User talk:Ice Medallion@legacy41965084

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Multiple edits

Hello! I noticed you've been making a lot of edits to the same page over a short time. Doing this puts a large strain on our server and clogs up the recent changes. So instead of saving a lot, use the "show preview" button next to the "save page" button. It'll allow you to view your edit for any mistakes so you don't have to make a lot of fixing edits or additional ones! :) — Hylian King ^[*] 20:06, 30 December 2011 (EST)

Oh, sorry. I didn't know it caused such a strain. Thanks for warning me. I'll edit more efficiently from now on.--Osteoderm Jacket 20:10, 30 December 2011 (EST)

Don't worry about it, it's a very common mistake among new users. I was guilty of that one myself, once. In any case, I'd say you're off to a pretty good start. I hope we'll be seeing more from you in the future! — Hylian King ^[*] 20:21, 30 December 2011 (EST)

I agree you're work on the Tadtone article was outstanding, and for your first time here incredible. I was didnt even know how to link on my first edit haha. XXSuperXXNintendoXx 22:15, 30 December 2011 (EST)

Thank you very much! I don't really know what to say. I just saw a gap and decided to make an article.--Osteoderm Jacket 22:22, 30 December 2011 (EST)

OOT Bosses

Hello Osteo!

I saw your message on Dany page and I replied there, but I also copy-paste my reply here so you can see it more easily. It is not true, see the Sub-Boss page - "They may be optional." Itachou 18:32, 13 January 2012 (EST)

My Vaati Name Theory

But like I said, theres nothing wrong with putting a theory until it has been proven wrong. NOA hasn't given us a reason on how and why they gave Vaati his English name, people on this site are entitled to have a theory. I've seen Etymology theories all the time on this site and some of them still haven't been proven and yet their still there. The statement bellow that revision has nothing to do with my Etymology theory in any way, I never said that Vaati's name had anything to do with his Japanese name Gufuu, I said that Vaati's name could have come from the word "Batty" but said in a Japanese like-style of format that would be prounouced as "Vaati". In Japan, V and B sounds are often interchangable when translated into English as well as R and L sounds too like how Jap-Rinku would be translated to Eng-Link. Vaati's name could have been created from a Japanese style of format using a word that resembles his appearance, Vaati-Batty. Thats my theory, I don't see any reason for it to be removed until it has at least been proven by Nintendo of America. There are tons of theories on this site that are still there and have still yet to be proven, so why does mine have to be automatically removed? --Vaati The Wind Demon 23:51, 15 January 2012 (EST)

Individual people's theories are not a good candidate for inclusion in the main article. As far as I can tell, this is your own idea and isn't a commonly occurring one in the wider Zelda community. If I'm wrong, by all means tell me so and return the note to the page, but nothing you've said so far leads me to believe that it's anything other than yours. If it's your own idea and you want to express it on this wiki, put it on your user page. That's what I've done with mine. For that matter, if a localizer is creating a new name altogether rather than basing the name on one from the original language, why would they base their new name on the way some word in their language would be pronounced in the source language? Why not just make it a word in their own language?--Osteoderm Jacket 00:01, 16 January 2012 (EST)

I could put it on my own page, I can really do that? I thought your page was for describing yourself only.--Vaati The Wind Demon 00:03, 16 January 2012 (EST)

I see tons of people with theory sections on their pages, including admins. I don't think anyone minds. It's just counter to the spirit of a reference, which this is, to put information in an article that is neither a confirmed part of canon nor a sufficiently widely-held fan idea to be something someone interested in the Zelda community should know. (Of course, fan-created concepts must be clearly distinguished from canon if they're present in the articles, which we're generally good about doing.) Anyway, yeah, go right ahead and put it on your page if you like. It looks like you haven't created a user page yet, but it's not much work.--Osteoderm Jacket 00:14, 16 January 2012 (EST)

