Talk:Master Sword

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Twilight Realm Light upgrade

If you wait long enough while fighting Puppet Zelda, Midna tells you that power of the Sols will allow the Master Sword to reflect the energy balls. I think you have to be using the Ordon Sword for this to occur. --MaskedKitsune 15:43, 8 January 2012 (EST)

I checked the info you were referring to, and while I cannot vouch for whether or not Midna actually mentions this, it is stated in the article that the Sols are not a requirement for the Master Sword to reflect the energy Ganondorf, through Zelda, fires at you because Link was able to do this in earlier games, as in Ocarina of Time, with both the Master Sword and the Biggoron's Sword. In fact, Twilight Princess implies that the Sols have no impact on the Master Sword outside the Twilight Realm. Thus, in the battle to which you are referring, which takes place in the Light Realm, it is as though Link had never been to the Twilight Realm. I will need to check whether she actually says that. If she does, it is an error. Kyro-Dizzy 23:52, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

Re-arrange Appearances section by timelines as well?

Given the recent minor reorganization that Her Grace did to the History section of this article, I tried to keep the History section as brief as possible, otherwise it would repeat too much information from the Appearances section below. However, given that recently the Royal Family of Hyrule article and the Link article have been organized by timelines, should the appearances section be arranged by timelines as well? The History section could stay as is, giving a brief summary of the Master Sword during the Unified Timeline while leaving the heavy stuff in the Appearances section, which could be organized by timeline. What do you guys think? --Dany36 14:58, 13 January 2012 (EST)

The Master Sword is only used once in each of the timeline splits, right? This is of course not counting its insignificant appearance in OoX. I think you can easily fit it in by just stating its appearance for each timeline. It would be better to put the OoT section before the splits, though, as the split does not happen until the sword has been used. Noble Wrot 15:08, 13 January 2012 (EST)

Master Sword forged by first incarnation of Link?

I remember reading on the Link article that the Link appearing in Skyward Sword is the second incarnation of Link, with the first being referred to as the Chosen Hero by Zelda or something along those lines, while this article states that it was the first incarnation of Link who forged the Master Sword. Should we leave this page as it is, or go ahead and say that the Link appearing in Skyward Sword is the Hero's first incarnation, therefore we edit the Link article and state the above? TriForce64 22:12, 15 March 2012 (EDT)

Changed to the second incarnation, since that seems more accurate. User:Abdullah/sig 05:23, 16 March 2012 (EDT)

(SPOLIER) It's likely that the hero that Zelda is referring to is SS Link (via time travel). He did receive the Sail Cloth from the Goddess after all. Plus, Demise states that he's never seen a human stand up to him until SS Link did.

But you must remember, though SS Link was in the past, there was no record of his presence there because he hadn't been in the past yet. Otherwise, The Imprisoned would not have existed in the present. In addition, Zelda mentions that Hylia had given her chosen hero a Sailcloth. Link was not given another Sailcloth during his visits to the past.

It is quite difficult to explain the workings of time, because our information of timelines as it is presented in literature and the like varies greatly. Sometimes, there is nothing left to give us a sign that time has been changed. Other times, there are many inconsistencies in the present that are a result of the changing of history. The latter manifested in Skyward Sword particularly through Zelda's actions, such as the amber crystal at the back of the Sealed Temple and the bracelet she had given to Impa, both of which may be seen at any time in the game that you are able to visit the temple. Kyro-Dizzy 23:16, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

This is true. So... should we post this as a theory on the Link page? TriForce64 18:53, 21 March 2012 (EDT)TriForce64

Trivia

Can I get a source on the last part listed, where it says "At the end of Skyward Sword, because of the time travel involved, the Goddess Sword and Master Sword exist simultaneously. The Master Sword is within the Sealed Temple while the Goddess Sword is up in Skyloft"? Kyro-Dizzy 23:53, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

I think it refers to the point after Demise's defeat and before their return to the present. Zeldafan1982 16:16, 13 August 2012 (EDT)

Ah. Then it means that it is after Link has driven the sword into its pedestal, but between then and the actual point in time BEFORE Link began his journey, yes? I had not taken that into consideration. Thank you for pointing that out. Kyro-Dizzy 14:26, 14 August 2012 (EDT)

"Theory"

is not actually a theory, as it is explicitly stated within the games. It should be readded to the article, we have no reason to doubt it unless it has been explicitly retconned as false.KrytenKoro 19:57, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

The thing is that, although according to TP the MS was created by the Sages, the quote from SS mentions only Hylia. Given that SS is newer and retcons have happened in the series before, I don't think it can be considered a fact anymore. Zeldafan1982 22:46, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

It's still not a theory, it's something the game presented as fact at one time. It should be presented in the lead as something like "although it is also claimed in TP that the Sages were involved in its creation".KrytenKoro 22:56, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

No, but seriously, sages have been the backstory since ALttP (and OoT, and TWW, and TP); SS is the only game to give a different backstory. Although it's the only one to actually depict the events (and is most recent), implying it's a retcon, the sage-backstory should be treated as just that - a possibly retconned explanation that is still completely canon. Can I move this back to the lead, please?KrytenKoro 15:49, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Sages may have been depicted in these games, but only Zelda in TP says that they were those who created it. Basically, the theory concerns the sages' marks in the Sealed Temple; that their presence there indicates the sages were involved in its creation is an interpretation, which it is.. inspired of course from Zelda's quote in TP.

If the MS was created during the events of SS (some believe that the MS was only reforged, based on some quotes) then the quote from TP is clearly retconned. It is mentioned in the discrepancies section. But even if the MS was originally created before SS, then there is still Zelda's quote from SS, so personally I have some trouble to take it as canon. Zeldafan1982 17:05, 8 July 2013 (UTC)