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== Numerals ==
== Numerals ==


Could we agree that the ''Gerudo Numeral System'' is pretty much like the [[wikipedia:Maya numerals|mayan]]? {{:User:NorskTW/sig}} 14:54, 19 March 2012 (EDT)
Could we agree that the ''Gerudo Numeral System'' is pretty much like the [[wikipedia:Maya numerals|mayan]]? {{:User:NorskTW@legacy41965012/sig}} 14:54, 19 March 2012 (EDT)


:Maybe, but it's hard to know for sure when we only know two numbers. {{:User:Hylian King/sig}} 08:25, 22 March 2012 (EDT)
:Maybe, but it's hard to know for sure when we only know two numbers. {{:User:Hylian King/sig}} 08:25, 22 March 2012 (EDT)
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== Gerudo Language? ==
== Gerudo Language? ==


So, shouldn't this be '''Gerudo Language'''? At least in ''Breath of the Wild'', Gerudo seem to have their own language as well as script. Or at least a greeting? A Gerudo ([[Calisa]]) near the [[Gerudo Canyon Stable]] greets with a "Sav'aaq". I assume that's Gerudo? Haven't actually seen more yet, tho. — [[User:Zero-ELEC|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC|talk]]) 19:36, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
So, shouldn't this be '''Gerudo Language'''? At least in {{BotW|-}}, Gerudo seem to have their own language as well as script. Or at least a greeting? A Gerudo ([[Calisa]]) near the [[Gerudo Canyon Stable]] greets with a "Sav'aaq". I assume that's Gerudo? Haven't actually seen more yet, tho. — [[User:Zero-ELEC|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC|talk]]) 19:36, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 
Definitely it's own language, I think. Heading deeper into the Gerudo region, have encountered "Sav'saaba" (another greeting?) and "voe" (man, obvs) — [[User:Zero-ELEC|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC|talk]]) 20:13, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 
:Yes, the Gerudo have their own language. I would like to see every bit that we can find of it listed on the wiki, however this is not the page for it. Typography is specifically text, not the language. That being said, both language and typography 'could' be rolled into one page. <span style="color:green">~[[User:D0xis|D0xis of the V0id]]~</span> <sub>([[User talk:D0xis|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/d0xis|C]])</sub> 20:56, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 
::Here's what I have so far (from up to the outpost):
 
::{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
!width=150px|Phrase
!width=190px|Meaning
|-
| Sa'vaaq
| Greeting (Afternoon)<br />Good afternoon
|-
| Sav'saaba
| Greeting (Evening)<br />Good evening
|-
| Sav'otta
| Greeting (Morning)<br />Good morning
|-
| Voe
| Man
|-
| Vai
| Woman
|-
| Sarqso
| Thanks
|-
| Vasaaq
| Welcome
|-
| Sac'orq
| Goodbye
|-
| Vaba
| Mother
|-
|}
::I'm sure there's more. Oh, and the reason I said this should be language, rather than script is that we have Sheikah Script as [[Sheikah (Language)]] even though we only know of writing. I thought it prudent to have this also be language, given that this has both spoken and writing. But I digress.&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Zero-ELEC|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC|talk]]) 04:37, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 
:::Ya know what, I think you're right. Every other language on here has been converted to say 'Language' so this one should too. I'm going to add this table for now so we can add to it as needed. If anyone has a better idea for how to list them, go right ahead.
:::<span style="color:green">~[[User:D0xis|D0xis of the V0id]]~</span> <sub>([[User talk:D0xis|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/d0xis|C]])</sub> 18:04, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 
I made a [[User:Zero-ELEC/Sandbox|tiny mock-up]] (plus general clean-up) of what the page would be like if it's moved. I'd even be willing to move it myself and fix redirects and stuff. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Zero-ELEC|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC|talk]]) 09:23, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
:I have to agree with moving it. Though I do have to ask: do we actually know that Vaba means Mother? It makes sense in the context we hear it, but it could also be grandmother or aunt or cousin or anything like that.[[User:ReignTG|ReignTG]] ([[User talk:ReignTG|talk]]) 13:47, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::No, we don't know for sure. It could olso be grandmother, which is why on the actual page it's listed as "seemingly some sort of relative." I would like to know for sure, but I'm still going to see it as 'mother.' As for the move, The Gerudo Language page already redirects here, so there's no reason NOT to move it. ~[[User:D0xis?profile=no|D0xis of the V0id]]~<sub>([[User talk:D0xis|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/d0xis|C]])</sub> 14:39, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
:::Yeah, It's not necessarily mother, that was just my assumption. Unfortunately, this can't be moved normal users, since the Gerudo Language redirect already exists. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:ZeroELEC|ZeroELEC]] ([[User talk:ZeroELEC|talk]]) 16:32, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 
::::Okay so this is a bit of a delayed response, but I'll weigh in my thoughts.
::::Language and script are not the same thing. While a script can be used to translate a language into a written form, the two are wholly distinct things that are not interchangeable. Consider how the Latin alphabet is shared across many different languages. I have no issue with there being a Gerudo Language page, but it should be kept separate from Gerudo Typography.
::::As for "Sheikah Language", the page really should be moved to Sheikah Script. [[User:Midoro|Midoro]] ([[User talk:Midoro|talk]]) 02:31, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
 
