Talk:Link's Crossbow Training

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Latest comment: 11 March 2013 by JORDAN DEBONO in topic Ambiguously Canon?!
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Stage vs. Level (and others!)

So... the game refers to the various levels as "stages", so I changed all the instances of "level" in the article to "stage". Also, shouldn't stage 9 be referred to as stage Final, considering that's what it's called in-game? I'll go with that in my stage-listing rewrite (which is almost done!). Ando 15:14, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Bonus Locations

I'm not entirely convinced that the locations for every orange rupee, scarecrow, etc. is within the realm of the Wiki. If anyone can convince me that it is, I'll reformat it into a neater table. If not, it should be gotten rid of. Thoughts? --Ando 14:08, 1 February 2008 (EST)

Agreed. I've moved the section in it's entirety to StrategyWiki, where it seems far more appropriate, and can be worked on and completed without bulking up this article. (Plus, I've added a link at SW back to our article, since theirs is basically empty :) Adam [ talk ] 06:58, 3 February 2008 (EST)
Thanks for the info! I converted the info to a table so it's a bit easier to digest. Also "upgraded" the interwiki link to a full box (we are partner wikis ^_^). -- Prod 17:03, 10 February 2008 (EST)
Excellent. Nice work. ;) --Ando 17:11, 10 February 2008 (EST)

American -> European Version Differences

Zelda writes based on the American versions (hence the solely American English spelling throughout the site), and there are discrepancies, apparently, between the American and European versions of Link's Crossbow Training. Well, at least one, anyway. If any more are found, they are to be listed here.

  1. Stage 5-3 is "The Shootout" in the American version (reference), but "Kakariko Shootout" in the European.

This list is to be used for reference if ever another European user makes a (good-faith; I'm not getting on to you or anything) region-based edit that doesn't flow with the American version. —Ando (talk) 15:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ah, but which version was released first? If the European version was released after the American one, the title for stage 5-3 would be a retcon. In which case, 'Kakariko Shootout' would be the canonical name. I once changed the title to 'Kakariko Shootout' without looking at the discussion page, or taking into account region differences, so sorry about that. Nevertheless, I think both titles should be mentioned in the article.
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The Shootout (Ranger) (known as 'Kakariko Shootout' in the European version)
A re-creation of Twilight Princess's Hidden Village's Bulbin hunt. Rob 64 00:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That setup totally works. I wouldn't really say that the European version is necessarily a retcon, though. There are bizarre localization changes everywhere: a game was known as "Yoshi's Universal Gravitation" in Japan and Europe before coming out in America, where it was renamed "Yoshi Topsy-Turvy"; however, this doesn't make it the "true, canon title"; merely the title for that specific region.
And technically, if you're claiming that "later title = canon", then the Japanese titles would be the correct ones. For instance, Stage 2-3 would be "Sand Worms". :P Unfortunately, I have no idea what Stage 5-3's name is in the Japanese version. It was the name of the village, no doubt, but it didn't say "Kakariko" - it said something else I'd never seen before, likely the word that was later translated to the "Hidden" village. —Ando (talk) 02:10, 22 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah, I know. Fair enough. It's okay if I add the UK title too, though, right? I'll put in it the way I demonstrated. Rob 64 14:51, 22 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah, totally. While the "canon" name (I use the term loosely here) for the Wiki should be the American version, differences in other versions should still be noted. —Ando (talk) 18:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agreed, though I've never understood that; I mean, the PAL versions are usually revised versions. I remember Metroid Prime notably had huge plotholes in the NTSC version, and even though part of the story was rewritten and fixed for the PAL release, encyclopaedias still use the American story which was retconned. I always wanted them to add the UK version's story too, but it would be sidelined for the US one. Can't apply that here though; we're only talking about a title for one section of a minor game, not a huge chunk of story. XD Rob 64 21:27, 22 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Timeline Placement

First of all, I'd jsut like to state that I know the game has no plot whatsoever. I'm just throwing theories around based on observation and logic. I'm putting forth the theory that this game does not take place during or after Twilight Princess, but before it. Long, long before it. There are a couple of reasons I think this.

  • Stalord is different. He does not have a sword embedded in his skull, nor does he appear to have had a sword there. He also has more horns, and is active on his own, as far as we know. Also, in the Arbiters grounds, I recall seeing pictures on the walls of a Link-ish looking person fighting the Stalord, suggesting a prior battle with a different Link.
  • The Kakariko Shootout takes place in the Hidden Village, only it is clearly called Kakariko Village, though so is TP's Kakariko, so this argument isn't as strong.
  • Places from TP are still intact that were not intact by the end of TP, such as the Great Bridge.
  • The Stronger Darknut in the Temple of Time. Things generally get weaker after they've been beaten before...

