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Facts of interest

Hi I was reading through your trivia section and just thought I'd correct you on something. The Magical Sword isn't mandatory. You can beat the game without it and with only three hearts (I've done it). In fact even the wooden sword is mandatory up until you have to fight Ganon. A Link to the Past, Link's Awakening, Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures are the only games where you can't do a three heart challenge. The reason being for the two non four swords games is because the quest item (Pendants of Virture/Crystal/Instruments of Sirens) do not appear until after you pick up the heart container. O yeah and in your dungeon count of 45 you say your listing them from four games but mention six. As a last note tacking direct roots in Ocarina of Time it'd probably be quicker to finish the Spirit Temple before the Shadow since Gerudo Fortress is right outside the front door of Lake Hylia. Don Lark Kiin 07:38, 30 April 2011 (EDT)

I hadn't played LA, FS or FSA, so I wasn't aware of those requirements. And I had the impression that the Magical Sword was required (I remember reading that several years ago in Zeldapedia ... so it turned out to be a lie, huh?); but thanks for this correction, I'll go to fix that ASAP. As for the dungeon count, I used to say four when I hadn't played the NDS games yet, so that indeed needs an update. Finally, in regards of the Spirit before Shadow run, you still need to travel to the past to gain the Lens of Truth in order to cross Haunted Wasteland, and by the moment you travel back to the future with it, Shadow Temple is the one remaining closer due to Kakariko Village being right east of Market. =)
I appreciate your interest on reading that unapproved trivia material. --K2L (Interrogatory) 12:05, 30 April 2011 (EDT)


I bet that shocked you :P Mandi Talk 03:00, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Just seeing the "You have new messages" freaked me. Don Lark's message aside, LONG has passed since the last time I got one). =) --K2L (Interrogatory) 23:03, 15 May 2011 (EDT)
Thanks for the sig swap =). --K2L (Interrogatory) 12:48, 23 May 2011 (EDT)


It's somewhat odd that I put this self-message here. But the thing is, I can't access to my own userpage. When I try to view it, it says some3thing like:

Warning: require_once(Auth/OpenID/Consumer.php) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/zeldaw/public_html/extensions/OpenID/SpecialOpenID.body.php on line 28

Fatal error: require_once() [function.require]: Failed opening required 'Auth/OpenID/Consumer.php' (include_path='/home/zeldaw/public_html/extensions/OggHandler/PEAR/File_Ogg:/home/zeldaw/public_html:/home/zeldaw/public_html/includes:/home/zeldaw/public_html/languages:.:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php') in /home/zeldaw/public_html/extensions/OpenID/SpecialOpenID.body.php on line 28

I have no idea what this means and, honestly, I'm getting tired of these glitches. The "new server" has something to do about this, right? --K2L (Interrogatory) 02:23, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

It's just a minor bug and glitch that popped, really. It's really getting annoying with me now. Pfff.. Plus, alot of updates have been added onto the whole entire site, so it's predictable and expectable, really, so no worries. I've seen alot of things like this, but it's really tedious and really, really annoying. Hylian Historic 4:04, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

Don't worry, K2L, I can't access my userpage either.Mandi Talk 00:13, May 31, 2011 (UTC)


I'm not exactly new here, so why did I get the welcome message again all of a sudden? Max 12 04:15, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

I thought you never received it =/. I hope you're not too upset. --K2L (Interrogatory) 14:58, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
Lol, it's alright then. I was just wondering.
Well, see you around then! --Max 12 21:38, 21 June 2011 (EDT)


I may have to add more images to articles i guess.--Brandondorf9999 19:54, 26 August 2011 (EDT)

All I'm suggesting to you is to use the preview button when editing pages. This way, you can save additional edits by detecting and fixing the mistakes before jumping into the save button. --K2L (Interrogatory) 20:15, 26 August 2011 (EDT)

