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:Well, nobody else voiced an opinion so I went ahead and put in a system for IPA support [[Zelda Wiki:IPA|here]]. I've added pronunciations for the two examples above (here: [[Majora's Mask (Boss)]], [[Deku]]), and at the moment I've left a space between each syllable to make it easier to read. (Also L1nk, [[wikipedia:Majorca|Majorca]] isn't a country, it's part of Spain. You confused poor Ando! (and me at first ;P)) --[[User:Adam660@legacy41957735|Adam]] 09:31, 17 May 2008 (UTC) | :Well, nobody else voiced an opinion so I went ahead and put in a system for IPA support [[Zelda Wiki:IPA|here]]. I've added pronunciations for the two examples above (here: [[Majora's Mask (Boss)]], [[Deku]]), and at the moment I've left a space between each syllable to make it easier to read. (Also L1nk, [[wikipedia:Majorca|Majorca]] isn't a country, it's part of Spain. You confused poor Ando! (and me at first ;P)) --[[User:Adam660@legacy41957735|Adam]] 09:31, 17 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
::Have the word pronounced instead like this: [[Zelda Wiki:IPA|Pronounced]].--[[User: | ::Have the word pronounced instead like this: [[Zelda Wiki:IPA|Pronounced]].--[[User:Emma|Emma]] 09:35, 17 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
my friend thought it was pronounced doo-koo and i also used to think that{{Unsigned|Olallaboy|04:02, October 23, 2008 (UTC)}} | my friend thought it was pronounced doo-koo and i also used to think that{{Unsigned|Olallaboy|04:02, October 23, 2008 (UTC)}} | ||
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Technically, Prima guides are still official. Nintendo says "yup, you can make them" and gives them various press packages for art and stuff, and I assume that they have to pass it through Nintendo for approval first as well. They probably don't have to do any less than Nintendo Power. :/ NP was probably just going for something a little less vague sounding than "well it might have been navi but maybe it was skull kid they never actually say!!" After all, why would the English strategy guide makers know ''years after the game came out'' but nobody else? --[[User:Ando1400@legacy41958204|Ando]] 04:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | Technically, Prima guides are still official. Nintendo says "yup, you can make them" and gives them various press packages for art and stuff, and I assume that they have to pass it through Nintendo for approval first as well. They probably don't have to do any less than Nintendo Power. :/ NP was probably just going for something a little less vague sounding than "well it might have been navi but maybe it was skull kid they never actually say!!" After all, why would the English strategy guide makers know ''years after the game came out'' but nobody else? --[[User:Ando1400@legacy41958204|Ando]] 04:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Prima guides are licensed by Nintendo. Nintendo Power guides are ''made by Nintendo''. There's a big difference. Game developers are going to have much more pull on a Nintendo Power guide than a Prima one. Is is conclusive? No, not quite. It's really strong evidence however.--[[User: | :Prima guides are licensed by Nintendo. Nintendo Power guides are ''made by Nintendo''. There's a big difference. Game developers are going to have much more pull on a Nintendo Power guide than a Prima one. Is is conclusive? No, not quite. It's really strong evidence however.--[[User:Emma|Emma]] 04:57, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
And the years after the game came out thing is because it was a guide for when they took a Nes,Super Nes, and two N64 games and put them in a game cube game, then they made a guide with all four games in it. --[[User:Sibonsmagee|Sibonsmagee]] 6:54, 5 June 2008 (CST) | And the years after the game came out thing is because it was a guide for when they took a Nes,Super Nes, and two N64 games and put them in a game cube game, then they made a guide with all four games in it. --[[User:Sibonsmagee|Sibonsmagee]] 6:54, 5 June 2008 (CST) | ||
:Only a Nintendo guide was released for this collection. No Prima guide. Perhaps they wanted to clear up any confusion. If only they would do that on other issues as well.--[[User: | :Only a Nintendo guide was released for this collection. No Prima guide. Perhaps they wanted to clear up any confusion. If only they would do that on other issues as well.--[[User:Emma|Emma]] 14:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
::But you've gotta remember... we have absolutely no idea what goes into making a strategy guide. For all we know, the developers never look at a guide to confirm anything. Maybe they do? We don't know. But I've never trusted a strategy guide regardless of its maker to tell me factual information of that sort, but perhaps that's just me. --[[User:Ando1400@legacy41958204|Ando]] 15:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | ::But you've gotta remember... we have absolutely no idea what goes into making a strategy guide. For all we know, the developers never look at a guide to confirm anything. Maybe they do? We don't know. But I've never trusted a strategy guide regardless of its maker to tell me factual information of that sort, but perhaps that's just me. --[[User:Ando1400@legacy41958204|Ando]] 15:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
