Talk:Hylia

Left handed Hylia

[[1]] at 19:34, you can clearly see that she is lefthanded. Can you change it back, please? --Link, the Hero of Light 13:06, 1 February 2012 (EST)

That would contradict the images we have in the article (such as the one shown in the introduction), so really, we can't tell for sure. She might have been ambidextrous or something. :P --Dany36 13:16, 1 February 2012 (EST)

Yes, your right, it might be xD. But maybe we should add it at Trivia, that the pictures of her shows her both right- and left hand? --Link, the Hero of Light 13:19, 1 February 2012 (EST)

Lorulean Counterpart?

There's obviously not a whole lot of outright information in support of this, but might it nonetheless be worth mentioning that Hylia may have had a Lorulean counterpart? In Hyrule, of course, the Royal Family was descended from Hylia, and given that Hilda shares so many characteristics with Zelda- including magical abilities- it would make sense that she too had a divine heritage. Setras (talk) 05:12, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

They also have a Triforce, and we've been told in the past that Termina was created by the Goddesses too (erg...), so it's more likely she's just in both universes.KrytenKoro (talk) 17:44, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

But Lorule, canonically speaking, isn't Termina (and I've never heard anything canon that says the goddesses made the latter anyway), and regardless, we don't know precisely how its creation occurred- hypothetically, the Golden Goddesses could have Lorulean equivalents, too. More to the point, Hylia can only exist in one universe- the one containing Hyrule- because the Zelda of SS is Hylia. So unless SS Zelda could move between the worlds at will, and had an affair in Lorule that eventually spawned the Lorulean Royal Family while simultaneously founding what would become the Hyrulean one- an unlikely sequence of events, to say the least- she can't be related to the former. Unless I misunderstood you and you meant that there was one Hylia in each universe... but wouldn't this ultimately come to the same thing as having a counterpart? Not to mention be kind of aesthetically unpleasing, given that the other Lorulean counterparts shown aren't exact replicas of the Hyruleans? Setras (talk) 18:41, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Nope. She's a goddess, so there's (1) no reason to expect that she is limited to one dimension, especially given that her creation, the Master Sword, is able to see through and navigate time, and one of her descendants, OoT Zelda, is able to split the timeline; and (2) no reason to expect that Hilda is a descendant of Hylia or any hypothetical counterpart.

Basically, there is nothing in the game suggesting or requiring that Hylia has a counterpart, so any claim that one is implied would be equivalent to claiming that Termina or Lorule must have an equivalent of the Helmaroc or Midna.KrytenKoro (talk) 21:03, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Moving through time, in and of itself, is not the same thing as multiversal travel. In OoT, for example, the Master Sword does move with Link, but that's because he's basically moving through a wormhole with a point of origin in the Unified timeline, and a terminal point in the Adult timeline. Drawing the Master Sword opens the wormhole at its point of origin, while replacing it opens the wormhole at its terminal point. The Master Sword at both ends of the wormhole is the same object, physically moving to and from the past and future. At the end of OoT, however, Zelda sends Link back in time, past the wormhole's point of origin, and in the process leaves the Master Sword behind. In this instance, the Master Sword cannot, and does not, move through time- the Master Swords on each end are parallel counterparts, not the same object.

Meanwhile, Zelda splitting the timeline would've simply been a result of her utilizing "curved" time, a dimension of time that exists outside of linear time. Her power as a Sage, combined with the power of the Ocarina, would've been enough to remove him from the Adult timeline, and move him through curved time to before the aforementioned wormhole's point of origin.

Lorule, while it is parallel to Hyrule, is not a part of the timeline split, and so unlike the three parallel Hyrules, which are separated by curved time, Lorule is separated from Hyrule by a fourth spacial dimension. From there, we have the fact that every major figure in Hyrule is shown to have a counterpart. We know nothing of Hilda's bloodline, but if we were to trace it back far enough, the Lorulean Royal Family would need to have a founder. And given that Hilda displays magical power, just as the Hyrulean Royal Famiky does, it would therefore be logical- hypothetical, but logical, nonetheless- to assume that both Royal Families were founded by goddesses- Hylia for the Hyrulean, and "Lylia" for the Lorulean. Setras (talk) 21:51, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

My main point is that, if you look at the split timelines, technically we have three separate Triforces -- and yet no implication of multiple sets of Golden Goddesses, since they created the universes and laws of time that split in the first place. Hylia manifested in Hyrule, which is canon, but even supposing that she also manifested in Lorule, there's no reason to require an explicitly divine being, shown to have the power to warp time and space and splinter timelines, to have distinct counterparts in each universe she manifests in.

Nearly everything you just said was completely of your own invention, and purely speculation. My point, again, is that there is no actual evidence to base your assertion on -- you're fully in fanfic territory here, way past the realm of fan theories.

On point, though, is this claim: "From there, we have the fact that every major figure in Hyrule is shown to have a counterpart."

And that's simply not true. Beyond the fact that it's never indicated that the Lorule Triforce represents different goddesses, we have the huge blinking light of the Sages -- the game in fact explicitly states that there aren't Lorulian counterparts for them, not even just as normal, non-chosen people (ex. Gulley).

