Talk:Maple

Race

Her profile says that she's human, but is that correct? Are there humans in LoZ? It seems as though she would be a Hyrulian (not Hylian, mind you). Am I wrong? —Alter  ^{{T C B H }} 05:32, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Hylian = pointy ears. Human = no pointy ears. Hyrulean = any resident of Hyrule (including Gorons, Zoras, etc.). Maple doesn't live in Hyrule. --Makar Rocks 05:38, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, I agree with Makar Rocks. It's helpful to have a distinction between the human and nonhuman Hyrulians. By the way Makar, you've been doing great work with all of the categorizations lately. User:Axiomist/sig 07:53, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, you have been doing a good job. I understand that, but that's more of a Lord of the Rings idea than Zelda. As I previously said, LoZ has never made a mention of humans. But Maple also appears in ALttP (Hyrule), not just Holodrum. Besides, Holodrum is in Hyrule (world), not another dimension, although many people believe that.

I'm going to say that she's a Hyrulian. —Alter  ^{{T C B H }} 17:17, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

"Hylian = pointy ears. Human = no pointy ears. Hyrulean = any resident of Hyrule (including Gorons, Zoras, etc.). Maple doesn't live in Hyrule."
That pretty much says it all. I don't see why there is further need to question it. :? User:Mandi/sig 17:29, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Because that's a fan-made idea based off of other series, such as Warcraft, LotR, etc.

Let me bold this part- I can see that no one read what I said. Holodrum is in Hyrule (world). Excluding that fact, Maple is in ALttP! If I'm correct, Hyrule is in Hyrule! Not trying to sound like I'm getting frustrated, but I can tell that no one has actually carefully read what I said. Search the text dumps- Humans are never mentioned in Zelda. —Alter  ^{{T C B H }} 18:00, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

First of all, I did indeed, read what you said. Very carefully too. What Makar Rocks has aleady pointed out is logic. Pointed ears are a known trait of the Hylian race. Maple does not possess pointed ears. Therefore, this puts her into the category of: Human. Now, any human that is a resident of Hyrule is usually referred to as, Hyrulean. Maple is not a resident of Hyrule. Therefore I don't believe it would be proper to categorize her as such.User:Mandi/sig 18:56, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
P.S. Holodrum is not a part of Hyule. Not that I am aware of anyhow. But, then again, my Zelda knowledge is a bit rusty. :P

Ok, thanks for reading it. :D

But she appears to live in Hyrule in ALttP. Also, Princess Zelda visits Holodrum, coming from the country of Hyrule. The OoS manga, although non-canon, states that Holodrum is nearby Hyrule (in the same world, not the same country). It is my understanding that those who live in the world of Hyrule are "Hyrulians" (Not Hylians)). The issue that humans are never mentioned in Zelda does raise a red flag, however. I'd like to think that Zelda is a little more original than something such as warcraft, that simply copied Tolkien's (Lord of the Rings author) ideas of humans, elves (Hylians), and dwarfs (gorons). Yes, I know that this is a bit of a stretch, but you can take my word for it, as I have done quite a bit of study on how the ideas of creatures such as elves, dwarfs, etc evolved.

I guess I'm taking this a little out of range. Now I'm discussing the whole race system here. Anyway, she does live in the world of Hyrule, and appears to live in the country. I think that means she's a Hyrulian. Sorry if I went off on a tangent there. lol —Alter  ^{{T C B H }} 20:40, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

She is not in ALttP. They just reused her sprite in the rerelease of ALttP for the GBA. That's not Maple. character sprites and models have been reused before for completely different characters. That does not make them the same character. Think the Chicken Lady from OoT, and Anju from MM. They are completely different characters. So Maple is not in Hyrule at all. I'm fairly certain that even in the GBA remake that character is called the "Witch's Apprentice".User:Matt/sig 20:53, May 7, 2009 (UTC)

Alright. Well, you can do whatever, but I'm still going to stick with the fact that Holodrum is in the world of Hyrule. Another reason for this would be that Impa states (in a linked game) that she is visiting from the country of Hyrule, and is Zelda caretaker, thus indicating that it is still the world. That is just my take on it.

I guess the real question is: If you live in the world of Hyrule, are you a Hyrulian? I would think so, since we are all earthlings. ; ) lol So what do you think? —Alter  ^{{T C B H }} 21:22, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

The world is not called Hyrule. It doesn't have a name, but we know it is not Hyrule.

You have...never been to Hyrule, right? In the kingdom of Hyrule there is a great castle, and around it is Castle Town,
a community far bigger than our little village. ...And far bigger than Hyrule is the rest of the world the gods created. You should look upon it all with your own eyes.

— Rusl (Twilight Princess)

So, no, she is not in any Hyrule.User:Matt/sig 21:59, May 7, 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I'll just let it go. The "world of Hyrule" has actually been mentioned by Nintendo, although I can't remember the source. I'll just drop it until I come across it again.

P.S. I believe that ZU had that posted about a year or two back, and it surprised me to find that out. —Alter  ^{{T C B H }} 22:56, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Wow! Didn't expect so much debate here. Even if the name "Humans" for non-Hylians is fanon, there has to be some distinction between the two races because there's such an obvious physical difference (Rusl vs. Chudley, for instance). I also think that Hyrule is a kingdom in an unnamed world, so a resident of Labrynna or Holodrum could not be called a Hyrulean. And thanks for the compliment, Axiomist! --Makar Rocks 00:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I always looked at it like this: If it can cause a debate, then something's wrong. I was thinking, one acceptable solution would be to use 'People' and scrap 'Human' bc at best those two categories can be exactly the same. Btw Alter I always read what you write here. I think "World of Hyrule," "World of Mario," & such are less of canon terms than nintendo referring to the series. I mean the Great Sea would have kept the World name if it weren't just a Kingdom's name, in my opinion. User:Axiomist/sig 05:51, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm in agreeance with you, Ax. Well, when I was refering to "world", I meant the actual globe, which I do believe has been officially called Hyrule. Anyway, that's irrelevant. So does anyoneelse agree with the "people" idea? —Alter  ^{{T C B H }} 04:21, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Hyrule is a country in a world that has a name of which is unknown. It is a single country. Think of it like this: the rest of our world isn't referred to as America.User:Mandi/sig 04:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

• sighs* I keep refering to an interveiw with Eiji, where he states that the coutry of Hyrule should not be confused with the world (as in globe) of Hyrule. ZU ran it a year or two back. Can't find it though, so it's moot. —Alter  ^{{T C B H }} 04:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure I'm fully understanding the people thing. There is already a category for People, and it refers to all speaking/se@