Talk:Ancient Hero

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Hyrule Historia says (on page 118) that the Hero's Spirit lamented the fact that he was not remembered as a hero, therefore the ancient hero is not the Hero's Spirit/OoT Link. We don't know which Link the ancient hero is. Zeldafan1982 (talk) 20:28, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Page 118 of HH explicitly says that it is the Hero of Time who "lamented the fact that he was not remembered as a hero". Page 103 of Encyclopedia also affirms that it's the Hero of Time that is named the Hero's Spirit and that he did not "share his heroics with the world". Everything was correct prior to the recent edits to the page. TriforceTony (talk) 21:36, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

I think I see what you're referring to. Give me a bit to read through some resources. TriforceTony (talk) 21:45, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm very sorry for the confusion here. I only just noticed the initial issue, which is that "ancient hero" doesn't fit Terminology conditions, so it's not even something that deserves a page or mention. However, I'm certain that it's correct in that the "ancient hero" that the characters in Twilight Princess are referring to is specifically the Hero of Time. I think we're splitting hairs here but being a hero and being remembered as a hero are different things. Everything from Ocarina of Time Link's history from (at the latest) around the time he went to Jabu-Jabu was rewritten, so all of his acts of heroism from that point onwards only happened for him. He lives in a timeline where none of that took place, and by having prevented Ganondorf's assault on Hyrule Castle, there wasn't an enemy to fight that would have him be remembered in the first place other than the solitary accomplishment of preventing Ganondorf from betraying the Kingdom and laying his hands on the Triforce.

The green tunic that is your garb
once belonged to the ancient hero
chosen by the gods...

— Faron

To understand why this line refers to the Hero of Time specifically I have to point out that the child timeline is founded upon a stable paradox. No other hero before the Hero of Time is "chosen by the gods" (Skyward Sword Link is Hylia's chosen hero, but that's not the same thing and they're very careful with their wording in that game to distinguish that as a separate matter) because this refers to the moment that Ganondorf touched the Triforce and it split apart. When this happened, the Golden Goddesses made the choice for who would inherit the remaining two pieces of the Triforce (E, p.13). This is the only incident where multiple gods chose Link for any given destiny and while the initial event technically no longer happens in the child timeline, he "was in possession of" the Triforce of Courage and thus the incomplete Triforce when he traveled back in time, this split the Triforce in that timeline as well. Though the initial act of Link being chosen no longer happens, it technically still happens regardless, which is why the Light Spirits refer to him euphemistically as the hero chosen by the gods. By being in possession of the impartial Triforce, he is one of the three chosen wielders of it. As no divine choices like this are made for the heroes in The Minish Cap or Four Swords and "Hylia's chosen hero" is a separate concept (also representing a choice made by only one deity), it only refers to the Hero of Time. TriforceTony (talk) 22:32, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't think that the goddesses decide at the point where the split of the Triforce occurs, which person will take a Triforce piece. If that was the case then, in the Child Timeline, they decided that Ganondorf should take the Triforce of Power.

The "chosen by the gods" refers to Link being the one chosen to fight the villain(s), regardless of whether he has the Triforce of Courage of not. Encyclopedia on page 18 says that Link is chosen by the goddesses to fight evil.

In Twilight Princess, if by "ancient hero" the people refer to the Link from Ocarina of Time, then why the Hero's Spirit thinks (according to Hyrule Historia) that he was not remembered as a hero? Zeldafan1982 (talk) 23:36, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Might be worth looking at the specific Japanese line that the shade uses, which I can take a whack at if someone can provide it. As far as the reference to the ancient hero, are we quite certain that's referring to a specific Link at all, and not just the ancient, enduring spirit of the hero?

I'd also like the "green tunic" line about the ancient hero, if I could -- OoT wouldn't be considered ancient relative to TP, it's like a generation, maybe two at most. I'd like to confirm that the Japanese text uses "ancient" rather than something more restrained, like "old".{{SUBST:KrytenKoroSig}} 15:57, 10 March 2022 (UTC)