User talk:Ixbran

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Edit summaries

Howdy, Ixbran! I just wanted to address this edit you made recently, because your edit summary was rather confrontational. Here at Zelda Wiki, we prefer for users to work out disagreements amongst themselves without involving everyone else. In the future, if you don't agree with what someone is doing, please try to be more professional when you bring this up. Don't "call someone out" in the edit summary; rather, make your edit and state your brief reasoning in a polite manner in the edit summary, and then contact the user directly on his or her talk page to elaborate on why you made the edit. Again, we don't tolerate confrontational behavior, and we like to prevent fighting before it starts. You are expected to treat all fellow editors with respect, regardless of what they are doing. Please keep this in mind as you edit the wiki.User:Justin/sig 10:22, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I just find it irritating when people go around deleting and changing things simply because they want things their way. When I posted those videos i was only trying to help, and when I was told videos 'weren't allowed' on character galleries, i let it go. However when i noticed a video was posted in Zant's gallery, i figured perhaps they were wrong. So I put them back on the pretense that since videos were allowed in zants gallery, they could go in others. Then not only did they go and remove the videos from the other pages, but also from zants gallery, despite it being there for who knows how long. And even then, they never provided a proper explanation as to WHY it isn't allowed. They simply said it wasn't allowed, and went into no further details. Maybe I wouldn't have to resort to calling them names, if they just explained the situation too me. I can't stand control freaks like that, who think they can go in and change things and boss people around just because they hold some form of seniority over others. That is is both a form of power abuse and bullying, something I can not, and will not, stand for. If I see someone acting like a bully or an ass hole, I WILL call them out on it!
Ixbran (talk) 11:30, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Please keep discussions on the same page as it says right above the edit field surrounded by a bright, yellow notice.

Keep in mind our editing etiquette when acting on the wiki, particularly the section about assuming good faith. The proper action in the first place would have been to ask about why there was this inconsistency instead of assuming that you could roll with it, so to speak. You also assumed that Chuck was acting as a bully, so you decided to take a more hostile response. This behavior is not acceptable and I would ask you to please refrain from doing so and instead opt for a more mild manner. Hostility will get you nowhere, at least nowhere worth being.

I for one feel that we shouldn't have videos on character gallery pages. They're largely irrelevant in my opinion. User:Pakkun/sig 12:45, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Well considering that Hyrule Warriors isnt the typical Zelda style game, its obvious the standard edit procedure wouldn't apply too it. Koei is known for releasing game play videos for their newest games, and its likely more are going to show up, link is obviously going to get two more since its confirmed from the E3 demo hes going to have at least four move sets. And Aonuma has even gone on record saying that there were somewhere around 52 playstyles. So I figured getting the videos posted on the respective character page galleries would be better than having 52+ videos on the games main page.

Regarding the assuming good faith stuff, i'm sorry but its kind of hard for me to do that given my life's experiences. Dealing with bullies my entire life, its hard for me to assume anyone is a good person unless they show it to me. My first reaction towards people who do things without an explanation is bullying, sorry hun just how i grew up, i'm not going to change my way of thinking over night just for it to be convenient for you. I will try, but considering I've delt with bullying and elitism within the Zelda fan base before, don't expect me to be anything but on edge while working here.

I'm only here to provide help regarding Hyrule Warriors, and once all the necessary pages are made and the info posted, I wont be here much anymore. The Zelda fan base is, based on my own personal experience, worse than the Final Fantasy fan base and anime fan base's in general. It's sad since Zelda is what got me into gaming, but really I want nothing to do with any of you. I'm just here to help with Hyrule Warriors, and that's that. I'm familiar with Koei's Warriors titles, and am most active on the Koei Wiki, So I'm just here to make sure y'all don't just ignore this title like most Zelda Elitists are trying to do.
Ixbran (talk) 20:56, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I'll be frank and say that I'm generally against using videos on the wiki because it lags my computer, so 52 videos divided among the character galleries sounds like a nightmare. The gallery pages are already data-heavy by featuring so many images, so videos only serve to increase that work load. What I feel would be a better (more effective) alternative is to describe these play styles on the relevant character pages and then simply cite the video as a reference so that people can still find it without it being taxing. In truth, I believe that this will supersede the presence of videos on the gallery pages regardless.