The reason I suggested moving this to Language was to match the [[Hylian Language]] articles which technically deal with both spoken and written word, but it would be completely fine to separate script and language here. Should I draft up a Gerudo Language page? &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:ZeroELEC|ZeroELEC]] ([[User talk:ZeroELEC|talk]]) 18:39, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 
So, should this be moved? Or should spoken language be separated from script? Or what? &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:ZeroELEC|ZeroELEC]] ([[User talk:ZeroELEC|talk]]) 04:38, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
: Personally, I'm absolutely pro moving the content of the article to '''Gerudo Language'''. Unless the Wiki tends to usually create small articles for every individual subject, I personally prefer a main article that deals with different sub-topics. And script can be easily included within an article on a language. By the way, the title "Typography" may be awkward (wrong, even) anyway: "Typography" usually refers to design aspects of a written language (e.g., how to design text or how to make fonts readable, etc.) - if this fits at all, it implies a more real world perspective than the article actually conveys. The article's topic would be more correctly referred to as "Script" or "Written language", IMHO. -- [[User:Tadayou-gpuser|Tadayou]] ([[User talk:Tadayou-gpuser|talk]]) 09:55, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 
:I decided that a certain kind of voltfruit-tea MIGHT exist but entirely within my headcanon.
:It's called, Savo'Cha. Combination of "Sabōten" (cactus) and "cha" (tea). It's like oolong tea mixed with dried cactus fruit.
:Not canonical, but I like to provide world-building. [[User:GaymerSapph|GaymerSapph]] ([[User talk:GaymerSapph|talk]]) 20:53, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
:also: do you think the Gerudo would refer to the Royal Court as the Vira (Bira or Villa), or a different synonym for Palace, Given that many countries do this in real life? [[User:GaymerSapph|GaymerSapph]] ([[User talk:GaymerSapph|talk]]) 20:59, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
 
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== Ganon's Castle Appearance ==
 
The first paragraph in this article mentions that some Gerudo Typography appears in "a stairway in Ganon's Castle in Ocarina of Time 3D." I'd like to potentially translate this text and add it to the Gerudo Typography Translations page but I am unable to find the text within the game. The information seems to have been added October 2015. Can anyone confirm or deny the existence of this text? - [[User:Nerdyarchimedes|Nerdyarchimedes]] ([[User talk:Nerdyarchimedes|talk]]) 05:30, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 
:It's in the stairway right before you face Ganondorf. [[User:TriforceTony|TriforceTony]] ([[User talk:TriforceTony|talk]]) 14:51, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 23:09, 26 December 2023

Could someone post a translation of gerudo characters into english please?

Echo of Courage 09:59, 21 January 2012 (EST)

Oh, thanks. Echo of Courage 11:20, 1 February 2012 (EST)

Numerals

Could we agree that the Gerudo Numeral System is pretty much like the mayan? --Norrvegr (talk | contribs) 14:54, 19 March 2012 (EDT)

Maybe, but it's hard to know for sure when we only know two numbers. — Hylian King [*] 08:25, 22 March 2012 (EDT)

Skyward Sword Appearances

Does anyone know where any instances of the Gerudo alphabet appear in Skyward Sword? Linebeck IV 22:39, 23 December 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Gerudo Language?