I know its a dungeon

But as far as I remember, its the only dungeon it appears in. I listed it because I was going to complete the list later, or let someone else complete it, which is why I put a stub tag. Sometimes I feel like the only person geniunely adding things rather than removing information. I can't even remember it appearing in Majora's Mask, so I left that there too, but I really don't remember it in anywhere except the Shadow Temple, but I left dungeons there just for the benefit of the doubt. How about someone go check what dungeons it actually appeared in ASIDE from the Shadow Temple? I know it isn't many, if any. I've been busy with ALttP stuff, myself. Fizzle 13:54, 22 October 2011 (EDT)

I didn't want to "remove" information (that's actually against my practice), but to simply point out that, upon saying Dungeons, you're already emcompassing a type of place for these creatures. It too appears in a (mini)dungeon in MM, Beneath the Well, as well as (I think) Ganon's Tower. And hey, I'm here to help, so if you have any doubts, don't hesitate to ask! --K2L (Interrogatory) 14:04, 22 October 2011 (EDT)
OK, I have included both the Shadow Temple and the MM well. To be honest, I can't remember where else I saw this enemy (I'm still trying to memorize the Ganon's Tower layout to be sure). --K2L (Interrogatory) 15:47, 22 October 2011 (EDT)
I honestly couldn't remember them being in MM at all, which is why I left it as a stub. Thanks for filling that in. The problem with my memory of OoT is that I have my Master Quest memory mixed up with it, so they may of indeed appeared in Ganon's Tower, but maybe only in the MQ. I don't remember them anywhere other than the Shadow Temple from my recent 3DS playthrough though. Possibly the Gerudo Training Ground but I don't think so? Fizzle 09:46, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
I am positive that, in OOT, it only appears in the Shadow Temple. I looked for more dungeons through Google and I only find Shadow information.So I guess it only appears there and in the MM well (if you can't remember where, it's close to the Hot Spring Water pond, westernmost room). You will realize where when you see a Dexihand in the horizon. --K2L (Interrogatory) 12:54, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
Now I'm really curious about the MM one, since you said it behaves differently. I am going to look for it myself tomorrow if I have time, I can't remember it at all, sounds interesting. Also, did you check for sure that you can't defend against the fire in OoT? I vaguely remember being able to block it with a shield, should be easy for me to check that as well though, I assume it stays there even if you destroy it. Fizzle 20:07, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
The MM Fire Eye behaves differently because, rather than shooting a fireball from a distance towards you, it waits until you're really close to it. And rather than shooting the fireball, it releases a prolongued flame (as if it was a flamethrower of sorts). You can find it in the western area of the well where the Hot Spring Water is, you'll recognize the place because there is a Dexihand guarding that water.
For what I remember, the fireball from the OOT Fire Eye can be defended against (rise the guard, and the fire will ricochet). Of course, it will try to attack you from behind if you manage to get past it, but all you have to do if it homes towards you is to look behind. --K2L (Interrogatory) 23:34, 23 October 2011 (EDT)

RE: Multiple edits on the same page

(Post brought from User talk:Mighty Dekunut) Whoa, take it easy! You have edited the Skyward Sword page 13 consecutive times, and now the patrollers and admins have to check out each and every of them. It's their job to vigilate each edit to ensure they're of good quality, so when you edit over and over a page, you're making their job harder. When you next edit an article, please use the Preview button, so you can see the changes you're making before saving them. This time, you can make the necessary corrections and additions if the case is given, and then save the change in one go. Thanks in advance! --K2L (Interrogatory) 15:20, 3 January 2012 (EST)