I'm very sorry for your life experiences and I can definitely understand where you're coming from with it, but speaking from experience I find that being able to respond to things rationally and in a collected manner is an amazing ability to learn. Doing so wouldn't only benefit those around you, but yourself as well.

I'd also like to assert that we're a wiki for all things Zelda. Hyrule Warriors isn't remotely in jeopardy because of a few elitists and it certainly wouldn't be ignored. In any case, no fandom is perfect so there's bound to be undesirable attitudes throughout it. We're grateful that you're here to help, but please do not fall prey to the illusion that we're here to bully anyone or act as elitists. User:Pakkun/sig 22:22, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Well considering character videos is something Koei does for their games, I figured y'all might want them. Since I'm sure most here arent used too the idea of a Zelda action game. As for move set descriptions, those are best to wait till the game is out. though question, what are your intents on character move sets descriptions and button inputs? Will you be making separate Pages for the Hylian Sword, Magic Rod, Rapier, and Giant Blade specifically for their Hyrule Warriors appearances? I figure that might best since it wouldn't take up space on character pages. Not to mention there is going to be weapon synthesizing and using rupees to enhance weapons stats according to what we've been told. And with characters confirmed to have multiple move sets, that means some characters will have multiple move set related pages for this game

And you'd be surprised, some times i have found certain wikis not gathering info on certain games in a franchise simply because the majority of editors simply don't care for the title in question. I came here with the intention, and honestly the expectation, of being the only one working on the Hyrule warriors page simply because, based on the hate from zelda elitists, the page was going to be left abandoned with hardly any info. That combined with the fact that Dynasty Warriors tends to get a lot of hate from most gamers, I came into this wiki expecting hate and abuse from everyone. Hence my reactions too the one guy deleting the videos, it's what I was expecting to happen.

Again I will try to trust the judgement of the contributors on this wiki, but it is going to be very difficult.
Ixbran (talk) 02:53, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Citing claims

Hey, Ixbran. Fellow editors have been concerned that you've been making a lot of edits with unsourced claims. While they're likely true, could you please start citing these? It makes Zelda Wiki look more professional and adds to our credibility, in addition to dispelling any suspicions towards the information.
For example, you report that the Wind Waker is known as the "Tactitioner's Baton", but I myself am highly skeptical towards this and I think it might be a mistranslation (at most, I've found it referred to as "Takuto", which is just "baton"). Could you link me to exactly where you found that information so I may confirm it? User:Pakkun/sig 22:14, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

A fellow wiki contributor from the Koei Wiki, who is fluent in japanese, claims the weapon is simply called the Tact. However, as you said, others are stating its just Baton. Hes a friend of mine, and because of how fluent he is in japanese (hes helped the koei wiki by providing info on japanese only games that we would otherwise be unable to provide), I feel his words are worth trusting. but at the same time, hes been known to simplify translations to keep info on the koei wiki simple and to the point. I figure that beacuse of this, its possible the weapon is called the Tacticians Baton, since hes known for simplifying translations, he went with the shortest name for the Koei Wiki, while Other sites are likely using Baton since its easier to asiciate the word with the wind waker. I also figured that it would be a good middle ground to go with so people wont get confused when some sites call it baton, while others might go the simpler rout like my friend, and call it the tact. Though I consider it a place holder, since once her english trailer for that weapon is out, were most likely gonna change it to that regardless of its japanese name. Im sorry if Ive caused any problems.
Ixbran (talk) 00:42, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Well the problem with "Tact" is that "Takuto" is the Japanese word for baton, not anything related to tactitians (iirc it comes from a German loan word, but don't quote me on that). The Wind Waker itself is called "Kaze no Takuto, or the "baton of wind". Since everything seems to be pointing to it still being named the Wind Waker, I'm going to change the instances of "Tactitian's Baton" to the proper name. User:Pakkun/sig 00:55, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

alright hun, again sorry if i caused any problems.
Ixbran (talk) 04:11, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