Ok, thank you for the information, that really means a lot to me. A lot of people over on Youtube keep on telling me that user pages on Wikis are just for posting information about yourself only, like inroductions, bios, interests, ETC, anything that pertains to you, but this changes everything, thanks for the information. --Vaati The Wind Demon 00:23, 16 January 2012 (EST)

I can't speak for other wikis (that are anything like this one, at least; I also edit TV Tropes Wiki and Wikipedia at times), so don't generalize this to them. This is just how it seems to work here.--Osteoderm Jacket 00:25, 16 January 2012 (EST)

Discussion

Hey, Osteoderm! Just wanted to let you know that I moved your discussion to the Milk Bar, since that's where those types of questions should go. Hyrule Castle is [supposed] to be for discussions pertaining to large projects around the wiki or about proposals to change the wiki's policies or something along those lines. It's ok though, we recently changed the purposes of our community pages so we're not expecting people to get used to them right away, but hey...we have to start somewhere! ;) See ya around! --Dany36 00:54, 14 February 2012 (EST)

Ah, sorry. I'll observe that from now on.--Osteoderm Jacket 00:57, 14 February 2012 (EST)

Japanese names

Hey,

I noticed you edited the Japanese names for LA/OOA/OOS dungeons. Would you mind telling me where you got them? For example, you renamed the Snake's Remains ヘビの死体 whereas on the overworld map, Snake's Remains shows up as ヘびの なきがら. — Hylian King ^[*] 16:07, 21 February 2012 (EST)

As for things like replacing なきがら with 死体, I was just converting the hiragana to kanji where applicable. I assumed that the in-game text was limited to hiragana, as is sometimes the case in earlier games. The Japanese instruction manuals (e.g. ALttP's at http://zs.ffshrine.org/link-to-the-past/japanese-instruction-manual-scans.php) consistently use kanji when applicable, so I think it's reasonable to assume that the "official" spelling (in media that can use kanji) of these dungeons uses kanji as well. The names of the dungeons and other entities on this wiki already use kanji in many places; they just don't use kanji consistently, in a manner suggesting that someone got partway through converting the in-game hiragana-only spelling to one that you'd find in media with full character sets available.

As for replacing ヘび with ヘビ, according to Wikipedia's article on the Japanese writing system, one situation in which katakana are preferred is in the common names of plants and animals. So "snake" ("hebi") would get its katakana spelling, which is ヘビ.

Obviously, the best way to settle this would be with scans of a Japanese strategy guide or other official source that names the dungeons with full character sets available.

If you believe that these are not fair assumptions to make, tell me why and I will undo every single edit myself. --Osteoderm Jacket 16:25, 21 February 2012 (EST)

BTW, I have found a Japanese online strategy guide for A Link to the Past and Link's Awakening, another game I applied this policy to, and it uses kanji in the spellings of dungeon names: http://zelda.cute.bz/sfc/dungeon/index.html for A Link to the Past and http://zelda.cute.bz/gbdx/dungeon/index.html for Link's Awakening. I have noticed a couple of cases where words have katakana spellings I don't use (e.g. "turtle", falling under the "common animal name" rule); I will fix these shortly.

I'll be back to attend to this more in a little while, but right now I have an errand. --Osteoderm Jacket 16:38, 21 February 2012 (EST)

I understand where you're coming from, but unless the kanji is used in any official documents, naming them any different than the way they are named in-game would be less than accurate. I'll ask Fizzle, I think he might have a copy of the Link's Awakening Shogakukan guide. — Hylian King ^[*] 17:14, 21 February 2012 (EST)

The Official LA website has the names of all the dungeons. They seem to go half-and-half with kanji and kana, sometimes it's just all kana.