I'm sorry, I didn't think of that. Honestly, the reason why I've been spreading the edits out is because the Zelda Timeline article is locked to new users (<200 edits) and having gotten Hyrule Historia, I wanted to contribute to that article. I have some good ideas on how to go about the official/fan theories split we have now.
Either way, I'll try and be more careful about the edits ;) Mighty Dekunut 15:34, 3 January 2012 (EST)
No problem! It's unfortunate that you can't edit the page, but you might understand that there are reasons for it to be semi-locked. Other new users are so picky about timeline speculation that they always want to edit that like there's no tomorrow. XD
Either way, I hope I see you around, keep with the good work! --K2L (Interrogatory) 15:56, 3 January 2012 (EST)
I totally understand. Having run Land of the Legend, I am only too aware of the force of Zelda-fandom :P
In a somewhat different matter, I added the ISBN number of Hyrule Historia in the info box, but it isn't showing up on the page. Do you know how to fix that? Mighty Dekunut 16:22, 3 January 2012 (EST)
In which field you try to insert the information? The infobox has name, image, caption, URL, language, owner, webmaster, released and status. Here's the source code of HLOL's infobox:
| image = [[File:Lotl.jpg|250px]]
| url =
| language = English, Dutch, German, Spanish, French, Portuguese, Italian, Finnish
| owner = Martijn Müller (Mighty Dekunut)
| webmaster = Martijn Müller (Mighty Dekunut),<br/> Tawny Ditmer (TwilightMidna), Baruch van Baalen (RecklessAbandon)
| released = September 2004
| status = Offline

--K2L (Interrogatory) 16:50, 3 January 2012 (EST)

Oh, silly me, you meant the infobox on the Hyrule Historia page! Talk about ambiguity! My apologies. Never mind, Dany36 is trying a solution by editing the Book template. Talk to her if you would like to know something about the situation. --K2L (Interrogatory) 17:12, 3 January 2012 (EST)

Just a note about those timeline placement sections

Right, not sure if you have noticed before, but there was an ongoing conflict in regards to the timeline placement sections. Mighty Dekunut was being rather... passionate about how he felt the sections should have been written and where they would be placed in the article. The conflict seems to be over now, but since I've noticed that you did some editing in some of those sections, I dunno maybe MD won't like some of those changes. Anyway I just wanted to give the heads up, since as far as I know, there's several people working on the timeline stuff on the wiki. The Goron Moron 14:04, 5 January 2012 (EST)

So far, the only changes I've made so far are putting ALTTP's timeline section back to a sub-section, and renaming "Defeat of the Hero" to "Downfall". Wasn't the latter how fans were referring to the third timeline as? I know it's being named in lots of ways, but we need to keep some consistency in the articles. For the record, I wasn't here when the whole conflict happened in those articles, I simply wanted to add some order and consistency for these pages. And hey, everybody is of course encouraged to continue working on the timeline stuff, and I know it's a very delicate subject (basically, it's the Zelda equivalent of talking about politics, religion, sports or environment in a polite conversation), all we ask is to edit with consistency in mind, which is something not everyone may be doing right now. --K2L (Interrogatory) 14:24, 5 January 2012 (EST)

RE: Grinding up, huh?

(Post brought from User talk:Mighty Dekunut) When you responded to The Goron Moron's question regarding your (very hasty) edits to the game articles and their timeline sections, you had started replying him "I'm doing some groundwork '(plus I need the edits for the Zelda Timeline article)'". Wait, so you were deliberately editing consecutively the articles in order to get the autoconfirmed rank and edit the Zelda Timeline page? That's a bad etiquette, you know. The Zelda Timeline article is not going anywhere, you can patiently edit other articles so you can legitimately reach the minumum of edits and then go for the semi-protected pages. So please keep this in mind, once again remember that patrollers have to check every edit to ensure they're of good quality, and deliberately rising the number of edits will make their job harder than necessary. --K2L (Interrogatory) 13:49, 5 January 2012 (EST)