HW Images

Thanks for all your work with those!KrytenKoro (talk) 16:48, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. They are actually a lot of fun to make. though waiting in the games gallery mode for them to make a decent pose to render is somewhat time consuming. Oh god like, Impas TP recolor costume took me almost 20 minutes to catch, BOTH of Agitha's recolor costumes took possibly an hours worth of time combined. you got to wait for the right animation to happen, which plays randomly. And you need to recognize the animations early parts so you'll know when to press the home button so you can pause the game and take a screen shot. Trust me, this is a rough labor of love some times, lol.
Ixbran (talk) 02:29, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm a bit late to the party but I also gotta say awesome work on all those HW outfit images! The transparency is on spot and I can only imagine how long it must take to do all that image work... So thanks again for helping out, and keep up the great work! Happy editing! :) --Dany36 (talk) 02:17, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much, I appreciate it. I use basic tools, the Rectangular Marquee Tool and the Polygon Laso Tool. A lot of them have very sharp edges, like the tips of Cia's staff, so the RMT is needed to keep those straight sharp lines. while the PLT is good for smoothed edges like clothing or hair. It's a simple, yet effective/time-consuming, way of doing it. but knowing that my work is appreciated, that makes the process worth it.
Ixbran (talk) 03:17, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Do you think it would be possible to get the Dark and Wizzro costumes for the characters, or would that not be possible until the models can be ripped directly? Also, can you get the remaining Cia costumes, and Link's Goron and Zora Tunics?KrytenKoro (talk) 17:13, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

I am planning on doing the goron and zora tunics, Ive unlocked the Zora tunic, but the goron one is taking time since I need to unlock all the Gold Skulltula Puzzles in order to get it. As for the the Dark and Wizzro disguises, I cant view those in the games gallery mode. Those would have to be taken from screen shots during battle. As for Cia's hats, eh, I could try, I wasn't planning on it. I made those renders mainly for the Koei wiki, then cross posted them here after uploading them there. The Admin of the Koei wiki is very strict when it comes to character renders, and normally re-color costumes are flat out deleted since its just a re-color of a pre-existing outfit. However since they are DLC, that gives them an automatic pass. Cia's hat/mask/hatless versions of the outfits are still the same outfit, so they'd just be deleted, so I never bothered to make them. But, if I have some free time after i get the goron and zora tunic done, ill see if i can get decent renders of them up on this wiki. Though they will likely just be the same renders I currently have of them, with the hat and masks variations. I'm not going to diversify them since it would be rather pointless.
Ixbran (talk) 01:24, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

And done, go here and here. Hope these are up to wiki standards.
Ixbran (talk) 09:52, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Any chance you could improve the Trainee Tunic, too?KrytenKoro (talk) 15:23, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't look like it's scanning very well, could you do it from the in-game gallery?KrytenKoro (talk) 19:56, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Personally I'd rather go with an official render rather than make one from the gallery. There is only so much I can do for render pose veriety with the weapons he has. I'd rather we stick with links Trainee render, and try to find a higher quality scan of it.
Ixbran (talk) 22:38, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

If I may add my thoughts, I personally prefer the gallery image as it's much higher quality. An official render would be great of course, but if a good quality shot of it just isn't possible, then I'd rather have an image of it that is more higher quality than what the current revision has now. -The Goron Moron (talk) 04:41, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Images for Deletion

Hey, when tagging an image you wish to delete, please try to use the imdel template instead of the delete one. This way you can specify the reason why the image should be deleted, specially when deleting an image that has been superseded. Chuck (talk) 05:15, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Maybe it might be easier if you didn't move images either, Ixbran, seeing as only admins can move images without leaving redirects. We outta make a move w/o redirect request template or something. I should get someone on that. Until then, please leave messages in the edit summaries saying that the image needs to be renamed and to what name so I or someone else can move them without creating extra work (deleting unused redirects), and so we can edit any pages easily if any of them link to the old name. User:WilliamLC/sig 04:59, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Alrighty. I managed to get all the recolor costumes for Hyrule Warriors up, and after learning you wanted to have specific names for the files, I figured while uploading the new ones with the proper names, I would move the older ones I uploaded. I figured since I'd have to go to the respective characters galleries, I would move the other files as well. I thought it would make things easier for you guys, I apologize if what I did was any form of inconvenience.
Ixbran (talk) 05:17, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

HW MQ Recolor Impa

It's not brown. It's the same shade of maroon as the recolor, and she even has pink hair to lead into the pink hair ornaments.KrytenKoro (talk) 01:37, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I am going to say this in the most polite way possible: You're wrong.

