Talk:Uura Tribe

Source

Is there a way that this can be sourced? The Legend of Zelda: Mystical Seed of Courage‎ seems like it should do the trick, but I'm unsure how to go about doing that. —Alter  ^{{T C B H }} 23:03, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Subrosian?

If I go googling for a bit, then the following facts come up on the Uura Tribe:

1. They were supposed to be in either Triforce of Power or Triforce of Courage, but regardless of that, the story described along is the one of Oracle of Seasons.
2. They live in a volcano.
3. They are smiths.
4. They do not accept Rupees as currency.

With the exception of point 3 perhaps, it's a dead match with the Subrosians. So, thoughts on how to redo this article? IfIHaveTo 16:34, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Nice find, but they are smiths. Some of them anyway, they had a furnace and give you a shield upgrade. I have no objections to a section comparing/contrasting the two. Axiomist (talk) 17:14, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, so with a little bit of searching around online I figured out "Uura" is just the original Japanese name for what we know as the Subrosians. I suggest making this a redirect. IfIHaveTo 08:17, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

This page is for what they were intended to be. They undoubtedly changed when they were moved to a different game. You shouldn't completely remove a page before discussing it. The information should have at least been placed on the Subrosian page.—Alter  ^{{T C B H }} 00:33, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Dude, read the above description of the Uura Tribe. Read the Subrosian page to see what their Japanese name is. Search around the internet for information on the Uura Tribe and you will find it appears only in context of OOS's story (even if said to be the story to TOC). Subrosian is just a localization name for a concept that never changed. This article has no source whatsoever to it, especially not the claim the Yamatami tribe is the reinvention of the Uura tribe. IfIHaveTo 07:43, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Calm down a second. First off, they were probably very different races. It is likely that they would have just kept the same name. Also, there will be a source or two that I'll add soon. The problem that I have is that you took the liberty to "erase" several pages without any sort of discussion. Believe me- I looked into this topic at least as much as you did before I wrote the pages. I think that they should stay. All it is is an interesting concept that Zelda fans will appreciate. If you would be willing to add in some info about how it translates into Subrosian, it would be appreciated. When I created this page, I had a hard time figuring out how to add it ion, and decided to figure it out later. —Alter  ^{{T C B H }} 18:53, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

If you don't know how to put in the sources for your claim, you can already store them here for me to see, because currently I have no clue how you came to this conclusion and, admittedly, am bothered by this page's claims I can only find evidence against. Furthermore, I only erased this *one* page after nobody reacted on the topic - knowing it could easily be restored if it was *proven* I was wrong in my research. Uura does not translate to Subrosian. It's a localization difference: NoA/E chose to call them Subrosians instead of taking the (translated) Japanese name, which happened with various other parts in the games as well ("Rolling Ridge" is "Goron *something*" in the Japanese version, and the Tokay are the Tokagejin). This practice is not uncommon.

And please help me on this, what source do you have to insist the Subrosians/Uura were supposed to be very different once? IfIHaveTo 19:19, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Look, I completely understand about the name issue/localization/translation and such. I simply had a hard time figuring out how to word it for the article. I never sauid that they were "very different". What I'm saying is that this race was intended to be in MSOC, and when they were moved to OoS, there is little doubt that there were probably some changes. Does it assume this in the article? No. Only a few pages even link here. I've been working on compiling information for some time. This page is a work-in-progress.

And FYI, I've been with Zelda Wiki for quite some time... I think I can probably handle creating a decent page with sources. I have dozens of pages about this topic bookmarked *somewhere*. I just simply have a life, and do not have the time to dig them up at the moment. Now please leave this page as it is -unless you care to add more information- until I can complete it. I think that most other members here will agree that this page is worthy, at least when it is completed. —Alter  ^{{T C B H }} 22:00, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Well I researched nothing so go ahead and give me a facts spill. I have high respects for the two of you and expect this to be worked out civilly. From what I read so far it seems like this info would be best used to expand the Subrosian article. The name "Uura Tribe" isn't going to be common knowledge among ZW readers; which would place the page in a black hole of pages that have nearly no links to it, and continue to remain obscure knowledge. Axiomist (talk) 22:15, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Facts spill from IfIHaveTo

• Localization name evidence: Japanese wiki on Oracle of Seasons, its Google translation (only to be used for a rough understanding), Kana generator - enter "Uura" and use the katakana result to search the Japanese wiki page and possibly google in general to notice the consistent use of it for the creatures we know as Subrosians. Simpler might be this guide on Gamefaqs - the author has a healthy sense of sarcasm. Also, I am not sure if that's the source of the name or if it counts, but one of the translations of "ura" (with one 'u') is "undersurface".
• Game context evidence: Check our on page on MSOC, doesn't that story sound familiar?, there is this, but I figure it's too late to counter the argument of change... okay, give me a bit more time to retrace the rest of my sources. 1 august - 5 august aren't in my history list (likely because my laptop was acting up around that time) and I'm not sure what search terms I all used. IfIHaveTo 06:49, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll add some stuff in a little bit. I don't have a problem with them being merged. I have a problem with information being removed without any prior discussion. I think that a merge would probably be the best thing at this moment, but I was planning on adding some more content to this page in the near future. Also, let's not forget that there was absolutely no information on MSOC before I came here... —Alter  ^{{T C B H }} 17:52, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Merge Uura and Subrosian

Subrosian is the localized name for Uura. Leaving them split is like having a page for Tingle and another one for Chinkle. Jeangabin 09:11, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

Yeah, if no one objects, I'm going to merge/delete this. It's been a year since the last discussion, and no proof or source has ever been added that the Uura could possibly not be the Subrosians (and for the record, Uura = Ūra, just differently romanized). Seriously, if the localization team would have sucked at their job and just kept the Ūra the Ūra in the western versions, we wouldn't even have had this discussion. IfIHaveTo 15:24, 11 September 2010 (EDT)