The 'multiple edits' were the only 'artificial' (though still legitimate) edits. The edits to the timeline sections were an effort to create one format for this section across all the games. The whole discussion that stemmed from it, was not planned or anything.
All the edits I have made and pages I've created, now and in the past, to for instance the merchandise pages, or the minor clean-ups I make when I see them, have nothing to do with reaching the edits; it's just wiki-ing.
If you really feel my contributions are in vain, please explain to me why and I'll refrain from it. Mighty Dekunut 14:04, 5 January 2012 (EST)
OK, the first thing I want to ask to you is to stop bringing posts from yout talk page to mine. When I tell you something there, reply there. Conversely, if you drop a message here, I'll respond here, exactly like I'm doing now. If either of us drops a message on any other talk page, then the other user replies on that page. There's no need to make efforts to hook my attention. I always keep an eye for the Recent Changes, so you can rest assured that I will respond you just fine.
Back on topic, I was inevitable thinking about you wanting to force the accomplishment of the requirements because of the quote I had highlighted from your discussion to The Goron Moron. It's not something that came from myself, it was from something you actually said. And your edits aren't being in vain. Users like Daniela have done their best to keep the best of all users' edits onto the current version of the articles, which is what a wiki is for in the first place. As I told The Goron moron above, all we want is that everybody edits with consistency in mind, rather than zapping sections entirely instead of working upon them (which is a lot easier than going back from scratch). And again like I told TGM above, all I did in regards of the current Timeline stuff was to relocate a Timeline section onto a sub-section and going for a more commonplace name for the 2D-only timeline. I wasn't here when the whole show ran. --K2L (Interrogatory) 14:24, 5 January 2012 (EST)
My apologies; it was meant as a courtesy thing.
From my perspective; I'm excited about all this new timeline stuff, it's finally official, and I see I'm a few dozen edits away from putting together the pieces of the timeline puzzle, so I do my best to make legitimate valuable edits, so I can get all my ideas down on paper. Apart from the 'cheating' if you want to call it so with the spreading out edits over SS -though still good edits, every single edit I've made has been a good, or at least well-intended one.
So the only thing I wonder then, is what is the problem with my edits? Regardless of my motives, does it really matter if they are good edits that would have been made anyway? Mighty Dekunut 18:14, 5 January 2012 (EST)
The problem isn't the motives, really. It's how you have tried to do the changes. There was no need to zap the Timeline Placement sections of the games and then replace them with a completely different section. You could have worked upon the pre-existing section and expand it accordingly to the changes you felt would benefit the pages. That's what I had meant by "hasty editing". I know every user has a different way to contribute to the wiki, but a good rule of thumb is to always take what's already on the table and then make the changes, corrections and additions, rather than discarding it without a reason. So hey, no one's trying to stomp you, we know you're excited, and it's understandable since the very last thing we all expected was the reveal of the timeline. But give time to things, it's not the end of the world. Proceed with a smooth pace. --K2L (Interrogatory) 19:15, 5 January 2012 (EST)
Don't quite know what to say, but at least wanted to acknowledge I see your point now ;) Mighty Dekunut 15:15, 6 January 2012 (EST)

Permanently Missable Items

I think you were a little harsh in your edit summary, and you deleted several things you shouldn't have. Many people have different definitions of 100%, and some consider a missed small chest or destructible barrier to be an unacceptable blemish on a file, and feel they are forced to restart to get a perfect game.

Maybe your personal definition isn't as strict, but you must understand that the Zelda series does attract a lot of OCD-type completionists, so a lot of those entries you took out should be left in for their benefit.

For example, Minish Cap Library - the chest in question is frozen, and you have to leave it on your first visit. You have to remember to come back later to thaw it out, but if you leave it too long, you're permanently locked out of the area. It contains 200 Mysterious Shells I think, and people get very annoyed if they realise later on that they'd forgotten to go back and get it. So this sort of thing should definitely stay on the page. Avengah 12:43, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

See here, please. And I'd appreciate for next time that you didn't use this medium (my user talk) to hook my attention. I'm now a rogue user, meaning that I'm here only when I feel like I have nothing better to do on Internet and I can edit the wiki without catering the attention of other users, let alone the so-called "staff" (especially him). --K2L (Interrogatory) 14:45, 15 July 2012 (EDT)