for our site's short URLs. So that is the place to start.User:Mjr162006/sig 04:17, August 27, 2008 (UTC)

I've done some research. This seems to be an issue of our choice to have the article name follow the domain name. I think I have a solution. We need to make a rewrite rule. Here is the guide to making a rewrite rule: Apache Rewrite rules. That will hopefully solve the problem.User:Mjr162006/sig 04:36, August 27, 2008 (UTC)

...which is also a part of the & problem, which Jason is (supposedly?) getting around to fixing. User:Ando/sig 12:13, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Just because I said "short URL" and "rewrite rule" doesn't mean that they are the same problem. They are two different problems caused by the same thing. We'll need a different rewrite rule for each one.User:Mjr162006/sig 14:38, August 27, 2008 (UTC)

It's been long enough. How about we make some rewrite rules. The favicon issue and the ampersand issue are both closely related. But they will each require a different rewrite rule. Since the fixing the ampersand issue will redirect several pages and the favicon issue fix will just change the icon location, I suggest we practice first by trying to fix the favicon issue. Once we have managed to fix that, we should be ready to fix the ampersand issue. Let's not put this off for much longer. Otherwise we'll start to forget what we've already learned.User:Mjr162006/sig 02:51, October 10, 2008 (UTC)

Wait, I see the favicon. Good gosh, dude, how are you having so many technical problems with the site that I can't replicate?? The ampersand issue still stands, yeah, but favicon seems to be a problem for you alone (unless anyone else isn't seeing it as well?). But yeah, I'd fix this but it requires root access, which Jason alone has. We believe in you, Jason! User:Ando/sig 04:38, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Go to a subpage. Try User:Mjr162006/Gallery. It doesn't show on subpages. I believe I said that above. I explained why it was doing it too.User:Mjr162006/sig 04:41, October 10, 2008 (UTC)

Jeez, Ando. What is it? Twelve times (I don't know, but it feels like it!) or so that I caught you "missing" vital info that lays a mere paragraph or two above? You have got to shake this habit. It is getting to be rather embarrassing. :P Oh, and you might want to hang around for a few minutes after you edit. You always seem to "make an edit or two then run". You can't really be sick or that busy all the time. You have being doing it every time you edit for months now. If you can't stay and wait after an edit then just add "got to go!" to your last edit to a talk page. I'm just saying. I tend to catch your edits right after you make them and then respond, but you "run" and I have to wait a long time for response. I always have ZW.org recent changes reloading constantly in the background whenever my PC is on. So I'll probably catch your talk page edits right away, within a few minutes during the afternoon for sure. So try to stay for five or ten minutes if possible! Now! To business! We should definitely try out fixing the favicon issue first. If we mess up the first time then the consequences are minimal. But messing up with the ampersand issue will really mess things up for anyone trying to get to those pages. If we can successfully fix the favicon issue, the ampersand issue will be easy. We're going to ask Jason to try to make some time to do this. I'm not sure how long it'll take, but I'm guessing that it'll take somewhere around twenty minutes to an hour (depending on our luck).User:Mjr162006/sig 06:44, October 10, 2008 (UTC)

Gallery

Are the new galleries going to be changed? The new ones don't look as good as the original, and the text on the current ones are too light anyway. User:MARKOL/sig 11:34, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Nope. I'm afraid the consensus among the staff is that the new style galleries are preferred. Also, I can't see any problem with the text? Were you talking about before they were changed to blue from the default white/grey? User:Adamcox82/sig 09:38, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Categories and Sub-Categories

They're a mess. More to the point: What determines if an article is categorized in a category in addition to that category's parent category? There are things like Category:2D games and Category:Enemies in The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, which are, but then Category:Forests, which aren't, and even ones like Category:Mario and Category:Villages which are sometimes. So, is there standard, or have people just been shoving these randomly together? (The latter seems more likely, honestly.) --Douken 04:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Good question, and yeah, it's just been up to the discretion of the editor. We should decide what to do, though. In my opinion, adding something to a category and its parent category... kind of defeats the purpose of having the sub-category to begin with. I vote that all offending articles have the sub-category's parent category removed. All in favor? User:Ando/sig 17:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