Are there counterparts at all? Shonuff. Is it strictly 1:1? Absolutely not, and explicitly so. Is there any reason to believe or require that deities who explicitly have power over time and space would be beholden to any counterpart rule that does exist? 100% no, there's no indication of that in the game. Fan theories should be attempts to explain questions not answered in the series, not outright fanfiction with the vague handwave of "it's not explicitly said to be false, even if the evidence is against it."KrytenKoro (talk) 23:23, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Why is mentioning a Lorulian equivalent of Hylia different from any other Zelda character? Why not mention that a Lorulian doppelgänger of Vaati or the Poe Merchant might exist as well? We don't because that would flood the articles with useless fanon. There is no evidence that there are doppelgangers of everyone in Lorule (or to be technical, whether or not there are any doppelgangers at all, as we only see a couple people that look like people from Hyrule). The fact that Lorule clearly has a different history than Hyrule makes it possible that a "Lolia" never even existed. But that is speculating, and is exactly what we don't need on our articles. Champion of Nayru (talk) 23:31, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

^^Just two things: first off, the points I brought up weren't of my own invention, or at least the mechanics behind them weren't- things like curved time, wormholes, and higher dimensions are actual principles of quantum mechanics and theoretical physics, with real-life basis, and Nintendo already made use of similar principles with the Downfall timeline (which is an example of the "many worlds" mechanism in action). Also, yes, the timeline split would not create another set of goddesses, because all three universes created from the split have a common origin (which happens to be with said goddesses). Lorule, however, is an entirely different universe altogether that was created separately from the timeline split, so it could, and probably does, have entirely different creator(s). Other than that, point taken I suppose. Setras (talk) 00:29, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

That they apply at all to Zelda is your invention, is what I meant. Unless previously specified in the story, it's already a pretty weak claim to say that real-world anything applies to Zelda.KrytenKoro (talk) 03:48, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Hylia/Hylian

Color me confused. The sources, especially the Japanese versions (ハイリア人, "Hylia-jin" lit. "Hylia-people/the Hylia" ), are pretty clear that "the Hylia" is the name of the tribe, equivalent to "Sheikah", "Gerudo", "Goron", etc. We also have Lake Hylia. Shouldn't the Goddess coverage be at "Hylia (Goddess)", the tribe at "Hylia (Tribe)", and both have disambigs to Lake Hylia?KrytenKoro (talk) 14:40, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Should we add it to the trivia?

In Hyrule Historia (in page 74), it mentions that Hylia's dress was the same white dress that Zelda wore (and the harp too)? What do you guys, say? --Isamisa (talk) 22:31, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Just to be clear, this comment has little to do with the article's content or canon, as what I'm writing here are opinions outside the purview of Zelda Wiki article editing. However, I've thought a great deal about these things, and thought I could share them.

It is clear from Breath of the Wild's voice acting that /ˈhaɪ.li.ə/ HY-lee-ə is the decisive pronunciation of the name in English, and this also extends to Hylian /ˈhaɪ.li.ən/ HY-lee-ən. And while Hyrule, Hylia and the Hylians are all fictional creations, I have long pronounced Hyrule as /ˈhaɪˌruːl/ HY-rewl while simultaneously pronouncing Hylia as /ˈhiː.li.ə/ HEE-lee-ə. Why? A quirk in the development of English words called trisyllabic laxing.

Back in Middle English, there was a tendency for words which were stressed on the third-to-last syllable (or further back) to have their stressed vowel laxed (made short). This created inconsistencies in pronunciation like phile /ˈfaɪl/ FYL vs. philia /ˈfiː.li.ə/ FEE-lee-ə (or /ˈfɪl.i.ə/ FILL-ee-ə), and finite /ˈfaɪ.naɪt/ FY-nyt vs. infinity /ɨnˈfɪn.ɨt.i/ in-FIN-it-ee, and private /ˈpraɪ.vɨt/ PRY-vit vs. privacy /ˈprɪv.əs.i/ PRIV-əs-ee (British pronunciation), and Tyre /ˈtaɪər/ TYR vs. Tyrian /ˈtɪr.i.ən/ TIRR-ee-ən. This is no longer strictly productive in Modern English, especially after the Great Vowel Shift made it so short and long versions of the same vowel now sound very different from each other, but the process is still sporadically productive by analogy of other words that have gone through this change, perpetuating that frustrating tendency in English for vowels in long words to be pronounced either short or long without much help from the spelling. So, naturally, by analogy, I pronounce the y in Hyrule long, but the y in Hylia short. (Or at least short-ish, since I say Hylia to rhyme with philia, and the first i in philia was more recently re-tensed from /ɪ/ IH to /iː/ EE for some speakers, including the way I speak.) So, Hyrule is "high rule", but Hylia is "Healy-uh."

Furthermore, how are Hyrule and Hylia pronounced in French and Spanish localizations of Breath of the Wild? If going by spelling alone, a French reader would pronounce Hyrule /iʁyl/, and Hylia /ilja/. While Hyrule obviously resembles English "high rule" and a bilingual reader might recognize this, it's not so clear with Hylia which looks like it could have some obscure Greek origin. I would suggest that Hylia and its derivations could have all sorts of legitimate alternative pronunciations, in whatever language.

But the Zelda universe may render all this moot, because with the Hylian language understood to be the evolving, non-English creature it is, it's not necessarily a given that any of the games' characters actually say "Hyrule", "Hylia" or indeed "Zelda", "Link" or "Ganon" the way they are said in English (or Japanese, or French, or whatever localized language)—remember Fi's Madi Madas for "Master Link"? This point is especially driven home in The Wind Waker, where a few characters speak in an archaic Hylian dialect that the Hero of Winds cannot understand at all, as he speaks the contemporary form of the language spoken in the Great Sea islands, not the old language spoken in Hyrule of the Hero of Time's era. All names in the Zelda series could indeed just be stand-ins of whatever their names really are in whatever language the characters are speaking, so Zelda, Link and Ganon might as well be Alice, Bob and Charlie or any other names.

I've enjoyed writing this essay. - Dermotmacflann (talk) 07:46, 13 April 2017 (UTC)