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:Zelda Wiki already has a long-established pronunciation guide page: [[Zelda Wiki:Pronunciation Guide]]. For each vowel, it lists some example words containing that vowel, and this is in general agreement across the major accents. Determining which vowels are used in each word is a matter of comparing them to the basic sounds. In "Naboris," the first vowel "a" is a schwa like in the word <small>COMM<u>A</u></small>, the second vowel "or" is a <small>FORCE</small> vowel, and the third vowel "i" is a ''schwi'' (a weak vowel in free variation between the <small>COMM<u>A</u></small> and <small>KIT</small> vowels). And it's easy to describe these vowels in words here, because I'm drawing on [[w:lexical set|lexical set]]s, a method invented decades ago by English linguist John C. Wells to easily associate English vowels with English words as they differ across the major accents, so that if I say "Zelda" has the <small>DRESS</small> and <small>COMM<u>A</u></small> vowels, or that "Hyrule" has the <small>PRICE</small> and <small>GOOSE</small> vowels, it's fairly clear what I mean no matter ''our'' individual accents. And these distinct vowel phonemes have fairly standard international IPA transcriptions, as also used on sites like Wikipedia. There's no reason for Zelda Wiki to not also use these kinds of well-established conventions. | :Zelda Wiki already has a long-established pronunciation guide page: [[Zelda Wiki:Pronunciation Guide]]. For each vowel, it lists some example words containing that vowel, and this is in general agreement across the major accents. Determining which vowels are used in each word is a matter of comparing them to the basic sounds. In "Naboris," the first vowel "a" is a schwa like in the word <small>COMM<u>A</u></small>, the second vowel "or" is a <small>FORCE</small> vowel, and the third vowel "i" is a ''schwi'' (a weak vowel in free variation between the <small>COMM<u>A</u></small> and <small>KIT</small> vowels). And it's easy to describe these vowels in words here, because I'm drawing on [[w:lexical set|lexical set]]s, a method invented decades ago by English linguist John C. Wells to easily associate English vowels with English words as they differ across the major accents, so that if I say "Zelda" has the <small>DRESS</small> and <small>COMM<u>A</u></small> vowels, or that "Hyrule" has the <small>PRICE</small> and <small>GOOSE</small> vowels, it's fairly clear what I mean no matter ''our'' individual accents. And these distinct vowel phonemes have fairly standard international IPA transcriptions, as also used on sites like Wikipedia. There's no reason for Zelda Wiki to not also use these kinds of well-established conventions. | ||
:As for pronunciations that have since disappeared on the wiki (like "Volvagia"), they have been removed because they are unsourced, often reflecting fanon at best. Zelda Wiki no longer describes pronunciations that cannot be attributed to official referenceable sources, whether it be game voice acting or official interview/comment videos. - [[User:Dermotmacflann|Dermotmacflann]] ([[User talk:Dermotmacflann|talk]]) 23:28, 24 May 2017 (UTC) | :As for pronunciations that have since disappeared on the wiki (like "Volvagia"), they have been removed because they are unsourced, often reflecting fanon at best. Zelda Wiki no longer describes pronunciations that cannot be attributed to official referenceable sources, whether it be game voice acting or official interview/comment videos. - [[User:Dermotmacflann|Dermotmacflann]] ([[User talk:Dermotmacflann|talk]]) 23:28, 24 May 2017 (UTC) | ||
Oh, thank you! See, this is what I've been asking for forever now, and no one apparently knows of its existence except you. Haha. It's be nice if this was easier to find... Anyway, about the lexical sets... They seem like a very nice idea, however, I'm not sure how accurate they are. For example, <small>CLOTH</small> and <small>THOUGHT</small> (as well as 'taut' and 'hawk') are said to be pronounced with the O as /ɔ/ in GenAm, but most Americans would pronounce it with /ɑ/. I think maybe a few places like New York City and Philadelphia might pronounce them that way. I know they seem to pronounce the word 'on' as /ɔn/ instead of /ɑn/ like the majority of the US. So altho you say "it's fairly clear what I mean no matter our individual accents", it's really NOT to most people (325 million in the US versus 62 million in the UK). Most English speakers who see "AW" are going to think it's pronounced /ɑː/, not /ɔː/. Now, that might not be a problem sometimes (so long as they don't know IPA), it can cause problems with words like origin, which -according to the lexical set list on Wikipedia- says 'origin' is pronounced the same way as 'cough' and 'long'. But that's not the case at all. You could write 'cawf' and 'lawng' and the pronunciation wouldn't change, but 'awrigin' wouldn't work since most people in the US say 'origin' with an OR (ɔr) sound as apposed to an AW (ɑ) sound. [[User:Schwarzorn|Schwarzorn]] ([[User talk:Schwarzorn|talk]]) 23:24, 31 May 2017 (UTC) | |||
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