If you're up for it, we could just list all the different (official) variations of the names: in-game, official website, and guide (if Fizzle can help us out and the guide happens to name them differently, too). — Hylian King ^[*] 17:51, 21 February 2012 (EST)

That site isn't displaying properly for me at the moment, so I can't really see the spellings, although do note that I've left kana in the LA names where appropriate. (I've fixed Turtle Rock, for instance.) If I can get the characters on that site to display correctly I'll check the names against that. Any advice? Normally Japanese characters display correctly in the browser I'm using (Firefox) but for some reason this and the Oracle game pages are giving me gibberish.

I'm not sure whether displaying multiple official variations of the names is a good idea. We may want to just pick one (where we have more than one available) and be consistent about which one, e.g. official website takes precedence over guide, which takes precedence over in-game text (at least for NES, SNES, and Game Boy games, which do tend to have restricted character sets, as I've pointed out). It's an interesting idea, at any rate. --Osteoderm Jacket 19:02, 21 February 2012 (EST)

OK, I figured out why it was displaying wrong and can now read it. Changing the names to fit, although I note that a number of my original changes were indeed warranted. I note that it calls Tail Cave "Tail no Hokora" (テールのほこら) rather than the "Tail no Horāna" (テールのほらあな) that we've been using. Would you happen to know what the source is for the Link's Awakening translation page? --Osteoderm Jacket 19:18, 21 February 2012 (EST)

Well that's good, because I was about to post a response telling you how. About what you said earlier, I'm not sure I like the idea of completely ignoring the way it's spelled in-game, even if it's only spelled that way for a reason, but it's not something I'm going to bother stressing, so moving on...

Everything on the LA translations page was taken from this Japanese fansite, so it's not very accurate. I had planned to update it but... well... that never happened. :P — Hylian King ^[*] 19:32, 21 February 2012 (EST)

Again, we would only diverge from the in-game spelling if the game had a restricted character set and another official source used a spelling that differed from it by using characters not in said restricted set. I'm not advocating using kanji if no official source backs it up. I mainly just think that if we're going to have only one spelling of the name on the wiki, it shouldn't be the one that isn't the way the name would normally appear but is an artifact of how the game works, just as we don't call Mario "MARIO" because the first game to feature his name didn't have lowercase letters. --Osteoderm Jacket 19:42, 21 February 2012 (EST)

Of course. Well, that site is the official Nintendo site for LA, so that's as good a source as any. Now if we could get all the names from the Oracle games...

By the way, nice usernav. Very cool. — Hylian King ^[*] 07:12, 22 February 2012 (EST)

Congrats on Autopatrol

Hey, congrats on the Autopatrol, you've gotten it because a lot of us agree that you're a good consistent editor, who rarely makes a mistake. It takes a lot of heart and time to deserve this, and I look forward to seeing your future endeavors! XXSuperXXNintendoXx 23:07, 25 February 2012 (EST)

Yeah, congrats man. This one was a no-brainer. — Hylian King ^[*] 07:24, 26 February 2012 (EST)

Eh heh heh...I know I'm being dumb here, but I don't actually know what "autopatrol" means. Does it mean I'm considered a patroller? Or that there's something different now about how my edits are patrolled? --Osteoderm Jacket 19:37, 6 March 2012 (EST)

Oh, derp, just looked it up. Never mind, I understand now. --Osteoderm Jacket 21:42, 6 March 2012 (EST)

:(

I just read your Hero of Time section of the Links through the ages, and now I'm sad. :( --Dany36 11:51, 6 March 2012 (EST)

Whoa whoa whoa...someone actually reads this crap?

Seriously, though, yeah, these are some thoughts I started having when I replayed OoT on the 3DS. That incarnation of Link has a seriously screwed-up life, even by the standards of fantasy heroes with dead parents. (Come to think of it, he, the war orphan, is one of the few Links whose parents we know anything about. Kind of morbid, no?) It also helped when I heard it confirmed that the Hero's Spirit is him. Anyway, um...sorry? Thanks? Whatever word's appropriate? I'm pleasantly surprised someone is actually interested in the logorrhea I fill that page with. Oh, well. As I've noted elsewhere on that page, I also think he ends up marrying Malon, so at least he finds some happiness in his life after the questing is done.