So, shouldn't this be Gerudo Language? At least in Breath of the Wild, Gerudo seem to have their own language as well as script. Or at least a greeting? A Gerudo (Calisa) near the Gerudo Canyon Stable greets with a "Sav'aaq". I assume that's Gerudo? Haven't actually seen more yet, tho. — Zero-ELEC (talk) 19:36, 6 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Definitely it's own language, I think. Heading deeper into the Gerudo region, have encountered "Sav'saaba" (another greeting?) and "voe" (man, obvs) — Zero-ELEC (talk) 20:13, 6 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, the Gerudo have their own language. I would like to see every bit that we can find of it listed on the wiki, however this is not the page for it. Typography is specifically text, not the language. That being said, both language and typography 'could' be rolled into one page. ~D0xis of the V0id~ (T|C) 20:56, 6 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Here's what I have so far (from up to the outpost):
Phrase Meaning
Sa'vaaq Greeting (Afternoon)
Good afternoon
Sav'saaba Greeting (Evening)
Good evening
Sav'otta Greeting (Morning)
Good morning
Voe Man
Vai Woman
Sarqso Thanks
Vasaaq Welcome
Sac'orq Goodbye
Vaba Mother
I'm sure there's more. Oh, and the reason I said this should be language, rather than script is that we have Sheikah Script as Sheikah (Language) even though we only know of writing. I thought it prudent to have this also be language, given that this has both spoken and writing. But I digress.— Zero-ELEC (talk) 04:37, 7 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ya know what, I think you're right. Every other language on here has been converted to say 'Language' so this one should too. I'm going to add this table for now so we can add to it as needed. If anyone has a better idea for how to list them, go right ahead.
~D0xis of the V0id~ (T|C) 18:04, 7 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I made a tiny mock-up (plus general clean-up) of what the page would be like if it's moved. I'd even be willing to move it myself and fix redirects and stuff. — Zero-ELEC (talk) 09:23, 8 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have to agree with moving it. Though I do have to ask: do we actually know that Vaba means Mother? It makes sense in the context we hear it, but it could also be grandmother or aunt or cousin or anything like that.ReignTG (talk) 13:47, 9 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, we don't know for sure. It could olso be grandmother, which is why on the actual page it's listed as "seemingly some sort of relative." I would like to know for sure, but I'm still going to see it as 'mother.' As for the move, The Gerudo Language page already redirects here, so there's no reason NOT to move it. ~D0xis of the V0id~(T|C) 14:39, 9 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah, It's not necessarily mother, that was just my assumption. Unfortunately, this can't be moved normal users, since the Gerudo Language redirect already exists. — ZeroELEC (talk) 16:32, 9 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay so this is a bit of a delayed response, but I'll weigh in my thoughts.
Language and script are not the same thing. While a script can be used to translate a language into a written form, the two are wholly distinct things that are not interchangeable. Consider how the Latin alphabet is shared across many different languages. I have no issue with there being a Gerudo Language page, but it should be kept separate from Gerudo Typography.
As for "Sheikah Language", the page really should be moved to Sheikah Script. Midoro (talk) 02:31, 20 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The reason I suggested moving this to Language was to match the Hylian Language articles which technically deal with both spoken and written word, but it would be completely fine to separate script and language here. Should I draft up a Gerudo Language page? — ZeroELEC (talk) 18:39, 22 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

So, should this be moved? Or should spoken language be separated from script? Or what? — ZeroELEC (talk) 04:38, 11 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Personally, I'm absolutely pro moving the content of the article to Gerudo Language. Unless the Wiki tends to usually create small articles for every individual subject, I personally prefer a main article that deals with different sub-topics. And script can be easily included within an article on a language. By the way, the title "Typography" may be awkward (wrong, even) anyway: "Typography" usually refers to design aspects of a written language (e.g., how to design text or how to make fonts readable, etc.) - if this fits at all, it implies a more real world perspective than the article actually conveys. The article's topic would be more correctly referred to as "Script" or "Written language", IMHO. -- Tadayou (talk) 09:55, 11 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I decided that a certain kind of voltfruit-tea MIGHT exist but entirely within my headcanon.
It's called, Savo'Cha. Combination of "Sabōten" (cactus) and "cha" (tea). It's like oolong tea mixed with dried cactus fruit.
Not canonical, but I like to provide world-building. GaymerSapph (talk) 20:53, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
also: do you think the Gerudo would refer to the Royal Court as the Vira (Bira or Villa), or a different synonym for Palace, Given that many countries do this in real life? GaymerSapph (talk) 20:59, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Ganon's Castle Appearance

The first paragraph in this article mentions that some Gerudo Typography appears in "a stairway in Ganon's Castle in Ocarina of Time 3D." I'd like to potentially translate this text and add it to the Gerudo Typography Translations page but I am unable to find the text within the game. The information seems to have been added October 2015. Can anyone confirm or deny the existence of this text? - Nerdyarchimedes (talk) 05:30, 31 October 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's in the stairway right before you face Ganondorf. TriforceTony (talk) 14:51, 31 October 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]