Talk:Skull Kid

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Few Issues with the OoT Skull Kid Article.

First, the Skull Kid transformation can't be compared to Stalchildren because it's already been established that Stalchildren are cursed soldiers. Although, this is what I also thought I think the evidence is against it. Two, the 3DS version changes it from kids to Kokiri, I'll grab the quote but don't have any text dumps at the moment. This might help the confusion.. --Smighty 09:49, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

I propose we remove this entire "there is speculation" nonsense entirely. Speculation has no place in a Zelda Wiki article. Dekler (talk) 01:26, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

I agree. This article references theories and speculation far more than appropriate. Tag it with Cleanup template? I'm not really in the mood to make such extensive changes to an article. Champion of Nayru (talk) 01:46, 8 November 2013 (UTC)Champion of Nayru

Separate the character Skull Kid from the species Skull Kid.

I suggest we split the article on the Skull Kid CHARACTER that appears in Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, and Twilight Princess off from this article, leaving this one to detail the race as a whole. Skull Kid the character is a major antagonist/protagonist in Majora's Mask, and also appears in Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess. I'd say three different games as appearances is enough to warrant a separate article, especially for such a significant character to the Child Timeline. --I'm just a plain ol' Goron...Darth Nightmaricus (talk) 21:27, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

My sandbox is an idea of what I think the page should look like, actually. --I'm just a plain ol' Goron...Darth Nightmaricus (talk) 22:01, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I think the page is ready to be split. --I'm just a plain ol' Goron...Darth Nightmaricus (talk) 00:02, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Move complete. --I'm just a plain ol' Goron...Darth Nightmaricus (talk) 00:17, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

To be frank, I don't see how this is much of an improvement. :/ The two pages have a lot of overlap and I feel having the information spread over two pages like that is more confusing to readers than anything.

Next time, could you please wait to see what others think about something before going ahead with it? You didn't give anyone the chance to have a say first and that's pretty important. It's a bummer if you spend time making a big change then find out the other editors don't like it and it ends up being undone. (Not saying that will necessarily be the case here, but it very well might be if the consensus is against the split). — Hylian King ^[*] 02:06, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

The only time Skull Kid has ever been more of a race than a character was in OoT. Personally I think that's just enough for one section, as every other appearance of Skull Kid has just been one, which even then, there's no telling whether the one in TP is the same one from OoT/MM. It just makes more sense all of them sharing an article. I have to agree though. To make a split, especially for a big and somewhat popular page, there would have to be a census before any effort is made. I also really think that the next time you want to propose a split or merge, that you suggest it before you go ahead with the sandbox. It would save a lot of time. - Midoro ^{(T C)} 02:12, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

I'll add that splitting may not be a bad idea, but I don't think this is the way to go about it. If anything, I think having an article specifically about Skull Kid in MM would be more suitable. It's justifiable by the fact that his role in MM is much larger than other games (and, consequently, the MM section is disproportionately big). Even though it's technically the same person as one of the Skull Kids in OoT (and possibly TP), that doesn't necessarily mean they have to be covered on the same page.

But that's another can of worms, I suppose. — Hylian King ^[*] 02:17, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

My apologies for splitting it without getting the A-OK. I just feel that considering that the Skull Kid from MM is basically a pretty major antagonist for most of the game, it deserves its own article. He IS rather significant to the Child Timeline, considering he's interacted with two out of the three Links in that timeline, if it is the same Skull Kid in TP as it is in OoT/MM, which odds are it is. --I'm just a plain ol' Goron...Darth Nightmaricus (talk) 02:24, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

I still think if we're going to split the article, the new one should be only about Majora's Mask, for the reasons I mentioned. It's not really a question of what "deserves" an article based on in-game facts. What matters is that we present our information in a way that's clear and makes sense to our readers.

In any case, please hold off on changing any links until we come to a group decision. — Hylian King ^[*] 02:36, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

For things like this, especially articles of important characters, feedback is absolutely crucial. Also, it's a good idea to give it about a week before acting, as that gives people time to respond. (Silence is not consent.)

I feel like this was a hasty decision and needs to be reverted and assessed before we go forward. As mentioned before, there is a lot of overlap, and that defeats the point of having two pages. This isn't the first time this has been attempted, and it was agreed that the pages should stay unified in that instance. User:Pakkun/sig 04:24, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

I believe we can definitely benefit from a split -- the TP and OoT appearances are basically anonymous generics, representative of the species, and can be safely covered here, while the MM Skull Kid is a strikingly individual character. I think the overlap can be fixed by removing the TP section from the Character page, and then toning down the OoT section to much briefer summaries of the Skull Kids that are met, maybe like a single sentence saying that the Skull Kid first met Link in the Lost Woods and did one of three sidequests with him. The non-canon appearances should be on the Character page only, as they are clearly cameos of the MM Skull Kid. Once that's done, the only overlap we have is that the OoT section from the tribe page will have a quick summary on the Character page, and the MM section from the character page will have a quick summary on the tribe page.KrytenKoro (talk) 14:34, 27 April 2015 (UTC)