I'm likely to put up bits on some of the other Links in the future. I might do TWW/PH Link next. I'm not sure. --Osteoderm Jacket 18:56, 6 March 2012 (EST)

If it's crap, it's the most insightful and interesting crap I've ever seen. Seriously, have you considered writing a WikiExclusive? You definitely have some amazing material there. — Hylian King ^[*] 19:10, 6 March 2012 (EST)

Heh, I was bored and I figured why not. :P And that was the first one that caught my attention, but I didn't finish reading the whole page. Either way, you said that may explain why he's so fixed on finding Navi, which makes a lot of sense. Poor Link... Your theory of marrying Malon is logical, too. Screw OoT Zelda and all her dumb ways. >:( --Dany36 19:14, 6 March 2012 (EST)

By the way, I suggest that Link would marry Malon not because of any opinion I have on Zelda's personality, but because it simply makes more sense than any of the other possibilities. (Assuming he marries one of the female characters that he interacts significantly with, of course. He could easily marry someone we never see.) I go into more detail about why on my thought page, but: We know Link fathers children with someone, because the Link of Twilight Princess is supposed to be one of his descendants. Saria is an immortal perpetual child; Navi (for those who count her as a possibility) is, well, a fairy; Ruto never gets engaged to him in the first place (no Spiritual Stone quest) in the new timeline (keep in mind that when Zelda sends Link back to the past she rewrites events starting from before Link meets her); Link has no reason to ever meet Nabooru; and Zelda is a princess and can't just marry whoever she wants, and for various reasons Link's role in the whole thing (having come back from a horrible future to deliver a message) is probably a state secret and the crown would prefer not to call attention to this strange wild child in any way. (Also, the fact that Link has descendants, and they're regular Hylians, means he probably doesn't end up with one of the non-human options. This is fantasy, yes, but I kind of doubt a fairy or a fish is going to have fully human descendants.) --Osteoderm Jacket 20:01, 6 March 2012 (EST)

Oh, yeah, I had read all of that, which is what makes it logical. I hadn't really thought about all of that and all of your points make sense, so I fully support that theory. 8D --Dany36 12:14, 7 March 2012 (EST)

Make a WikiExclusive, Now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! XXSuperXXNintendoXx 19:23, 6 March 2012 (EST)

Erm, OK, maybe...I had no idea you all would find this so interesting. (huge blush) I might try it if I have time and can think of a better way to present this material. I've never written a WikiExclusive before on any wiki, let alone this one.

Should I do one for the Links as a group, or maybe do a series, with a separate article for each Link? I might be able to expand what I have on the other three Links I've written about, given some time. --Osteoderm Jacket 19:35, 6 March 2012 (EST)

Come to think of it, if I actually do this, should I convert the material on Ganon into a companion piece? At least the stuff about Ganon in the Adult Timeline? It's a bit more speculative and fanfictionish than the stuff about the Links (largely in that it relies on some guesses I've made about the nature of the Hyrulean Civil War), so I'm a bit hesitant. (Honestly, the stuff I've written about the civil war might be outdated and explicitly non-canonical at this point; I don't know what the Hyrule Historia says about it.) --Osteoderm Jacket 19:40, 6 March 2012 (EST)

Do what you feel is best. :D It usually has to be reviewed by the admins and bureaucrats before it goes live, but I don't think you'll have a problem with that. --Dany36 12:17, 7 March 2012 (EST)

Enemy variety occurrence tables

Yo, I was looking at your sandbox and those enemy variety occurrence tables look pretty useful. Why not put them on the enemy pages themselves? --Dany36 10:36, 24 July 2012 (EDT)