There's a couple other, minor things, but all more or less along the same reasoning. So basically, to sum up, I believe this is a prior Link, a good deal of time before TP, possibly an Adult OoT Link cleaning up after Ganondorf's exile. Again, just some speculative theorizing. Nook 23:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's called "Kakariko Shootout" because apparently the sign in the Hidden Village translates into "Old Kakariko", implying that it is the Kakariko of OoT. Steve 19:59, 20 August 2008 (EST)
Interesting theories. ^^ But yeah, Hidden Village is the Kakariko Village featured in Ocarina of Time. The developers wouldn't have thought of a timeline placement in such detail for a game that's just a bit of non-canon fun. In fact, I think they mentioned that Link was simply training with a crossbow after saving Hyrule in TP, but I can't remember where I read that, so ignore it. Anyhow, I think it's clear that TP Link and LCT Link are one and the same. I think the reason why Stallord doesn't have a sword lodged in his head is because it wouldn't be relevant outside of TP's story. It's the same reason why in TP, the Triforce is never called the 'Triforce'; the actual artifact isn't relevant in TP, but simply an excuse for certain abilities (to explain Link's unique Twilight transformation, Zelda's transferal ability, and Ganondorf's failed execution), whereas in OoT and TWW, the actual object is integral to the story. So, while I think you've got some good points, and it is well thought-through, it seems a little too complicated to be true. Mostly wild conjecture, but like I say, intriguing wild conjecture. ^^ Rob 64 00:46, 22 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I just thought i'd shove my opinion in here. I kind of feel that this game is Twilight Princess, just really obscured. Think of it this way, what are Zelda games? They're legends. What happens to Legends as they get past down? they gradually change. So, Link's Crossbow Training, imo, is Twilight Princess retold after thousands of years of it being past down as a legend, things in the legend began to change, Link has a crossbow instead of a sword, the Darknut got Gomess-like powers, Stallord gained extra horns, Midna, Zant, and Ganondorf were removed from the legend, etc. etc. BanaBana 00:17, 23 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is the redirect REALLY necessary?

Doesn't the crossbow deserve its own article? I mean, sure, Link's Crossbow Training IS more of a minigame fest than anything else, but the Crossbow IS a unique item in the series, with unique capabilities, from the normal fire mode to rapid-fire to explosive arrows. I know I haven't been around in, well, FOREVER, so maybe I don't remember how things work very well, but is there really any reason the crossbow itself DOESN'T deserve its own page? Reason I'm asking is, well, I'd LOVE to start one, but, y'know, I don't want to do something completely unnecessary or that's going to just be overturned three seconds later (looks back to when he categorized all the dungeons under the Places category way back when). Don't want to make THAT mistake again, do I? ^_^; Dinosaur bob 23:47, 9 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hmmm...that's a good point. I suppose if you wanted to make a page for it, you could. However, I'm not too sure on how to remove the redirects, so I can't be too helpful with that. Maybe someone else who notices this Talk page will do us the favor. Dany36 16:01, 10 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I hope you are still interested. It's simple to eliminate a redirect. Search for 'Crossbow'. Now just under the page title it will say (Redirected from Crossbow)<-Click that and you will go to the Redirect page, blank it and start your article ;) Axiomist (talk) 23:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Should we make separate pages for each set of 3 stages with info on the courses location of Scarecrow the scores needed for certain medals and so on and so on.--Ironknuckle1 16:50, 31 October 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I was looking at the article and thinking the same thing. The sections would be too awkward to place images in and it's inconsistent with Areas/Stages of other games as well. Axiomist (talk) 17:10, 17 December 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ambiguously Canon?!

I was wondering, should LCT really be considered as such. Unlike the CD-i or Manga which bring in ideas and facts which sometimes don't correspond with the main timeline, this has nothing which defies Hyrule's current history. It is an official game made and published by Nintendo on an official system, so really calling this Ambiguously Canon doesn't do the game just. Yes... Smash Bros. could also be put into this category, but then I think it's pretty damn obvious why it's non-canon. What d'you guys think?? JORDAN DEBONO 11:47, 9 February 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Indeed it is. I would have to entirely agree. Although, please try not to be so blunt. Your wording can unintentionally offend other editors, something which I myself have done before. Try to have a little more tact when posting messages, and also try not to cuss in messages, regardless of "how bad" the word you're using is.User:Justin ZW/sig 22:25, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Official or no, it's still a spin-off. The fact that it doesn't contradict anything in the other games doesn't necessarily mean it has an actual place among the rest of them (especially when you're talking about a game like LCT, it has no plot). I rather thought that was the point of the ambiguous canon label.
For what it's worth, LCT is not acknowledged in Hyrule Historia whatsoever. — Hylian King [*] 23:08, 9 February 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you guys for your answers. Just reading Hylian King's line already makes me rethink what I said. Hyrule Historia would've included it otherwise... And Justin, I really don't see how I could've possibly offended others. I asked a question, gave my views about it and literally asked you guys what you thought at the end. And while d*mn might not be the nicest of words, I was just trying to get my point across with it. Anyways, I don't want to start some online war or anything... JORDAN DEBONO 14:23, 3 March 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No worries, you clearly didn't mean any harm by it. I think Justin was just trying to get you to keep in mind that we're a family-friendly wiki, and that certain words should be avoided, that's all. :) — Hylian King [*] 14:37, 3 March 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok thanks Hylian King. Yes I understand this is a family-friendly wiki so I'll refrain from those words next time. JORDAN DEBONO 08:56, 11 March 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]