Look at these images side by side, and tell me, whic does it look most like

• Oracles Impa Hair is not seen, wears a golden head band that has a pink habit coming from it. Red dress, teal patterning, with golden triforce. Wears teal colored sandals.

  Oracles Impa
  Hair is not seen, wears a golden head band that has a pink habit coming from it.
  Red dress, teal patterning, with golden triforce. Wears teal colored sandals.

• HW Recolor Impa White hair, pink hair ties Red recolor, teal feathers, golden triangles on her pant legs, teal leather binding on her shin and foot armor.

  HW Recolor Impa
  White hair, pink hair ties
  Red recolor, teal feathers, golden triangles on her pant legs, teal leather binding on her shin and foot armor.

• ALBW Impa Purple Hair, Gold ringlets, green hat with yellow hemming. Brown Dress, yellow muffler, red belt, green sash, white triforce marking on green sash.

  ALBW Impa
  Purple Hair, Gold ringlets, green hat with yellow hemming.
  Brown Dress, yellow muffler, red belt, green sash, white triforce marking on green sash.

If you can look at these images side by side, and still tell me that the recolor is still an ALBW recolor, I am going to politely say you need your eyes checked. Or at the very least check the color settings on your computer screen.
Ixbran (talk) 01:46, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Ixbran, there is no need to respond that way. Tone it down please. Now to add my insight - it's just Impa in red. It's nothing more than that. Yes the costume does bear resemblance to OoX and ALBW Impa, and maybe Koei Tecmo did have that in mind, but seeing as HW Impa barely resembles either one, then it's all just subjective. The recolor is neither OoX Impa or ALBW Impa, it is a Master Quest Standard Outfit, and what is what it should ultimately be called on this wiki. - Midoro ^{(T C)} 02:04, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Ditto for what Goron Moron said. I've always said that we should avoid subjective things like this, and this constant series of arguments just proves that no consensus can be reached. User:Pakkun/sig 02:34, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

File:HW Impa MQ Recolor Debate.png

For the sake of my own personal sanity, I made this image to help with the issue. By loading the following images into photoshop, and using the squeegee tool, I was able to get the hex code for the base colors of each art work. From there I put the color hex codes into this website, which is designed to identify color names by hex codes. We clearly see that the Orcile series color costume is a series of crimsons, opal/turquoise, and light orchid grey.

the HW recolor is a series of reds and aquamarines, yellows, olives, and citrines.

the ALBW colors are nothing compared to this. Oranges, scarlets, the cap is actually artic blue, not a shade of green at all. and again i bring up the fact that the ALBW impa has magenta hair with gamboge ringlets, while the HW impa recolor features yellowish grey hair and citrine hair bands.

I'm all for saying the recolor represents nothing, over it representing ALBW. Because the colors between the recolor and the ALBW costumes dont match up, not even on a Hex Code scale.
Ixbran (talk) 02:59, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

For what it's worth, there's nothing preventing it from being a design based on all of Oracle, ALBW, and Skyward Sword old Impa. They clearly all share design elements, just as you couldn't really nail down "which" Link the HW design is based on, and the Master Quest outfit is clearly derived from that pool of designs. As far as ALBW goes, the actual in-game model is much redder, and it's plain that it's derived from the Oracle design. The reason I leaned towards ALBW in my draft is because the ALBW design is closer to the young warrior/old crone dynamic that Impa has throughout most of the series, including HW's version which is clearly based on the Skyward Sword Impa, in both form and personality.

Given the differences in graphical capabilities throughout the games, I really don't see the point in quibbling over exact color codes, and instead prefer to focus on general aesthetic. If that's not satisfactory, Koei Tecmo has a twitter I believe, and that would be much more productive than getting into edit wars every time someone disagrees with you over which specific version of a character was used as a basis for the costume.KrytenKoro (talk) 03:10, 20 February 2015 (UTC)