::<small>Also, what kind of '''[[Sheik|issues]]''' could you be '''[[Timeline|talking about]]'''? :P</small> | ::<small>Also, what kind of '''[[Sheik|issues]]''' could you be '''[[Timeline|talking about]]'''? :P</small> | ||
::Minor details here and there. Things that are theories now that could be cleared up. Nothing in particular.--[[User: | ::Minor details here and there. Things that are theories now that could be cleared up. Nothing in particular.--[[User:Emma|Emma]] 16:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
Oh. You, uh, clearly missed the joke. The joke... that... involved links. In my text. --[[User:Ando1400@legacy41958204|Ando]] 18:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | Oh. You, uh, clearly missed the joke. The joke... that... involved links. In my text. --[[User:Ando1400@legacy41958204|Ando]] 18:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
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Ok that issues thing was funny . -- [[User:sibonsmagee|sibonsmagee]] 17:26, 5 June 2008 | Ok that issues thing was funny . -- [[User:sibonsmagee|sibonsmagee]] 17:26, 5 June 2008 | ||
:I didn't miss the joke. It was among the main things I was thinking of. I'll also note that the official guide from Nintendo Power states that Link is looking for Navi. The exact words are on page four and are: "Months after parting ways with his fairy sidekick, Navi, in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Link sets off to search for his missing companion." A Nintendo Power guide is much closer to being canon then a Prima guide. It seems fairly conclusive.--[[User: | :I didn't miss the joke. It was among the main things I was thinking of. I'll also note that the official guide from Nintendo Power states that Link is looking for Navi. The exact words are on page four and are: "Months after parting ways with his fairy sidekick, Navi, in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Link sets off to search for his missing companion." A Nintendo Power guide is much closer to being canon then a Prima guide. It seems fairly conclusive.--[[User:Emma|Emma]] 05:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
::I'm not saying that Link isn't looking for Navi -- heck, I totally believe that he is. The problem is that it's never explicitly stated in the game itself. Guides shouldn't be taken as canon, regardless of how close to the source they are. And given that some fans still believe that Skull Kid is the missing friend, it should be noted as a ''possibility'' instead of solid fact. --[[User:Ando1400@legacy41958204|Ando]] 23:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC) | ::I'm not saying that Link isn't looking for Navi -- heck, I totally believe that he is. The problem is that it's never explicitly stated in the game itself. Guides shouldn't be taken as canon, regardless of how close to the source they are. And given that some fans still believe that Skull Kid is the missing friend, it should be noted as a ''possibility'' instead of solid fact. --[[User:Ando1400@legacy41958204|Ando]] 23:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
The guide says "from Nintendo Power" because Nintendo Power '''published it''', not wrote it. Nintendo Power is fully part of Nintendo of America, and it is not a separate entity. It was written by the Nintendo of America staff with assistance from Nintendo of Japan. It is not close to the source, it '''IS THE SOURCE'''. If we keep going in this direction of absolute canon is the only canon then this site will never accomplish anything at all. Look at Star Wars, there are about four levels of accepted canon with George Lucas being the highest. These Nintendo Power guides are no father from being official canon than Zelda.com is. So are you saying the all the names for well over two-thirds of our characters and enemies are no good just because they didn't come from the games? No, that's ridiculous. There is no difference in canonality from the Nintendo Power guides and Zelda.com. If Zelda.com is acceptable, then by logic, so is the Nintendo power guides. I would be surprised if the very same people worked on both. Hmmm? Did my head just explode?^_^--[[User: | The guide says "from Nintendo Power" because Nintendo Power '''published it''', not wrote it. Nintendo Power is fully part of Nintendo of America, and it is not a separate entity. It was written by the Nintendo of America staff with assistance from Nintendo of Japan. It is not close to the source, it '''IS THE SOURCE'''. If we keep going in this direction of absolute canon is the only canon then this site will never accomplish anything at all. Look at Star Wars, there are about four levels of accepted canon with George Lucas being the highest. These Nintendo Power guides are no father from being official canon than Zelda.com is. So are you saying the all the names for well over two-thirds of our characters and enemies are no good just because they didn't come from the games? No, that's ridiculous. There is no difference in canonality from the Nintendo Power guides and Zelda.com. If Zelda.com is acceptable, then by logic, so is the Nintendo power guides. I would be surprised if the very same people worked on both. Hmmm? Did my head just explode?^_^--[[User:Emma|Emma]] 00:42, 15 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Question: How do you have this knowledge of what goes into the creation of a strategy guide? And how do you know that NP isn't a separate entity from NoA? I'm not saying that you're stupid or wrong or anything, I'm honestly asking. --[[User:Ando1400@legacy41958204|Ando]] 01:03, 15 June 2008 (UTC) | :Question: How do you have this knowledge of what goes into the creation of a strategy guide? And how do you know that NP isn't a separate entity from NoA? I'm not saying that you're stupid or wrong or anything, I'm honestly asking. --[[User:Ando1400@legacy41958204|Ando]] 01:03, 15 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