I haven't done so yet because for many kinds of enemy what is and isn't the same variety across multiple games isn't as clear-cut. Take Bubbles, for instance. It's debatable whether a number of the forms they take on across different games should be regarded as different varieties or different artistic interpretations of the same variety, and the fact that certain games call them Wisps or Anti-Fairies doesn't help. (Sample issues: Should we classify the red and blue Bubbles in the Second Quest of The Legend of Zelda as Red and Blue Bubbles, or as "Wisps" that are distinct from "normal" Bubbles, as they are treated in the Oracle Series? And do we treat the flashing Bubbles in the First Quest as the same as some later enemy, and if so, which one? Also, are Fire Bubbles to be regarded as the same as or different from Red Bubbles, which may or may not be treated as fiery depending on the game?) I'm not sure it's a good idea to put up a table like this on some of the articles where it would be applicable if others don't get one. --Osteoderm Jacket 21:18, 24 July 2012 (EDT)

Ah, right, that does make sense. Darn. :/ But you're right...it could create some inconsistency problems later on. Stupid Nintendo not being consistent with their enemy names. :P --Dany36 00:01, 25 July 2012 (EDT)

Patrol

Hey! The staff have decided to promote you to the position of Patroller because of your consistently good contributions to the wiki! Now that you're a patroller, you can review other people's edits and mark them as patrolled, or fix them if necessary. While you've already been doing this, you now have new tools to do the job. If you have any questions, you can read this guide or ask me (because I'm also a Patroller :P) or any of the other staff.
Additionally, the staff would like to invite you to the Zelda Wiki Public Chat and the Zelda Wiki Staff Chat. If you're interested, all you need to do is join the public chat and we can add you to the staff one afterwards. (You can otherwise contact us through Skype and join the Staff chat without being involved in the public one.) A lot of discussion between us staff members goes on through that, so you're more than welcome to come join. :D - Tony^{T S C} 08:41, 30 July 2012 (EDT)

A lot? I think you meant to say "most". Anyway, congrats on becoming patrol. We'd really like to talk to you actively, but if you prefer to work alone, that's fine too. I realize that we shoved this responsibility on you out of the blue, so if you'd prefer to go back to being autopatrol, just say so. Anyway, keep up the good work! — Abdullah ^{[T] [C] [S]}  09:31, 30 July 2012 (EDT)

Congrats, man!!!!!!!! --Norrvegr (talk | contribs) 09:42, 30 July 2012 (EDT)

Wheeeee! Congratulations, Osteoderm! :D As part of your initiation, you'll have to patrol one month's worth of edits all by yourself. Doesn't that sound FUN. Just kidding, we all share the load here, including admins. Welcome aboard the AWESOME TRAIN. B) --Dany36 12:50, 30 July 2012 (EDT)

Dany, you spelled his name wrong. Congrats, Osteoderm! XXSuperXXNintendoXx 13:06, 30 July 2012 (EDT)

Uh, wow. OK. I'll try this out for a bit. I may decide I want to go back to autopatrol, but I'll give it a shot. --Osteoderm Jacket 16:45, 30 July 2012 (EDT)

Hey, guys, I think I'd rather just go back to my old status. While I do come here a lot, I can't dependably be around here to patrol people's edits, and it's just something I'd really rather not be doing. I just want to contribute to the wiki as a regular user; I don't really want to be part of the staff. --Osteoderm Jacket 15:07, 15 August 2012 (EDT)

Whatever makes you feel comfortable. I'm just glad you'll still be around. If you ever change your mind, we'd be more than happy to give back the position. We appreciate what you've done for the place :) — Abdullah ^{[T] [C] [S]}  23:20, 15 August 2012 (EDT)

Hey

Happy Holidays, man. Good to see you're still hangin' around. :) — Hylian King ^[*] 11:47, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

I am. Sorry I haven't been around for a while. --Osteoderm Jacket 05:39, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Don't be. You have no obligation to the wiki. We do like having you around, though. Strong editors don't grow on trees. :P — Hylian King ^[*] 11:51, 29 December 2012 (UTC)