That sounds better than any alternatives I see, but this would mean... quite a bit of work. If this goes through, we should probably conform most of the category descriptions, as many of them are either vague or unspecific. Whenever reasonably possible, I believe "This should list all <category-name> found <in/throughout/around/etc> <insert game/series/place/whatever>." or something like it should be used; it seems to be the most professional and specific phrasing currently used. --Douken 19:42, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I'd actually be inclined to suggest that we do the opposite. Let me explain why I think it's important that (in most cases) articles have both the parent and sub-category. Using only sub-categories greatly restricts the ability of less-knowledgeable users to browse content. For example, I want to find a Person, but can't quite remember the name - now I also need to know what game(s) they appear in. Or even more simply - I want to be able to see all Places in one list, rather than being restricted by what type/classification of place they are. To me, it's just making things less user-friendly for no discernible benefit (I haven't seen anything above that justifies why it needs to be done). Also, most articles currently have both categories - this would be a LOT of work... User:Adamcox82/sig 21:07, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

If someone can't identify the name or game of a Person, they'd still have to scroll through 377+ articles in Category:People in hopes of finding a specific one? I can't reasonably imagine anyone that casual about this series would be that patient/desperate to find the associated article. Ando's way should be done because it's much more efficient and reliable to have it set either one way or the other, and because categorizing everything in Zelda into Nintendo, and everything in Nintendo into Video Game Companies doesn't sound practical. It's also less confusing Ando's way, if you ask me. --Douken 21:42, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Loading Times

What is up with the site? Things have been getting slower and slower to load for months. I just had to wait three hours for one page to load. No it is not my connection any other website loads normally. Are we reaching are maximum bandwidth? We have to fix this now. If we just keep shrugging it off, people are going to get angry and frustrated and we'll lose members and many thousands of viewers. Are reputation will also be hurt, bad. We need to find out why the loading times for all our pages are so slow and fix it.User:Mjr162006/sig 21:47, September 21, 2008 (UTC)

You speak as if we haven't discussed this.

Believe me, something like this will be talked about on the staff boards, and has been. Jason hasn't actually commented on what he thinks might be the problem, though, so I can't say I have any news for you. Still, though, three hours? I've had some slow loading times but... dang. At what time was that (might be good to get an idea of the average speed at various points throughout the day). User:Ando/sig 00:10, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

It might just be me. But it seems that many of us regulars most likely will be unable to donate. I guess Adam could, I don't know. I'm fairly sure no one here under 21 has a credit card, or at least they shouldn't!! Let alone PayPal. So, this $3000 will get us a year? At this rate, I'm not sure how many years we can maintain it. When I think of it, $3000 seems a little too much for a year of a server that would suit our needs. That's $250 per month. That is a very expensive sever. I think some of us should go server hunting, find a cheaper one that will give us what we want. And someone get Jason to give us the specs of the new server he is planning to get. That way we can find a better one. $3000 a year just isn't realistic. There is just no way we could possibly maintain that. We need something better.User:Mjr162006/sig 07:01, October 10, 2008 (UTC)

Well, we didn't really have a choice but to go off a get this server. Those crashes were getting bad. It was almost to the point where I feared that people wouldn't be able to donate at all. But in my current run of redirect fixing I've notice that loading times have not improved much, if at all. Un-cached or newly edited pages take ten to twelve seconds to load at minimum, up to a minute at most. I've got a fast connection and a fast PC. Some other people should report their speeds as well so we can get a better idea of how speeds have changed.User:Mjr162006/sig 21:39, October 14, 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it took me about a minute just to get on this page, and another page I recently visited said there was a missing parserfunction and that the "mysql server had gone away" (seriously). User:MARKOL/sig 22:16, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Ditto what Markol said. I got the very same error moments ago. --Felicia's Champion 22:18, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Japanese Names

Thanks to the work of Js06, we now have a vast number of pages with the Japanese name for the subject on the page. But I think that is looks too weird. Earlier on, I proposed putting the Japanese name for the games in the page's infobox. At the time very few character pages had the Japanese name. No that is different. I now propose that we move all the Japanese names on the site to the each respective infobox. It would not be hard to edit the templates to allow this. But it would take time to move everything. Everyone else okay with this?User:Mjr162006/sig 20:52, October 2, 2008 (UTC)

Holy crap, how'd I not notice this until just now? ...

Uh, anyway, it could work, I guess. I honestly don't think that the Japanese looks too weird at all, but maybe I'm alone on that belief? What are everyone else's thoughts (considering that it will be a transition that will take a bit of time, we shouldn't do it too lightly). User:Ando/sig 04:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)