::For one thing, the guides have published by Nintendo of America Inc written inside. And Nintendo does that through Nintendo Power. Nintendo Power's online presence is fully integrated into Nintendo.com. I can put two and two together. It doesn't take that much effort to figure out.--[[User: | ::For one thing, the guides have published by Nintendo of America Inc written inside. And Nintendo does that through Nintendo Power. Nintendo Power's online presence is fully integrated into Nintendo.com. I can put two and two together. It doesn't take that much effort to figure out.--[[User:Emma|Emma]] 01:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
But again, does that mean that NoA fully fact-checks every last bit of the guides, or does NP do that? And even then, how do we know that NoA ''knows for a fact'' that Link was searching for Navi? For all we know it could have been something just assumed or lost in translation. What I'm trying to say is that we really can't know for sure. The best possible source would obviously be Aonuma himself, but... it's not like I have his phone number. :P --[[User:Ando1400@legacy41958204|Ando]] 03:01, 15 June 2008 (UTC) | But again, does that mean that NoA fully fact-checks every last bit of the guides, or does NP do that? And even then, how do we know that NoA ''knows for a fact'' that Link was searching for Navi? For all we know it could have been something just assumed or lost in translation. What I'm trying to say is that we really can't know for sure. The best possible source would obviously be Aonuma himself, but... it's not like I have his phone number. :P --[[User:Ando1400@legacy41958204|Ando]] 03:01, 15 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
:What I am trying to say is that Nintendo will definite check out its own work. If you write something yourself, do you just send it out without going over it, checking it? Of course you don't. No one in there right mind would publish something they made themselves without checking it first. Their ego is on the line. We can be assured because of their pride. It's human nature. But if someone else makes it, they could care less about its quality. Its really pretty simple.--[[User: | :What I am trying to say is that Nintendo will definite check out its own work. If you write something yourself, do you just send it out without going over it, checking it? Of course you don't. No one in there right mind would publish something they made themselves without checking it first. Their ego is on the line. We can be assured because of their pride. It's human nature. But if someone else makes it, they could care less about its quality. Its really pretty simple.--[[User:Emma|Emma]] 03:24, 15 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
::And before you say it. Little errors will always leak through. They run on a tight schedule remember.--[[User: | ::And before you say it. Little errors will always leak through. They run on a tight schedule remember.--[[User:Emma|Emma]] 03:25, 15 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
Just out of curiosity, did you two argue over any thing eles before i came here?--[[User:Sibonsmagee|Sibonsmagee]] 22:53, 15 June 2008 (UTC) | Just out of curiosity, did you two argue over any thing eles before i came here?--[[User:Sibonsmagee|Sibonsmagee]] 22:53, 15 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
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:@Sibons: Um... you mean, like, before you joined, or what? --[[User:Ando1400@legacy41958204|Ando]] 02:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC) | :@Sibons: Um... you mean, like, before you joined, or what? --[[User:Ando1400@legacy41958204|Ando]] 02:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
::When I said "little errors will always leak through", I meant that '''little errors will always leak through in everything, everywhere'''. Not just guides. So it all balances out.--[[User: | ::When I said "little errors will always leak through", I meant that '''little errors will always leak through in everything, everywhere'''. Not just guides. So it all balances out.--[[User:Emma|Emma]] 03:48, 16 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
well pretty much after i joined i made a change on this document so, yeah --[[User:Sibonsmagee|Sibonsmagee]] 16:24, 16 June 2008 (UTC) | well pretty much after i joined i made a change on this document so, yeah --[[User:Sibonsmagee|Sibonsmagee]] 16:24, 16 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
