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Page Idea
I know there's already a page for Zelda mythology here, but might it be worthwhile to put in a page for the real-life mythological allusions within the Zelda series? I did a similar project for Zelda Answers last year (which you can check out here if you'd like), so I'd have at least some material to put together what I think could be a workable page, and I'm sure other people could contribute to flesh it out. Does this sound worthwhile? Setras (talk) 02:03, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- Im just going to be blunt: that article isn't very good. The article is a poorly organized mixture of historical insprirations and literary tools, sparcely dotted with actual real world mythology, with many assumptions and speculation. Zelda being a damsel in distress is not a mythological reference; damsels in distress are a common MacGuffin. The creation of Hyrule is an origin story? Never would have guessed. Making any article remotely similar to that on Zelda Wiki would not meet quality standards. Maybe you could make such a page on your user page, but not an article. Champion of Nayru (talk) 07:38, 3 November 2013 (UTC)Champion of Nayru
- Well, I wasn't just going to copy the blog verbatim. I did it for a mythology class I had last year, so obviously some tweaking would be in order- it was just to illustrate what I had in mind. And actually yes, Zelda being a damsel in distress is a mythological archetype, hence my including it. The bulk of what would go into this hypothetical new article would be from the Allusions section anyway, and with other users contributing to it, it could be easily fleshed out (and in the event that it's not, then it could be deleted and thought of no more). Setras (talk) 13:07, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- There isn't a lot of point differentiating between mythological and mundane inspirations. Modern culture in general is heavily influenced by mythology, due to mythologies' inherant influence on their culture. Zelda being a damsel in distress is not a mythological reference, but a literary one. Damsels in distress are very common in fiction. Saying its a mythological reference is like saying that Ganondorf being evil is a reference.
- If you're still set on making an article, do as such on a forum or on your user page. If it is acceptable, we can post it as an article. If not either abandon or fix it. If it looks anything like the article you posted, it will be rejected. Champion of Nayru (talk) 21:53, 3 November 2013 (UTC)Champion of Nayru
- There isn't a lot of point differentiating between mythological and mundane inspirations. Modern culture in general is heavily influenced by mythology, due to mythologies' inherant influence on their culture. Zelda being a damsel in distress is not a mythological reference, but a literary one. Damsels in distress are very common in fiction. Saying its a mythological reference is like saying that Ganondorf being evil is a reference.
- Well, I wasn't just going to copy the blog verbatim. I did it for a mythology class I had last year, so obviously some tweaking would be in order- it was just to illustrate what I had in mind. And actually yes, Zelda being a damsel in distress is a mythological archetype, hence my including it. The bulk of what would go into this hypothetical new article would be from the Allusions section anyway, and with other users contributing to it, it could be easily fleshed out (and in the event that it's not, then it could be deleted and thought of no more). Setras (talk) 13:07, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- I think the subject has great potential as a wiki article in some form. There's no denying certain specific mythological references in the series: the ferry in the Shadow Temple and the river Styx, the Ancient Cistern and the Spider's Thread. These references are already noted on the respective pages. Many users might be interested in an article that synthesizes all such trivia.
- The topic does rather encourage speculation, though. I'm afraid the article might end up being more opinionated than would be appropriate for a mainspace article.
- I'm thinking this would reach its fullest potential as a WikiExclusive. That would give you more breathing room to make some more creative/speculative connections. — Hylian King [*] 01:03, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- I did consider that, but I kind of wanted it to be open-ended, so anyone could put it suggestions. Though, I suppose the Talk page would work for that. Setras (talk) 01:37, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- I get that. The problem I see with it is, it would be an invitation to make comparisons that are speculative or otherwise unsuitable for the mainspace.
- As a WikiExclusive, that headache would be avoided. If you would like it to be open-ended, I'm sure that could be arranged. — Hylian King [*] 02:40, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- I did consider that, but I kind of wanted it to be open-ended, so anyone could put it suggestions. Though, I suppose the Talk page would work for that. Setras (talk) 01:37, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
When are we gonna start adding content about the new A link between words?
The new Zelda seems to be a Gold this year, What have you heard about this video game? Template:Nosig Template:OT Off topic, but yes of course we are working to add content to A Link Between Worlds pages. Champion of Nayru (talk) 07:32, 22 November 2013 (UTC) Champion of Nayru
Tracking the Curse?
I was wondering, since it is confirmed that an "incarnation of my [Demise] hatred will haunt those with the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero", that it might be worthwhile to create a page to keep track of these incarnations. Demise is fairly easy to track, but I wonder whether it would be unreasonable to track Ghirahim as well. --TrueMasterSword (talk) 13:28, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you mean exactly, as the curse basically means Ganon, and Hyrule Historia pretty much implies that's almost all it means. Demise represents evil, and Demon King Ganon is the incarnation of that. There really isn't much else to track. I suppose Malladus might count? But that's not confirmed. User:Fizzle/sig 15:06, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
The thing that's bothering me is that Demise's Curse says it will haunt EVERY incarnation of Link and Zelda. Ganondorf or Ganon only cover some games. Also, I note that Ganon always appears with a powerful, magical undeling. I was just wondering if Ghirahim could be part of the Curse. --TrueMasterSword (talk) 15:32, 9 December 2013 (UTC)